Russian Hack - Trump Faces Hostile Intelligence Community

According to Lisa Monaco, Obama’s counterterrorism and homeland security adviser, we have crossed into a new threshold. No kidding. Aside from the slightly clumsy metaphor - leave out “into” Lisa and we’ll still understand you - Monaco’s assessment is true in ways the administration she is part of might not like.

This is the problem. While Russian actors certainly were behind most of the hacks and leaks, what was their intent? To disrupt the electoral process and undermine confidence of voters in America in their own system? Or to place a specific "Siberian" candidate (that's a play on Manchurian if you have to know) in the White House? Or to punish another leading candidate as retribution for perceived interference in Russian elections back in 2011? As former ambassador to Moscow, Michael McFaul has suggested.

If it was to undermine confidence, then the latest scandal is proof that it worked. If, however, as the latest scandal proclaims, it was to help elect Trump, then they have clearly undermined their own cause by undercutting the President-Elect's credibility with at least part of the American public. And all this before he even gets into the Oval Office. Trump's relationship with the intel community was brittle before any of this. Mostly because a long list of former members of the intel community, and the diplomatic community, came out in vocal and hostile opposition to his candidacy months before the election even took place. And their central critique of Trump was one based on character. Many as well were and still are Hillary supporters.

In other words, it has been the intel community itself that has engaged in partisan politics in a way unseen in previous campaigns. Yes a threshold has been crossed, and it was crossed some time ago. As well with the White House now requesting a report, and a Senate hearing into the matter now likely, the Russian hack is finely balanced between accusations that Trump benefited on the one hand, and criticisms of both Obama's administration and Congress that they were too silent before the election and should have instead acted. Which would have drawn charges of partisan politics and of degrading voters' trust in the electoral system.

As well, even if the intent was to aid Trump, did it work? Did significant numbers of voters move to Trump in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, because of the leaked emails? To assume so, is to assume voters are easily malleable with respect to their beliefs and can be nudged in many directions by a well-publicized campaign. Whether by ads, or by leaked emails. Uh, no. What 2016 proved beyond a doubt is that spending lots of money on ads does in no way guarantee a win. Just ask Jeb Bush, as well as Hillary.

But we now have a handful of faithless electors using this latest scandal as an excuse to demand that electors change their votes on December 19th. In fact, Robert Reich is shouting that they have a duty to do so and that the electoral college was founded to keep people like Trump out of the White House, and people like Putin from interfering in the elections.

And we have former CIA head Michael Morell, no fan of Trump, wondering whether leaking by intelligence officials has damaged the entire electoral process. We indeed have a mess on our hands. And Morell, in an interview with The Cipher Brief, tap dances around his own politicization of intel personnel when he publicly came out for Hillary. Oh, of course that wasn't Morell the ex CIA chief. That was Mike, humble citizen of America. And you must be smart enough to see the difference. Right?

Trump will inherit and a politicized intelligence community, Morell's protestations aside. This is not a good precedent and how President Trump deals with it is an open and risky question. But the intel community has to bear a good share of the blame in this. Yes, Lisa. It's a whole new threshold that we've crossed.

Posted by Keeley at December 12, 2016 4:24 PM
Comments
Comment #411126

Interesting.
Listening to the media, and left-wing talking heads and sheep, you get the impression that the Russians hacked into voting machines and manipulated votes. That Trump worked with Putin to cheat and steal the election.

But in reality it was just a phishing scam targeting the DNC?

“The attacks came in the form of so-called “phishing” emails sent to nearly a dozen campaign and committee staffers in a renewed effort at penetrating their networks, said Dmitri Alperovitch, the co-founder and chief technology officer of CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity firm hired by the DNC to repel attacks on its network.”

“Alperovitch said he doesn’t know whether these hackers were associated with Russian intelligence; they used different methods and publicly available cybertools to pull it off”

Posted by: kctim at December 12, 2016 4:32 PM
Comment #411129

Here is an exhaustively linked article:

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/12/1610190/-How-Russia-could-have-hacked-our-election-and-installed-Trump-as-President

The links are from legitimate news organizations.

The Russians were behind the cyber attacks:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-signs-point-to-russia-being-behind-the-dnc-hack

A lot of highly suspicious things happened with the Michigan voting machines.

“Meanwhile, the mere fact that fifty-nine percent of the vote counting machines in Michigan’s biggest city all broke on the same day is standing out as a stunning development.”

There is also the highly suspicious fact that “Approximately 87,810 ballots in Michigan were fully filled out but had no selection for office of President. The majority of those ballots came from the same precincts where the 87 counting machines were broken in urban Detroit…”

There is certainly a strong possibility that Trump was not legitimately elected. Is it enough for the Electoral College to select Hillary Clinton instead of Trump? Part of the problem is that the burden of proof needs to be strong. There seems little question that the Russians influenced the election to put Trump into office and undermine confidence in the election process. They most likely will succeed. As I said of 11/9 on WB:

“Democracy failed, and failed badly,” and “perhaps the most interesting thing of all, and barely noticed, is that the Russians successfully influenced an American election.

Posted by: phx8 at December 12, 2016 5:38 PM
Comment #411131

LOL…drink deeply phx8.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 12, 2016 6:05 PM
Comment #411136

Ted Kennedy’s Soviet Gambit

“He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election.”

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html

Some readers on WB may not be aware of this. Quite interesting.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 12, 2016 7:56 PM
Comment #411137

Russia hacks U. S. we know Russia hacks U. S. but we act like we don’t know. U. S. hacks Russia, Russia knows U. S. hacks Russia but acts like they don’t know. China hacks U. S., same scenario, U. S. hacks China same scenario. Cyber attacks have been going on since the advent of the internet and we have phx8 linking known left wing news sources to prove his point, SMH.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at December 12, 2016 9:40 PM
Comment #411138

Can you please keep fake news off this website?

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 12, 2016 9:40 PM
Comment #411144

Yeah Royal, you need to stick with real news:
Like Trump is a Nazi.
Like Trump is a KGB mole and answers to Putin.
Like how Russia hacked our votes and installed Trump as President.
Like how an election ‘Stuxnet’ worm was used to change votes.
Like Trump will bring us WWIII.
Like white supremacy is sweeping across the nation.

Shame on you Royal.

Posted by: kctim at December 13, 2016 9:06 AM
Comment #411146

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
Donald Trump 7/27/16

“Nearly two months earlier, in April, the Democrats had noticed that something was wrong in their networks. Then, in early May, the DNC called in CrowdStrike, a security firm that specializes in countering advanced network threats. After deploying their tools on the DNC’s machines, and after about two hours of work, CrowdStrike found ‘two sophisticated adversaries’ on the Committee’s network. The two groups were well-known in the security industry as ‘APT 28’ and ‘APT 29.’ APT stands for Advanced Persistent Threat—usually jargon for spies. CrowdStrike linked both groups to ‘the Russian government’s powerful and highly capable intelligence services.’
Motherboard, July 25, 2016

“”The denunciation, made by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security, came as pressure was growing from within the administration and some lawmakers to publicly name Moscow and hold it accountable for actions apparently aimed at sowing discord around the election.

“The U.S. Intelligence Community is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations,’ said a joint statement from the two agencies. ’ … These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the U.S. election process.’ Washington Post, Oct. 7, 2016

On Meet the Press, on 12/12/16, Mike Pence stated “there is more and more evidence” that Russia was behind the hacks.

Quotes from NPR, 12/12/16. There are lots more.

But of course, our friendly resident white supremacists who like to read Bretibart, our Global Warming Deniers, and our partisans who put party and power over politics are so deep in denying this, they will not even bother to defend it.

Personally, I do not think anything will stop Trump from becoming president. He has already publicly stated he does not believe US intelligence organizations. He only takes one intelligence briefing a week because “like, because I am so smart.”

kctim,
Just out of curiosity, maybe you can explain this:
People using electronic voting machines were 7% more likely to vote from Trump. Why did that happen?

Why did a heavily Democratic voting district in Michigan have so many people vote for everyone except the presidential candidate?

Why did so many electronic voting machines in Michigan simultaneously fail on voting day?

You know, maybe it was all just bad luck. Maybe they were just old voting machines. Maybe the 7% number was just a wild coincidence. It could happen that way. It is possible.

Posted by: phx8 at December 13, 2016 9:41 AM
Comment #411148

Phx8,
“Why did…?” “Why did…?” and “Why did…?”
Those are questions that warrant answers, not partisan statements based on nothing but assumptions like ‘Russia hacking our election’ with election ‘Stuxnet worms.’
Right now, this is about nothing more than trying to delegitimize Trump with absurd claims of him being some kind of Russian Nazi puppet of Putin, when it should be focused on fixing actual problems.

Bad luck, old machines, wild coincidence or hacked, the bottom line is that states need to get their act together when it comes to protecting the integrity of their voting.

Posted by: kctim at December 13, 2016 10:37 AM
Comment #411149

Trump politicized it by accusing the intelligence community of being in the tank for Obama, and by flatly denying it and staking his credibility with his voters on that denial.

Here’s the thing. Trump has not done himself favors on this. 1) He had Paul Manafort as his campaign manager, a man who had to resign following reports that his name was in a book of people to be paid off by the Ukraine’s Putin-friendly party. 2) The platform for the GOP was adjusted as far as Crimea goes, going to a more appeasement-based policy of accepting Russian Control of Ukrainian Territory rather than maintaining sanctions and calling for withdrawal. 3)He retweeted information that came from Russian Propaganda sites. 4) A server of his reportedly got a lot of strange, difficult to justify traffic from a Russian Bank 5) He has vociferously obfuscated on who could be responsible for the hack, despite a strong consensus in the US intelligence community that the hack was by people known to be agents of the Russian Government. 6) Of all people to choose, he picks an opponent of Russian Sanctions as his Secretary of State. 7) His statements on NATO, raising questions about whether the US will hold up its end, can only benefit Russia, since we have NATO rolled right up to his border. If the Baltic States can’t count on our help, Putin could begin the process of reclaiming the Warsaw Pact territory, in terms of his hegemonic interests.

Funny how so much of what Trump is saying and doing benefits Russia, or deals with those who would benefit.

Trump’s habitual lack of transparency is making it very difficult for folks not to be suspicious, especially given reports that these hackers had GOP information but sat on it.

You know, this just shows how partisan and cynical the GOP has become. They scream their heads off about invading illegal aliens. They talk in populist language about America doing some sort of Brexit, about withdrawing from entangling alliances…

But when some Russian hackers come along, digitally raid the private information of their rival party, and distribute that information with varying degrees of reliability, when Russia pumps propaganda into our media THEY ARE DEAD SILENT. So much for our national sovereignty! All it seems the GOP wants is their preference on which international master their once-proud country comes to the beck and call of. Is it highest bidder? Who is Trump going to sell us out to next? It’d be useful to have known before he was elected what Trump’s business interests were around the world, but unfortunately it seems like Trump was the beneficiary of a profound drop in standards of the GOP’s vetting process.

I guess when you get desperate to regain the Presidency, you stop asking questions. Of course, there’s always a cost to such negligence, just as there’s always a cost to owing somebody like Putin your success. They’ve literally got new kinds of nuclear missiles aimed at our allies, and your guy wants to make nice with them. Eisenhower and Reagan are spinning in their graves.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at December 13, 2016 10:38 AM
Comment #411152
partisan statements based on nothing but assumptions like ‘Russia hacking our election’ with election ‘Stuxnet worms.’

Has anyone on Watchblog stated emphatically that Russia hacked the election with Stuxnet worms and installed Trump as President? If so, I must’ve missed it.

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 13, 2016 11:03 AM
Comment #411159

WP,
In an article I linked earlier, an author speculates that a version of a Stuxnet virus could change voting machines. There is no proof, but it would be very hard to detect. Personally, I doubt it, since hacking individual machines would be so labor intensive. There are a lot of questions about the electronic voting machines in one state in particular, Michigan.

The more likely scenario is outlined in an article just released by Politico:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/how-russia-wins-an-election-214524

Basically, it points out the Russians have done to us what they have already done to others in the West:

“The Kremlin’s canny operatives didn’t change votes; they won them, influencing voters to choose Russia’s preferred outcome by pushing stolen information at just the right time – through slanted, or outright false stories on social media. As we detail in our recent report, based on 30 months of closely watching Russia’s online influence operations and monitoring some 7,000 accounts, the Kremlin’s troll army swarmed the web to spread disinformation and undermine trust in the electoral system.”

Even then, something like this is not just a matter of social media or hacking voting machines in Michigan. There is no question Trump represents the preferred outcome for Russia. However, there are other influences that have to be acknowledged.

First, the influence of FBI Director Comey can not be overstressed. That is a case where numbers gathered from polls show he was the single biggest factor. But his thumb on the scales worked in part because the Russians were already pushing the narrative that something was going on with Hillary Clinton’s e-mails.

Second, the media- the MSM- played into the Russian narrative by stressing neutrality, rather than truthfulness. Accusations about the Clinton Foundation were given equal playing time with violations of the law by the Trump Foundation. The list goes on and on.

We now have people like Limbaugh calling the NYT and WaPo “fake news.” I only listened for a few minutes, but actually heard him encourage his followers to believe that.

Well, democracy failed, and failed badly, and everyone one us are going to be stuck with the consequences.

Posted by: phx8 at December 13, 2016 11:44 AM
Comment #411160

“How-Russia-could-have-hacked-our-election-and-installed-Trump-as-President”

If I was stating that they were doing it clearly and without doubt, I would not have said it was based on nothing but assumptions.

Posted by: kctim at December 13, 2016 12:16 PM
Comment #411161
Right now, this is about nothing more than trying to delegitimize Trump with absurd claims of him being some kind of Russian Nazi puppet of Putin, when it should be focused on fixing actual problems.

But… but…. but….. kctim, Trump is the problem. He has told us Americans that there was widespread voter fraud.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/05/trump-alleges-widespread-voter-fraud-this-voting-system-is-out-of-control/?utm_term=.b3dc520d2496

The American Intelligence has confirmed Russians have been cyberattacking the election process for months now. Trump denies this, and you tell us our intelligence community is trying to “delegitimize” him! Zeig Heil my friend.

Some day you guys are gonna have to return to facts not fear and fiction, don’t you think? You guys have fallen victim to Putin and his puppet. Yep our great American “patriots” have fallen victim to Russia and voted in an incompetent businessman to run the country…again.

I mean I know it’s not fascism if Trump does it but still… it quacks like a duck.


Posted by: j2t2 at December 13, 2016 12:27 PM
Comment #411164

Wasn’t it phx8 who, not long ago, was chiding the right for being all kinds of ignorant for believing in conspiracy theories about Hillbilly? Didn’t he go on and on about how Republicans are wasting time and money on baseless claims about Hillbilly’s server, foundation, ethics, competence, ect.

Now, what’s he doing? He’s calling Trump a traitor and a spy, a “Siberian Candidate”!

The only way I can explain this to myself is to come to the conclusion that phx8’s comments are racist. He hates old, white males. He is waging class warfare. He hates old, white males who are rich. He’s angry because the old, white male is president, not his preferred $ex organ. His comments portray a $exist attitude, as well!

Let’s see how many excuses he can dredge up now that the election didn’t go his way. He didn’t care about an unsecured server being used at the state department. He didn’t care about the media trying to influence the election in Hillbilly’s favor. His party wants to blame the FBI director for influencing the election. He wants to blame everything, except his party’s incompetence.

Whatever happened to accepting the results of the election, phx8? What happened to not wasting money on conspiracy theories? What happened to working together and reaching across the aisle? Is that all just hot air now that your vagina wasn’t elected? Are you being a racist and a $exist because Trump is a white male?


Posted by: Weary Willie at December 13, 2016 1:12 PM
Comment #411165

phx8,

In an article I linked earlier, an author speculates that a version of a Stuxnet virus could change voting machines. There is no proof, but it would be very hard to detect. Personally, I doubt it, since hacking individual machines would be so labor intensive. There are a lot of questions about the electronic voting machines in one state in particular, Michigan.

I am not going to wander down the rabbit hole into the world where unproven assumptions reign and absolute proof is necessary in order to dispute the conspiracy theory. Frank Vyan Walton does a decent job of identifying vital questions worth asking, but those are things to be answered by local election officials. They are not of relevance to us. There is little reason to doubt that more people voted for Trump than his opponents in MI, WI and PA. Trump won the election and he will be our next President.

The more likely scenario is outlined in an article just released by Politico
I believe the concerns regarding the integrity of the vote count in MI, WI and PA are a distraction from this larger and more legitimate issue. It is beyond clear that Russian actors were behind the hacks of Democratic Party emails. It is vital to the public interest to know whether the hacks were intended merely to sow the seeds of disruption and distrust OR were they purposely targeted in order to favor one of the two candidates over the other. It is going to require investigating the financial ties between the Trump administration and Putin’s kleptocracy. We cannot tolerate any conflicts of interest here. If government officials are compromised by Russian intelligence, we need to know.


Wearie Willie,

The only way I can explain this to myself is to come to the conclusion that phx8’s comments are racist

Did you forget your meds today?

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 13, 2016 1:54 PM
Comment #411168
Like Trump is a Nazi. Like Trump is a KGB mole and answers to Putin. Like how Russia hacked our votes and installed Trump as President. Like how an election ‘Stuxnet’ worm was used to change votes. Like Trump will bring us WWIII. Like white supremacy is sweeping across the nation.

Ohhhh… kctim…. you have exaggerated, just like those spreading the fake news stories do. Oh wait maybe I’m just misinformed can you link to these quotes?

Posted by: j2t2 at December 13, 2016 2:31 PM
Comment #411169

Warren Porter, why aren’t you asking that question of phx8? He has brought up the same scenario about conservative conspiracy theories constantly. He has been calling anyone who disagrees with Obama’s policies racist for almost a decade now. Where were your insults when phx8 was commenting in exactly the same way?

Exactly the same way I have demonstrated the hypocrisy he is demonstrating. Apparently sarcasm is lost on you. Do I really think phx8 is racist against white people? No. I don’t think phx8 believes conservatives are racist against a black president either, but that doesn’t stop him from flinging the insult around like a wet dog.

Instead of insults, Warren Porter, you should critique the message, not the messenger.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 13, 2016 3:25 PM
Comment #411171

Warren, Politifact rates the Kennedy story “Mostly False”.

Forbes rates the story “true”.

I will go with Forbes.

Does anyone remember Obama and his thugs attempting to influence the election in Israel?

“The Obama presidential election team has set up camp in Tel Aviv with the mission to defeat Netanyahu in our upcoming election.

The “Anyone but Bibi” mission is headed by Jeremy Bird, Obama’s National Field Director in his successful presidential campaigns.”

http://www.jpost.com/Blogs/The-View-from-Israel/Obamas-shocking-interference-into-Israels-election-process-389858

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 13, 2016 3:51 PM
Comment #411173

WW,

Phx8 labeled racist ideas racist. You labeled non-racist ideas racist. Do you understand the difference?

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 13, 2016 3:53 PM
Comment #411175

You are fabricating what went on for 8 years, Warren Porter. What does, “You’re against him because he’s black” mean to you?

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 13, 2016 4:00 PM
Comment #411176

RF,

Politifact rates the Kennedy story “Mostly False”.

Forbes rates the story “true”.

I will go with Forbes.

Do you understand the difference between primary and secondary sources?

P.S. Peter Robinson is the one saying “true”, not Forbes. We are talking about a weekly opinion column and not ordinary journalism.

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 13, 2016 4:12 PM
Comment #411177

phx8 wrote; “Personally, I do not think anything will stop Trump from becoming president.”

Finally, a prediction I believe.

He writes; “…(Russia) undermine(s) trust in the electoral system.”

I guess Jill Stein got the memo.


Posted by: Royal Flush at December 13, 2016 4:13 PM
Comment #411178

WW,

It depends on the context.

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 13, 2016 4:19 PM
Comment #411179

Summary of eRumor:

Ted Kennedy asked leaders of the Soviet Union to help the Democrats defeat President Reagan in the 1984 presidential election in a secret letter that he sent in 1983.

The Truth:

This eRumor is true.

Sen. Ted Kennedy wrote the letter to Soviet General Secretary Yuri Andropov in 1983. In the letter, Kennedy reportedly talked about his concerns with U.S.-Soviet relations, and about President Reagan’s plan to deploy middle range nuclear weapons to Western Europe.

https://www.truthorfiction.com/ted-kennedy-sent-a-secret-letter-to-the-soviets-in-1983/

Best comment found today from the Boston Herald.

“And why would the Russians even want to get rid of Hillary? They know what the Clintons are, and how cheaply they can be bought. They paid Bill a million bucks for two speeches in Moscow after Hillary signed off on giving them 20 percent of the U.S. uranium supply. Talk about getting an orchard for an apple.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 13, 2016 4:35 PM
Comment #411181

Why are you questioning me? Why are you insulting me? Doesn’t my comment depend on the context, also?

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 13, 2016 4:53 PM
Comment #411182

And now we have 19 electors demanding a review of the “facts”.

The whole purpose of the review is to give the electors an excuse to switch their votes and call that sanity and honesty and that old worn out word transparentcy.

Far too many people are not looking into reality.

This could have been the North Koreans, or China or many others. It could have been right here in the USA. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Maybe the intel at the highest level is not so, here is that word again, transparent. Clapper and Brennan are both persons who do not have the country at heart. They both have committed perjury before Congressional Hearings.

This whole Russian question is so rife with false narratives and messages. Why does WAPO and the Old Grey Lady have the key sources that are quoted repeatedly and then picked by the other puke papers and morbid media.

Gotta get something to eat and then prepare for the Blackhaws-Rangers hockey game and get my head cleaned out from all this sick mess that people have trouble understanding the truth.

Posted by: tom humes at December 13, 2016 4:59 PM
Comment #411184
Ted Kennedy asked leaders of the Soviet Union to help the Democrats defeat President Reagan in the 1984 presidential election in a secret letter that he sent in 1983.

The Truth:

This eRumor is true.

The point of this exercise isn’t to find a website that says “This is true”. That would be an argument from authority which is a fallacy. The point is to examine the primary sources that underlie the claims. The problem is there are none. I am not going to entertain fantastical stories based upon a piece of paper with no verified existence outside the right’s imagination.

Also, I advise you to abstain from Howie Carr. He is Boston’s local Rush Limbaugh imitator. The Herald lets him scribble a few words so they can sell more papers, but please do not mistake his op-eds for real journalism.

WW,

Doesn’t my comment depend on the context

Yes, and I was able to read the full context of it right here on Watchblog. You don’t understand why Phx8 called you a racist, so you assumed the characterization was baseless and returned in kind. The problem with your train of thought is that there was a rational basis for phx8 to suggest a racist motive for your behavior at various times over the years, but you still refuse to believe it.

TH,

This could have been the North Koreans, or China or many others. It could have been right here in the USA. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And I could be a brain in a vat living in a simulated universe. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Maybe the intel at the highest level is not so, here is that word again, transparent. Clapper and Brennan are both persons who do not have the country at heart. They both have committed perjury before Congressional Hearings.

So, you are going to suggest treachery on the part of our intelligence services before even considering the possibility that Trump might have gotten a favor from Fancy Bear?

Why does WAPO and the Old Grey Lady have the key sources that are quoted repeatedly and then picked by the other puke papers and morbid media.

Why did Mark Felt leak key details regarding Watergate to Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in various dark alleys instead of just appearing on TV to yell it out? I can think of hundreds of reasons the CIA and FBI are talking to the two national papers of record and not making official statements on the record.

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 13, 2016 7:08 PM
Comment #411185

Royal Flush-
You do realize that the story in question depends on a KGB report voluntarily released by the Russians. You’re getting interpreted data from them, not the contents of the actual message. So, not much of a departure from today’s typical SOP for the Right Wing Media.

Funny thing is, even if it’s true… that helps Trump how? By normalizing making deals with the Russians? If Trump had anything to do with the conspiracy that illegally stole private information from the DNC, then that’s a twenty-first century version of Watergate, right down to burglarizing the DNC. Only, in this case you have a foreign power involved.

So I can understand the hesitation of your intrepid investigators to look too closely at this. Millions of manhours, millions of dollars, millions of calls to lock Hillary up for RISKING national secrets inadvertantly… as opposed to a foreign power corrupting our sovereignty, committing illegal acts against American citizens and American parties… I can see why you guys wouldn’t take it seriously. Because it is serious. You guys see frivolous scandal material, frivolous charges, and you know just what to do. Real crimes, real corruption? No problem, business as usual!

Welcome to the new and improved Washington swamp!

As for racism? When you question a man’s education, citizenship, and personal intentions using tropes that largely trade on vile racist beliefs, or racial tensions concerning remedies to years of racial policies… It doesn’t really matter what your intentions or the beliefs in your heart are. You traded in racism. That you know better only makes it worse. It doesn’t take a bad heart to make a bad action, an unfair mind to make an unfair action. If we want to say we’re colorblind, our actions must be as colorblind as we suppose our minds are, or else it’s just a vain boast.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at December 13, 2016 7:13 PM
Comment #411186

The Lefites just don’t get it. Has anyone called for no investigations into possible Russian influence in our elections? NO!

Just as the Left cautioned about jumping to conclusions about the many investigations into HRC, we recommend the same here.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 13, 2016 7:40 PM
Comment #411187

Representative Devin Nunes of California, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, demanded in a letter Monday that Director of National Intelligence James Clapper provide a briefing and written assessment of Russian hacking by Dec. 16. Nunes cited “the reported conflicting assessments and the CIA’s reported revision of information previously conveyed to this committee.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 13, 2016 7:44 PM
Comment #411188

Hey MY Leftie Pals,

Great news.

According to U.S. News, Vice President Joe Biden is the early 2020 Democratic presidential frontrunner, a Tuesday poll from left-leaning Public Policy Polling found.

The Delaware Democrat garnered 31% support in the poll, which consisted of interviews with 400 Democratic primary voters between December 6 and 7. Bernie Sanders came in second and Elizabeth Warren came in third. I couldn’t find Hillary’s name.

OH, MY…same old tired faces and policies. But…the Left will hope for different election results.

http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/12/13/poll-joe-biden-is-the-early-2020-democratic-frontrunner/21627339/

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 13, 2016 8:01 PM
Comment #411196

Those faces and policies have won the popular vote 6 out of 7 Presidential elections in my lifetime. With those results, who could possibly complain?

You must be eager to watch America scratch its midterm itch in two years, right?

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 13, 2016 10:33 PM
Comment #411206

Test

Posted by: kctim at December 14, 2016 9:23 AM
Comment #411209

J2,

“The American Intelligence has confirmed Russians have been cyberattacking the election process for months now.”

Um, no.
The CIA has confirmed that they believe the Russians have been ‘phishing’ the DNC and that it was being done to help Trump.
The FBI has confirmed that they believe the Russians have been ‘phishing’ the DNC but they did not find a direct link to Trump.
Is the DNC a government agency?

“you tell us our intelligence community is trying to “delegitimize” him! Zeig Heil my friend.”

Um, no again.
IF you would follow the discussion, you would see that we were discussing the results of vote counts and that I believe the ‘Russia hacked the results’ and ‘election Stuxnet worm’ talking-points are nothing but a way to try and delegitimize Trump.

“Oh wait maybe I’m just misinformed can you link to these
quotes?”

Again, please follow the discussion.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/12/1610190/-How-Russia-could-have-hacked-our-election-and-installed-Trump-as-President

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/23/1529460/-Would-Donald-Trump-start-World-War-3-by-accident-or-on-purpose-Does-it-matter

I’m not going to say that you are misinformed, J2. But you are definitely blinded by partisanship and if you aren’t careful, you are either going to stroke out or become yet another Alex Jones of the far-left extremists.

Posted by: kctim at December 14, 2016 9:27 AM
Comment #411210

There is no proof of anything from metadata or language analysis of the hacked emails themselves because there is no chain of custody. If it is the consensus of the CIA that the Russians did this, and that their motive was to get Trump elected, then their information (or disinformation) is coming from someplace else. Even the CIA knows you can’t prove anything from anywhere in the digital domain without a clear chain of custody.

Posted by: George in SC at December 14, 2016 11:21 AM
Comment #411240
Is the DNC a government agency?

Is the DNC part of the election process? I say yes, but who cares you act like facts matter, they don’t, they haven’t for your team for years now. I believe the Russian have a puppet in Trump and have went all out to influence the election in favor of Trump.

It is kinda like Sharia law and the Obama administration kctim. All smoke, but like you guys tell us where there is smoke there is fire. Which was the same thing you guys said about Clinton without real honest proof. Which was the same thing you guys said about the Clinton Foundation without any proof. Using the level of proof you guys require Trump is in bed with the Russians and the Russians helped get him elected by screwing with votes and the voting process.

In fact the whole election process was the lie of the year.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/dec/13/2016-lie-year-readers-poll-results/

This after a successful 2015 from Trumps campaign of lies and deceit and…well… he is president.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 15, 2016 11:14 AM
Comment #411241

kctim-
It must be a massive coincidence that Russians launched phishing attacks- that is, attacks aimed specifically at stealing people’s usernames and passwords, and suddenly a whole bunch of private DNC data is flushed out onto the internet.

The truth of the matter is, Trump asked for help from the hackers. Asked people doing illegal activities to help him further his campaign. You have conceded that both the FBI and CIA believe the breach was done by the Russians. Other information tells us that the RNC was likely also hacked. But the RNC’s information wasn’t distributed. The CIA also believes Putin took a personal interest in this effort.

Yes, it does cast doubts on Trump’s legitimacy. But Trump helped that along by a number of questionable choices. If you didn’t want that to be a problem, you should have acknowledged warning signs that preceded it. Instead, you let your strong desire to have a Republican win and Hillary Clinton lose cloud your judgment. You didn’t cut Trump loose when you could have.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at December 15, 2016 11:52 AM
Comment #411242

J2,
I don’t like that foreign nations meddle in our election process either, but my main concern is that our governments classified information is protected.

http://fortune.com/2016/07/28/dnc-hack-russia/

If the DNC was hacked, it is due to its own negligence, not our governments. If the DNC is trying to hide information but that information gets out, the DNC needs better security.

One thing that I find funny though, is that for months you guys were saying that the Wiki leaks were nothing, that nothing was there. But now you are screaming they influenced our election?

As far as this “you guys” BS, when you find me stating that Obama is a muslim, Sharia law is coming, or something about the Clinton Foundation, I will happily discuss it. Until then, your claims are nothing but a weak attempt at deflecting.

Posted by: kctim at December 15, 2016 12:31 PM
Comment #411244

Stephen,
I don’t care about DNC or RNC data. It is their job to protect it and it is their members job to hold them accountable for not protecting it.

“I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican nominee said at a news conference in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

As Trump was running against Clinton, you naturally assume his statement was asking for illegal help, rather than a concern for the massive breach of security Mrs. Clinton was responsible for.

My judgement wasn’t clouded in the least, and I had absolutely no say in “cutting Trump lose.”

Posted by: kctim at December 15, 2016 1:00 PM
Comment #411247

Ha, Ha, Ha…j2t2’s link to the truth-o-meter indicates that out of a population of over 300 million people, merely 8500 agree with him.

It would appear from the comments coming from the Left regarding Russian hacking that Obama was once again blindsided, fooled, or just didn’t give a damn until Hillary lost.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 15, 2016 1:12 PM
Comment #411248

kctim-
That election can determine who is in charge of handling that information. What if Putin’s relationship to Trump is closer than what’s apparent now? Or even short of that, what if Putin decides to turn on Trump right when he’s about to have big confrontation with him?

Secrets are only one part of national security. Part of it is that any attempt by the Russians to influence our elections be entirely transparent, so people can just laugh it off. If they’re meddling with specific intent, secretly pushing a bunch of misinformation and selectively chosen leaks, they’re meddling with a purpose that might not be compatible with our interests or security.

Take off the partisan hat for once in your life. Look at this as an American who wants the election of his leader to be influenced by the sentiment of Americans who are getting their information from accountable sources. Who doesn’t want foreign powers looking at what Putin has done, and targeting our system for the same.

I want our system to have integrity, sovereignty over itself. I don’t care whether that benefits us or benefits your people.

The people who hacked the DNC and RNC were criminals directed by a foreign power. The starkest way to put this is that Republicans became the useful idiots of the Russians that they always said the liberals, leftists, progressives and Democrats were. They’ve lost whatever cultural advantage being the staunch opponents of the Russians allowed them to be.

Worse yet, if they’re doing both of our computer systems, that means that they have communications they could use to blackmail and subvert their beneficiaries. You should look at this no differently than you would any sort of intelligence operation. Putin and his people aren’t your friends, and there is a price to accepting his kind of help, overlooking his kind of intrusion.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at December 15, 2016 1:25 PM
Comment #411249

U.S. Consumer Prices Posted Fourth Straight Rise in November
U.S. inflation firming as Fed moves ahead with plan to ramp up rates.

The Fed on Wednesday approved the first interest rate hike in a year. In addition, the FOMC indicated a higher rate in its look ahead than projected back in September. The committee now expects three rate hikes in 2017, two or three in 2018 and three in 2019.

Just for grins, I would like to read comments from others on why they believe this is happening NOW, is it good news or bad news for working class consumers and Main Street businesses, and does it bode ill or well for the national economy?

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 15, 2016 1:25 PM
Comment #411250

How Clinton lost Michigan — and blew the election

“I think it’s true, they executed well. I think it’s true that the plan was accomplished,” said a former labor leader in the state. “But the plan was not the right plan.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michigan-hillary-clinton-trump-232547

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 15, 2016 1:52 PM
Comment #411251

Stephen,
I am not the one wearing the ‘partisan hat’ my friend.
There is absolutely no proof that Trump and Putin are best buds. And Putin is just waiting in the shadows to ‘turn on Trump?’ FFS man, get a grip.
Seriously, if I didn’t believe that Obama wasn’t a US citizen and was actually a secret muslim that was going to turn on America, then how in the heck can you claim that I am looking at this through partisan lenses?

I don’t disagree that foreign nations meddling in our affairs is a bad thing, I just don’t see those leaks having much to do with the election results. Especially after you guys spent months trying to convince people that the emails were inconsequential and mocked everyone who mentioned them.
Mrs. Clinton lost the election because she embraced identity politics, discounted average Americans, dismissed actual job concerns, openly threatened the 2nd Amendment, and was proven to be dishonest.
That is the information that influenced Americans to reject Clinton and the policies she supported.

“I want our system to have integrity, sovereignty over itself. I don’t care whether that benefits us or benefits your people.”

Then why are you so quick to fall for biased assumptions, partisan opinions and ‘what if…’ scenarios?

And if you actually believe that those who disagree with your partisan opinions some how view Putin as some new found friend, or want foreign nations meddling in our affairs, then you have no desire for honest discussion of the matter.

Posted by: kctim at December 15, 2016 2:40 PM
Comment #411252

RF,
The Trump administration is acting to promote the interests of Russia. We will push business interests so that companies like Exxon can make big deals with Russia, while at the same time removing the sanctions that have kept the Russians in a deep recession since their actions in Crimea and Ukraine. We will promote business interests, especially fossil fuels and oil, over issues such as national sovereignty.

Trump has said before that “NATO is obsolete” and he has suggested we would not honor NATO treaty obligations. This will be tremendously helpful to Russian aspirations for continued expansion. At the same time, as the Western democracies become militarily and economically fragmented by Brexit and Trump’s Russian agenda, international trade for areas outside fossil fuel will diminish. Corporations dependent on international trade will not do well, but fossil fuels and banks will do just fine.

Most of the stock market run is occurring in relatively limited sectors- oil, financials, and small cap stocks.

If Congress follows through on its threat to do away with Dodd-Frank restrictions, the financials will boom. And boom. And boom. Until they bust. The good news is that it should take some, probably years, before the chickens come home to roost. In addition, rising interest rates will also be beneficial to the financial sector. The big banks make more money when interest rates are higher.

If Congress carries through on its threat to lower taxes for the rich and for corporations, businesses will boom. And boom. And boom. Until the bust.

If the tax cuts are enacted the economy will receive a stimulus bigger than the one after the Great Recession. The growth rate will go from the current 3.2% GDP growth to 4% or 5% or maybe even higher. With a 4.6% unemployment rate and after 74 consecutive months of job creation in the private sector, we are already at full employment, so supply and demand in the labor force will cause rising wages. If millions of undocumented workers (who are already employed) are deported the rise in wages will happen even faster. Inflation will take off, cancelling out the wage increases, and the Federal Reserve will ratchet up rates. All this is contingent on Congress doing what they have said they will do.

This is terrific for very rich people. This is terrific for banks. This is terrific for oil companies.

As for everyone else… Pucker up, buttercup.

Posted by: phx8 at December 15, 2016 3:08 PM
Comment #411253

Of course, the federal deficit and national debt will explode because of the tax cuts. But Trump supporters never cared about that. Sadly, the high interest rates, big deficits, and ballooning national debt will require cuts. First, the Republicans will attack Social Security and Medicare. But what will really thrill the Russians is when we have no choice but to cut our military spending.

Posted by: phx8 at December 15, 2016 3:11 PM
Comment #411255

Thanks to phx8 for his response for my analysis request.

You may find this interesting: “Home builder confidence soared in December to a level last seen at the heights of the housing bubble as construction firms anticipated less red tape under the presidency of Donald Trump.

The National Association of Home Builders said its closely-watched sentiment index surged to a reading of 70, the highest since July 2005.”

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/home-builder-sentiment-soars-as-developers-bank-on-a-trump-bump-2016-12-15

I also anticipate higher wages…very good for middle class workers and main street business.

I will save my additional comments to allow others to comment.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 15, 2016 3:38 PM
Comment #411258

Consumer Confidence is also very high. The dollar is booming. That makes exports more and more expensive in other countries, and imports cheaper and cheaper here.

The Republican plan? In a nutshell, we are taking a strong economy and putting the pedal to the medal. It is a little like driving cross country at 70 mph and then deciding to go 150 mph.

Meanwhile, Trump keeps lying about his involvement with the Russians. That just makes things worse. He might be lying because that is just what he does, being narcissistic and all, but it makes him look complicit. It confirms everyone’s worse suspicions.

There is no doubt the Russians influenced the outcome of the election. It was in their own self-interest to do so. We WILL pay them back, no matter what Trump and Flynn and that Exxon CEO want. Watch. One of these days there will be a lamp post and some rope with Putin’s name on it, and Trump and Flynn and that Exxon CEO will not be able to save him.

It would have been in the GOP’s self-interest to put the country ahead of elections. Some did. Others, like McConnell, did not. Trump could have put himself on the side of the country and blamed the Russians for interfering, even if he benefited. Instead, in the face of the obvious truth, he lies. He is undermining himself, and he may take the rest of the country down with him.

Posted by: phx8 at December 15, 2016 4:16 PM
Comment #411259

Correction- that should read that Trump and some Republicans put party and power ahead of country.

Posted by: phx8 at December 15, 2016 4:17 PM
Comment #411261

phx8, I will repeat the quote from the Boston Herald;

““And why would the Russians even want to get rid of Hillary? They know what the Clintons are, and how cheaply they can be bought. They paid Bill a million bucks for two speeches in Moscow after Hillary signed off on giving them 20 percent of the U.S. uranium supply. Talk about getting an orchard for an apple.”

I hope the claims of Russian hacking are explored in depth.

When Trumps fingerprints are found, let us know.

Everything else about Trump stealing the election is smelly sour grapes.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 15, 2016 4:41 PM
Comment #411271

The Russians and especially Putin had it in for Hillary Clinton because of the sanctions after their moves in the Crimea and Ukraine. They held her responsible for the recession they have been in since then. They also blame her for protests after Putin’s election in 2011.

The quote “from the Boston Herald” originated in a fake story from “Clinton Cash,” which was then passed around in fake stories on Facebook. In addition, the Trump campaign pushed the falsehood, and by October 2016 it ran rife throughout fake news outlets.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

Don’t fall for that stuff.

Posted by: phx8 at December 15, 2016 6:14 PM
Comment #411277

Phx8,

Royal Flush has a recent infatuation with Howie Carr, Boston’s local Rush Limbaugh impersonator. The Herald realized they could sell a few ads from his snark if they gave him an opinion column, but please don’t mistake that garbage from the reporting done by actual journalists.

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 15, 2016 6:39 PM
Comment #411278

Take your own advice phx8.

From a link provided by snopes in the link you gave is this gem…

“As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 15, 2016 6:39 PM
Comment #411280

So sad for Warren. Taking solace by wiping your nose on phx8’s sleeve doesn’t make anything you write true.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 15, 2016 6:43 PM
Comment #411283

Blah, blah, blah. Do you have anything original to say Royal Flush?

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 15, 2016 6:54 PM
Comment #411284

Sure do Warren. I just posted it on the Republican column.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 15, 2016 6:57 PM
Comment #411285

So says the guy who can’t understand the difference between “could be” and “are”. Looks like you successfully fled from the scene of that crime against the English language.

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 15, 2016 7:00 PM
Comment #411287

AW…now I have made Warren cry again.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 15, 2016 7:02 PM
Comment #411290

Poor Royal Flush, caught red handed and without alibi he is reduced to demeaning other people instead of answering basic questions.

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 15, 2016 7:20 PM
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