Senate Democrats Go for Goebbels

Total War is essentially a German concept. In fact, make that a Nazi concept, as it was outlined in a notorious speech by Joseph Goebbles no less, in 1943, as the Nazi regime began to suffer setbacks on its various fronts in the later years of WW II. And in some ways direct action - the favorite plaything of violent radicals and anarchists like those that obstructed in various cities around America on Wednesday night, and smashed windows in Oakland - is also a beast born of fascism. The brownshirts and blackshirts in Germany and Italy, and the Hitler youth and their raw, brutal tactics inspired left-wing extremists decades later. And the latest generation of radicals are still at it, when things like free, fair, and open elections don’t go their way.

So one can be forgiven if one feels a little disgust at Senate Democrats for waving the phrase of "Total War" in the face of the newly elected administration. All in regards to the fate of Obamacare, and how they will wage Goebbels' concept of warfare against Republicans. Now, fortunately, this is the senate. With its own playbook, a rather dense and unique playbook with a set of incomprehensible rules and regulations that senators gleefully manipulate to obstruct each other and their ambitious schemes. And sometimes they even turn the rules against the opposing party. As in this case.

This is of course, all rhetoric. But it is rhetoric aimed across the bow of Trump's incoming administration. And it means that a full-scale repeal of Obamacare will be difficult to achieve. The way forward for the GOP is most likely a line by line focused squeezing of the vast and complex network of exchanges, mandates, and subsidies. By strangling the serpent enough to make it regurgitate some of the regulations, they can roll back much of the law. How much and which parts of it will be amenable to roll backs is undoubtedly being considered as we all ponder the future of the ACA.

That means that parts of the hated ACA will likely still be left standing - or breathing - while others will not survive. The hard truth is no one will be completely satisfied. It's healthcare policy, and expectations will have to be dampened, even if right now is not the best time to do so.

Posted by Keeley at November 10, 2016 5:51 PM
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Comment #409872

Money is key for anything material done by congress. The ACA took $716 Billion from Medicare as seed money. Cut off the money and the “serpent” dies.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 10, 2016 6:23 PM
Comment #409876

Three things:

1. “Total War” is a concept that predates Nazi Germany by a longshot.

2. Congressional Republicans fought a “Total War” against Obama’s legislative agenda during the 110th Congress

3. If the ACA (or portions thereof) remains on the books, is the Trump Administration obliged to enforce it?

Posted by: Warren Porter at November 10, 2016 7:18 PM
Comment #409878

Wow. You couldn’t have made it more obvious you were using propaganda if you slapped a geometrically complex art deco picture on with olympian leaders and virtuous beautiful peasants on it.

Goebbels was a master of propaganda himself, and he’s known for another concept: The Big Lie. The things repeated so often and so brazenly, that they’re taken to be truth, even when they’re damn lies.

That’s what you have here. You card-stack, too, failing to mention to your readers the unprecedented campaign of scorched earth filibustering and holds that the GOP engaged in, which often left the Obama administration with many important offices and federal court positions unfilled, and which destroyed 85% of the output from the Democratic house, back when we had it.

So, the real question here, the one you haven’t given the opportunity for us to discuss, is whether Senate Republicans deserve to have anymore functional a senate for their important, landmark legislation than the Democrats had.

And now you know why, over all these years, why I’ve been trying to reason with you folks about that campaign of obstruction, because there is little rational reason for the Democrats to let Republicans have their way, having been stymied in theirs.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 10, 2016 7:24 PM
Comment #409879

Royal Flush-
Ah, you forgot to mention that this money was mainly taken out of the bribes, oh sorry, subsidies that Republicans in 2003 wrote into the laws that went to the insurance companies for running Medicare Advantage programs. That, and similar overpayments for the Medicare Drug program.

While you’re at it, my friend in the rhetorical sense, please tell me whether your people are interested in repealing the parts that, say, pay for more prescription drugs, and keep their prices closer to proper market value?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 10, 2016 7:27 PM
Comment #409911

I can’t speak for “my people” as I don’t have any following.

I am in favor of changes that reduce prescription costs for citizens without further burdening the government budget.

Translation…no more free stuff to reward or punish anyone.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 11, 2016 2:40 PM
Comment #409922

I follow you, Royal Flush! I’m an Army Of One!

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 11, 2016 6:11 PM
Comment #409951
And the latest generation of radicals are still at it, when things like free, fair, and open elections don’t go their way.

Lets not get carried away Keeley free fair and open may be an exaggeration. The conservative legislatures in many states have passed voter suppression laws that are anything but free, fair or open. Conservatives have shut down polling places and made it difficult for minorities to vote in areas where their gerrymandering hadn’t done the job.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 12, 2016 3:27 PM
Comment #409966

So Keeley I have been thinking about your futile attempt to connect the kids protesting Trump to the Nazi’s of Germany. I would suggest you delve a bit more into the history of the Nazi’ before you try such nonsense.

Trying to make the statement “So one can be forgiven if one feels a little disgust at Senate Democrats for waving the phrase of “Total War” in the face of the newly elected administration”. When Hitler took power all other political parties were suppressed.

You say “All in regards to the fate of Obamacare, and how they will wage Goebbels’ concept of warfare against Republicans.” So I ask what do you think the repubs in the Senate have been doing the past 6 years?

But lets get back to the kids, How do we know those burning and looting are not police provocateurs? I find it hard to believe these kids described as overly sensitive by many conservatives here on WB are the types to loot and burn as they tend towards peaceful demonstrations.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 12, 2016 10:44 PM
Comment #409973

You talk about kids, j2t2?! Have you thrown any more 6 year old kids out into the street lately?

Your party is finished.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 13, 2016 8:15 AM
Comment #409996
You talk about kids, j2t2?! Have you thrown any more 6 year old kids out into the street lately?

Not since the party at Trumps house a few years back Weary, why?

Your party is finished.

Well Trump managed to intimidate the kids enough we don’t have to worry about that party anymore.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 13, 2016 12:35 PM
Comment #410044

How about this, guys on the right:
Congress is the Real Death Panel!

Got a ring to it, doesn’t it? And the best thing about it is, it’s true! You mess with the wrong provision, and that’s it for necessary medical care for many people. It’s a necessary rejoinder to the big lie of the Death Panel. Policy has consequences, and unfortunately, the GOP has decided that lives mean less than their political agenda.

Oh, and really, if you think you can blast us over the people who didn’t get to keep their doctor and everything, just how much hell do you think you can get for putting MILLIONS out of their health insurance, just to satisfy your stupid, ill-considered campaign promises!

I swear, this is what destroyed your people the first time. You forget that people rely on you. You take for granted the relatively invisible workings of our society, and don’t take seriously the consequences of messing with big things without due consideration.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 14, 2016 10:09 AM
Comment #410050

How ironic Keeley brings up Gobbels and then president elect Trump appoints Gobbels as his chief propagandist days later.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 14, 2016 11:14 AM
Comment #410057

I found this astonishing. Only four states have a Democrat governor and state legislature.

Oregon
California
Hawaii
Rhode Island

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 14, 2016 3:11 PM
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Royal Flush-
You love bragging about how powerful your party is. Give it a few years. Even gerrymandering can’t compete with population growth. Everybody has their ups and downs, and you should know better, within this last decade, how deep the downs can go, especially when you have a President that screws things up.

Can you tell me, for example, why Trump’s children or his son in law need security clearances?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 16, 2016 8:34 AM
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