Beauty Queen Machado's Past Really Doesn't Matter

It doesn’t matter that Alicia Machado may very well have been an accessory to murder in Venezuela in the late 90’s. Where she also apparently uttered death threats to a judge. Or that she was romantically linked to a Mexican narco. As she said to Anderson Cooper ” that was 20 years ago.” Get over it people.

But don't you dare call her fat. Which is what Donald Trump has insisted on doing. Rather unwisely. Because until the media decides to actually do some digging into the Venezuelan beauty queen's past, the main thing most people understand about Machado, is that Trump delights in attacking a woman's body shape. As recently as just a few days ago.

Why? Donald. Why?

Rosie O'Donnell. Google her. Autocomplete will helpfully tack on the word Trump before you're half-done typing her name into that little box. And of course this brings up Carly Fiorina and Trump's comments about her looks. And Fiorina's laser-focused response a year ago at the debates.

There's no need for Trump to drag this little scandal, or battle, back into the spotlight. But he stubbornly has. No one wins except Hillary. Machado will have her past investigated and will come under suspicion. But she will also be seen as a victim of boorish male behavior. And Trump will fill that role for much of the media, who are only too glad to sneer at an apparent example of his unseemly behavior towards women.

There are times to slug it out. This is. Not. One of them. Please.

The timing could not be worse for Trump's campaign. Until another event - either campaign-related, like another email hack - takes up the media's attention, he has blown up a silly comment he made into a national scandal. And right after the first debate, which was not a roaring success for him, if not a total defeat either.

So Machado is already a meme. A joke, and one that will be laid on Trump. Rather than served up by Trump for us to laugh at, or to admire his lack of political correctness. A quick one liner for Hillary at the next debate; the kind she'll bring up with a: I didn't even want to get into this, sigh, but you forced me to Donald.

There was absolutely no need for Trump to go after this distraction, regardless of whether Machado is indeed a rather unsavory character. But he has. Again.

Posted by Keeley at September 29, 2016 5:08 PM
Comments
Comment #407866

When did Trump bring this up? Hillbilly brought up this woman. This post is a joke.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 29, 2016 7:16 PM
Comment #407876

WW,

Trump brought the issue up without being prompted when he called into Fox & Friends Tuesday morning. This morning, he brought it up once again with another temper tantrum on twitter.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 30, 2016 9:41 AM
Comment #407877

Are you saying Trump got on Fox and Friends and, out of the blue like Clinton did, he starts a discussion with “I called Miss Universe a Miss Piggy.”? Is that what you’re trying to tell me?
Where’s this video. I want to see Trump volunteer this info.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 30, 2016 10:21 AM
Comment #407878

Doesn’t Tuesday come after Monday? Tuesday he was on Fox and Friends, Monday was the debate when Clinton brought this up.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 30, 2016 10:25 AM
Comment #407881

It just keeps getting worse for Trump. He can not help himself. This morning he sent out a tweet urging followers to “check out” the “s** tape” of Alicia Machado. The problem is that Snopes debunked that myth before Trump even sent his tweet. There is no such “s** tape.” And why would a presidential candidate urge followers to “check out” a “s** tape” in the first place?

While I was in Ireland, the only things I heard about American politics was that there was a debate and Hillary Clinton ‘won,’ whatever that means. Afterwards, group of Americans at breakfast were dissing Trump because he made excuses about a broken microphone. Funny how people will ignore issues and concentrate on something like that. Guess it is a sports thing. If there is one thing people disrespect it is not so much losing, but making excuses.

Posted by: phx8 at September 30, 2016 10:49 AM
Comment #407883
Are you saying Trump got on Fox and Friends and, out of the blue like Clinton did, he starts a discussion with “I called Miss Universe a Miss Piggy.”? Is that what you’re trying to tell me? Where’s this video. I want to see Trump volunteer this info.

The Fox & Friends conversation happened after the debate on Monday. While speaking about the previous night’s debate, Trump voluntarily decided to talk about Alicia Machado, doubling down on the allegations Clinton had raised the previous night.

He didn’t have to do that. If he hadn’t brought it up, the Machado “controversy” would have died within 24 hours. Instead, he revived it and as phx8 notes this morning, he revived it again this morning.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 30, 2016 12:26 PM
Comment #407891
Afterwards, group of Americans at breakfast were dissing Trump because he made excuses about a broken microphone. Funny how people will ignore issues and concentrate on something like that. Guess it is a sports thing. If there is one thing people disrespect it is not so much losing, but making excuses. Posted by: phx8 at September 30, 2016 10:49 AM

Just to get you up to speed, the current meme for Drumpf is “the truffle pig” because of all his sniffing at the debate. I prefer “rabid truffle dog”. The idiots that he sends out as spokespeople are the “flying monkeys” although I prefer “flying devil monkeys”.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 30, 2016 6:40 PM
Comment #407894

How old are you, oraoghaile? Are you still in Middle School?

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 30, 2016 7:08 PM
Comment #407896

Techniques that abusive rotten people use, and Drumpf used to attempt to control the debate:

Lying(34 times in the debate),
Denial(climate change),
Blame-shifting(not paying contractors),
Moving the Goal Posts(changing the topic),
Bait and Switch(tax returns, emails),
Projecting(accuses the other person of doing what he does),
Generalizing and Exaggerating(disaster, tremendous, everyone, always),
Yelling & Shouting Over(more than 30 times in debate),
Fear-Mongering(terrible, Mexicans, HRC),
and Body Shaming. (400 lb guy sitting on his bed.)
EXCUSE ME (he’s a self-important twit)

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 30, 2016 8:06 PM
Comment #407902

Did you go to school?

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 30, 2016 10:24 PM
Comment #407923

Just looked at my news feed and according to The Week, Hillary, during the primaries called Bernie supporters “Uninformed basement dwellers” along with her calling half of Trump supporters “Deplorable”. Yea Trump has a mouth but the MSM plays on his mouth and lets Hillary’s slide.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 1, 2016 11:28 AM
Comment #407926

KAP,

You are missing the point. It’s not that Trump calls people awful names, it is because his behavior is so predictable. The guy will not let any perceived slight rest. Foreign governments will have no trouble goading him to do their bidding should he become President.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 1, 2016 12:11 PM
Comment #407927

WP,
Exactly. As part of their opposition research, the Hillary Clinton team came up with a psychological operation to get under Trump’s skin. They knew that he would come unglued. It just took slow, steady, and escalating goading throughout the debate. At the end of the it culminated with Hillary bringing up Alicia Machado. This was intentional. It was psyops. Sure enough, Trump came unglued. At the debate he kept asking ‘where did you get this?’ Trump is a narcissist and he can not stand to lose control, and this blew him out of the water.

The incredible thing is that days later, Trump was still unglued, and he just kept making it worse with a series of bizarre tweets.

This is an example of why Trump is so utterly unfit to be president.

Posted by: phx8 at October 1, 2016 12:22 PM
Comment #407930

How old are you, oraoghaile? Are you still in Middle School?
Posted by: Weary Willie at September 30, 2016 7:08 PM

Weary…this comes to mind…GNOME one of a species of diminutive beings, usually described as shriveled little old men, that inhabit the interior of the earth.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 1, 2016 2:52 PM
Comment #407936

Warped, The point is Trump acts the fool and it is all over the MSM, Hillary on the other hand gets a pass if she says or does the same.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 1, 2016 3:41 PM
Comment #407941
Hillary on the other hand gets a pass if she says or does the same.

When was the last time Hillary Clinton woke up at 3am in order to post a tweetstorm insulting somebody?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 1, 2016 4:18 PM
Comment #407942

Warped, When was the last time Trump insulted someone in private? He insults people in front or behind their back, while Hillary chooses the behind their back approach as the leaked recording of her conversation about Bernie supporters. As I said Hillary gets a pass and a Republican says something off color and it gets treated like a national disaster. Try again Warped, Hillary is no saint.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 1, 2016 4:45 PM
Comment #407944

Warped, Just read something interesting Hillary said about Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky. Gennifer she called her “Trailer Trash” and Monica a “Narcissistic loony toon”. Although I don’t approve of what Bill did, Hillary’s remarks are just as evil and vile as Trump’s neither deserve the office of POTUS.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 1, 2016 6:06 PM
Comment #407946

Once again, the problem isn’t that one person insults another. Politics is a contact sport, after all. There’s a long history of name calling there. The issue that is of importance is how easily Trump can be baited into overreacting. The guy has zero self-control, which is exemplified by the fact that he broadcasts his insults publicly instead of doing the sensible thing of keeping his thoughts private.

Hillary is certainly no saint, but she is a thousand times better than Donald Trump. That said, I don’t plan to vote for either one of them next month.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 1, 2016 6:40 PM
Comment #407947
Hillary is certainly no saint, but she is a thousand times better than Donald Trump. That said, I don’t plan to vote for either one of them next month. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 1, 2016 6:40 PM

Because you’re voting for The Weed Party Candidate? I guess you heard that The Chicago Tribune actually endorsed the stoner.

From The Wisdom of Malcolm Tucker:

Why don’t you take your teacup full of spam and get out of my life?

I’ve got to get you lot to some waste ground, so I can stand over you while you dig your graves.

This could be the highlight of my career and I’ve taken a dump in the White House.

I’m stunned, what is this, you know what this is, Armageddon, Armageddon, sky’s getting dark, better get a brollie, because it’s going to start raining blood and frogs.

We’re on top of this like fifty puritans at a witch pressing.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 1, 2016 6:47 PM
Comment #407948

Sorry, but Clinton has a problem being transparent. Granted, she has disclosed decades of tax returns and Clinton foundation documents. However, her first reaction when asked a tough question by the press is to get very defensive. She makes no bones about exploiting “lawyer’s truth” in order to obscure a simple interpretation of what happened. These are not attributes I want in a President. Everything else aside, Gary Johnson and Bill Weld have expressed honesty and candor not found in any other party’s nominees.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 1, 2016 7:09 PM
Comment #407949

Warped, A thousand times better then Trump? IMO both are lower then Whale S**T. Like I’ve stated before if this is the best both major parties have to offer this country is in deep S**T.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 1, 2016 7:10 PM
Comment #407950
She makes no bones about exploiting “lawyer’s truth” in order to obscure a simple interpretation of what happened. These are not attributes I want in a President. Everything else aside, Gary Johnson and Bill Weld have expressed honesty and candor not found in any other party’s nominees. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 1, 2016 7:09 PM

Weld already wants out of the deal. He’s seen Johnson up close for long enough to notice what the rest of us have seen from the beginning. He’s not a serious candidate for anything. The only question is whether he hurts HRC45 or Drumpf. The Weed vote in the states that have the referendums are complicating things, especially Nevada. Ultimately, I think Johnson makes HRC look even better, since she’s running against three whack jobs, each one crazier than the next.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 1, 2016 9:06 PM
Comment #407952

A competent former governor who left his state better than he found it is no whack job. Full stop.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 1, 2016 9:18 PM
Comment #407954
Full stop. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 1, 2016 9:18 PM

Everything is full stop with you. Johnson is doing better than Drumpf in some demographics. Did you vote for him in 2012? If not why not? Did he become a better candidate? If Weld abandons him, will you still vote for him?

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 1, 2016 11:34 PM
Comment #407955

KAP,
You should know what HRC actually said about Sanders supporters:

“And they are living in their parents’ basement. They feel that they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves.”

She calls them “children of the Great Recession.”

Somehow, you bought into narrative that HRC was insulting them, rather than expressing sympathy. Someone misled you. They intentionally misled you. Would you please let us know how you came to be so terribly misinformed. Who lied to you? Was it talk radio?

Posted by: phx8 at October 2, 2016 12:25 AM
Comment #407956

In 2012, Weld wasn’t Johnson’s running mate.

If the Democratic Party had nominated a successful governor with executive experience without Clinton’s history of poor judgement, I would definitely be supporting him or her. But alas, they decided to nominate a woman too incompetent to protect our nation’s secrets and too corrupt to refuse piles of corporate money when out of office.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 1:20 AM
Comment #407961
But alas, they decided to nominate a woman… Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 1:20 AM
Thanks for finally admitting your true reason for voting against Hillary Rodham Clinton, 45th President of The United States. Posted by: oraoghaile at October 2, 2016 8:19 AM
Comment #407964

Abbiamo bisogno di aiuto di un medico per scoprire quale sia la ragione ED è. Il medico farà qualche test e ti dirà che cosa ha causato il problema. Avendo conosciuto che, è possibile ottenere un trattamento da un medico, o trovare una cura da soli.

Posted by: impotenza appresa at October 2, 2016 8:26 AM
Comment #407972

phx8, I know what she actually said, but IMO it’s what people get from what she said. Just like the Flowers “Trailer Trash” and Monica “Narcissistic Loony toon” comment. As I said phx8 neither Hillary or Trump are worthy of the office of POTUS.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 2, 2016 9:11 AM
Comment #407973
But alas, they decided to nominate a woman… Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 1:20 AM Thanks for finally admitting your true reason for voting against Hillary Rodham Clinton, 45th President of The United States.

Now, where did you get that idea?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 9:21 AM
Comment #407974
Now, where did you get that idea? Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 9:21 AM
I’ve long suspected that. You’ve proved it beyond any doubt.

So anyway, it looks like the Clintons pay more federal income tax in one year than Drumpf has in his entire life. I tried repeatedly to quote from the NYT article, but this site only works sometimes, Huffpo has an article about the Chicago Tribune’s stoned endorsement of Johnson.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 2, 2016 9:29 AM
Comment #407975
You’ve proved it beyond any doubt.

Sorry, but deleting half of my words is hardly “proof” of anything other than perhaps the possibility that you are a manipulative liar.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 9:44 AM
Comment #407976

Sorry..Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 9:44 AM

Thanks for your apology.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 2, 2016 10:08 AM
Comment #407977

I am not going to respond to something so sophomoric.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 10:10 AM
Comment #407978
I am not going to respond to something so sophomoric. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 10:10 AM

You just did. I guess you’re claiming not to be the same Warren Porter who responds to the idiotic posts of the two trolls all the time. If you don’t like sophomoric posts, then quit responding to them, thus giving weary and flushy the attention they crave, and causing more idiotic posts.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 2, 2016 10:28 AM
Comment #407979

MSNBC:
Bill Weld : “I’m not sure anybody’s more qualified than Hillary Clinton”

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 2, 2016 10:38 AM
Comment #407981

Weary Willie and Royal Flush never stoop to the level of deleting half the words I write to take my statements out of context like you have. I have conversed with these two men for many years on Watchblog and while we don’t see eye to eye on many issues, I always enjoy the opportunity to defend my positions and debate the issues. I take their comments seriously because they have never trolled me like you are today.

As for Bill Weld’s statement, of course HRC has the longest resume of all the candidates. That isn’t in dispute. But I vote for the best candidate, not the most qualified one. If I was just looking at qualifications, then I would’ve voted for John McCain 8 years ago.

but this site only works sometimes
Can you please stop complaining about the website? You sound like Donald Trump bitching about his defective microphone from Monday. Look, we all know the software running the site hasn’t been changed since 2003, but it isn’t hard to figure out how to work around its faults to communicate what we want to say. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 10:57 AM
Comment #407982
Can you please stop complaining about the website? You sound like Donald Trump bitching about his defective microphone from Monday. Look, we all know the software running the site hasn’t been changed since 2003, but it isn’t hard to figure out how to work around its faults to communicate what we want to say. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 10:57 AM

You seem to have no self-awareness at all. You are complaining about the website while asking me to stop complaining about it. I won’t care about the website until people can have an intelligent conversation without being interrupted by diversions created by trolls, which you are feeding. I stopped reading their posts when I realized that one, who I assumed was a small child many years ago, has never grown up, and the other one either can’t read, or can only respond by finding out what his opinion is supposed to be from the people who control his thoughts. I realize you enjoy being able to knock down their simplistic straw man arguments, but YOU lower the discourse by engaging with them instead of posting something worth reading. Just because they’ve been sitting on this website for years, treating as their playground, doesn’t mean they’re worth any response.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 2, 2016 11:18 AM
Comment #407984
You are complaining about the website

No, I am not. I acknowledge the website software is faulty and out-of-date, but I don’t complain about it or blame it for the level of discourse here.

instead of posting something worth reading.

If you don’t like what I write, you are free to write your own essays and articles to set a good example for others to follow.

In the mean time, I will continue to debunk criticisms of my writings without resorting to the name-calling that you so quickly engage in.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 11:55 AM
Comment #407986
If you don’t like what I write, you are free to write your own essays and articles to set a good example for others to follow. In the mean time, I will continue to debunk criticisms of my writings without resorting to the name-calling that you so quickly engage in. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 11:55 AM

I already did that, and, at your suggestion, ended up deleting about 20% of the posts, all one-liners from the trolls that added to nothing but the number of posts. When I stopped posting articles, I also noticed what happened, which confirmed my suspicions about how the articles in the three columns are generated, and revealed who was generating most of those articles.

Calling a troll a troll isn’t name-calling if the troll is a troll. That’s been a problem with the website for many years, but wasn’t as noticeable when more people were responding to the articles and ignoring them. Now, because there is no legitimate right wing presence, you need the trolls to have someone to respond.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 2, 2016 12:34 PM
Comment #407987

I wrote a post that Warren Porter complimented. I notice you are not among the commenters. We had a pleasant, yet short lived conversation. I don’t think it’s over at all. Feel free to contribute to it, oraoghaile.

http://www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/archives/009506.html

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 2, 2016 1:29 PM
Comment #407988
Calling a troll a troll isn’t name-calling if the troll is a troll

They aren’t trolls. They are well-meaning, but misguided people.

ended up deleting about 20% of the posts, all one-liners from the trolls that added to nothing but the number of posts.

Deleting comments is against site policy unless the comment is an advertisement or an ad hominen attack.

When I stopped posting articles, I also noticed what happened, which confirmed my suspicions about how the articles in the three columns are generated, and revealed who was generating most of those articles.

And what suspicion is that? I know some of the previous “writers” simply copied and pasted stuff posted elsewhere, but I have no clue who Keeley, AllardK, GregB or KeelanB are. The articles appear to be original and do not fit the writing style of any other commenters.

wasn’t as noticeable when more people were responding to the articles and ignoring them. Now, because there is no legitimate right wing presence, you need the trolls to have someone to respond.

You are correct that many conservative commenters fled along with C&J as they did not want to spend time here defending a lunatic. Likewise, I agree that in the past, I was able to prioritize responding to some comments over the others, whereas now there are fewer to choose from. However, simply ignoring the commenters supporting Trump isn’t going to achieve anything other than driving down traffic to the site even further.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 1:51 PM
Comment #407989
However, simply ignoring the commenters supporting Trump isn’t going to achieve anything other than driving down traffic to the site even further. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 1:51 PM

I’m definitely not ignoring the commenters supporting Drumpf, just the commenters who have indicated over the years that they’re not capable of participating in an intelligent discussion but still post endless ad hominem attacks and endlessly link to garbage websites that have no credibility. It’s not my fault that the GOP has nominated a person that some of the previous best authors here can’t and won’t defend.

Do you seriously believe that a person who comes upon this website and sees what the trolls write, and sees others responding to the trolls, would want to participate? I had a strategy when I was writing, which I explained to “Liz” to some extent. You have to use titles for the articles that will stick out on search engines, and contain current terminologies that will show up in searches. An article titled “This Page Intentionally Left Blank” isn’t going to do anything but make the site look stupid, and much of the content might persuade a casual clicker that the website is only intended for children.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 2, 2016 2:13 PM
Comment #407991

What do you use the pages marked is such a way for, oraoghaile?

I thought note taking could be a function suited to those types of pages. I mentioned that I intended to use the page to have everyone listening to just say their name/comment. It was an open discussion, if you will.

Again, I didn’t see any comments from you in that thread.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 2, 2016 2:33 PM
Comment #407997

“Can you please stop complaining about the website?”

Amen brother.

Hey Willie, have you noticed how desperately orao wants you and me to get into a fray with him? He name calls and denigrates and will usually find someone who will play his silly narcissistic game.

For this simplistic fellow it appears any attention at all is more desirable than being ignored.

We all know the type, insecure cave-dwellers.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 2, 2016 3:13 PM
Comment #407999
driving down traffic to the site even further. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 1:51 PM

You don’t seem to be aware that comments have been blocked on your most recent post in the blue column since last night. You don’t think that’s driving down traffic? There was a new poster in that thread, and he probably already gave up. That’s my main frustration, how poorly the site works.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 2, 2016 3:34 PM
Comment #408001

Comments are not blocked on my post. The forum software filters out spam comments if they contain particular key words such as $ex or cas!no. While I try to periodically check the spam filter for legitimate comments to clean out, I am a busy person who isn’t paid enough for the work I do here. Please bear with me if it takes a day or so for me to recover your comment. Otherwise, avoid using words that trigger the spam filter.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 3:59 PM
Comment #408003
We all know the type, insecure cave-dwellers.

It takes one to know one, given your track record here.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 4:00 PM
Comment #408005

OH, YEAH…Mr. Porter doesn’t live in a glass house.

Apparently his great intellect informs him that pedestrian language is just for plebes.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 2, 2016 4:05 PM
Comment #408007
The forum software filters out spam comments if they contain particular key words such as $ex or cas!no. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 3:59 PM

I wasn’t aware that caseno triggered the spam comment filter, and that was contained in the quoted NYT article. Don’t bother attempting to retrieve anything I post. I’ve always already moved on to the next thing.

I’m only posting so much because we’re having a rainy weekend here, and I don’t want to bother going to the festival of the week in Evanston, where they want you to pay to walk down Church St, just like they want you to pay to go to the beach, to keep the riff raff out.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 2, 2016 4:12 PM
Comment #408010
OH, YEAH…Mr. Porter doesn’t live in a glass house.

I’m not perfect, but I try not to use playground bully tactics. Maybe if you look hard enough, you might find an instance or two over the years where I lost my cool, but believe me, this is far less frequently and at far lesser magnitude than what you do.

Apparently his great intellect informs him that pedestrian language is just for plebes.
Look, I can tell you are trying to get under my skin by insinuating that I am being haughty. Please cut it out, you are making yourself look ridiculous. I’ve never claimed to be any smarter than anyone else here. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 4:17 PM
Comment #408011

Excellent! We have a convert! oraoghaile recognizes the dark side of high taxes!

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 2, 2016 4:18 PM
Comment #408013

Warren, I believe your thin skin will hamper you when you finally leave the womb and enter the real world.

I might add Warren, that you are a failure in reading my intentions or insinuations.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 2, 2016 4:23 PM
Comment #408014

“…they want you to pay to go to the beach, to keep the riff raff out.”
Posted by: oraoghaile at October 2, 2016 4:12 PM

Appears to be working.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 2, 2016 4:25 PM
Comment #408019

Ouch! Someone needs a safe space!

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 2, 2016 4:46 PM
Comment #408020

oraoghaile,

I wasn’t aware that caseno triggered the spam comment filter

This was a new discovery for me too.

Royal Flush,

you are a failure in reading my intentions or insinuations.
What a bummer. I guess I’ll have to try harder next time. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 4:48 PM
Comment #408051

It never occurs to you folks that this is precisely what Hillary Clinton wants you folks to do. You’ve gotten so deep into rationalizing your candidate’s hateful actions and behavior that you haven’t stopped to consider whether it’s worth it, whether it’s productive to do so.

And it isn’t. It only says, “He’s still a chauvinist pig. If you don’t stop him, look at all the other followers he might embolden!”

The Republicans are being contrarians on this and other matters concerning Trump’s bigotry at great cost to themselves.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 3, 2016 12:35 PM
Comment #408069

Mr. Daugherty simply doesn’t understand the vote for Trump over Clinton.

Personally…there are some things about Trump that I don’t like. He sometimes speaks before his brain is engaged. He is not very diplomatic in his language. He leans towards narcissism.

I can live with a president who has these failings.

Hillary Clinton lies…and lies about very important things critical to our national security.

Hillary Clinton doesn’t just lean toward narcissism, she could be the poster-girl.

Hillary Clinton believes that the “ends justify the means”. She will do anything, say anything, love anything that furthers her ambition regardless of the harm to citizens.

Hillary Clinton will appoint Supreme Court Justices who will further weaken the individual rights found in our Constitution.

Hillary Clinton will add another $10 Trillion or more to our national debt.

Hillary Clinton will use our military unwisely.

Hillary Clinton will allow hundreds of thousands more dangerous immigrants into our country at great risk to our citizens.

Hillary Clinton will leave our borders wide open to criminals and others who will not benefit our nation.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 3, 2016 5:01 PM
Comment #408077

Hillary proposed droning Jullian Assange as a soft target. When that didn’t fly she suggested a $10M effort to ‘get him’.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 3, 2016 7:50 PM
Comment #408079

Sigh.

Come on, Roy. Engage your brain. Just because you saw this on the internet does not mean it is true. A little common sense goes a long way.

RF,
You write: “Hillary Clinton will add another $10 Trillion or more to our national debt.” That is false. In fact, according to the CBO and others, the HRC economic plan would result in a net cost of $200 billion over ten years.
http://www.crfb.org/papers/adding-secretary-clintons-campaign-proposals-so-far

According to the Tax Foundation and others, the Trump plan would cost $10 trillion over 10 years.

“Donald Trump claims his tax plan is “revenue neutral,” but tax experts say that just isn’t so. Not by a long stretch.

Even assuming the tax cuts would promote economic growth, the pro-business Tax Foundation estimates the Trump plan would reduce revenues to the Treasury by more than $10 trillion over 10 years.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/is-trumps-tax-plan-revenue-neutral/

Posted by: phx8 at October 3, 2016 8:29 PM
Comment #408080

phx8,

Don’t forget the fact that Trump lies so much about his tax plan. I wonder why RF thinks its OK to support such a pathological liar.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 3, 2016 8:38 PM
Comment #408082

Warped, For the same reason phx8 supports a pathological liar, along with Ora, j2t2, and Stephen Daugherty.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 3, 2016 8:55 PM
Comment #408087

Hillary Clinton may have lied about the presence of classified information on her server, but that is nowhere near the magnitude of the lies told time after time by Donald Trump.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 3, 2016 9:17 PM
Comment #408088

Warped, She is an Attorney, lying is part of their job.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 3, 2016 9:19 PM
Comment #408093

Lying about your income taxes is not even on the same planet as making available sensitive classified information to the Soviet’s. Not even in the same universe, and so on - - -

This election is about voting in opposition to a candidate rather than voting for a candidate. 60 some percent say they are voting to oppose a candidate rather than voting for a candidate. Some 37 percent say they are voting for a candidate.

I am dumbstruck by Hillary voters - -

Posted by: roy ellis at October 3, 2016 10:02 PM
Comment #408095

KAP,
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/

By any objective measure, Hillary Clinton is a relatively honest politician- and fact checkers support my assertion. According to fact checkers, Donald Trump has told more lies than the other 21 presidential candidates combined. He lies on a level none of us have ever seen before.

Roy,
“Lying about your income taxes is not even on the same planet as making available sensitive classified information to the Soviet’s.”

What are you talking about? Who is lying about their income taxes? Also, are you suggesting Hillary Clinton “made available” classified information to the Russians? (The Soviet Union no longer exists). You’ve already made a ludicrous comment about how Hillary considered killing Julius Assange with a drone strike. What next?

Posted by: phx8 at October 3, 2016 10:24 PM
Comment #408096

phx8, She is an Attorney, lying is part of her job and she does it with a smile on her face.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 3, 2016 10:32 PM
Comment #408109

KAP,
So every attorney is a liar? Everyone who passed the bar? The judges, most of the politicians, everyone who has anything to do with the law is a lawyer?

Poor thing.

What is going on here is you have bought into so many lies and conspiracy theories, like Benghazi!!! and Global Warming Denial, that when disproven you are left with nothing but an anguished cry of ‘both sides do it’ in between heart rending sobs of ‘Hillary is a liar!’

Pucker up, buttercup. Take a good long look at how you got to believe in Benghazi conspiracy theory and Global Warming Denial.

I’ve heard conservatives resort to this tactic before. When everything they believed turned out to be horribly wrong, they are reduced to the ‘both sides do it,’ and Obama and Hillary are liars, and so on.

Time to make your next political development. The fact is, Obama and Hillary have been pretty good politicians, and they are generally good and honest people. That will undoubtedly come as a shock to you. Give it time. Give yourself a chance.

You already have the decency to realize Trump is a racist, bigot, misogynist, homophobe, and xenophobe. He is unquestionably the worst candidate any of us have seen in our lifetimes. Work with that and go from there.

Posted by: phx8 at October 4, 2016 10:28 AM
Comment #408113
Work with that and go from there. Posted by: phx8 at October 4, 2016 10:28

They’ll go wherever their masters tell them to go. It’s funny thought that Fux is letting Megan Kelly go after Drumpf, but she’s just a woman, so it doesn’t matter.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 4, 2016 11:14 AM
Comment #408117

phx8, You and the rest of your liberal buddies wouldn’t know a lie if it smacked you in the face. You have believed the Democrat lies for so long you don’t know what truth is. And yes the Republicans lie to so don’t get your panties in an uproar I’m an equal opportunity basher.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 4, 2016 12:27 PM
Comment #408125

Come on, phx8. Engage your brain.

Every presidential candidate proposes plans that will “save” money and score well. Hell dude, didn’t obamacare “score” well as it was promised to save us all money?

Obama added $10 Trillion in debt and Hillary will not be outdone by a “man”. She will spend money almost faster than it can be printed or borrowed.

Spend your saving now phx8 while our currency still buys a few things. The Left and RINOs love spending other people’s money to gain votes and prominence.

Does anyone honestly believe that either Trump or Hillary will not be a spendthrift? The slogan “Money is the Mother’s Milk of Politics” is still true. And spending public money is both Milk and Honey.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 4, 2016 2:08 PM
Comment #408126

KAP,

Both candidates have told lies, but it is absurd to ignore the vast difference in scale and magnitude between them. Clinton fibs about a trip to Bosnia 20 years ago while Trump lies about his role in popularizing the birther controversy. Clinton lies about being “broke” after leaving the White House while Trump lies about the money he got from his dad and his failures as a Real Estate developer. Clinton mistakenly forgot that drone program was considered classified, but Trump cannot seem to remember the support for the Iraq war that he expressed to Howard Stern in 2002. Trump is a liar and his lies are bigger and more numerous than any ever told by Clinton.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 4, 2016 2:15 PM
Comment #408128
Hell dude, didn’t obamacare “score” well as it was promised to save us all money?

Obamacare saved us $2.6 Trillion more than was estimated.

Obama added $10 Trillion in debt and Hillary will not be outdone by a “man”. She will spend money almost faster than it can be printed or borrowed.
Obama spent money to hasten the end of a recession. Hillary Clinton does not have to contend with a massive financial crisis so it would be unreasonable to assume she will spend as much money as Obama. In fact, since the end of the recession, the deficit has been slashed in dramatic fashion. I hope the trend would continue under the leadership of either Hillary Clinton or Gary Johnson. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 4, 2016 2:32 PM
Comment #408132

Many on both the Left and Right vote their “feelings” or vote to be politically correct.

I have all the proof I need, and not just “feelings” to determine that Mrs. Clinton would be a terrible choice for president and CIC.

She is untrustworthy with our nation’s most sensitive documents.

She sold us out while SoS.

She is a self-admitted big spender.

She loaths our military.

She is for open borders.

She is anti-business.

She defends and promotes immorality.

She does not defend our Constitutional Rights.

Some may ask for the proof I speak of. Just check my past comments.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 4, 2016 2:40 PM
Comment #408133

Warped, Only in your liberal eyes Trump’s lies are bigger and more numerous. Did his lies put our country at risk? Did his lies contain classified material? Did his lies put a child rapist back on the street? Did his lies kill 4 Americans at Benghazi? If not then I don’t want to read your defence of Hildabeast.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 4, 2016 2:49 PM
Comment #408134

From the link provided by Warren regarding Obamacare savings is the following…

“Health care spending likely slowed further than expected between 2010 and 2014 because of the sluggish economic recovery as well as the patent cliff, which helped keep prescription drug spending in check as generics replaced expensive brand-name drugs. A shift to high deductible health insurance plans and greater cost sharing has also helped keep health care spending lower.”

I am not inclined to spend any time doing research to prove what is obvious to the thinking population.

Health care costs for those not qualifying for subsidies have risen dramatically. Many insureds with high deductible plans are being forced to pay from their own pocket what was once paid for by their insurance plan.

“Cost sharing” is double-talk for more money from the individual taxpayer pocket.

When a taxpayer pays more and the government pays less the Left heralds this as a “savings”.

It’s the same insanity that allows the Left to believe we don’t have a national “spending” problem; but rather, a “revenue” problem. Their dupes actually believe that by soaking the rich we can eliminate our budget deficit and $20 Trillion national debt.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 4, 2016 2:52 PM
Comment #408136

phx8 touts the CBO as the gold standard for predicting how policy will impact our economy. He writes; ” In fact, according to the CBO and others, the HRC economic plan would result in a net cost of $200 billion over ten years.”

Here is a fact, not a “best guess” phx8…There have been seven Nobel Prizes awarded to scholars whose work cast serious doubt on Keynesian economics. How many Nobel Prizes have been awarded to an economist who has advanced the Keynesian agenda?

CBO uses Keynesian economics and must use “flawed” assumptions Congress gives them. “Junk in, Junk out”


Posted by: Royal Flush at October 4, 2016 3:20 PM
Comment #408137

One more very important reason to not vote for Mrs. Clinton. The Dem Party, Clinton and even Kaine are all supporting repeal of the “Hyde Amendment”.

According to many studies, the Hyde Amendment has saved more than two million children from death in the womb.


Posted by: Royal Flush at October 4, 2016 3:36 PM
Comment #408138
I am not inclined to spend any time doing research to prove what is obvious to the thinking population.
Why bother with facts when you can argue on the basis of feelings instead?

KAP,
Two things:

Firstly, Trump has never been in a position of responsibility before. This is the only reason his lies haven’t caused damage yet. This argumentum ad ignorantiam doesn’t really hold water.

Secondly, you blame so many bad things on “Hillary’s Lies”. Perhaps I should remind you:
1. If Hillary Clinton told the truth about her email server when it was first publicized, it would not have prevented hostile actors from accessing classified information.
2. It is the job of a defense attorney to defend her client. It would have been an unethical breach of client-attorney prvilige for her to tell the Courts that she personally believed Thomas Alfred Taylor was guilty of raping that girl.
3. If the CIA talking points didn’t contain erroneous information, it would not have mattered as Ambassador Stevens and the Navy SEALs were already dead.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 4, 2016 3:36 PM
Comment #408140

Warren believe…”Obvious” = “Feelings”

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 4, 2016 3:48 PM
Comment #408141

OBVIOUS = Actual Biological gender

FEELINGS = Biological gender opinion

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 4, 2016 3:53 PM
Comment #408142

Warped, That’s right Trump’s lies haven’t caused any damage, but Hillary’s have. Both candidates have lied but trying to say one’s lies are bigger then the others is pure ignorance. The bad thing about Benghazi and the aftermath is the lie that Hillary told the parents of the dead that it was because of a video the woman is nothing but a lying B***H and only wants the title POTUS for her own gratification, I don’t like Trump and don’t believe he should be POTUS but Hillary belongs in PRISON not the W. H.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 4, 2016 3:54 PM
Comment #408144

Agree KAP. 65% are voting against a candidate and 37% are voting for a candidate.

What is this? Is the Clinton political machine starting to come appart? Kerry says he proposed a more forceful plan for Syria but was ‘overruled’. And, Bill is saying something like ‘this Obamacare is a crazy system’.

Is Hil trying to ‘create jobs’ and maybe pivot to a batter health plan? Can she do that and support Obama’s legacy at the same time? Will she loose the minority vote? Be careful, Hillary.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 4, 2016 4:22 PM
Comment #408146

RF,

Here’s a lesson on thought vs. feeling. Consider the Müller-Lyer illusion. The obvious conclusion is to believe the top line is longer than the bottom one. After all, this is how everyone’s brain feels when one first looks at the image. However, this feeling is wrong and taking the time to study the image carefully reveals the lines are of the same length.

Illusions like this demonstrate that our brains rely on simple heuristics rather than upon sound logic. Sometimes, these feelings lead us to the correct answer anyway, but for a significant proportion of the questions we ask these shortcuts lead us to the wrong conclusions. I admit that it isn’t easy to be objective all the time and I’ve certainly had episodes where I failed to logically examine an issue. This is why I enjoy participating here at Watchblog. Having my writing critiqued keeps my ideas and logic robust.

KAP,
How can you be so confident Trump’s propensity to lie won’t cause damage once he is in power?

Hillary Clinton lied about having classified information on her server and that was wrong. But there is no evidence that she ever did anything other than repeat CIA talking points in the days after the Benghazi attack.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 4, 2016 4:36 PM
Comment #408148

Thanks for the “lesson” Warren as I too found such illusions interesting when introduced to them back in the 60’s.

There can be no “illusion” as to what is a person’s biological gender is; just as there is no illusion as to the defects I have cited in Hillary’s fitness for the job of President and Commander-in-chief.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 4, 2016 4:48 PM
Comment #408149

Warped, What if, What if, There is a big difference in What if and We know if a person lied while in office. Hillary is for Hillary and she will do anything to obtain her goal. Warped, She told her daughter and the Egyptian President that it was a terror attack that night or morning, quit with the BULLS**T she lied to the parent of one of the fallen that it was a video WHILE S. o. S.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 4, 2016 5:07 PM
Comment #408154

RF,

You may have seen illusions before, but you obviously have not learned the lesson they contain. It’s too bad to see your intellect wasted like this. Instead of reaching for obvious conclusions, take the time to think about things concretely. Follow the scientific method, create a hypothesis, test it and refine it in light of available data. It will make you into a better man.

What if, What if, There is a big difference
My grandmother grew up in New London, Connecticut. She liked to tell us about the horrors she survived during the Hurricane of ‘38. Of course, people saw the large storm as it developed off the coast of Florida. However, meteorologists at the time discarded ample evidence that the hurricane would strike New England. After all, no hurricane had ever been recorded making landfall there despite many decades of observations. So, all the papers published weather forecasts of a clear day because nobody could imagine a hurricane making landfall that far north. We all know the rest of the story. Numerous lives lost and a great deal of property destroyed because no one took the proper precautions to prepare for the storm.

Both of us can foresee what a disaster a Trump Presidency would be. Don’t make excuses for it by fallaciously claiming that a lack of damage in the past guarantees a lack of damage in the future.

She told her daughter and the Egyptian President that it was a terror attack that night or morning
She told those people her private unverified opinion and she told the public what the CIA claimed was verified fact. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 4, 2016 5:45 PM
Comment #408155

I believe that Mr. Porter might have a great future if he can get beyond the belief system of his liberal/socialist world.

Scratch any Liberal tenured professor and you will find denial of what has been aptly written;

“What has always made the state a hell on earth has been precisely that man has tried to make it his heaven.”

As Don Quixote said; “Liberty, Sancho, my friend, is one of the most precious gifts that Heaven has bestowed on mankind.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 4, 2016 5:59 PM
Comment #408158

Saw something interesting at lunch today. It was CNN. There was a live shot, and behind one of the talking heads a Trump supporter held up a picture of Pepe. The cartoon frog has morphed into the symbol of the Alt Right/Neo-Nazis/Trump. The Anti-Defamation league has banned it, because while this particular Pepe was just a drawing, Pepe sometimes appears dressed in Nazi regalia while sporting swastikas. It was in the background on CNN. The cameraman recognized it and quickly cut away.

When this election ends, will Pepe go away? Will the forces of the Alt Right and Neo-Nazis and Trump fade into the woodwork? It looks like 40% of Americans will vote for an overtly racist, bigoted, misogynistic xenophobe. But will American fascism go down quietly? Is it possible to put that dark genie back in its bottle?

Posted by: phx8 at October 4, 2016 7:20 PM
Comment #408159

Warped, The same was said about Reagan, he would be a disaster.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 4, 2016 8:01 PM
Comment #408160

Warped, Most people, except for WB liberals, knew it was a terror attack and knew the CIA was saying what Obama wanted them to say. Obama and company didn’t want to be blamed for dumb decisions. Obama and Hillary both knew it was a terror attack from the get go.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 4, 2016 8:08 PM
Comment #408172

Calling some chick fat vs. Calling black youths super-predators.

Personal tax returns vs. Mishandling classified government information.

Contempt for country vs. Love of country.

And now……

Pictures of some kind of internet cartoon frog vs. Pictures of walking and stomping on the American flag.

Goes to show that agenda, not country, is what’s most important to leftists.

Posted by: kctim at October 5, 2016 9:17 AM
Comment #408173
The same was said about Reagan, he would be a disaster.

Unlike Trump, Reagan had a record he could point to as governor of California. Also, he demonstrated in his debate appearance that all the uncouth things said about him were untrue.

Most people, except for WB liberals, knew it was a terror attack and knew the CIA was saying what Obama wanted them to say. Obama and company didn’t want to be blamed for dumb decisions. Obama and Hillary both knew it was a terror attack from the get go.

We’ve litigated this before. When CIA intelligence contradicts personal whims, the former needs to take precedence. Imagine if JFK decided to ignore the Soviet missiles in Cuba on the basis of personal opinion?

the CIA was saying what Obama wanted them to say
Now, you are just making shit up. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 5, 2016 9:32 AM
Comment #408174

kctim,
Did you already know about Pepe the frog? I mention it to make people aware. When they are seeing that cartoon frog they are witnessing a sign of the Neo-Nazis, anti-Semites, and the Alt Right. Those people are making their presence known.

That is what has happened with Trump. He has mainstreamed the Alt Right, the Neo-Nazis, the anti-Semites, and others. He has mainstreamed white nationalism. Those Pepe signs are a kind of inside joke, a sign to let people know.

And what I wonder is, will these people fade away after the 2016, or are the 40% who support Trump now an accepted aspect of the American character?

The white nationalists, racists, and bigots are in other European countries too. I found it interesting that they were virtually invisible in Ireland. The Irish see themselves as a small country that has been terribly oppressed by The Empire (the Brits). Despite the strong (but waning) influence of Catholicism, the Irish tend to be liberal and very sympathetic to the plight of others who have suffered because of colonialism.

Posted by: phx8 at October 5, 2016 11:00 AM
Comment #408175

Phx8,

Yes, I have seen Pepe around before. It is only recently that the Clinton campaign issued the talking points for you to use that it is some world wide super secret symbol of neo-nazis and anti-semites.

You mention it not because of any actual significance, but only to further falsely insinuate that anybody who disagrees with leftist policy is some sort of racist, bigot, sexist, xenophobe or whatever.

You have no proof that actual white nationalism is now mainstream, so just like with all the other ‘ism’s’ you must redefine it just to attain the political gains you so desperately desire.

Those who support the racist blm groups and their terrorist actions FAR outnumber the actual white nationalists sitting in their basements.

Posted by: kctim at October 5, 2016 11:45 AM
Comment #408177

Warped, Ain’t making nothing up. If you believe Hillary and Obama didn’t know Benghazi was a terror attack but caused by a video then you are brainwashed by the Democrat party.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2016 11:55 AM
Comment #408178

Warped, The CIA knew it was a terror attack, they said what Obama wanted them to say to take the heat away from his administration. People aren’t as dumb as you Democrats think they are. Democrats claimed video others claimed Terror attack, Terror attack was the right call.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2016 12:02 PM
Comment #408182
The CIA knew it was a terror attack, they said what Obama wanted them to say to take the heat away from his administration. People aren’t as dumb as you Democrats think they are. Democrats claimed video others claimed Terror attack, Terror attack was the right call.

These claims are contradicted by Mike Morrel’s testimony under oath from two years ago.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 5, 2016 4:30 PM
Comment #408183

In particular, Mike Morrel said in response to questions from Rep Bachman:

I’d make two points, ma’am. Number one, the narrative that the attack evolved spontaneously from a protest was a narrative that intelligence community analysts believed — not just CIA analysts, intelligence community analysts. That turned out to be incorrect, but that is what they believed at the time. So there is no politics there whatsoever.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 5, 2016 4:40 PM
Comment #408184

Hmmm Warren, Morrel sounds a lot like those who gave reasons for going into Iraq.

“So there is no politics there whatsoever (in Bush ordering troops into Iraq).”

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 5, 2016 4:47 PM
Comment #408185

Warped, With all the crap going on in this Administration with Hillary getting off for what she did with her private server, that if anyone else did the same would have been serving time in a Fed lockup. Immunity given out like candy, you expect anybody to believe that this administration didn’t have a hand in covering up and having people LIE under oath to save Hillary’s and Obama’s A**, what rock did you just crawl from under? It was a cover up from DAY 1. 4 people died and they lied.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2016 4:55 PM
Comment #408186

KAP, politics and the news media have become so corrupted by money and power that rarely can one find truth in either.

Elementary, secondary and higher education are all becoming corrupted as well by the Left who skew our nations founding and subsequent American history to favor views and events not found in either.

White is the new Black, and Truth is the new Lie. Immorality is the new gospel and Tyranny is our new savior.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 5, 2016 5:08 PM
Comment #408187
Morrel sounds a lot like those who gave reasons for going into Iraq.

Both are examples of intelligence failures. There are similarities and there are differences.

having people LIE under oath

Do you have one iota of evidence that contradicts what Morrel said? Here is another statement from him:

CIA analysts, the most talented and highly trained analysts in our government, concluded less than 24 hours after the attack that a protest had preceded the assault on the State Department’s facility in Benghazi. They arrived at this initial judgment with good reason and without any input form the White House, the State Department or the CIA leadership. Their judgment was coordinated across the intelligence community, which meant that it was a judgment of the entire community, not just the CIA. As you know, subsequent information revealed this judgment to be incorrect. But, and let me emphasize this, our analysts reached their initial judgment because that is where the best available information at the time led them, not because of politics.
Posted by: Warren Porter at October 5, 2016 5:10 PM
Comment #408188
White is the new Black, and Truth is the new Lie. Immorality is the new gospel and Tyranny is our new savior.

An apt appraisal of the “reporting” done by conservative media.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 5, 2016 5:13 PM
Comment #408189

Here’s another favorite Leftie and Socialist pig-in-a-poke spending gambit revealed by fact.

“The U.S.’s fourteenth place ranking in the World Economic Forum’s infrastructure index scarcely bespeaks a national scandal. Luxembourg and Canada rank just above the U.S., and Austria and Denmark rank just below. None of these countries are exactly slouches in the infrastructure category. Among the twenty largest countries, the U.S. ranks second only to Canada. The World Economic Forum index also shows that U.S. infrastructure beats the European Union average by a wide margin! How can that be with the high speed rail and the gleaming Autobahns of the European Union – the envy of our transportation bureaucrats?

According to OECD statistics, the United States spends 3.3 percent of its GDP (2006-2011) on infrastructure investment versus the European Union’s 3.1 percent. With roughly equal GDPs, the United States actually outspends the Europe Union – our model of infrastructure perfection.

If we get less bang per buck from our infrastructure dollar than do our European colleagues, our problem would be not too few dollars but too much waste and corruption.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2013/04/01/infrastructure-gap-look-at-the-facts-we-spend-more-than-europe/#a90bf27137a4

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 5, 2016 5:21 PM
Comment #408190

I am giving Mr. Potter free reign today to express his ignorance and bias (comment #408188) with no comment from me. Have fun Warren.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 5, 2016 5:26 PM
Comment #408191

Warped, “Do I have 1 iota of proof” YEP, 4 dead Americans.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2016 5:26 PM
Comment #408193

Warped, Hillary told her daughter and Egyptian president It was TERROR,, Obama in the Rose Garden said it was TERROR. Just like Ft. Hood it was TERROR. San Bernadino was TERROR, we could go on and on. Are these examples because Radical Muslims are still PI**ED off because of a video.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2016 5:35 PM
Comment #408194

KAP…don’t you just luv reading our Leftie Pals covering for every Hillany and Bill fu*c-up and cover-up? It’s an exercise in fantasy writing. Daugherty is good at that too?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 5, 2016 5:41 PM
Comment #408195

R. F. Yea the lefties believe everything their Dem. gods say.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2016 5:54 PM
Comment #408196

KAP,

Stop appealing to emotion. 4 dead Americans do not contradict Mr. Morrel’s testimony

RF,

Have fun Warren.
A nonsense comment from meets a nonsense comment from me, but I kindly appreciate knowing the feeling is mutual. Thanks!

As far as transportation infrastructure spending is concerned, the Left has been complaining about waste and corruption for a long time. Part of the problem is that in the US, public agencies are required by law to award contracts to the lowest bidder. While Republicans believe this is a cost-saving measure, it actually isn’t. Instead, most of these “lowest bidders” end up doing shoddy work that leads to delays and cost overruns. Contrast with Europe:

In Madrid, on the other hand, cost was given only a 30 percent weight when picking designers and builders, according to Melis. Speed was weighted at 20 percent. Melis praised quick execution as necessary for an efficient, affordable project. (Compare this with multigenerational projects, such as California’s high-speed rail and New York’s Second Avenue subway.) The remaining 50 percent was determined by the technical merits of proposals and the staff’s subjective considerations.

Now, the Labor Unions and their allies in the Democratic party have their share of blame too. Obsolete rules and mandates prevent commuter rail operators from running trains frequently enough to stimulate demand.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 5, 2016 6:02 PM
Comment #408197
Hillary told her daughter and Egyptian president It was TERROR,, Obama in the Rose Garden said it was TERROR. Just like Ft. Hood it was TERROR. San Bernadino was TERROR, we could go on and on. Are these examples because Radical Muslims are still PI**ED off because of a video.

You aren’t making any sense. None of this addresses your earlier assertion.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 5, 2016 6:08 PM
Comment #408198

Today marks the five-year anniversary of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Commonly known as the stimulus, the nearly $1 trillion law was hailed as an opportunity to bring America into the “21st century.”

Just two years after the bill was signed into law, President Barack Obama admitted, “shovel-ready was not as shovel-ready as we expected.” While the law failed to create jobs as promised, it has provided plenty of examples of waste, fraud, and abuse.

Five years and at least $816.3 billion later, here are 10 ways the government wasted taxpayer money.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/the-10-most-outrageous-stimulus-projects/

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 5, 2016 6:25 PM
Comment #408199

$20,000 Billion ($20,000,000 million) in debt and the Left still screams for more spending.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 5, 2016 6:33 PM
Comment #408201

Warped, Let me put it this way anyone with an ounce of common sense, something most liberals lack, would say the CIA and Intelligence community was full of S**T along with Obama and Hillary, it was a TERROR attack.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2016 7:27 PM
Comment #408202
You aren’t making any sense. None of this addresses your earlier assertion. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 5, 2016 6:08 PM

And that’s news?

In the London underground, they have new trains that were built to operate without a human operator, but they’re going to keep the employees there anyway for now.

Roy E’s buddy Gucifer 2.0 is apparently releasing fake documents that he claims are from the Clinton Foundation, including a suspicious folder labeled “Pay to Play”, and more material alleged to come from the DNCC.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 5, 2016 7:54 PM
Comment #408203
Let me put it this way anyone with an ounce of common sense, something most liberals lack, would say the CIA and Intelligence community was full of S**T along with Obama and Hillary, it was a TERROR attack.

This still isn’t evidence supporting your assertion that Mike Morrel modified the talking points for political purposes.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 5, 2016 8:12 PM
Comment #408206

Warped, We will never know but when the Sec. State says it was TERROR and Obama in the Rose Garden says it was TERROR then all of a sudden the next day claim video. Like I said anyone with any common sense knew it was TERROR including the CIA and Intelligence community. Why they changed their tune IMO was political not wanting to make their Boss look bad and ultimately Obama is their Boss. You can believe all the other BS but as for me the CIA and Intelligence community didn’t want to make their boss look bad.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2016 9:07 PM
Comment #408209

“You can believe all the other BS but as for me the CIA and Intelligence community didn’t want to make their boss look bad.”
Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2016 9:07 PM

So what you’re saying is that you actually are talking out your a$$, but you’re willing to go with the explanation that makes Obama and Clinton look the worst, because it makes you feel the most comfortable.

Go figure.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at October 5, 2016 9:21 PM
Comment #408210

kctim,
You write: “… to… falsely insinuate that anybody who disagrees with leftist policy is some sort of racist, bigot, sexist, xenophobe or whatever.”

The white nationalism has little to do with policy. It is not a matter of a conservative GOP disagreeing with policy at all. Conservatism and the Republican Party have been swamped by Trump, the Alt Right, and others. They did the bad thing all by themselves.

Birtherism did not involve leftist policy. They objected to the legitimacy of a black president, and they pushed the false idea that he was a Muslim. According to a poll, over 60% of Trump supporters did not believe Obama was an American citizen, and 59% did not believe he was a Christian.

Trump has attacked many, many groups- Mexicans, immigrants, women, and more. His policies are nearly non-existent because he does not care about policy, and neither does the
Alt Right. They want to ‘make America great again,’ and that involves making it white. That is the goal of the white nationalists who make up the majority of Trump supporters.

The question I keep pondering is this: what happens after the election? Trump will lose. The Senate will go back to the Democrats. The House may remain in GOP control, but not by much. What then? Will Pepe quietly crawl back under a rock, or will the mainstreaming of white nationalism be something that is here to stay?

Posted by: phx8 at October 5, 2016 10:09 PM
Comment #408211

Rocky, If you believe Benghazi was because of a video then I’ll believe the scenario that makes your 2 darlings look the worst. Rocky you say I talk out my A** but you sir talk with IGNORANCE.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2016 10:15 PM
Comment #408212
According to a poll, over 60% of Trump supporters did not believe Obama was an American citizen…His policies are nearly non-existent because he does not care about policy…Posted by: phx8 at October 5, 2016 10:09

From Drumpf, and Rupert Murdoch’s toads and their ilk, it was all just a cynical appeal to low information voters who wouldn’t know or believe that BHO would be a citizen regardless of where he was born since his mother was a US citizen. They’ve proved that they have control over these people, and can maintain control even when reversing what they’re telling them. After the election, I expect endless hate to be spewed by the same sources that have been mainstreamed this year, endless obstructions, endless projecting of blame to an insane level, attempting to benefit whatever is left of the GOP, until the GOP becomes the party they want, a pack of dogs who bark on command.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 5, 2016 10:30 PM
Comment #408213

Well Ora. The same could be said for your side if Trump is elected.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2016 10:44 PM
Comment #408214
Comment #408213

Well Ora. The same could be said for your side if Trump is elected.
Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2016 10:44 PM

Thank you for this perfect example of the kind of one line comment that the site’s software should filter out.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 5, 2016 11:03 PM
Comment #408215

“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters”
Donald Trump

It is, indeed, “a cynical appeal to low information voters.”
During the VP debate last night, when confronted with statements Trump made, Pence simply denied them. His denials were blatantly false. The fact checkers have been having a field day with Pence. But that doesn’t matter. The white nationalists have taken over the conservative GOP, and they do no care about policies or facts. Colbert famously called it ‘truthiness.’

The WSJ polled 45 economists from the previous GOP and Democratic administrations. Many supported HRC. Not one supported Trump. We see this again and again. The party of Trump is anti-establishment, anti-expert, and anti-science. Knowledge, facts, and expertise are dismissed. The team of 13 economic experts announced by Trump included only one economist. It did, however, consist entirely of white males, including six guys named ‘Steve.’

Funniest thing from the VP debate, and possibly the only lasting line… When Kaine repeatedly Kaine brought up the Trump quote about Mexicans being criminals and rapists, Pence declared Kaine was ‘whipping out the Mexican thing again.’ When I went to exercise this morning, there it was on the CNN headline: Pence says Kaine ‘whipped out the Mexican thing again.’ They left that headline up for about five minutes! You just know a couple of CNN guys behind the scenes were giggling like schoolgirls.

I really don’t know what will happen after the election. The GOP turned to overt racism in the form of white nationalism and the Alt Right. Even if they lose, I’m not sure they will ever push it out of the mainstream. It is not a bug. It is a feature.

Posted by: phx8 at October 5, 2016 11:05 PM
Comment #408216

The GOP, even as a minority, can still do damage. Their leadership is clearly befuddled by the future of their own party. They actually seem to reject the future. They used to have alternate plans, now they reject plans, even reject what they’ve already done, and try to blame it on someone else. HRC45 will be the last POTUS of her generation. The contests after her may be between two extremes, ideologues on either side, with a larger middle who reject both, represented by no one.

Pence was obviously trying to channel Reagan in the debate, and help himself more than Drumpf, while Drumpf was tweeting whatever insanity of the day he was tweeting about. He claims brilliant knowledge of the tax code. His accountant disagrees.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 5, 2016 11:28 PM
Comment #408218

Atlantic Magazine, endorsing HRC45:

Donald Trump, on the other hand, has no record of public service and no qualifications for public office. His affect is that of an infomercial huckster; he traffics in conspiracy theories and racist invective; he is appallingly sexist; he is erratic, secretive, and xenophobic; he expresses admiration for authoritarian rulers, and evinces authoritarian tendencies himself. He is easily goaded, a poor quality for someone seeking control of America’s nuclear arsenal. He is an enemy of fact-based discourse; he is ignorant of, and indifferent to, the Constitution; he appears not to read.
Posted by: oraoghaile at October 6, 2016 12:19 AM
Comment #408220

The Republican led House Intelligence Committee findings on the “Talking Points:” A House report on the 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya, concludes that the Central Intelligence Agency and U.S. military responded properly and that Obama administration “talking points” were flawed, but didn’t find that administration officials attempted to mislead the public.” http://www.wsj.com/articles/house-report-cia-military-acted-properly-in-benghazi-attacks-1416616698

Posted by: Rich at October 6, 2016 9:23 AM
Comment #408221

Phx8,

There is absolutely no proof that Trump, Republicans, Conservatives, or any significant number on the right support a racial definition of national identity and are striving to create a white nation.
‘White nationalism,’ ‘alt-right,’ ‘racist,’ xenophobe etc…, are words nobody wishes to be associated with. They have been redefined by the left to include even mild disagreement.
It has everything to do with disagreeing with leftist policy.

“Birtherism did not involve leftist policy. They objected to the legitimacy of a black president”

No, you and the left need it to be all about black or white. Most of the people who supported the ‘birther’ thing just happen to have also been the ones who also supported Cain and Carson.
Facts is my friend, people jumped on the ‘birther’ stuff for the exact same reason you and others jumped on the white nationalist, racist, sexist, xenophobe BS: Because they disagree with the politics.

“Trump has attacked many, many groups- Mexicans, immigrants, women, and more.”

He has “attacked” illegal immigrants. He has “attacked” individuals like Rosie O.
The selective parsing of his words and resulting hyperbole aren’t based on truth, but desired political outcome.

“His policies are nearly non-existent because he does not care about policy”

His positions can be found with a VERY simple search. The fact that you find them ‘non-existent’ just goes to show that you are a blind partisan who cares about Party over country.

“and neither does the Alt Right.”

This ‘Alt Right’ BS was created by leftist SPLC type groups to silence those who dare question the “political correctness” and “social justice” nonsense.

“The question I keep pondering is this: what happens after the election?”

When Clinton wins, everything will continue on as it has for the past 8 years: A struggling economy, the ever increasing size of government and its control over the people, the continued loss of individual rights, growing manufactured racial tensions and divisiveness, continued lose of American culture.
IF Trump wins, the same. If the country is lucky, he will get some kind of immigration reform and won’t continue the constant attacks on religion and the 2nd Amendment.

And yes, Pepe will go away. Well, at least until the left needs him again.

Posted by: kctim at October 6, 2016 10:13 AM
Comment #408222

Rich, “Talking points were flawed” FLAWED they were WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and should never been “Talking points”. Any Idiot while watching News Feed of the Benghazi attack could see it was planned and NOT just a spur of the moment protest. If the report you linked is the first one then it is “FLAWED”. I refer you to comment #408195.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 6, 2016 10:14 AM
Comment #408223

Rich

Please don’t try to confuse Kap with the facts.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at October 6, 2016 10:15 AM
Comment #408224

KAP,

Stop digging your head into the sand you are embarrassing yourself. Nobody denies that the impact of the videos was overstated in those initial talking points. Our top intelligence analysts are very good at their jobs, but they are human and they sometimes make mistakes. In this case, they mistakenly assumed stronger connections between the attack on the embassy in Cairo and the embassy in Benghazi.

Fortunately, no one died nor was anyone harmed by those mistakes. And before you start, Chris Stevens and his comrades were dead long before the talking points were drafted. Accurate talking points would not have saved them.

Once subsequent evidence came to light, the record was corrected a few weeks later and that should have been the end of it.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 6, 2016 10:44 AM
Comment #408225

For the curious, this is the Benghazi Committee’s findings on the intelligence analysis in the days immediately after the attack as well as how that analysis was communicated to the President.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 6, 2016 11:03 AM
Comment #408227
The GOP, even as a minority, can still do damage.

Yes they can because they have the financial backing to do so.I think we need to remember the GOP isn’t a minority even if they get trounced in a national election. They own most of the state legislatures and governors.

Their leadership is clearly befuddled by the future of their own party.

Were they not, on a state level, actively passing voter suppression laws, redistricting and other conservative measures I would agree with this.


They actually seem to reject the future. They used to have alternate plans, now they reject plans, even reject what they’ve already done, and try to blame it on someone else.

Movement leadership, the money behind the politicians, isn’t befuddled about anything IMHO. The political leadership is befuddled on how to keep moving their agenda forward as they continue to meet resistance from anyone with a brain. When their economic plans fail as in Kansas and Louisiana they are still supported by movement followers, it is the rest of us that they are after now.

How long can you keeping cutting wages on the middle class, lowering taxes on the rich with regressive taxation plans and have the conservative base not realize they are being played? On WB most if not all the conservatives overwhelmingly support this simply because it is called a fair tax! If only all of us were so gullible conservative leaders would have an easier time of it.

Look at this thread oraoghaile , Benghazi, emails, Bills’ s*x scandals, and so on. Not a leg to stand on yet here they are arguing about these issues years later. Meanwhile…

Royal is blaming the dems for the $20trillion debt. Yet when has the debt come down, or the deficit for that matter, when government was under repub/conservative control? Why would you charge a war on the credit card, doubling the debt, if you are worried about the debt? Why on earth would you continue to support conservatives after they did this if you were worried about debt?


Trump’s, the anti-establishment candidate, economic plan only adds more to the debt despite the wailing from his followers yet they refuse to see they are being duped!

The conservative plan is simple, make government small enough to drown in the bathtub and call it liberty, the a**es that make up the masses will fall for it every time you wave a flag. Then the oligarchy of movement leaders can rule as they wish.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 6, 2016 11:44 AM
Comment #408229

J2, in response to your post stating that Trump is a huckster looking to sell what anyone will buy: Hil and Bill were “broke” when they left the WH and are now worth some $250M. What product are they selling, J2. Only one answer possible; gov’t, wrapped up in small little packages complete with a free dinner and a bow.

Now, I can agree that this stuff has been going on since the beginning of time. But, that has no bearing at all on what action should be taken when it is flaunted in your face so arrogantly, year over year. Never have we seen a hi level official set up their own communications system between their gov’t office and their mega bucks businesses.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 6, 2016 1:00 PM
Comment #408231

More of Obama’s and Hillary’s work:

Booz Allen Hamilton employee found with NSA cyber security computer information inside his home. This information, if divulged, would cause grave damage to national security.

The admin dismissed a case that has been in litigation for 3 years or more. The case involves a contractor who was a go-between for a covert arms shipment to Libyan rebels during Ghadiffi’s reign. The DOS, read Hillary, was in charge of the operation. Half the arms shipment was given to the rebels and the other half to ISIS supporters. This half of the weaponry ended up with ISIS in Syria.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/05/doj-abruptly-drops-case-against-gun-runner-who-threatened-to-reveal-clintons-libya-dealings.html

Posted by: roy ellis at October 6, 2016 1:04 PM
Comment #408232

NY Attny Gen makes a big deal out of Trump foundation not filing a certain paper on time. Makes a very little deal about the Clinton’s foundation failing to mention some $250M in foreign donations, and so on - - -

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/10/05/new-york-ag-doesnt-show-much-interest-clinton-foundation-trump-charity/
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/trump-foundation-probe-shows-ny-attorney-general-uses-office-to-protect-clinton-attack-her-political-foes/

Go ahead, J2, and pull the trigger for Hillary. You’ll feel like a slime ball afterward, IMO. I don’t want Trump but I sure as hell don’t want Hil.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 6, 2016 1:07 PM
Comment #408233

In sworn depositions, Trump’s bankruptcy lawyers stated that they didn’t trust him to tell the truth. “Trump’s own bankruptcy lawyers testified that they had a policy of not meeting with the real estate mogul alone because he had a “problem” of constantly lying.”

Miller calls Trump “an expert at interpreting things. Let’s put it that way.”

“We tried to [meet in pairs] with Donald always if we could because Donald says certain things and then has a lack of memory,” he says in the deposition.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/trumps-own-bankruptcy-lawyers-say-he-lies-so-much-they-could-only-meet-with-him-in-pairs/

Posted by: Rich at October 6, 2016 2:24 PM
Comment #408234

My foolish Pal j2t2 wrote…”Royal is blaming the dems for the $20trillion debt.”

Take another look my reading-challenged fellow…I wrote that even with $20 Trillion in national debt the Left is screaming for more spending. Listen to “The Hillary”. Hard to miss her message.

If my Leftist buddy would actually think about it, huge deficit spending by both parties is one of the primary reasons Mr. Trump is the “people’s candidate” rather than the “politically seasoned” candidate.

Conservatives and others are fed up with our national government excesses. We realize that Washington is not going to fix a problem it created and continues to nurture.

Mrs. Clinton has trillions in new spending plans.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 6, 2016 2:44 PM
Comment #408236

Other than Johnson/Weld, none of the candidates are proposing to balance the budget. Sure, there are lies spun, but even a cursory examination refutes them.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 6, 2016 3:24 PM
Comment #408237

“Mrs. Clinton has trillions in new spending plans.”

Trump doesn’t? His tax and spending plans are estimated to double the national debt by 2026 while Clinton’s is expected to increase it by 50% according to the non-partisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/07/28/Trump-Fumes-Over-19-Trillion-National-Debt-His-Plan-Would-Double-It

Posted by: Rich at October 6, 2016 3:24 PM
Comment #408238

Rich is no doubt aware that a “study” to “prove” nearly any political projection of spending and debt can be found on the internet.

A few days ago I wrote comments on the fallacy of relying even on the projections of the Congressional Budget Office. All spending projections require input of “assumptions”. Assumptions are not fact.

I base my spending projections of Mrs. Clinton upon her promises of spending. Paying for spending is always the “rub”.

Surely Rich can recall all the savings (both for insureds and the nation) being projected and promised endlessly by Obama regarding the ACA. Studies abounded. None predicted the current facts. The ACA is a failed program waiting to be buried. Millions of Americans have been fleeced.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 6, 2016 3:57 PM
Comment #408251
Take another look my reading-challenged fellow…I wrote that even with $20 Trillion in national debt the Left is screaming for more spending. Listen to “The Hillary”. Hard to miss her message.

Royal so is the right. The only difference is the left wants to spend the money in this country and the right wants to spend it overseas. We have a bloated military budget Royal that Trump wants to bloat even more.

If my Leftist buddy would actually think about it, huge deficit spending by both parties is one of the primary reasons Mr. Trump is the “people’s candidate” rather than the “politically seasoned” candidate.

If my fascist friend would think he would realize the Trumpster wants to add to the debt not cut the debt.He is the “people’s candidate” because he tells us it is the illegals, the Mexicans, the Muslims that are the cause of our problems.

Conservatives and others are fed up with our national government excesses. We realize that Washington is not going to fix a problem it created and continues to nurture.

It was conservatives that created the problem, now it is time to pay the piper Royal instead of running away from the problem. The do nothing tea baggers have only added to the problem. Going back to the state level isn’t the answer, conservatives control many states and they haven’t done anything but cut taxes and complain we have a debt problem.

Mrs. Clinton has trillions in new spending plans.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 7, 2016 12:41 AM
Comment #408256
Mrs. Clinton has trillions in new spending plans.

So does Trump. Unless of course you believe the “wall” is gonna build itself or Mexico is going to foot the bill for it. Unless of course you still actually believe tax cuts and regressive taxation actually increases revenue for the federal government. Unless of course you are a conservative who believes what Faux news tells you despite all evidene to the contrary.

Trump has bought into starve the beast policies that has been the cause of the debt run up since the Reagan revolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

“When President Reagan took office, he promised to rebuild the nation’s defenses, restore economic growth, and trim the size of the federal government by limiting its role in welfare, education, and housing. He pledged to end exorbitant union contracts to make American goods competitive again, to cut taxes drastically to stimulate investment and purchasing power, and to decontrol businesses strangled by federal regulation. Even though his policies trimmed little from the size of the federal government, failed to make American goods competitive in the world market, and led to increased consolidation rather than competition, many Americans believed that he had improved the country’s economic situation.”

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtid=2&psid=3367

Posted by: j2t2 at October 7, 2016 11:25 AM
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