Singularity: Hillary Shall Debate Alone
With the first debate a few days away, there have been suggestions from pundits and commentators on how to improve the debate process. First, remove the studio audience with its unseemly distractions of applause and jeers unbalancing the candidates finely tuned responses and turning the event into a circus.
Then, seeing that moderators like Lauer have been under ferocious attack recently for not doing what the mostly liberal media and culture at large feels he should have done in his interview of Trump in the Commander in Chief get togethers, here's another suggestion that has been floated. Perhaps a little ironically. Lose the moderators please. They are turning into combatants themselves rather than impartial facilitators of the debate. In fact, they are being forced to be more aggressive and combative by a growing chorus within the increasingly hysterical commentariat. God help Lauer or any other moderator if he or she is seen to be neutral when questioning Trump, rather than jabbing out with so-called fact checks every time Trump says something that displeases them.
Some people are beginning to bravely turn a critical eye on the sweeping culture of perceived micro-aggressions and screeching demands for safe spaces, finally. At the same time, one wonders if those - like Andrew Sullivan - who blame omnipresent mobile technology on keeping us humans from discovering our real, individual pain, and instead wallowing in puddles of perceived slights and instant outrage, are onto something with direct political relevance.
Of course they are. The politics of identity and outrage are fueled by social media. No kidding, right? So, if someone who questions trans bathrooms is shouted down as a bigot, what the heck can poor victimized Hillary Clinton do when faced with someone like Trump? When faced with the fact that Trump actually has a chance to win the election?
There is only one solution for Hillary. And the Mainstream Media. Lose Trump. She needs to debate and pull America together. By herself. Alone on the stage. As the first soon-to-be female president of America. Hillary needs to debate herself, by herself, for her precious self's sake.
You see, that's what singularity really means. As tech moguls send millions Hillary's way, and innocent searches on Google get sent the wrong way, we are moving towards a single point of perfection.
And anyone who is not moving towards that single point with its: green technology, big banks filled with compliance departments, self-driving electric cars and trucks, vegan health food stores where once were crass Safeways, windmills where there once were pipelines, and trans professors in every university department across the land barring the way for any student who even might be suspect; anyone not part of this singularity must be marginalized and outcast.
With such a perfect union of identity and outrage being fused by progressives, what place could Trump ever have on the debate stage? No place; they're already chanting. It's clear. Hillary has to debate alone on Monday. Hillary is singular. Trump is unsingular. He shall be silenced. Hillary shall debate alone.
Posted by Keeley at September 22, 2016 5:50 PM
Hillary would lose a debate with herself. She needs somebody close by to bounce her racist, bigoted, xenephobic, rhetoric off of.
Here is how it will go, Keeley.
Hillary: there are x millions of guns and x thousands of murders between x year and x month. And you don’t even know the law that I passed in regards to that.
Trump: Hillary, how can I believe your numbers. Remember, ‘i neither sent nor received any messages marked classified.’
And so on - - -
Ignoring facts, or those who knowingly speak other than the facts won’t help folks like you get better leaders. It won’t make winning easier.
Trump was challenged by Jeb Bush about his lobbying the Florida government about gambling. When Jeb pushed the point, Trump said he was full of it.
Now, it turns out, Trump did in fact lobby the Florida government about gambling, something he said under oath, under penalty of perjury, in a deposition. He either lied to the American people, or he perjured himself on the stand.
He also had his charity pay for a portrait of him which now hangs in a bar he owns at a resort, I believe. You seem willing to let him get away with a lot of lies, because that means winning. You are willing to let him get away with what you’ve let nobody else get away with, not publicly disclosing his tax returns. It seems if we saw what was in them, we might not be so eager to elect him.
Would you rather face the music now when you can just sit around and critique Hillary Clinton for the next four years, or would you rather have to experience four years of continual scandals, as Trump operates with extreme carelessness and recklessness. Do you want the GOP bruised by near term defeat, or beat half to death by the idiotic leadership of this world class liar? How eager are you to win that you will let this son of a b**** con you into voting for him?
Oh, and by the way: Trump may give you your wish anyways. For some strange reason, this fellow seems to prefer hitting at people when they can’t hit back. Debates might be too much for him, as they were in the Primaries. How many little luxury demands will he make? How many exceptions to how many rules will this man, who claims to have the game rigged against him, ask for?
Stephen, we can expect the dems to keep Trump somewhat honest.
Nobody expects to Trump to fulfill any of his promises to make America great. But, it would be good to just hear a President talk about such issues.
The GOP is all bent out of shape as they wanted to have congress and the WH under their purview. I’m hoping Trump will at least impede their globalists, open borders policies.
Hillary would be a better President for the GOP than Trump would. We’ve seen a lot of high ranking GOP’ers say they won’t vote for Trump which is the same as giving their vote to Hillary.
Hillary would have won the election had she not acted in bad judgement re her email. We can thank Russia for her demise.
Otherwise - - -
Roy we cannot and should not expect the dems to keep Trump somewhat honest. Such low standards the right sets for its nominee.
IMHO If Trump doesn’t win the debate hands down no one should vote for him. Trump isn’t bound by any normal debate standards, honesty integrity and truth do not hinder him in any way. He doesn’t respect anything but manipulation to get what he wants. Those that intend to vote for him don’t seem to hold him to truth or honesty why should anyone else bother?
The expectation level you have set for Trump, “Nobody expects to Trump to fulfill any of his promises to make America great” is so low as to be nonexistent. If you guys on the right held him to the super strict standards you hold Clinton to he would have been tarred, feathered and run out of town by now.
j2, I am not a ‘right’ guy. I get it right, I diddle in the middle.
We don’t know what level of esteem to assign to Trump. I’ve no problem starting him off at a higher level than the establishment/corpocracy.
As it relates to Clinton, I put Trump at a 9 and Hillary at a 0. Maybe she would make a decent child counselor or divorce lawyer.
No ‘super strict standards’ for Hillary here, j2. I do agree that high level officials should be held accountable, at least to a level of us mere mortals. She should be busy making her case before the courts rather than before the people, IMO.
I’ve said before, If Trump doesn’t fulfill his promises he will get impeached. I don’t think the bar is set very high for a Trump failure. He’ll also have to contend with Harry Reid getting in front of the cameras and declaring Trump’s failure half way through the process.
It’s funny! Trump is having an expectations level defined for him by the Democratics. It’s like they have to demand a low expectation level so when he does succeed in winning the debate and the presidency the Democratics can say he started at such a low point and his success is minimal.
And to think Democratics don’t expect to keep Trump honest could be one of two things, or both:
1. The Democratics are as pure as the wind driven snow and can do no wrong, except to let the Republicans destroy the country.
2. The Democratics are defining their opponent instead of their candidate because they’re having a “Weekend at Bernie’s” moment.
..and talking about expectation levels!
How many people would think foul play if Hillbilly got elected and a year later she does a Breitbart on the sidewalk?
It would be like the Kennedy assassination without the speculation!
It would be like the Kennedy assassination without the speculation!
Didn’t Russia have weak, old leaders? Wasn’t there speculation of why the old Russian leader entered and exited office?
The best way to prevent crime is to anticipate it’s occurrence and plan ahead.
We don’t know what level of esteem to assign to Trump. I’ve no problem starting him off at a higher level than the establishment/corpocracy.
Why on earth do you give Trump a free ride Roy? Sure he was better than the rest of the candidates the repubs had to offer this time around. But that isn’t saying much.
Trump has a record of shipping jobs overseas, hiring illegals, using his money to influence politicians and tells us he will violate the Constitution as president. You have already told us you don’t believe he will live up to his promises! What does it take to get a 9 on your esteem scale, no bankruptcy in the past year?
Trump has joined with the US establishment/corpocracy in crying wolf about Clinton why would you think he isn’t one of them?
As it relates to Clinton, I put Trump at a 9 and Hillary at a 0. Maybe she would make a decent child counselor or divorce lawyer.
Of course you do, but pray tell why would you after all the crying wolf turns out to be nothing and you have already told us Trump is lying and won’t live up to his promises. Is this some emotional judgment as it sure doesn’t seem to be rational. I mean I guess Trump should get credit for convincing you guys that although he is lying about his campaign promises he is still a 9 on your “esteem scale”. But IMHO that is some shaky grounds you use to arrive at your “esteem scale”.
No ‘super strict standards’ for Hillary here, j2.
Really!!! Compared to the standards you have set for Trump they indeed are super strict. A kangaroo court if ever there was one.
I do agree that high level officials should be held accountable, at least to a level of us mere mortals. She should be busy making her case before the courts rather than before the people, IMO.
ON what charges Roy? She has been through the wringer and not one charge to put her in front of the court. Why is it you cannot see the lies of the right wing that has continued to smear Clinton for decades now?
“Here is how it will go, Keeley.”
Sorry Roy, It’s going to go like this:
Trump will remind Hillary that he will play nice if she does, the moderator will ask Trump the first question, Trump will say “SQUIRREL, and begin one of his blathering stream of consciousness word salads (preferably without punctuation, or complete sentences), and we’ll be off to the races.
The problem for Clinton is if she shows Trump up for the unprepared lout that he truly is, she will lose because people will feel sorry for Trump.
The best she can hope for is a draw.
So the debate was between Hillary Rodham Clinton, next and 45th President Of The United States and a snivelling petulant brat who kept having tantrums while giving soundbites about how smart it is for alleged billionaires to not pay any taxes.
We’ve had Bill and Hill for some 35 years and look where we are. We don’t need any more nice deliveries of political platitudes. We need leaders. We need to make American great again and put American first, AGAIN.
I wish we had the Clintons for 35 years. What country do you live in Roy Ellis? It’s clearly not the USA. The USA is great, has always been great for my entire life in the USA, and will continue to be great in the future.
Drumpf delivers his platitudes endlessly, and then repeats them endlessly because he has nothing else to say but sound bites that make deplorables like himself feel good.
So apparently, Trump thinks American Taxpayers are all dumb?
One more time:
2 wars on a CC
20T national debt
40% receiving some gov’t ass’t
Few jobs while continuing an open border policy
Over 50% unemployment for minorities
1% owns 40%
Obama’s policies created ISIS
ISIS attacks US cities at will
ISIS went from 0 to over 30 countries now
Hillary’s servers gave the Soviets great insight into our national security for more than 2 years. (wikileaks in Oct)
Antiquated defense equip
1-2% GDP since 08 with no hope
America is a great country. America has been badly diminished. America can be great again. We should put America first again, IMO.
Couple of minors:
Bribe money to Iran.
Cutting ICANN free from US Gov’t
Cutting a deal with Castro
No leadership re South China Sea and Ukraine
Playing footsie with Russia in Syria and beyond.
Well Warren it’s not like Trump is wrong, we are dumb. Look at Kansas where Brownback implemented tax cuts much like the Trump plan. He was re-elected despite the tax cuts going south on him.
We want to believe his line, he is a master manipulator after all. Even though we know he isn’t gonna live up to his promises we still want to vote for him, right Roy.
Hell Trump has managed to make America forget about the last 35 years until we now think it was the Clintons responsible for where we are today. GWB doesn’t exist, the Tea Party doesn’t exist and the repub/conservative majority in the state legislatures, via redistricting, doesn’t exist. Reagan doubled the debt,of course it was Clinton’s fault. Bill cut the deficit, not in our world. The repub majority and GWB changed the bankruptcy laws, added medicare debt, went to war on a credit card… no… hell no… not in our world, that was Clinton she was a Senator and ran for office during some of that. Right conservatives?
Trump has us pegged Warren. We deserve him.
Bribe money to Iran!!!! See Trump can make these guys think anything he chooses, it is their money. Why isn’t it bribe money to Israel? That is our money.
2 wars on a CC- GWB and the repubs perhaps because well he had WMD’s. Vote for Trump who has the same plan as GWB cut taxes and charge the war on ISIS while we build a wall and cut taxes !! Thanks conservatives
20T national debt- Reagan doubled the debt not Clinton, Reagan told us tax cuts were the answer to all our problems, what happened? Conservatism and the repub revolution.
40% receiving some gov’t ass’t- tax cuts to ship jobs overseas! Why because conservatives haven’t found a tax cut they don’t like. Break the unions cause well we like Walmart wages and supporting corporate America low wages.
Few jobs while continuing an open border policy- Job creators not creating jobs yet getting tax cuts!! Employers cutting wages and hiring illegals !!!
Over 50% unemployment for minorities-Job Creators not creating jobs yet getting tax cuts!!! Cutting school budgets, NCLB and teach to the test. Thanks GWB. Thanks do nothing Congress for not addressing it. Oh wait…Obama, hows that Roy. Oh wait Obamacare repeal Obamacare and cut taxes. Thanks conservatives.
1% owns 40%- But but but they work so hard.. but but but they will create jobs,but but but inequality is good but but but tax cuts for the wealthy is good. Cut cap gains tax some more and a regressive income tax should solve the problem… right?
Obama’s policies created ISIS- he wasn’t even in office when they were created yet it is his fault? The war on Iraq created ISIS.
ISIS attacks US cities at will- ISIS wannabe and deranged idiots who can get a semi auto assault weapon at will, whats the problem aren’t they just exercising their 2nd amendment rights?
ISIS went from 0 to over 30 countries now- Of course when we kill off their families and torture their people did you think they would just go away?
Hillary’s servers gave the Soviets great insight into our national security for more than 2 years. (wikileaks in Oct)- Of course it was just Hillary Roy not the rest of the leaks over the years.
Antiquated defense equip- yet the largest budget by tenfold, why not treat defense like we do public schools and teachers? Keep cutting until the weapons improve cause they are unionized.
1-2% GDP since 08 with no hope- Compared to 2007 that seems pretty good. Seems the do nothing tea baggers in Congress aren’t all that good for the country as they just keep trying to repeal Obamacare instead of jobs legislation.
Wait, why are there intelligent responses here? What time do the deplorable flushables wake up?
There were probably more national security leaks from the right wingnuts on the congressional committees than from any hackers. Wake up and become part of the real world, or go back to the factory and get a reboot.
“probably more nation security leaks from the right wingnuts - - -“. Probably, but we don’t know that do we? We do know that for a coupla years Hillary kept up some dozen devices for integrating the Clinton Foundation and the DOS. We do know that and we know somebody has most, if not all of the messages passed on that network.
Recall that I’m against corpocracy. Corpocracy is dems, repubs and big business. So, I don’t like that GWB did 2 wars on a CC, 20T debt and all that - - - but what has the dems done for the last 8 years? Increased the debt, and little else as I am aware.
Drumpf IS the corpocracy, as in big business, and the most crooked person ever to run for POTUS. HE ADMITS IT. Why won’t you believe him?
The Dems have only had 8 years to undo the mess left by W, a saint compared to Drumpf, who took 8 years to undo the balanced budget left by William Jefferson Clinton, 42nd President Of The United States. Why do the Democrats have to correct the problems he created in any specific amount of time, since they’re going to do EXACTLY the same thing the next time they get in office.
In the debate, Drumpf’s comment practically inviting China to invade North Korea was pure idiocy. He should never be allowed to speak about any international issues ever again. He could cause a war before the election. He’s about as presidential as a monsoon of raisins.
Check out where the US ranks in education and get back - - -
I know exactly where the US ranks in education. We have the best schools in the world for the people who are able to afford them.
oraog, yes, Trump was a player in corpocracy. He admits it. Few others will. Ben Carson said the major reason he is sticking with Trump is because of the level of corruption he has seen in just his time as a GOP candidate.
The Clinton Foundation is typical of corpocracy
So, Royal Ellis, are you claiming that the Clinton Foundation was doing something evil with the donations? I don’t care if they were getting donations from SATAN and doing something good with them. Posting links without quotations from those links is a waste of time. I wouldn’t trust a link from a Drumpf supporter to even bother opening. You believe in a lying liar who TRUMPS all the lying liars that came before him. He has fooled you eye, but not mine.
Otherwise, we have The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that we deserve…
I don’t care if they were getting donations from SATAN and doing something good with them.
Somebody’s not paying attention to what they’re saying. Apart from the blatant hypocrisy of the first part of the statement, the second part, the doing something good…
Well, that’s only about 6% of the Hillbilly Foundation’s income. Do some research.
Isn’t that almost the exact opposite of the Salvation Army?
Hmm,there were supposed to be two new posts, but there’s nothing here.
So, exactly how many lies did Drumpf tell last night? One lie every 3 minutes? Stop and Frisk was ruled unconstitutional. He got his numbers mixed up on the shootings in Chicago. Nafta didn’t cause job losses. Ford Motor Company is calling him a liar. and so on and so on.
Drumpf’s “faulty mic” made him sound like he has been snorting something. His fat lard arse was clearly on view. By the end of the debate, he was hanging on to the podium like a 70 year old. I don’t think he’ll even be able to stand up for more debates. Maybe he’ll die.
In other news, the useless right wingers in Congress have decided to end the funding for the United States Government on Friday. Such wonderful patriots. Maybe they’ll burn down The Capitol while waving confedarate flags. Useless, useless.
China is getting another taste of their man-made global warming conspiracy.
Otherwise, we have The Vast Right Wing Corpocracy that we deserve…
Our gov’t gave ‘America the Great’ away in exchange for globalism. They cut a deal thru NAFTA that would allow US corps to go forth and buy biggly into foreign commerce.
US corps first went to Mexico for cheap labor. When China came on line they went to China. Later, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and all over Asia in search of the cheapest labor the world had to offer.
China and Russia were supposed to make nice if they were included in the trade deals. Instead we get fortresses erected in the South China Sea and Russia taking over half of Ukraine and bombing the hell out of the last bastion of our rebel fighters in Allepo.
We don’t need any more red lines or, “I can be more flexible after the elections” comments or, giving any more billions to IRAN to purchase RUssian weapons or, these wonderful John Kerry policies to invite Russia to ‘work with us militarily’ to project force on the battlefield.
We need somebody in the WH that has some modicum of leadership. Soon. This is going to be a long and tenuous four months.
This is going to be a long and tenuous four months. Posted by: roy ellis at September 27, 2016 8:11 PM
I completely agree. Presidential election years create international problems when other nations try to take advantage of us as a democracy. Just like with Reagan and his traitors, and now with Drumpf.
Should have explained further. We have 4 more months of President Obama’s administration. Long and tenuous.
We have 4 more months of President Obama’s administration. Long and tenuous.
Posted by: roy ellis at September 27, 2016 9:08 PM
It should be a smooth transition to HRC45. Hopefully Drumpf’s Russian pals won’t invade anyplace else. BTW, if Drumpf never met Putin, Ivanka probably did. She vacationed with his girlfriend. Drumpf’s other rotten sons are just as disgusting as he is. Severed elephant trunks, anyone? Pieces of Shot, just like their old man.
Trump is weak in some essential ways, who can only really survive in the protected environment of the Right Wing Media. Trump, you should realize, isn’t actually good at debating. It wasn’t his mic. It wasn’t Lester Holt. It wasn’t the liberal media.
It was the Conservative media. It was voters who nominated a candidate because he was a free-wheeling insult machine. Trump voters got exactly like they wanted, and like a Porsche owner who lives in an area where all the speed limits are thirty, they kind of wasted the currency they spent, in this case, their vote.
They voted for a man who doesn’t believe in intellectual things like preparing for a debate, or studying. They voted for a man who quite evidently thinks he knows everything he needs to know. They voted for a man who represents in many ways the sort of Ayn Rand-inspired culture that they’ve been conditioned to prefer. A guy with an outsized ego who treats his opponents like trash, who projects an aura of extreme confidence, and who doesn’t care who or what gets in his way, including such quaint idealism like the Constitution. He doesn’t care what his party’s establishment wants, doesn’t care about the decades old military treaties, or anything else than his own belief in being that supreme ubermensch.
Y’all love the fact that he’s politically incorrect, that he horrifies everybody else! But then, like him, you’re mystified, or at least pretend to be mystified as all his arrogance, all this hatred comes back to haunt him.
This is part of what is so fundamentally naïve about Ayn Rand’s philosophy. Our own self-regard does not add up to how well we actually do. In fact, there’s an actual name for being so positively stupid or numb to feedback that you are inordinately confident about your skills: The Dunning-Kruger effect.
Trump is one of those people who just doesn’t get told no. Who just never had to pay much of any cost for being bigoted. I mean, with his father, why would he? He could treat women like trash, get away with it. He could treat minorities like trash, at least early on, and get away with it. He could be as rude and crude as he wanted to be, and his money would buy his way out of it. But that’s not the limit. He has used his financial position to make it more difficult for folks like Atlantic City gaming boards to hold him to account. By all rights, there are many points at which Trump could have literally been shutdown, except people were too concerned about losing their shirts, too.
He is very experienced and very good at putting other people into these kinds of No-win situations, and profiting from it. But he’s also very good at failing, because all that competence at getting out of trouble means he hasn’t developed the skills necessary to avoid much of that trouble in the first place.
The Conservative media and the GOP of today are perfectly fit to that kind of problematic behavior. You really have to screw things up, really have to burn down the house for the GOP and the Right Wing Media to get that you’re screwing up. It’s the perfect place to go if you’re trying to avoid accountability, if you want boosters who will sell your worthless ass despite how corrupt or bankrupt that ass is. Trump knows that the GOP needs him more than he needs them. He knows they lose everything if they just decide to quit on him. He knows, with Hillary as his opponent, that he can play on that fear, too.
He’s trapped you guys. But you trapped yourself first. Trump’s problem is that he didn’t start behaving well from the get-go. Trump’s problem is that he had no problem associating himself with that “basket of deplorables,” which even alarm some conservatives, and which definitely alarm many of the people they need outreach to. Trump’s problem is that he’s simply not a very disciplined rhetorician. I know some of you go, oh, wonderful, he’s not addicted to his teleprompter.
I would respond that to compensate for that, he’s become this sort of crowd-energized demagogue, whose impulsive style has made it very difficult for him to maintain discipline.
I would respond, also, that he’s something of a novelty candidate, writ large. Any other year, he’d have no chance. The GOP had a crop of unusually unlikeable and weak presidential candidates. He’s gotten away with a lot of things because his people want him to get away with those things, but he’s gotten away with them only to the extent that support from the GOP and conservative voters is concerned.
He’s also been very reliant on broadcasters to just let him have unfettered access for the first year or two, worth on the order of billions of dollars.
He really didn’t get this far based on skill, more on his ability to manipulate others into overlooking his flaws.
Unfortunately, I don’t think he realized just how complicated the system was.
Let me put it this way: how does Trump pivot from the Primary season? The answer is, he doesn’t, he can’t. Nobody is going to forget his xenophobia, his wall, his sexism, even if his party forgave it. So, when he turns around, he can’t really change all his positions without inspiring a great deal of skepticism on all sides. People have memory, videotape, and transcripts.
Hillary, on the other hand, doesn’t have to do so much, because like many Democrats, the pivot is less an attempt to magically teleport herself from the far left, and more a turn to try and appeal to a broader set of voters. Democrats don’t tend to run on very strong-left sort of material, compared to the center. Look at the patriotic themes of our convention, and compare it to the often critical left. Look at the appeals to fiscal conservativism, balancing the budget, even if we put taxes into the mix. You don’t find us arguing the complete opposite of what Republicans do, but rather a more moderate line. We pay for more cops, we don’t go hog-wild calling for military cuts, and our language about ending the various wars was more about cutting losses than rejection of the idea of winning them altogether.
Democrats make a more believable transition. Republicans can’t do that, because their party demands they run as right wing extremists first, and then try to appeal to the center as if nothing ever happened.
That’s Trump’s problem.
Stephen, You need to worry more about your golden girl Hillary’s problems. You DemocRATs aren’t the angels you make yourselves out to be.
Ayn Rand was mentioned. One of her favorite people was Nathaniel Branden, who wrote The Disowned Self:
a condition in which the individual is out of contact with his own needs, feelings, emotions, frustrations and longings, so that he is largely oblivious to his actual self and his life is the reflection of an unreal self, of a role he has adopted.
Some people claim that this is Drumpf’s problem. Dunning-Kruger implies basic stupidity. I don’t think he’s stupid, he’s just a very nasty individual.
Look, if you want to prop him up, fine. Do that to yourselves. Personally, though I worry sometimes about some of her issues, I need not worry near as much as a Republican about basic abilities necessary to the job. You want him because he seems to be strong. Now the debate has come and upset that. You blame the mic, you blame the moderator for not giving him all softballs, you insinuate that Clinton was being fed the answers, and when you do admit he might not have made the best impression, your answer for why is that he didn’t bring up Benghazi enough, or he didn’t bring up Bill Clinton’s infidelity (as if Trump is one to throw stones,) or that he didn’t press on the e-mails.
The fact that he didn’t prepare on a factual level doesn’t figure into your sense of what the causes were. Or the fact that he doesn’t seem to be a big fan of formally preparing for anything. He’s grossly ignorant, and very unwilling to do anything about it.
That’s what you seem to be supporting here. Basically, the third-grade bully model of how to get ahead in the world, a bunch of social browbeating based on personality and self-aggrandizement.
American society has to grow up. There are responsibilities to be taken care of, ones that supersede the ideological wishlist of either side. The quality of our results means more than the extent to which those results were gained from our political wish lists getting checked off.
Stephen, I really don’t give a D**N what those 2 A**holes do. If Hillary is the best DemocRATs can produce and Trump the best Republicans can do , then this country is in DEEP S**T. So like I said worry about your golden girl Hildabeast.
Stephen Daugherty, I think you’re not taking into account Trump’s debate strategy. Democratics are focusing on him not focusing on details about a system he’s never been part of. I believe your side believes Trump will have to conform to the system when he gets elected so he better start now. I think your side misses the part about his separation from government as well as his familiarity with it from an outsider’s point of view, being a plus for him. The fact he created a nine billion dollar enterprise doesn’t hurt either!
Donald Trump exposed his strategy when he refused to bring her family into the debate. He was called a sexist and a racist by his opponent, and he didn’t take the bait. He stayed above the gutter-sniping and stuck with facts.
Hillbilly’s performance was no better than j2t2’s or oraoghiale’s or Rocky Marks’. All she can do is fling mudd. When it comes time to either put up or shut up, they never shut up.
Look, his debate strategy seems to be “bash Hillary, claim he’s our own personal political Jesus, the one who can save us all.”
But that’s kind of a one-note sort of way to go about things. The trouble is, once you get outside the GOP, the hyperventilation about Hillary loses some of its force, and Trump’s grandiose narcissism loses much of its charm.
Look, you seem to confuse selling points for good reasoning. Trump is an outsider, but so are a s***load of people who should be nowhere near the Presidency. By the same logic Michael Corleone is just as qualified as Trump. As for creating a nine billion dollar enterprise? Well, first, he didn’t start poor, and second, he underperformed index funds.
Finally… Well, he wrote off a billion dollars in losses on his income taxes. The guy has a track record of LOOKING like a good business man by stiffing contractors and employees, by working up huge amounts of debt and then running to the government to get the creditors off his back.
Hillary can provide solid plans, has done so. Trump? Trump says its a secret. Well, you know why its a secret? Because he’s waiting on his inauguration to make all the corrupt deals he wants to make. He’s said something to the effect of telling Mike Pence that Trump would work on making America great again, and that Mike Pence… well he’d do all the actual work.
Trump is not a leader. He’s a fop, an aristocratic buffoon who makes others do all the work and risk all the money while he gains.
Stephen, Your golden girl is no better then Trump if this is the best both major parties have to offer we are in DEEP S**T!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr. Poter seems surprised that ex-congress critters dislike a candidate who wants to change politics as usual in Washington.
Congress had much higher approval ratings when those critters were still in office 7 years ago.