Is Hillary the Wrong Woman?

Summer has indeed come and passed. And those who plead innocence never last. At least their professed innocence tends not to last. So Hillary has indeed had to wake up to the fact that the Clinton Foundation connections to the State Department, and her server scandal, have eroded her standings in the polls. We now have Trump ahead by a couple of points in the latest CNN/ORC poll, mostly as the result of Trump gaining significantly, rather than Hillary losing ground.

Relax, Hillary's supporters scream. Trump's walking a tightrope in terms of Electoral College votes. He needs a big win in terms of the popular vote to get to 270. Not so for Hillary.

Well, maybe not.

Nate Silver of Five Thirty Eight has issued a cautionary report that seems to suggest that America needs to accept an even higher level of volatility (or uncertainty to be more precise) between now and November 8. He gives a number of detailed reasons why. And, just to be clear, Nate Silver is no Trump fan. He would clearly prefer Hillary as president. But he makes his living by being good at predicting actual results based on the data.

So what does he say?

Well, that swing states tend to rise and fall together. They might be susceptible to a good or bad debate performance is the implication. Or some other outside event, like a terrorist attack or another leaked trove of emails. There's also a significantly higher percentage of undecided voters for this late stage in the campaign. Independents may matter more than ever before, in other words. They could boost Trump. Or give Hillary a landslide.

Don't fixate on what you think are the key states, Nate warns. But remember Florida with its 29 electoral votes. And Clinton closing the popular vote in red states like Texas, by snagging loads of Hispanics, may only mean lots of wasted electoral votes when the state (and its electoral votes) tips for Trump in the end. In California, of course, the surging latino votes are just another plank for the blue coast.

And in a race filled with this-is-the-last-chance deadlines that have come and gone, Nate adds one more: the first presidential debate on September 26. If Hillary can hang on to a relatively slender but doable lead of 4 points by the eve of the first debates, she is likely to ride out the remaining weeks. If the race is tied at the end of the third week of September, however, anything is possible. According to their models.

And finally, Trump has his infamous ceiling to stare at. Not the impeccably plastered ceilings he might gaze at in one of his abodes, but the popular vote kind. If this latest CNN/ORC poll is indicative of a true shift in trends, however, then maybe Trump is gaining a percentage of independents who are troubled by Hillary's scandals. While Hillary finds herself suddenly staring at a ceiling.

And if there's one metaphor that Hillary and her supporters would love to smash ... that's the one. The problem is, the scandal-plagued veteran may be the wrong woman to smash that ceiling.

Posted by Keeley at September 8, 2016 2:29 PM
Comments
Comment #407256

For better or for worse, the vast majority of national and swing state polls show HRC ahead, albeit by a lesser margin than a month ago.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 8, 2016 2:56 PM
Comment #407257
And Clinton closing the popular vote in red states like Texas, by snagging loads of Hispanics, may only mean lots of wasted electoral votes when the state (and its electoral votes) tips for Trump in the end.

Wasted electoral votes? What does that even mean? Is this article translated by babelfish from some other language or what? That plus two posters who continually troll here, double posting, triple posting, and quadruple posting to try and bait people into falling for their nonsense? What the heck happened to this website?

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 8, 2016 4:49 PM
Comment #407259

keely, IMO Trump will get most of Gary Johnson’s Libertarian votes since we’ve heard he doesn’t know where Aleppo is.

Likewise, I really believe wikileaks will sink Hillary’s ship of state come October.

Likewise, Trump is the change candidate. Hillary has the Obama legacy baggage to carry and therefore, can’t claim to be the change agent.

All over but the shouting, IMO.

Posted by: roy ellis at September 8, 2016 6:03 PM
Comment #407272
Likewise, I really believe wikileaks will sink Hillary’s ship of state come October.

Umm….I thought that was September, now it’s October? Hopefully wikileaks doesn’t wait until December for the September surprise we keep hearing about from the conservative propagandist. Wolf, wolf, wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heasnJY8HMM

Likewise, Trump is the change candidate.

Chump change maybe but real change? I doubt it. But hey what do I know, exactly how do you think Trump will change things Roy?

Hillary has the Obama legacy baggage to carry and therefore, can’t claim to be the change agent.

A scandal free administration isn’t a bad thing. Other that the faux scandals that don’t hold water, this administration has been so much better than the previous administration while carrying out the obligations left from the previous administration. Do you really think a Trump administration would be less corrupt?

Posted by: j2t2 at September 9, 2016 12:42 PM
Comment #407274

There was a previous administration? We assume that people remember what happened before, but it sure doesn’t seem like it. BHO has gradually worked his way out of the mess created by W and his controllers in the previous 8 years. If they were still in power, we’d still be on the oil hunt in the Middle East. BHO’s administration has been much more peaceful. The worst part of it has been the endless whining of the opposition, and the lies they propagate. Drumpf has become part of this process in order to get publicity. Drumpf is a world class liar, so he has to claim that HRC is instead, like a silly child would. Drumpf claims he never met Pam Bondi, and there he is sitting right next to her at a dinner. Now he has Roger Ailes advising him? Paid $40 million to go away, and they had to pay $20 million more for just a part of what he did. No wonder he has so much support from people who don’t remember what happened before, they don’t even want to know what’s happening right now.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 9, 2016 1:54 PM
Comment #407347

oraog, Roger Ailes problems will get about as much traction as Uma’s man, Weibert got. Hillary has the communist party USA backing her and Trump has David Duke. Few to none care.

J2, agree Trump would be a pretty feckless president. Still, he could undo some of Obama’s legacy thru execurive order.

An issue of some weight is Hillary’s health. A few voters will look at her VP in a new light. This could not get her any more votes but would likely cost her a few.

Too late to call in Biden at this point. It is what it is and here we go . .

Posted by: roy ellis at September 11, 2016 3:08 PM
Comment #407348

An independent minded person might not realize what the specific GOP demographics are. A sizeable portion of the right wing coalition are conservative Christians, some of whom actually believe in Christian principles. Others do not. I just watched an ad for a local politician in Illinois. He is married to a woman of South Asian ancestry. He’s clearly proud of his children, whose appearance reflects both their parents’ ancestries. He is also a GOP candidate for the State Senate. How do you think they might feel about Drumpf courting racists?

Years ago, Phil Gramm was a leading candidate for the GOP nomination for POTUS. Then he appeared on 60 Minutes with his wife, and his well-funded campaign foundered. His wife is of Korean and Native Hawaiian ancestry.

People who actually practice Christian principles are not going to vote for Drumpf. Racists who think they practice Christianity might, but it’s nearly impossible to satisfy both sub-groups of the GOP in our information saturated age. Not all of Drumpf’s supporters are deplorable, but Drumpf revels in being deplorable.

What exactly are we supposed to know about Drumpf’s health? A letter from a doctor that was written in a hurry while someone was waiting to pick it up? We have extensive knowledge of HRC’s health records.

At all times and in all circumstances, overcome evil with good. Know thyself, and God will supply the wisdom and the occasion for a victory over evil. Clad in the panoply of Love, human hatred cannot reach you. — Mary Baker Eddy
Posted by: oraoghaile at September 11, 2016 4:00 PM
Comment #407349

oraog, did we did or did we not just have a year of primary campaigning where Christians pushed Trump to a win biggly over several seasoned candidates? Pastor Huckabee being one of them. How was that possible?

Christians are clinging to their guns and religion. They aren’t big on one size restroom fits all. They aren’t big on abortion on demand. Traditional marriage is important.

Huckabee and a couple of others may have supported some of that but, Christians, 75-80% of the population, are working class folks. They felt, and now know that their children will be less well off than their generation, a first for this country.

Your quote of Eddy fits perfectly with Christian thinking.

I would put Hillary’s last rant here but can’t remember it entirely, something about deplorable people, and so on - - -


Posted by: roy ellis at September 11, 2016 4:35 PM
Comment #407350

Deplorable people? It was a basket of deplorables:

“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people, now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets offensive, hateful, mean-spirited rhetoric. Now some of those folks, they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America.

“But the other basket, the other basket, and I know because I see friends from all over America here. I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas, as well as you know New York and California. But that other basket of people who are people who feel that government has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they are just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroine, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.”

Guns and religion? You’re confusing people who hide behind Christianity to people that practice it.

Restrooms? This week we had a major news story about a school where they don’t even want students to get a bathroom pass more than once every three months.

Abortion is one of the issues that both ends of the Christian right are worried about Drumpf, who has been on both sides of everything for so many years.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 11, 2016 4:49 PM
Comment #407353

WW, might have been a good read . ; . but it’s gone now. Can u enlighten us?

Posted by: roy ellis at September 11, 2016 8:50 PM
Comment #407354

It worked for me.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 11, 2016 11:09 PM
Comment #407355

https://sharylattkisson.com/

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 11, 2016 11:11 PM
Comment #407356

Sharyl Attkisson pushes conspiracy theories, including anti-vaccination stories, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, and now e-mails. The linked article is ludicrous, but as I have said in the past, conspiracy theories die hard, and a lot of conservative hearts were broken that day the FBI announced there would be no criminal indictments against HRC or anyone else.

This woman started out as a legitimate journalist, but sometime after the beginning of the Obama administration she went off the rails. Last year she sued the Justice Department, the Post Office, and various others claiming they were conducting illegal surveillance activities against her. Think about how crazy this woman must be. Virtually no one has ever heard of her, but she is convinced she is being watched.

On a factual note, the latest approval rating shows Obama at 58%. He may finish his presidency as the most popular president in modern history.

Posted by: phx8 at September 12, 2016 1:40 AM
Comment #407357

There was not one opinion in the Attkisson piece. This article lists facts from the FBI report only.

phx8, is the FBI pushing conspiracy theories? Try reading the article before you answer.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 12, 2016 8:06 AM
Comment #407358
On a factual note, the latest approval rating shows Obama at 58%. He may finish his presidency as the most popular president in modern history. Posted by: phx8 at September 12, 2016 1:40 AM

BHO is a good example of what a POTUS should be. The GOP dominated Congress is a good example of what legislators should not be, endlessly delaying everything in attempts to create crises for their own partisan ends, and then blaming everything on the President. Thank goodness that Drumpf will help get so many of them out of office.

You should never open any suspicious links on your own personal computer.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 12, 2016 10:34 AM
Comment #407359

WW,
Almost all of the classified e-mails she listed were classified retroactively. There was nothing illegal or untoward about sending e-mails that were not classified at the time; furthermore, there is nothing illegal or untoward about sending e-mails that lacked the proper labels to show they were classified in the first place (this only applies to a few). It is conspiracy theory; nothing more, nothing less, and a complete waste of everybody’s time.

Posted by: phx8 at September 12, 2016 10:36 AM
Comment #407360
there is nothing illegal or untoward about sending e-mails that lacked the proper labels to show they were classified in the first place

This is completely false. Classified information remains classified even if it lacks proper markings or labels. Some information is “born classified”. For instance, any private conversation between a SoS and a foreign leader (such as the President of Malawi) is considered top secret upon its creation. A memo summarizing Clinton’s conversation with the President of Malawi should have been treated with more care even if it was incorrectly marked.

Likewise, the CIA has a policy of neither confirming nor denying US participation in drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen. This is done to provide plausible deniability for those governments so that they can claim not to be collaborating with the US. By discussing upcoming drone strikes so cavalierly, Clinton not only endangered our relations with those countries, but she also potentially jeopardized the missions themselves.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 12, 2016 11:32 AM
Comment #407361

WP,
Wrong. It is completely true. It is neither untoward nor illegal. Information may still be classified even if it is improperly marked or not marked at all, as you say, but that does not mean the person sending or receiving it is doing anything wrong, illegal, or untoward if the e-mail is not recognized as classified at the time. Remember, there has to be intent, and that is what was missing all along with the fake e-mail controversy. That is why the analysts and investigators unanimously agreed indictments were inappropriate.

The fake scandal never made sense in the first place, because it assumed HRC and her staff were intentionally compromising national security. They did not. The worst they could be accused of is violating State Department protocol by not recognizing some e-mails should have been marked classified, and even that is arguable; not only that, violating protocol is not illegal.

This fake scandal absorbs bandwidth. It concentrates fire on Hillary Clinton and ignores much worse things going on; for example, Trump is refusing to release his tax returns.
Why is that worse?

Fact: The Florida AG called Trump to solicit a campaign donation. Later, Trump gave a $25,000 campaign donation to the Florida AG as she was debating whether to prosecute the Trump University case, as recommended by her staff. Four days after receiving the donation she decided not to prosecute the Trump University case. The donation was illegal. Trump attempted to conceal it by calling it a charitable donation. He attributed it to a real charity with a similar name. For this, the IRS fined him $2,500.

Trump denied ever speaking with Bondi. This was completely false. She confirmed she spoke with him, and there are pictures of them together. Later, Trump threw a campaign party for her.

Do you see the difference between the two issues? There was nothing illegal about what HRC did, and we have NO EVIDENCE national security was not compromised. With Trump, there was a crime and a fine.

There are many reports of other questionable donations by Trump. We already know at least one was illegal. However, unlike every presidential candidate since Richard Nixon, he will not release his tax returns.


Posted by: phx8 at September 12, 2016 12:24 PM
Comment #407363

I agree it wasn’t illegal, but it was untoward. If an ordinary civil servant had done the same, he would be stripped of his security clearances and in search of a new career. Sure, he wouldn’t be facing criminal prosecution, but that provides me with no solace.

I’m not voting for Trump. Why is his scandal even relevant to me? The man is a walking and talking disaster up to his teeth in conflicts of interest. He is bought and paid for by hostile interests and I am frankly annoyed each time I waste my time discussing him.

Why don’t you tell me about a time Gary Johnson violated protocols or committed an illegal act? Apart from his marijuana dealings, that is.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 12, 2016 1:10 PM
Comment #407367

You should never open any suspicious links on your own personal computer.
Posted by: oraoghaile at September 12, 2016 10:34 AM

Or take many of your comments seriously.

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 12, 2016 2:51 PM
Comment #407368

phx8, I said you should read the article. It’s entire content comes from the FBI reports. She simply catagorized the information and listed it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 12, 2016 6:04 PM
Comment #407369

WP,
Gary Johnson is a good candidate, and so is the Johnson/Weld ticket. I could not care less about a slip-up concerning Aleppo. Marijuana is an irrelevant issue in Oregon, since it is already legal.

I like HRC for her stands on social issues, but I am less comfortable with her hawkishness on foreign policy.

The Libertarian ticket is good on most social issues, but too dovish on foreign policy ones.

The platform on education and especially on treatment of corporation definitely leaves me cold.

But as I have said before, I am a pragmatist. There will never be a candidate that matches my preferences on every issue. The fundamental Libertarian appeal has led me to vote for them in the past, and it may do so again in the future. Over these past few elections Bill Clinton, Obama, and now Hillary Clinton have looked like the best choices. My local Libertarian candidates have been just this side of ridiculous.

If the Green Party would ever get its act together they should be able to appeal to me, but that just hasn’t happened on a national or state level.

Posted by: phx8 at September 12, 2016 8:02 PM
Comment #407370

Phx8,

Great. What about the severe concern regarding Hillary Clinton’s untoward conduct as Secretary of State?

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 12, 2016 8:20 PM
Comment #407371

It looks like phx8 is taking after Hillbilly and is not answering questions.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 12, 2016 8:34 PM
Comment #407372

Oops, my bad. Disregard my error.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 12, 2016 8:35 PM
Comment #407374
What about the severe concern regarding Hillary Clinton’s untoward conduct as Secretary of State? Posted by: Warren Porter at September 12, 2016 8:20 PM

If the GOP manages to keep control of the USHOR, they’re planning to vote to retroactively impeach her as Secretary of State. Odds are now 7-3 that she will be the next POTUS. At this point, the most likely scenario is that she will get 341 electoral votes. A more conservative estimate from another source is 306 electoral votes. HRC has 903 paths to win, Drumpf only 111. She’s going to be the next POTUS.

I’ve been reading Our Man In Charleston, by Christopher Dickey, set in the 1850s, when the UK representative wrote back home about “bigotry and fanaticism unparalleled, I hope, in any other section of the civilized world” that characterized Charleston at that time. Deplorable is still deplorable.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 12, 2016 8:59 PM
Comment #407375

Republican efforts to impeach HRC aren’t going to amount to much. It’s just a pro forma round of chest thumping for the rubes back home. Everyone knows that there aren’t enough votes in the Senate to remove her from office.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 12, 2016 9:07 PM
Comment #407376
If the GOP manages to keep control of the USHOR, they’re planning to vote to retroactively impeach her as Secretary of State.

Where did you get this information, oraoghaile? Please share your source?

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 12, 2016 9:45 PM
Comment #407378

Mo Brooks told the Associated Press he wanted to impeach Clinton: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/a-house-republican-already-wants-to-impeach-hillary-clinton/

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 12, 2016 11:06 PM
Comment #407381

WP,
The Libertarians want to do away with Social Security and taxes on corporations. They want minimal gun control regulations. They have no plan for health care that I would even consider entertaining. They are marginally better than the GOP- at least Libertarians recognize the science behind Global Warming is valid- but their general approach to environmentalism is a non-starter.

And I am supposed to be concerned about HRC’s e-mails?

To put it into Constitutional terms, the Libertarians favored an approach to government that might have made sense two hundred years ago. Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe lost that argument to the Federalists- to Washington, Hamilton, and John Adams- a long time ago, and they lost it for good reason. A strong federal government is the best guarantor of freedoms. Left to the individual states or the free market, the result would be disastrous, as we have already seen in history. The Federal Reserve and the judicious use of debt turned into the cornerstone for turning the United States into an economic powerhouse. The idea that we should punt on that is a really bad one.

Posted by: phx8 at September 13, 2016 12:27 AM
Comment #407383

I quit reading when I got to this:

There’s absolutely no indication that House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) has any appetite whatsoever to undertake that kind of work.

This proves oraoghaile’s comment is false.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2016 12:41 AM
Comment #407385

Phx8,

Again, we dance around the issue. How can I be confident Clinton won’t be so callously indifferent to our laws and protocols going forward? How can I trust her to me the truth when she struggles to disclose a minor diagnosis of pneumonia?

If anyone buy Hillary Clinton were running, I wouldn’t have even dreamed of supporting Johnson.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 13, 2016 10:24 AM
Comment #407387
The Libertarians want to do away with Social Security and taxes on corporations…. A strong federal government is the best guarantor of freedoms. Posted by: phx8 at September 13, 2016 12:27 AM

They are evolving from their origins, but still attract people opposed to being taxed by the federal government. The innumerable local governments are always going to be more of a problem for most Americans. We need a federal government that will protect us from people like the allegedly wealthy real estate developer who is running for POTUS. The Libertarians won’t do that. For Warren Porter, it’s a protest vote, IMO. He doesn’t like Drumpf but won’t vote for HRC because of the “emails”. He doesn’t mind Johnson’s smoking habits, which to me are the most disturbing thing about him, but we all know he’s not going to be elected POTUS, so what does that matter.

Drumpf reminds me of our impeached and imprisoned governor, Blagojevich. I don’t think he plans to be elected, and will deliberately sabotage himself if he comes close. Like Blagojevich, whose main office was at the State of Illinois building in Chicago, Drumpf wouldn’t move into the White House. AFAIK, the plan is for him to stay in his own palaces, and let others do the detailed work in Washington DC. I don’t recall a candidate with as much conflict of interest as this multiple bankrupt humbug. It’s all just a scam to make his family wealthier.

The criticisms of HRC, the pettifogging emails, the foundation, all stem from people who are opposed to doing good. They’re in favor of doing evil instead. HRC was too polite at saying half of Drumpf’s support are from the deplorable basket. It’s more like two-thirds.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 13, 2016 10:44 AM
Comment #407388

WP,
HRC has not broken any laws, and while there may have been “carelessness” about classified information, NONE was compromised.

“How can I trust her to me the truth when she struggles to disclose a minor diagnosis of pneumonia?”

You must be kidding.

WW,
While Congressman Mo Brooks is the only one I know of calling for impeachment of Hillary before she even becomes president, calls for retribution are common among the basket of deplorables. For example, Trump said:

“The amounts involved, the favors done and the significant numbers of times it was done require an expedited investigation by a special prosecutor immediately, immediately, immediately. After the FBI and Department of Justice whitewash of the Clinton email crimes, they certainly cannot be trusted to quickly or impartially investigate Hillary Clinton’s new crimes, which happen all the time.”

This is not the first time. He has also stated he planned on having his AG prosecute Hillary Clinton. This is unprecedented in American politics. Not only is he promising to prosecute his political opponent, he is declaring neither the Justice Department nor the FBI are trustworthy.

In addition, his rally crowds chant “lock her up.” At the convention, his supporters shouted “Guilty” in response to Christie’s accusations. Also at the rallies, there are T-shirts and cries of “Trump the B****.” Those deplorable supporters also say much, much worse, and that is a matter of record.

The other day I say an anti-Hillary article on Facebook. The comments and the sheer hatred of HRC do not bear repeating, but they are not some sort of rare exception. They are common.

Posted by: phx8 at September 13, 2016 11:23 AM
Comment #407389
“How can I trust her to me the truth when she struggles to disclose a minor diagnosis of pneumonia?”

You must be kidding. Posted by: phx8 at September 13, 2016 11:23 AM

HRC will make a better POTUS than any of the other candidates, even if she’s in a wheelchair, like FDR.

Warren Porter, you have a spam comment at the bottom of your most recent national Security article.

Drumpf has apparently been lying to the IRS about “charitable contributions” that he is claiming. People are going through a list of charities, calling them, and finding out the truth. I doubt he’ll ever release the tax returns. Washington Post’s David Fahrenthold

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 13, 2016 11:38 AM
Comment #407394

orao wrote; “He doesn’t mind Johnson’s smoking habits, which to me are the most disturbing thing about him…”

Unbelievable. What basket does Hillary place “smokophobia” in orao?

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 13, 2016 1:42 PM
Comment #407395

“HRC will make a better POTUS than any of the other candidates, even if she’s in a wheelchair, like FDR.” (or in prison like Blagojevich.)

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 13, 2016 1:47 PM
Comment #407397

Speaking of pure evil, there’s Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin, suggesting

that if Democrat Hillary Clinton were elected president, she would set the nation on a dangerous course that might require bloodshed to correct. He told the audience that the “candle” of liberty might go home “on our watch.”

To hammer home his point, he paraphrased a famous quote from Founding Father Thomas Jefferson: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

“Whose blood will be shed? It may be that of those in this room. It might be that of our children and grandchildren. I have nine children. It breaks my heart to think that it might be their blood that is needed to redeem something, to reclaim something that we, through our apathy and our indifference, have given away. Don’t let it happen.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlukBB3Hn1g

Deplorable, Evil, Drumpf Supporter.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 13, 2016 2:26 PM
Comment #407419
HRC has not broken any laws, and while there may have been “carelessness” about classified information

How can we entrust the vast powers of the US Presidency to someone who is so careless?

NONE was compromised.

Comey testified that he lacked evidence that information on Clinton’s server was compromised. Comey also testified that if her server had been compromised, it is unlikely that they could have found any evidence. It is also known without a doubt that a Romanian hacker compromised Sidney Blumenthal’s email account, which included classified information. In the words of Comey, “Hostile actors gained access to the private commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact”.

There is simply no honest way to have any confidence that Clinton’s email server wasn’t compromised. And don’t just take my word for it,

Reading between the lines and following Comey’s logic, it does sound as if the F.B.I. believes a compromise of Clinton’s email is more likely than not,” said Adam Segal, the author of “Hacked World Order,” who studies cyberissues at the Council on Foreign Relations. “Sophisticated attackers would have known of the existence of the account, would have targeted it and would not have been seen.

Writing for vox, Tim B. Lee outlined further concerns with Clinton’s server arrangement:

But the more serious problem with Clinton’s do-it-yourself approach to email isn’t about transparency. It’s about national security. Creating a secure email system is difficult, and it’s unlikely that Clinton’s homebrew email system was as secure as the official email system that would have been provided to her by the State Department.

That means that for four years — years when she was involved in numerous high-stakes negotiations — she was communicating in a way that made it easier for foreign intelligence services to keep tabs on her. We don’t know if any foreign spy agencies took advantage of this opportunity. But it was reckless to give them the opportunity.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 13, 2016 9:59 PM
Comment #407421

As I just posted in the middle column, The second Bush administration “lost” millions of emails on a private server belonging to the RNC. AFAIK, HRC45’s private server was more secure than the State Department.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 13, 2016 10:24 PM
Comment #407437
None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.

~James Comey

Turns out Clinton’s server was less secure than those operated by State or even Google. While it is true that State got hacked despite the extra security, there is zero chance Clinton’s servers would withstand even a cursory attempt at intrusion by a hostile actor. Her security solution amounted to hoping that no one discovered the server even existed.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 14, 2016 2:16 PM
Comment #407438
Her security solution amounted to hoping that no one discovered the server even existed. Posted by: Warren Porter at September 14, 2016 2:16 PM

So Comey and the GOP partisans investigating her had to make sure that hackers would know about that, thus helping reduce security rather than increase it.

News of tomorrow. Newsweek is doing a story on Drumpf’s business connections, deep ties to global financeers, foreign politicians, and criminals, a web of contractual entanglements that could not just be cancelled. “If he is elected and his family receives any benefit from these contractual obligations, every foreign policy decision will raise serious conflicts of interest and ethical quagmires. His business interest will constantly jeopardize US security.”

Colin Powell stated his opinion of Drumpf pretty clearly , “national disgrace” and an “international pariah”. He is mad at HRC45’s email problems, which may bring more light to what was on the private servers in use when he was US Secretary of State.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 14, 2016 2:47 PM
Comment #407440
So Comey and the GOP partisans investigating her had to make sure that hackers would know about that, thus helping reduce security rather than increase it.

Hillary Clinton stopped using the server long before it’s existence was publicized. On the other hand, Comey also tells us:

She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.

This is unbelievably boneheaded. Connecting to the server from a hotel in Moscow or Beijing where she was undoubtedly bugged almost assuredly revealed the server’s existence to our adversaries.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 14, 2016 3:07 PM
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Connecting to the server from a hotel in Moscow or Beijing where she was undoubtedly bugged almost assuredly revealed the server’s existence to our adversaries. Posted by: Warren Porter at September 14, 2016 3:07 PM

So was she emailing about gefilte fish, or publicly available information? I think you are giving too much credit to Beijing and Moscow, and too little to HRC45. You are criticizing her for being a weak woman. Would you say anything like this at all about Colin Powell?

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 14, 2016 3:27 PM
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Hillbilly admitted she made a mistake. She admitted she did it for her convenience. She knew what she was doing, although doesn’t remember it. She admitted that also!

What more will it take for the left to see this woman is not presidential material.

You’d have hung GWBush upside down on a cross in the Rose Garden if he’d have followed the same track.

You’re ready to do it to Colon Powell now!

Why not Hillbilly?


Posted by: Weary Willie at September 14, 2016 4:42 PM
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But it was reckless to give them the opportunity.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 13, 2016 9:59 PM

Yes it certainly was. When top government officials are so paranoid about the public becoming aware of their affairs that they resort to recklessness concerning our nation’s security it is cause for criminal charges being filed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 14, 2016 5:26 PM
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So the Russian hackers are apparently bored with HRC45, and have moved on to olympic athletes and others instead.

How International Hackers Operate | MSNBC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Vt3WpDzRY

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 14, 2016 5:35 PM
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So was she emailing about gefilte fish, or publicly available information? I think you are giving too much credit to Beijing and Moscow, and too little to HRC45. You are criticizing her for being a weak woman. Would you say anything like this at all about Colin Powell?

Colin Powell is likewise disqualified from the Presidency. As for the contents of her email, details concerning upcoming drone strikes is certainly information that should not be in the hands of Russia or China. Same goes for a summary of a private conversation she had with the President of Malawi. That said, we all know that when it comes to classified information, one does not need to prove that anything was actually compromised in order to demonstrate wrongdoing. For instance, nothing David Petraeus shared with his mistress ever ended up in an adversary’s hands, but that does not exonerate him for what he did.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 14, 2016 8:45 PM
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Colin Powell is likewise disqualified from the Presidency. …one does not need to prove that anything was actually compromised in order to demonstrate wrongdoing. Posted by: Warren Porter at September 14, 2016 8:45 PM

Thank you for assuming the office of Disqualifier In Chief. I was not aware that any such thing existed. Are you James Comey’s boss? He doesn’t seem to agree with you. Maybe BHO44 is going over your head and pulling all the strings. I said years ago that there was some connection between BHO and Fitzgerald’s office in Chicago. Maybe he knew Comey from there. HRC45 explained the security measures that she took when using email overseas. Why are you unable to believe her? You seem determined to believe that American officials are dumbbells, while foreign intelligence operatives are all geniuses.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 14, 2016 9:58 PM
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Wrongdoing does not equal unlawful. James Comey himself has said that if one of his employees did anything similar to what Hillary Clinton did, there would be repercussions for that person. Namely, the individual’s security clearances and career would be in jeopardy. No one with an ounce of integrity would simply look the other way as you suggest we do.

HRC45 explained the security measures that she took when using email overseas.
I’ve never encountered a statement from Clinton claiming that she took sophisticated measures to prevent adversaries from snooping on her Blackberry when she was overseas.
Why are you unable to believe her? You seem determined to believe that American officials are dumbbells

For months, I defended Hillary Clinton on this very website. Do you want me to dig out my articles from last year out of the archive? And after all that, it is revealed that some of the information on her server was classified at the time it was transmitted despite her claims to the contrary. That definitely did a lot to embolden my trust in her.

Likewise, the FBI investigation indicates that Hillary Clinton is a complete nincompoop when it comes to technology. Now, this would not be a problem if she had exercised good judgement and hired someone competent to advise her. But sadly, such judgement was lacking and she ended up engaging in extraordinarily risk behavior.

We need to expect more from our public officials and stop making excuses out of mere partisanship. Both major parties of nominated terribly flawed candidates. Trump may be 100x worse but that does not redeem Clinton for her sins. This is especially true when a man with much more integrity is on the ballot in all 50 states.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 14, 2016 10:30 PM
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I’ve never encountered a statement from Clinton claiming that she took sophisticated measures to prevent adversaries from snooping on her Blackberry when she was overseas. Posted by: Warren Porter at September 14, 2016 10:30 PM

At the Commander in Chief forum, she described using something like this:

http://www.faradaytents.com/

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 14, 2016 10:50 PM
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Here is Clinton’s statement from the forum:

I communicated about classified material on a wholly separate system. I took it very seriously. When I traveled, I went into one of those little tents that I’m sure you’ve seen around the world because we didn’t want there to be any potential for someone to have embedded a camera to try to see whatever it is that I was seeing that was designated, marked, and headed as classified.

Clearly, she is talking about the State Department’s specialized network for classified information, not her personal blackberry habits. Comey suggests that her use of the Blackberry while overseas gave sophisticated adversaries ample opportunity to learn of her email server’s existence and compromise it.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 14, 2016 11:16 PM
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There you go again, Disqualifier in Chief. It’s not clear at all to me that she’s not talking about her blackberry habits. I thought that was exactly what she was talking about.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 14, 2016 11:37 PM
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Let me add some emphasis:

I communicated about classified material on a wholly separate system. I took it very seriously. When I traveled, I went into one of those little tents that I’m sure you’ve seen around the world because we didn’t want there to be any potential for someone to have embedded a camera to try to see whatever it is that I was seeing that was designated, marked, and headed as classified.

Nothing Clinton did on her phone was “designated, marked and headed as classified” because things of that nature were transmitted using a “wholly separate system”. Obviously, she is not talking about her blackberry here, but rather about the “wholly separate system” used to securely transmit information “that was designated, marked and headed as classified”.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 14, 2016 11:50 PM
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It’s funny that, in my last post, I deleted the part of my remarks saying that repeating something doesn’t make it more truthful, or a better argument. Again, you seem to be claiming knowledge of things that I don’t think you know.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 15, 2016 12:28 AM
Comment #407473
I deleted the part of my remarks saying that repeating something doesn’t make it more truthful, or a better argument. Again, you seem to be claiming knowledge of things that I don’t think you know.

Speak for yourself. Ad nauseum, you and phx8 repeat that she didn’t break the law even though that isn’t what I allege. My point is that she behaved like a total amateur when it came to this matter and I think this makes her forfeit her claim of being the “most qualified” candidate for the Presidency.

Anyway, you keep dodging the issue. She went into the tent to use a “wholly separate system” to view material “that was designated, marked, and headed as classified.” Is her blackberry “wholly separate” from itself, that is absurd. Did she view material “that was designated, marked, and headed as classified.” on her Blackberry? Of course not. Clearly, these sentences do not refer to her Blackberry habits overseas, but rather her experience communicating over the State Dept’s secure cable system.

Now, I guess it is true that I do not know any better, it could be that Hillary is lying about everything and that she did indeed keep her phone off unless it was brought into the Faraday cage, but Occam’s razor tells me to eliminate that possibility.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 15, 2016 2:31 AM
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My point is that she behaved like a total amateur when it came to this matter and I think this makes her forfeit her claim of being the “most qualified” candidate for the Presidency. Posted by: Warren Porter at September 15, 2016 2:31 AM

And Gary Johnson if more qualified? What do you even know about him? More guns. Less taxes. More smoking. What’s Aleppo? BHO44 has stated that no man or woman is more qualified than HRC45, very dedicated, “smart and savvy and tough”, a team player, a patriot, intelligent, diplomatic, disciplined, persuasive, and a hard-working non-quitter. He has worked with her for six years, but somehow you know more about her than he does.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 15, 2016 10:51 AM
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Gary Johnson successfully governed a state for two terms. He negotiated with a legislature from another party in order to get things done. This is not something Hillary Clinton has accomplished. Of course Obama is in the tank for her; they are from the same party after all.

Personally, I do not mind the libertarian platform all that much. If this is a surprise to you, then you haven’t understood a subtle undertone in many of my comments. For years, I’ve debated gun control with Watchblog conservatives, but I’ve never been afraid of “more guns”. I just seek an honest understanding of the fact that “more guns” means more crime. If Americans are willing to pay that price to protect their precious firearms, then I really can’t stand in the way of that, now can I? The same can be said about taxes. I have defended progressive taxation because I think it is fair, but soaking the rich has never been my goal. While I do think the “fair tax” would be a disaster, I do like the emphasis libertarians put on taxing consumption rather than income. Hopefully this can be leveraged into support for a carbon tax down the road.

Personally, I view climate change is an issue 1000x more important than any squabbling over antipoverty programs. The fact that Johnson has indicated openness to a carbon tax is a big game changer. There’s no way Democrats will be able to get a carbon tax passed by themselves before 2020 because gerrymandering has ensured GOP dominance in Congress. Only a Libertarian President can give Republicans the political cover they would need to avoid the scorn of the likes of Grover Norquist.

Anyway, I see you have still managed to dodge my concerns regarding Hillary Clinton’s email habits. You allege that she took her blackberry into a Faraday tent even though I demonstrated that conclusion is not a fair reading of her words from the Commander-in-Chief forum.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 15, 2016 12:52 PM
Comment #407483
You allege that she took her blackberry into a Faraday tent even though I demonstrated that conclusion is not a fair reading of her words from the Commander-in-Chief forum. Posted by: Warren Porter at September 15, 2016 12:52 PM

You haven’t demonstrated anything to me other than stating your opinion. My opinion of HRC45 is the same as BHO44’s opinion. He makes sense because he’s talking about his experience in the real world. Emails aren’t the be all and end all of a candidate’s qualifications. Ultimately, in elections, you have to pick a side. HRC45 has flaws, as we all do, but ultimately, she is the least flawed of the candidates. I hope Johnson does well. He’ll help HRC to get elected.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 15, 2016 1:54 PM
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“Wholly separate system” isn’t a matter of personal opinion or interpretation. It is what it is, and it isn’t her blackberry.

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