Philadelphia: What Is There Left for Hillary to Say?

What. In the world. Is there possibly left to say? In Philadelphia Thursday night as Hillary Clinton finally takes her turn. They have all been to bat. The Dem Major League Hitters: Hit-it-out-of-park Michelle; Mr. Balk-&-Slide-Around-Anything Bill; I’m-Stlll-Swinging-Back-to-the-Dugout Bernie; I’ve-endured-more-than-most Joe Biden; and Barack We’ve-Still-Got-Lots-To-Do Obama.

And Hillary is now not only America's First Mom and Steady Hand Commander, but she's also the Pinch Hitter? Bases loaded and two runners out?

There's only one answer. To her fans in the Wells Fargo arena, it doesn't matter what she says Thursday night. It's all been said for her. She just has to pick and choose from the buffet laid out for her. Which is fine for those pumped up Democrat voters who already will support her in November.

But will it be enough? With Bernie supporters? With independents? Clearly Michael Bloomberg did her a favor in his speech earlier Wednesday night, by attacking Trump with a New Yorker's no-nonsense put downs. The crowd loved it - even if they cheerfully boo'ed Bloomberg's criticism of Democrat positions on education. Will independents around the country be convinced by the billionaire? The one with nearly 50 billion dollars to his world-famous name?

And despite the carefully planned surprise entrance of The Hillary herself as Barack strode around the stage soaking up the cheers, Obama has bound Hillary to his agenda. As tightly as he can for a lame-duck president. As has Bernie Sanders with his pushing of the policy platform way left.

How does Hillary climb out of the dugout and swing convincingly enough to build momentum coming out of the convention? What can she say? Especially when nearly three quarters of America believes the nation is headed the wrong way? And she's been handed the baton by someone pointing that same way for her to follow? How can she balance between her husband's (and her) legacy and Obama's agenda? And Bernie's demands?

How can Hillary throw off all those decades of baggage in one speech? She can't of course. But if she is to convince America, she has to try. Good luck with that.

Posted by Keeley at July 28, 2016 6:49 PM
Comments
Comment #406476

She actually did an ok job.
She pandered to her liberal base and the extremist progressive nut-wing. She mentioned the same leftist lies about racism, bigotry, sexism, hatred etc… She promised government ‘freebies.’ She was able to state her anti 2nd Amendment views without giving the Republicans even more soundbites to use against her. And she pretended to care about us little people.
She played it really safe and will get the normal bounce in the polls.

Shoot, if the left wasn’t ignoring illegal immigration and muslim terrorist problems, and attacking to destroy the 2nd Amendment, she would be up by 20 or 30 points in every poll.

Posted by: kctim at July 29, 2016 10:34 AM
Comment #406478

After 3 days of democratic convention with no sign of national patriotism or flying flags; last night the hand held flags were passed out. Flags were waved with shouts of “USA, USA”. When it’s done at the republican convention, the media condemned it as false patriotism, but the last night of the DNC was oh so great. Who, in their right mind, believes the democrats are patriots? When the 4 star general spoke, they drowned him out with “no more war, no more war”, when the woman cop called for a moment of silence for fallen cops they drowned her out with “black lives matter, black lives matter”. When democrats use the patriot theme, it is false. Democrats hate America and believe America is evil.

Hillary’s speech; just rehashed bs that has been heard so many times before. One expert stated that after the great speeches by all the great people about how great Hillary Clinton is; Hillary’s speech rated about fifth in the list of speeches. As with all other speech makers; they believe nothing they say. It’s all a lie. Hillary speaks of getting tough on wall street, but Hillary’s support comes from Wall Street. She will get “0” bounce from this anti-American conference.

Posted by: Visitor at July 29, 2016 12:33 PM
Comment #406481

The best convention I have ever seen. The speeches were terrific, with the best of day 4 coming from General Allen and Khan. (Mrs. Phx8 liked Hillary’s speech the best. It will be interesting to see how men and women process it). For those of you who watched the convention on FOX, you missed Khan’s speech.

“While CNN and MSNBC aired the video and Khan’s speech in full, Fox News’ The Kelly File instead continued with its regular commentary featuring Brit Hume, then went to commercial as the speech began, showing slightly more than two minutes of the speech in a small window as commercials — including a Benghazi attack ad — overplayed it.”
Media Matters

FOX intentionally ran commercials over one of the best from a previous day, Mothers of the Movement.

Switching between cable channels was interesting. I thought CNN was the best. MSNBC was relatively weak. FOX was terrible. FOX seemed dedicated to trashing the Democrats.

Why was the Democratic Convention so good?

First, it was very optimistic, and while they directed a couple speeches and comments at Trump, most of the speeches were optimistic and very many were very moving- I’ve never seen so many good speeches in one convention. (I missed Biden, Kaine, Bloomberg, and a few others, but saw Obama knock it out of the park). The party reached out, again and again, beyond the Democratic base to independents and moderate Republicans.

Second, the contrast between the optimism of the Democrats and the pessimism of the Republicans was stark. The Democrats looked like they were celebrating ‘morning in America.’ The audience was inclusive and looked like an ordinary gathering of American people. The speakers were better, the celebrities better, and they just kept it up for four days. The Republicans were profoundly dark. The audience was nearly all white. They chanted ‘lock her up’ over and over. It looked like a scary allegory from the Twilight Zone. Rudy Giuliani contorted his face and curled his hands in hate as he denounced Hillary. Christie led a mock trial and had the crowd chanting ‘guilty.’ Wow, was that ugly. Did he get around to asking if they were ready to burn Goody Hillary? Yikes! And as many people have already observed, Trump’s acceptance speech was probably the darkest ever given at a convention. There was no outreach to others beyond the base.

Finally, the drama worked for the Democrats and against the Republicans. The Democrats began facing a cyber attack from the Russians that resulted in a lot of anger among Sanders supporters and the resignation of the person in charge of the DNC, DWS. But Sanders gave a ringing speech for Hillary and nominated her. The party came together, and it grew stronger as the convention progressed.

If you watched FOX, you saw endless coverage of the small group of Sanders supporters outside the convention, and a lot of focus on a couple of people who changed ‘no more war.’ I didn’t even hear them, but apparently there were a couple.

The Republican convention was just the opposite. Several delegations walked out. Cruz finished by refusing to endorse Trump. It was a disaster.

Watch the polls in the next few days!

Posted by: phx8 at July 29, 2016 3:29 PM
Comment #406483
After 3 days of democratic convention with no sign of national patriotism or flying flags
How many times will I have to refute this false talking point? Posted by: Warren Porter at July 29, 2016 3:55 PM
Comment #406484
if the left wasn’t ignoring illegal immigration and muslim terrorist problems, and attacking to destroy the 2nd Amendment, she would be up by 20 or 30 points in every poll.

If HRC pandered to the white nationalists like you suggest, then she’d lose the support of the Obama coalition.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 29, 2016 4:02 PM
Comment #406486

The Obama coalition; meaning BLM, Hispanics, illegals, planned parenthood, LGBT, socialist and communists. Have I missed anyone?

Posted by: Visitor at July 29, 2016 4:28 PM
Comment #406487

Darn…what a disappointment that Hillary did not treat us to her rendition of Southern dialect “black-speech”. “I ain’t nowise tired…”

She did plagiarize Alexis de Tocqueville a little with the “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.”

Sure wish she would have shared these de Tocqueville quotes as well…

““The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”

“Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom, socialism restricts it. Democracy attaches all possible value to each man; socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”

“Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 29, 2016 4:29 PM
Comment #406488

Interesting…at least to me.

The Council for Citizens Against Government Waste (CCAGW) this month released its historical ratings for Vice Presidential contenders Gov. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) and Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.). CCAGW’s annual Congressional Ratings evaluate how members of the House and Senate vote on important tax, spending, transparency, and accountability measures.

Gov. Pence served in the House of Representatives from 2001-2013. During that time, he earned a lifetime CCAGW rating of 94 percent. In 2009, then-Rep. Pence was one of only seven representatives who earned a 100 percent rating, making him a Taxpayer Super Hero. When he left Congress, he was tied for the highest lifetime rating of the Indiana delegation. Noted CCAGW President Tom Schatz, Gov. Pence “was chairman of the House Republican Study Committee from 2005-2007, where he consistently crafted fiscally conservative budget proposals that were supported by CCAGW.”

Sen. Kaine has served in the Senate since 2013. He holds a lifetime CCAGW rating of 7 percent, making him one of the Senate’s most “hostile” members toward taxpayers. In 2014, Sen. Kaine earned a dismal zero percent rating. CCAGW President Tom Schatz said, “Sen. Kaine has spent his time in the Senate supporting the big-spending agenda of President Obama, so he makes for an ideal running mate for the fiscally reckless Hillary Clinton.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 29, 2016 4:36 PM
Comment #406490

CCAGW is a lobbying front for corporations. According to the St Pete Times, they accepted $245,000 from the tobacco industry and went to bat for them several times. Mike Pence would be right at home with those guys.

Remember Jack Abramoff? He testified about groups like CCAGW violating their tax-exempt status in 2006, shortly before he went to prison.

If CCAGW does not like Kaine, that is a badge of honor. Well done, Tim!

Posted by: phx8 at July 29, 2016 5:13 PM
Comment #406491

Cross posted, but relevant to this thread:

“Conservative Iowa radio host Steve Deace:

So most of conservative media and the GOP spent the week rooting for Russia, and now the Democrats get to rally around the flag.

Dreadful.”

As quoted on HuffPo

That might have been the worst week for the GOP since they shut down the government.

Posted by: phx8 at July 29, 2016 5:15 PM
Comment #406492

Tim Kaine has revealed his “bend with the wind” spineless, capitulation to political pressure and his desire for high public office.

Hillary Clinton said; “”Because if we have a right, and I think people have a right to health… but certainly the full range of reproductive health rights that women should have includes access to safe and legal abortion…”

When asked by a Weekly Standard reporter as recently as early July about the Democratic platform including strong anti-Hyde language, Kaine said, “I haven’t been informed of that change, but I’m going to check it out. I have traditionally been a supporter of the Hyde Amendment, but I’ll check it out.”

In comments this week to CNN and Bloomberg News, the Clinton campaign has signaled that Kaine now had indeed checked it out and stands with Clinton on public funding of abortion.

Conservatives believe the medical community should never be used to kill people…the unborn or the elderly and infirm.

“We believe that the Hyde Amendment has proven itself to be the greatest domestic abortion reduction law ever enacted by Congress,” the National Right to Life Committee’s Douglas Johnson testified. Citing data showing that a quarter of women who wanted abortions carried to term because of inability to pay, Johnson said, “It means that well over one million Americans are walking around alive today because of the Hyde Amendment.”

Perhaps if the liberal/socialist community stopped killing their own progeny, their unnatural desire for more illegal immigration would be curtailed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 29, 2016 5:38 PM
Comment #406493

Overall, I think the male speakers did better than the female speakers, including HRC45. She seemed to be thrown off by Bernie’s Rugrats doing whatever they were doing. The diversity of the delegates and speakers was only noteworthy because of the lack of diversity at the other convention. I live in a diverse community, so the convention looked like reality to me.

HRC should win easily. She’s running against a dumber, less articulate version of Nixon. The main effort should be getting control of the Senate. I don’t know if getting control of the USHOR is possible, but it could fall into place with a large enough landslide.

Posted by: oraoghaile at July 29, 2016 5:44 PM
Comment #406496

phx8 wishes to trash CAGW by citing donations accepted from the tobacco industry rather than address the weenie-washy Tim Kaine. He’s just another “I was against it before I was for it” kind of fickle low life politician.

Well…let’s look a little deeper then if that is so important to x8er.

CAGW has “received funding from:

Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation
Merrill Lynch & Company Foundation
Exxon Corporation (now ExxonMobil)
Ingersoll-Rand Company
Johnson & Johnson
F.M. Kirby Foundation
Philip Morris
RJR Nabisco (now part of the Altria Group)
Sears Roebuck & Company[9]

Others listed include:

John Deere Foundation
Eaton Charitable Fund
Columbia/HCA Foundation

However, CRC’s database generally does not record direct corporate contributions as distinct from grants from corporate foundations.

A few examples of tobacco industry donations to CAGW:

Philip Morris
1995, $50,000 [10]
1996, $50,000 [11]
1997, $50,000 [12]
1998, $35,000 [13]
1999, $10,000 (budgeted) [14]
The Tobacco Institute
1999, $10,000 (budgeted) [15]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Citizens_Against_Government_Waste

phx8 needs to provide a link for his claim…”CCAGW violating their tax-exempt status in 2006”

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 29, 2016 6:01 PM
Comment #406498

“A Senate Finance Committee investigating ties between CAGW and other non-profits and Jack Abramoff in 2006 stated in a report that the non-profits: ‘probably violated their tax-exempt status “by laundering payments and then disbursing funds at Mr. Abramoff’s direction; taking payments in exchange for writing newspaper columns or press releases that put Mr. Abramoff’s clients in a favorable light; introducing Mr. Abramoff’s clients to government officials in exchange for payment; and agreeing to act as a front organization for congressional trips paid for by Mr. Abramoff’s clients.”
Wikipedia

The quote originally comes from a WaPo article on Abramoff:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/12/AR2006101200889_pf.html

Posted by: phx8 at July 29, 2016 6:56 PM
Comment #406499

From phx8’s direct quote above please notice the use of the words; “probably violated”…

From phx8’s link to the WP.

“Five conservative nonprofit organizations, including one run by prominent Republican Grover Norquist, “appear to have perpetrated a fraud”…

“Citizens Against Government Waste said the group did not abuse its tax status…”

I will declare that I have entirely disposed of phx8’s rant against CAGW and exposed his efforts as mere camouflage for the weak-willed Tim Kaine who has revealed his “bend with the wind” spineless, capitulation to political pressure and his desire for high public office in reversing his stand on the Hyde Amendment.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 29, 2016 7:18 PM
Comment #406501

How exactly were the budgets of the 2000s that Pence helped craft any better than today’s budgets? When Pence entered Congress, we had a projected multi-trillion dollar surplus and within a few years all that had disappeared. I understand CAGW gives him brownie points for his attempts to deepen the most recent recession, but that is just an example of their partisanship.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 29, 2016 9:31 PM
Comment #406507

Royal Flush

“She did plagiarize Alexis de Tocqueville a little with the “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” “

Bullshit!

“These lines are uplifting and poetic. They are also spurious. Nowhere do they appear in Democracy in America, or anywhere else in Tocqueville.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-tocqueville-fraud/article/8100

You guys should do a bit of research now and again instead of just trusting your same old tired sources.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 30, 2016 9:23 AM
Comment #406510

Poor intellect challenged Rocky. Please tell us who she did plagiarize? Surely even you don’t believe these words were original Hillary!

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2016 12:41 PM
Comment #406511

Rocky, With a little bit of Googleing you will see that Alexis de Tocqueville did say that. Try the book of Quotes. It took me exactly 30 seconds to find it by googleing Who said America is great because she is good.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2016 12:48 PM
Comment #406512

The IRS has almost never fully enforced the Johnson Amendment, which the new Republican Party platform calls for getting rid of. The language of the platform is:

“Places of worship for the first time in our history have reason to fear the loss of tax-exempt status merely for espousing and practicing traditional religious beliefs that have been held across the world for thousands of years, and for almost four centuries in America. We value the right of America’s religious leaders to preach, and Americans to speak freely, according to their faith. Republicans believe the federal government, specifically the IRS, is constitutionally prohibited from policing or censoring speech based on religious convictions or beliefs, and therefore we urge the repeal of the Johnson Amendment.”

I applaud Mr. Trump and those on the platform committee for the call to end this anti-liberty and anti-freedom legislation.

http://dailysignal.com/2016/07/22/a-pastor-fights-against-government-restrictions-on-political-sermons/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Top5&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTXpBek9EYzROV0l5T0RkbSIsInQiOiJPSUVGXC9LNGZ4UXlRZDhQTmFMc2Y1VFE2THV2U3NsUTBUejdPRzljUjltTVJkYnR3Q1o3OFVtWGhcL0k0dkVtWTZLcDZiekRrNXB4ejR0NTdVeGY1eDlpQnR4WG90amQrYXRubVArZXRDbDZrPSJ9

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2016 12:58 PM
Comment #406513

The Democrat Party platform calls for repeal of The Hyde Amendment, in effect since 1976, prohibiting the use of federal money for most abortions.

“We will continue to oppose—and seek to overturn—federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion, including by repealing the Hyde Amendment.”

I find it fascinating that one party wishes to protect our religious and free speech freedoms and another wishes to burden taxpayers for elective surgery (abortion) by repealing long standing legislation.

Just imagine the twisted logic that would declare that since I, as a taxpayer, do not wish to pay for elective surgery (abortion) I am “impeding” a woman’s right to medical treatment.

One platform plank is based upon our Constitutional rights and the freedom of religion; while the other wishes to expand medical killing (abortion) by having taxpayers pay for it.

http://dailysignal.com/2016/07/25/how-democrats-came-to-embrace-taxpayer-funded-abortions/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Top5&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTXpBek9EYzROV0l5T0RkbSIsInQiOiJPSUVGXC9LNGZ4UXlRZDhQTmFMc2Y1VFE2THV2U3NsUTBUejdPRzljUjltTVJkYnR3Q1o3OFVtWGhcL0k0dkVtWTZLcDZiekRrNXB4ejR0NTdVeGY1eDlpQnR4WG90amQrYXRubVArZXRDbDZrPSJ9

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2016 1:11 PM
Comment #406514

Royal Flush,

“Poor intellect challenged Rocky. Please tell us who she did plagiarize? Surely even you don’t believe these words were original Hillary!”

Did you bother to read the link?

It’s been used by Eisenhower, Reagan, Buchanan, Bill Clinton, etc, etc. Shall we say that each plagiarized the quote? Are we to assume that each of these speakers actually even wrote the speeches that contained the lines?

Apparently it first appeared in print in a religious text in 1941, and it wasn’t from de Tocqueville.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 30, 2016 1:20 PM
Comment #406515

“Shall we say that each plagiarized the quote?”

Yes, my point has been made…thanks.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2016 1:29 PM
Comment #406516

phx8

You said Obama hit it out of the park. It must have been a little league park. What you saw was a ground ball that was a put out. Obama could not hit anything worth while.

Some of those statements above are so off the mark. You lefties could not even qualify to writing good comedy. The closest is ho ho and ho hum.

Posted by: tom humes at July 30, 2016 1:31 PM
Comment #406517


“Yes, my point has been made…thanks.”

So what you’re saying is that you’d rather be wrong and look really silly than just admit you’re wrong and take a few lumps.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 30, 2016 1:39 PM
Comment #406518

Wrong? Hillary plagiarized in her speech.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2016 1:42 PM
Comment #406519


What makes this an actual hoot is that you apparently refuse to accept the “Weekly Standard” as a source of fact.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 30, 2016 1:45 PM
Comment #406520

Rocky, I would rather accept 10 google links that said Alexis de Tocqueville did then the 1 (Weekly Standard) that says he didn’t.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2016 1:51 PM
Comment #406521

tom humes,
First post DNC poll out, Hillary up 15 points. Poll showed her up five prior, now up 15. It is on an online poll, so take it with a grain of salt. If more polls show similar numbers, take it to the bank.

Trump played to a rabid base and no one else. To moderate Republicans and Democrats it looked really, really ugly. People chanted ‘lock her up.’ I don’t think you all realize how ugly that looks to the vast majority of Americans. They shouted ‘guilty’ during a Christie speech that turned into a bizarre and very uncomfortable, un-American show trial.

And then, during the DNC convention, Trump looked into the camera and asked “Russia, if you’re listenting,” to attack Hillary for him. Holy cow!

The Democrats stressed inclusiveness. They openly appealed to moderate Republicans through a former Reagan speech writer and Mayor Bloomberg. All those people the rabid base has dismissed as RINO’s are being invited into the Democratic Party, and some will join- at least for this election’s presidential ticket.

Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2016 2:01 PM
Comment #406522

“Rocky, I would rather accept 10 google links that said Alexis de Tocqueville did then the 1 (Weekly Standard) that says he didn’t.”

And Kap that’s just freaking hysterical.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 30, 2016 2:05 PM
Comment #406523

Back to the convention, I think it was an overall exercise in feelgood politics, in stark opposition to all the negativity of the Haterade Convention. The other guys have a divisive strategy. I go around my suburban town, and I see all the varieties of people that I saw at the convention, and we are all better together.

Posted by: oraoghaile at July 30, 2016 2:06 PM
Comment #406524

The Hillary Recession

“This economy may be perilously close to recession. That was the message of the second-quarter real GDP report and its meager 1.2 percent growth rate.

Over the past year, real GDP has slipped to a paltry 1.2 percent. Business investment continues to fall. Building and factory construction has dropped sharply. Productivity is flat.

And what’s the Hillary Clinton plan? Tax us into prosperity.

Let me get this right. In order to spur growth, Hillary intends to raise taxes on individuals, businesses, capital gains, stock trading and firms that move overseas (which they do because the U.S. has the most uncompetitive tax system in the corporate world). In addition, Hillary’s door is open for a carbon tax, higher payroll taxes, and a gun tax of 25 percent.

Obama’s seven-year recovery averaged 2.1 percent real growth at an annualized rate. For historical comparison, after seven years, JFK’s economy increased by 5.4 percent yearly and Reagan’s by 4.5 percent.

Trump wants to reduce tax rates and regulations, unleash energy, and make America the most hospitable investment destination in the world. Hillary wants to raise taxes, regulations, and spending, and put the energy sector out of business. (She would abolish coal and oil-and-gas fracking.)

No wonder the blue-collar, hard-hat, Democratic middle class is going for Trump.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/07/30/the_hillary_recession_131379.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2016 2:12 PM
Comment #406525
They openly appealed to moderate Republicans through a former Reagan speech writer and Mayor Bloomberg. All those people the rabid base has dismissed as RINO’s are being invited into the Democratic Party, and some will join- at least for this election’s presidential ticket. Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2016 2:01 PM

I thought Bloomberg was pretty impressive, although not that great of a speaker. I don’t know if his presence irritated Bernie’s supporters. I want to re-quote this from HuffPo:

I will not contribute my name, my work or my character to an utterly indefensible cause. No sensible adult demands moral purity from a political party, but conscience is meaningless without constraints. A party willing to lend its collective capital to Donald Trump has entered a compromise beyond any credible threshold of legitimacy. There is no redemption in being one of the “good Nazis.”

I hereby resign my position as a York Township Republican committeeman. My 30-year tenure as a Republican is over.

It’s pretty telling when a lifelong Rpblcn describes Drumpf’s followers as “good Nazis”. I hope the 15 point spread holds or increases. The American people need to come out and tell the Rplcns that this kind of nonsense is not acceptable.

Posted by: oraoghalie at July 30, 2016 2:27 PM
Comment #406526

Obama’s Economic Recovery Is Now $2.2 Trillion Below Average

“The real problem is that under President Obama’s economic stewardship, the economy has grown far more slowly than it did in any of the previous 10 economic recoveries since World War II.

What this means in terms of wealth and prosperity can easily be seen when you compare the actual results under Obama to the average results of those previous recoveries.

What it shows is that, had Obama’s recovery — which is now in its 28th quarter — been as robust as the average of the past 10 recoveries, the nation’s economy would be $2.2 trillion — with a “t’ — bigger than it is today. That translates into more than $17,000 per household. (It’s worth noting that many of those previous recoveries had suffered a subsequent recession 28 quarters after they started, so Obama is doing worse despite the current recovery’s longevity.)

In other words, if Obama’s recovery had merely been average, millions of people who are unemployed today would be working and paying taxes instead of worrying and collecting benefits. There would be millions fewer stuck in poverty today, and millions fewer dependent on food stamps and other government programs to get by.”

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obamas-economic-growth-gap-now-tops-2-2-trillion/

It will be tragic indeed should the electorate vote for four mores years of failing progressive and socialist policies.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2016 2:27 PM
Comment #406527

Sorry about the coding in my previous post. This part wasn’t part of the quote from the York Township Rpblcn Committeeman:

It’s pretty telling when a 30 year Rpblcn describes Drumpf’s followers as “good Nazis”. I hope the 15 point spread holds or increases. The American people need to come out and tell the Rplcns that their nonsense is not acceptable.

York Township includes most of Elmhurst, Oak Brook, Villa Park, Lombard, and parts of other communities. Elmhurst is the closest suburb to Chicago that is outside of Cook County. My great uncle and aunt moved there in the 1950s when he worked for Sears, because there was a direct railroad link to the old Sears corporate headquarters on Arthington in Chicago.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 30, 2016 2:41 PM
Comment #406528

So, RF, you are arguing for faster growth, even if it results in a recession sooner? Even if it results in inflation and higher interest rates? You favor boom and bust, versus slow but steady growth?

It seems the markets disagree. The stock market continues setting new records, inflation is low, interest rates are low, the dollar is strong, and construction is booming. We are at full employment, and extending the all time record for consecutive months of private sector growth. We are also near a record for the longest period without a recession.

Funny how you jump on the occasional single report that comes in below expectations, but ignore all the beats.

Hope you didn’t listen to your “financial advisor” a few months ago who told you the financial situation resembled 2008. That was bad advice. That would have cost you a lot of money if you listened. Hope you have a better advisor now.

Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2016 2:47 PM
Comment #406529

phx8’s starting questions for me all contain; “even if’s”. My two posts immediately above both contain and report real data.

He then give his usual recitation of what’s so great about the Obama economy despite how few Americans are better off. He favors the rich and dismisses the average and poor Americans.

A Hillary administration will be as bad for this nations economy as has Obama’s.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2016 2:57 PM
Comment #406530

“He favors the rich and dismisses the average and poor Americans.”

Really? Last I checked, Trump advocates a huge tax cut for the richest of the rich.

Are few Americans better off? A strong stock market means 401k’s recovered their value from the crash at the end of the Bush administration, and in many cases, more than doubled.

A recovery of the housing market means people recovered their equity, and then some. Low interest rates mean mortgages are more affordable for first time buyers.

Low inflation acts as an unseen tax on the poor. It has not been a factor under the Obama administration.

And the idea that the GOP will “unleash energy” is laughable. Have you been living under a rock? Oil prices peaked in 2006. Under Obama, energy prices are the lowest they have been in a long time, and they are dropping even more right now. I mean, right now. Literally.

Full employment- that is, an unemployment rate under 5%- obviously benefits the middle class and the poor. We continue to add jobs in the private sector, a big contrast to the Bush administration, which depended on adding jobs in the public sector.

Comparing today’s economy with the economy of thirty, forty, or fifty years ago will not provide you with any useful information. We can’t do away with the advances in technology or globalization. We can’t go back. As Obama and Hillary said, we are great right now, and we can be even better, but going backwards to ‘make America great again’ is simply not an option.

Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2016 3:25 PM
Comment #406531

The basic point for me is that Drumpf and the Rplcns just don’t share my values, or value the things that I value at all. They lie, and their robotic followers just repeat their lies. You can point out the truth, but it doesn’t matter, because there’s always another lie to tell. They make up fictional stories about real people, and always keep adding more to the same story, even after it’s been exposed as fiction. It’s like they’re writing fan fiction about their enemies. Just the fact that they need enemies says quite enough about them and their hostile attitude towards the world.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 30, 2016 3:30 PM
Comment #406532

phx8 writes; “As Obama and Hillary said, we are great right now…”

My friend, that sounds a little like the Carter defeatism line that lost hugely to Reagan.

Carter tried to convince voters that the US had experienced its best days and would have to accept a declining economy. We all know what happened.

Limping along at lower than 2% annual GPD growth may be just fine for Obama, Hillary, phx8 and all their dispirited and disillusions followers, however we conservatives and a majority of Americans know that we can do much better if government gets the hell out of our way.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2016 3:46 PM
Comment #406533
As Obama and Hillary said, we are great right now, and we can be even better, but going backwards to ‘make America great again’ is simply not an option. Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2016 3:25 PM

The Rpblcns are clearly more disturbed about their inability to make America white again than the actual economic conditions in the country. They pretend to be worried about people who’ve lost jobs to faceless foreign entities who the Rpblcns have been favoring anyway, when they’ve actually lost jobs to modernization, and lack of interest in breathing soot.

If Drumpf’s appeal to Russia doesn’t wake people up, then the Rpblcn party needs to be classified as a mental illness and they all need to have lithium added to their water. The Rpblcn party is a dangerous organization, and I suppose they like to consider themselves as some kind of anti-heroes, but they’re really just pitiful goofy sub-par individuals, like a village idiot that sits on a wall and hollers nasty things at passersby. They’ve been passed by. We are going into the future, which is always unwritten.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 30, 2016 4:09 PM
Comment #406535

Out of all the speeches at both conventions, that I saw, my favorites were those ofCory Booker and Rev. William Barber. I also liked Ivana Trump’s speech and Gov. Granholm’s speech.

After 3 days of democratic convention with no sign of national patriotism or flying flags; last night the hand held flags were passed out.

Wow, you must have been watching Faux new Visitor. The rest of us saw plenty of flags, and of course Mr. Booker’s speech was rather patriotic as were several others. If you would have been exposed to a more balanced view of the convention you wouldn’t have trolled the nonsense you spouted.

Flags were waved with shouts of “USA, USA”. When it’s done at the republican convention, the media condemned it as false patriotism, but the last night of the DNC was oh so great.

It seemed real at the DNC, the patriotism that is. I sometimes think the repubs go overboard into nationalism and it comes off as tacky. The whole “whose got the biggest flag pin”, yeah the made in China American flag pin thing is petty and it comes off as false patriotism IMHO.


Who, in their right mind, believes the democrats are patriots?

Well it kinda depends doesn’t Visitor? If you mean patriot in the Cliven Bundy sorta way I would agree dems don’t fit the bill. But in a less extremist patriot way I believe dems to be patriots.

When the 4 star general spoke, they drowned him out with “no more war, no more war”,

Well who wants war Visitor? It seems “war” anymore means undeclared wars that infringe upon the rights of the American people as we send out troops to fight terrorist, attack small countries in search of WMD’s and nation build in the middle east. But I have to say I didn’t hear the chant you claim, perhaps you are thinking of the Panetta speech instead.

when the woman cop called for a moment of silence for fallen cops they drowned her out with “black lives matter, black lives matter”.

Lupe Valdez is the “women cop” you refer to and I gotta call BS on your exaggerated claim Visitor. The moment of silence is at around 4:10 and I heard a couple of voices in the background but “drowned her out” is an outright lie. Not myth, not misinformation, not half truth.

When democrats use the patriot theme, it is false. Democrats hate America and believe America is evil.

Well Visitor your foolish comments have used up your integrity in this post. The dems did quite well at this convention. I think you confuse nationalism with patriotism. What I saw wasn’t about hate or evil. Once again gross exaggeration makes your claims nothing but old worn out propaganda.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 30, 2016 4:27 PM
Comment #406536
I also liked Ivana Trump’s speech and Gov. Granholm’s speech. Posted by: j2t2 at July 30, 2016 4:27 PM
If Drumpf had any common sense, instead of running himself, he would have supported Ivanka instead. She’s just old enough to run, and the best looking, least cringe-worthy member of her family. Drumpf’s sons all seem to carry that same gene for obnoxiousness. It must be on the Y chromosome. His whore-mongering grandfather was probably the same.

At the DNC, besides others, I liked Christine Leinonen and Gabby Giffords. I was a little disappointed with Tammy Duckworth. I liked Granholm too. Chelsea was one of the best female speakers IMO. All the main male speakers were very professional. Most of the women seem to need to take a class in public speaking.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 30, 2016 4:57 PM
Comment #406537


From the Salt Lake Tribune:


As a retired 30-year Marine Corps reservist who made four trips to Asia as a Marine but missed combat by two weeks, I want my fellow Utah veterans to know that Donald Trump applied for and received five military draft deferments, thereby avoiding any military service.

And now he wants to be commander in chief. A basic rule of American military service is that we are not obligated to obey any illegal order, yet he has said he would issue them, such as torturing prisoners and killing the enemies’ families.

His military record and knowledge stands for itself.

I predict Utah will go for Hillary!

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 30, 2016 5:42 PM
Comment #406538

Tammy Duckworth: I didn’t put my life on the line so Trump could invite Russia to interfere in U.S. elections.

Todays News:

Donald Trump attacks Muslim father’s convention speech.

HRC45 will win big!


Posted by: oraoghilie at July 30, 2016 5:51 PM
Comment #406539

Utah is close. It might go for Clinton. It might also give a substantial number of votes to the Libertarian. The Mormons are not like the Christian fundamentalists on the far right because the Mormons actually have a moral backbone. They see the way Trump talks about Muslims and it is not much of a reach to picture him coming for them too.

Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2016 5:55 PM
Comment #406540

Rocky, What is hysterical is a person who takes the word of someone without really checking the facts as you have done. Google is a fine tool but you have to search all the links, not just the one that you like because it goes along with your foolish notions. Take the word of one while 20 refute it is pure ignorance.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2016 6:35 PM
Comment #406541

Kap,

“Rocky, What is hysterical is a person who takes the word of someone without really checking the facts as you have done.”

And you know this because you read the book? You’re a master of all things de Tocqueville?

Here’s the guy you’re calling a liar;

https://www.cmc.edu/academic/faculty/profile/john-pitney-jr

Just curious…
Are you just as accepting of climate science?

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 30, 2016 7:06 PM
Comment #406542

KAP, shear numbers really don’t mean the truth is told, that is a logical fallacy. When I googled the quote “America is great because America is good” I found such unreliable sources as Hannity and Breitbart telling us Hillary plagiarized the quote. They of course are more caught up in anything negative they can say about Hilary than the truth.

However here is yet another researcher who has taken the time to find a source for the quote.

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/america_is_great_because_she_is_good/

I found the information above at fact check to help further the issue.
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/06/huntsman-lincoln-and-hallmark/

So I am sorry the conservatives have no ground to stand on in their defense of Mrs. Trump’s plagiarism but hey now we know.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 30, 2016 7:38 PM
Comment #406543

Rocky, If I can go through many different links from Google that refute what one man says. Then I question why this guy is saying what he is saying. An old pastor of mine used to tell us to search out what he was preaching and make sure it is correct. I did just that and I would say your source is in question.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2016 7:44 PM
Comment #406544

j2, never even looked at Hannity or Breitbart’s links because I knew they would be questioned.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2016 7:47 PM
Comment #406545

J2, I’ll take the word of many over the word of one or two.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2016 8:00 PM
Comment #406546

KAP,

If 7 google links told you that the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, what would you believe?

The fact is that the quote was accidentally attributed to de Tocqueville 70 years ago and the lie has simply proliferated since then.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 30, 2016 8:05 PM
Comment #406547

warped, Link???????

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2016 8:17 PM
Comment #406548


BTW, not that you might care but Pitney wrote that article in 1995.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 30, 2016 8:28 PM
Comment #406549

Rocky, Your right and I already knew it was written in 1995.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2016 8:40 PM
Comment #406550

Through an exhaustive search I found that 2 English Congregational ministers Reed and Matheson (1834) Said “America will be great, if America is good. If not, Her greatness will vanish away like a mourning cloud” Alexis de Tocqueville came up with his quote “America is great because America is Good, etc, etc” which mirrors with variations Reed and Matheson’s quote.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2016 9:18 PM
Comment #406551

Kap,

According to Pitney, he assigned his class to find a political speech that used de Tocqueville. They scoured the entire book and couldn’t find those lines anywhere.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 30, 2016 9:33 PM
Comment #406552

I can’t find it either but I’m still looking, Rocky

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2016 9:38 PM
Comment #406553
warped, Link???????

KAP the question is how many links does Warren need to meet your argumentum ad populum requirement? Is 100 enough or 200 or just 1 more than the other side presents?

You still hold to the premise that the quote is in the Books “Democracy in America”. I ask you is it in volume 1 or volume 2? If so where is it?

If the ministers you speak of actually did say what you claim, it was a few years after Tocqueville’s visit to America. So it seems none of these people, lately Clinton, has plagiarized Tocqueville. Which was the point.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 31, 2016 12:25 AM
Comment #406554

j2, Show me where I said the quote was in the Books “Democracy in America”.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 31, 2016 9:04 AM
Comment #406555

KAP,

All those links you found on google say the quotation is from Democracy in America, right?

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 31, 2016 10:08 AM
Comment #406556

Warped, Most did but some did not. I look through the books did not find the quote so am looking elsewhere. As I said in a previous comment 2 Ministers quoted a line close to the one supposedly attributed to Tocqueville.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 31, 2016 11:48 AM
Comment #406557

KAP,

Look if you want, but I am skeptical that you are going to best John Pitney and his students. As has already been stated, the relevant article was written in 1995 long before the recent allegation and it appeared in The Weekly Standard, which is a right-wing magazine published by William Kristol, a notable neoconservative. So, it’s not like there’s any advocacy going on here.

Unfortunately, the internet is rifled with misattributed quotations. Critical thinking is necessary to discriminate the genuine from the fraudulent.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 31, 2016 2:16 PM
Comment #406558

Warped, They, as far as I know, only searched the 2 volume “Democracy in America”. There are other writings by the man and also his companion Beaumont and it is possible he made the quote and it was mistakenly attributed to Tocqueville. It doesn’t hurt to find out who actually said it or where it came from. Like I said in comment #406550 2 English Ministers quoted something very close to the America is great quote.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 31, 2016 2:57 PM
Comment #406559

Warped ps The ministers quote was about 1834.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 31, 2016 2:59 PM
Comment #406560

What great fun reading all the comments about the quote plagiarized by Hillary Clinton.

Many different sources have been presented as the author of the quote in question; however, not a single writer has been silly enough to give the author credit to Hillary.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2016 3:08 PM
Comment #406561

KAP, go ahead, maybe you will solve the mystery that has befuddled so many others.

My takeaway is that HRC is only the most recent of a long list of people going back to Reed & Matheson almost two centuries ago to say the relevant sentence. Because it is impossible to attribute the idea to a single person, her use doesn’t constitute plagiarism.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 31, 2016 3:14 PM
Comment #406562

Using the words America, good, and great in a sentence is not likely to result in plagiarism by anyone under any circumstances. Plagiarism also requires a consideration of context. The sentences and paragraph surrounding that sentence do not suggest plagiarism.

If Melania Trump had stopped at one identical sentence, it might have raised eyebrows, but it would not have been plagiarism. She went beyond that, sentence and sentence, using the same words and sentence structure, until it was beyond question.

Meanwhile, Trump continues to… astound everyone. After inviting the Russians to attack his political opponent, he botched an answer about the Ukraine this morning that could only elicit a ‘huh?’ He does not know what he is talking about.

To make it worse, he has decided to criticize the Muslim husband and wife who made that memorable speech about sacrifice and their son’s death in combat.

Trump is so out-of-control sometimes, it is just jaw dropping. Anyone else would let that go. But not Trump.

If someone who has lost a son or daughter in combat says to Trump ‘you have not sacrificed,’ the answer is simple. Here is what Trump should have said:

“No. You’re right. I have not sacrificed. And I thank you for what your son did for our country, and I can not imagine the grief of losing my child like that. I can’t make that kind of sacrifice today.

But I can pay it forward. I can try and make that sacrifice worthwhile, because what I do is build things. I am Donald the Builder. And thanks to your sacrifice, I hope I can make a better future for all of us by doing what I do better than anyone else in the world- building.”

Posted by: phx8 at July 31, 2016 3:24 PM
Comment #406563

Chris Wallace interviewed Hillary on Fox News today and I am pleased that Hillary consented to do it and she performed well.

Nothing remarkable or new was said by Hillary and Wallace asked good questions without being disrespectful.

What really bothered me, and many other viewers I suspect, is that Hillary directly contradicted FBI Director Comey even after Wallace played a video showing Comey saying what Hillary denied.

Hillary’s denial and parsing of facts in the face of direct contradictory evidence is a hallmark of her career. This defect in her character is among the reasons so few people trust her.

Combine her penchant to lie and parse the truth when cornered, with her negligence and carelessness in handling the duties of her office as Sec/State; and one can understand the reluctance for many to vote for her.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2016 3:29 PM
Comment #406564

All of this to try to get back at someone over Melania’s obvious admiration for Michelle Obama? I thought it was stupid then, and it still is. Complaining about some misattributed quote from 1835 or 40 is like complaining about what socks someone wore. We all quote from great writers without even thinking about it that much. The Powers that Be know that Nothing Will Come of Nothing but The Better Angels of Our Nature can tell that This Is Midsummer Madness.

Utah is close. It might go for Clinton. It might also give a substantial number of votes to the Libertarian. The Mormons are not like the Christian fundamentalists on the far right because the Mormons actually have a moral backbone. They see the way Trump talks about Muslims and it is not much of a reach to picture him coming for them too. Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2016 5:55 PM

Drumpf is criticizing a Gold Star Mother because she is a Muslim and was silent while her husband spoke at the DNC, No one with a grain of common sense would jump from that to “Islamic terrorism”, but Drumpf doesn’t have any common sense. He just craves publicity.

Various people on ABC with Stephanopoulos came up with electoral maps that are very conservative in giving an electoral plurality to HRC45. The only one that didn’t was a follower of Bernie. I expect her to do much better than any of those predictions.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 31, 2016 3:49 PM
Comment #406565

pdx8, you got to the Khans before I did, but here is an interview from MSNBC where the mother speaks, and it’s pretty clear why she didn’t speak at the convention:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV_DStM7WKs

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 31, 2016 5:35 PM
Comment #406566

The recent crap about the debate schedule is beyond stupid. 3.5 years ago, there was a debate on October 22, 2012 which ran against a Monday Night Football game featuring the Bears & Lions. October 19, 1992 also featured a debate on a Monday night. On both October 11, 1992 and October 6, 1996 there were debates on Sunday evenings. Saying that the schedule announced last September by the bipartisan commission on Presidential debates is “rigged” is complete bullshit.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 31, 2016 5:41 PM
Comment #406570

Donald Trump:
“It’s completely shameful to take words I’ve spoken or written and try to connect them to some kind of objective reality. I say something, and the next thing I know, a crooked reporter is telling everyone what I said along with a fact-based explanation of what its implications are and why it matters. It’s ridiculous, and it has to stop.”
From The Onion

Trump: “Assassins, if you are listening right now, it would be really helpful if you would, you know, do what you do to help me out. (Next day) Kidding!”

Trump: “Terrorists, if you are listening right now, it would be really helpful if you would time your attacks for September, right when I talk a lot about terrorism. (Next day) That was sarcasm!”

Where is the bottom for conservatives? How low will this thing go? I don’t think it is possible anymore to make up something so horrific, Trump won’t go there. And not only will he go there, conservatives will support him. No matter what.

Insult a prisoner of war? Already done that. Tweet material that originally came from white supremacy sites? Done that too. Invite Russia to help him out by attacking his opponent? Yep. Mock a handicapped person. Uh huh.

It just doesn’t stop. But here’s the thing-

The GOP and conservatism will own this guy for a loooooong time. Some conservatives have had the basic human decency to repudiate him. Far too many have not.

WP,
Trump wants out of those debates. I thought that was obvious. He literally begged everyone not to watch the last day of the Democratic convention and HRC speaking. The last thing he can afford is for people to see past the caricature and see the real Hillary Clinton in action.

Posted by: phx8 at August 1, 2016 11:34 AM
Comment #406571

Did you watch John Oliver’s reaction to the whole Khan fiasco?
It’s probably up on YT, at least part of the show is.

Who’s still sticking with Drumpf? Punks, Racists, Zombies and Robots.

Posted by: oraoghilie at August 1, 2016 12:33 PM
Comment #406572

His back and forth with the Khan’s did take his numbers down a bit. Not so much about the Khan’s but his seemingly poor judgement to know when one is stepping on a landmine.

I believe that when he gets some advisers around him he can act more presidential but we ain’t there yet - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at August 1, 2016 2:27 PM
Comment #406573

Thanks for the suggestion, watched Oliver, great stuff. It just goes to show- Oliver gave five outrageous, horrible, over-the-top quotes from Trump. Trump never said two of them. But things are so bad with Trump, so far out there, you can’t even tell which two were not true.

The attacks on Khan are beyond ridiculous. Lost in Trump’s sheer narcissistic awfulness are a series of incoherent follow-ups to his strange statements about Ukraine. Now a couple of fringe right wingers are accusing Khan of belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood.

The really scary thing is that there are people who support Trump. Well, all I can say is, win or lose, they own Trump. More and more conservatives and Republicans are repudiating Trump, but those who stand by him, they own him and everything he stands for- the racism, the fear-mongering, the misogyny, the hatred, the bigotry, the xenophobia. They own it, and they will never escape it.

Posted by: phx8 at August 1, 2016 2:51 PM
Comment #406574

roy,
Trump has advisors. He does not listen to them. He has said he would act presidential again and again, but it never happens. This is who he is. We are seeing it. And it is really, really ugly.

Posted by: phx8 at August 1, 2016 2:53 PM
Comment #406575

Apparently, John Oliver’s wife is a veteran, so that added something to his reaction. from the IMDB:


Oliver met his wife, Kate Norley, when he was covering the 2008 Republican Convention for The Daily Show (1996). Norley, an Army veteran who served as a medic in the Iraq War, was there with a group called Vets for Freedom.

Posted by: oraoghilie at August 1, 2016 3:31 PM
Comment #406576

Democrat and liberal medicine as being practiced in some of our states. Medically assisted killing of the elderly, sickly and unborn.

life is expensive but death is free

“Dr. William Toffler, an Oregon doctor, wrote in The Wall Street Journal in August that “the regular notices I receive indicating that many important services and drugs for my patients—even some pain medications—will not be covered by the Oregon Health Plan, the state’s Medicaid program” were “concerning.”

“Yet physician-assisted suicide is covered by the state and our collective tax dollars,” Toffler, who is also national director of Physicians for Compassionate Care, noted. “Supporters claim physician-assisted suicide gives patients choice, but what sort of a choice is it when life is expensive but death is free?”

http://dailysignal.com/2015/10/06/how-californias-new-assisted-suicide-law-could-especially-hurt-poor/

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 1, 2016 3:56 PM
Comment #406577

:“I will tax the American lemon until its pips squeak.”

“Americans for Tax Reform has begun its own process of decoding Hillary and is sharing the Full List of Hillary’s Planned Tax Hikes:

Hillary Clinton has made clear she intends to dramatically raise taxes on the American people if elected. She has proposed an income tax increase, a business tax increase, a death tax increase, a capital gains tax increase, a tax on stock trading, an “Exit Tax” and more (see below). Her planned net tax increase on the American people is at least $1 trillion over ten years, based on her campaign’s own figures.

Hillary has endorsed several tax increases on middle income Americans, despite her pledge not to raise taxes on any American making less than $250,000. She has said she would be fine with a payroll tax hike on all Americans, she has endorsed a steep soda tax, endorsed a 25% national gun tax, and most recently, her campaign manager John Podesta said she would be open to a carbon tax. It’s no wonder that when asked by ABC’s George Stephanopoulos if her pledge was a “rock-solid” promise, she slipped and said the pledge was merely a “goal.” In other words, she’s going to raise taxes on middle income Americans.”

http://thepulse2016.com/ralph-benko/2016/07/29/after-the-conventions-1-2-percent-growth-means-hillarys-in-trouble/

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 1, 2016 6:20 PM
Comment #406578
Who’s still sticking with Drumpf? Punks, Racists, Zombies and Robots. Posted by: oraoghilie at August 1, 2016 12:33 PM

Sorry, I left out the village idiots in that description of who’s sticking with Drumpf. As a matter of fact, The Rpblcn party could change it’s name to The Organization Of Village Idiots, or TOOVI, for short.

Posted by: oraoghilie at August 1, 2016 7:42 PM
Comment #406579

From Snopes

WHAT’S TRUE: Khzir Khan is a Muslim-American.

WHAT’S FALSE: No credible evidence supports the assertion that Khan is an operative of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Posted by: oraoghilie at August 1, 2016 8:29 PM
Comment #406580

oraog, the billionaires are voting for Hillary. Natural, as they are heavily invested in her. Billionaires and corpocracy luv the status quo, maybe a little fringe change, and so on - - -

Trump had this thing locked up. All he had to do was keep breathing until elected. If he manages to blow it he will be reviled to the highest, IMO.

The 1% can’t have it all and we can’t have someone with such poor judgement running the white house. Come on Trump, step up.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at August 1, 2016 8:35 PM
Comment #406581

So Maybe Drumpf will vote for HRC45 too. He’s already said that she’s very qualified.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 1, 2016 9:06 PM
Comment #406582

Drumpf’s top lies this weekend.

Imaginary communications from the NFL about the debates.

Claims to have turned down imaginary offer of meeting with the Koch brothers.

Diagnosis: Pathological liar, possibly bipolar with delusions of grandeur.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 1, 2016 9:19 PM
Comment #406583
The 1% can’t have it all and we can’t have someone with such poor judgement running the white house. Come on Trump, step up.

Roy are you writing for the Onion? Trump needs to save us from poor judgement!! Are you seriously suggesting Trump has anything but poor judgement? Or even more ridiculous Trump has better judgement than Hilary!

Trump does have one thing going for him, the Koch bros refuse to bribe him. But then so does Hilary right? Seems to me Jill Stein is the only candidate without Wall St money backing her.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 2, 2016 12:43 AM
Comment #406585

Royal Flush has often bragged about his membership and affiliation with the Veterans of Foreign Wars. I wonder what he things about Brian Duffy’s recent statement.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 2, 2016 9:27 AM
Comment #406586

Warped, Being a Vet myself and having a deep respect for Gold Star families believe they are off limits as is a politicians family until they interject themselves into the political arena and that goes for both sides who use fallen service members families as their pawns. I would put the blame on the RNC or DNC if they so choose to use a fallen vets family and that family gets unsavory remarks from the other sides candidate.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 2, 2016 11:37 AM
Comment #406587

KAP,

I am usually apt to agree with you. The Khans certainly inserted themselves into the political conversation and that means criticism of the thesis expressed in Mr. Khan’s speech would be perfectly appropriate.

In fact, that is exactly what happened with regards to Patricia Smith, the mother of one of the men who died in Benghazi. Clinton said, “I don’t hold any ill feeling for someone who, in that moment, may not fully recall everything that was or wasn’t said”. This is the proper way to respond. Now, you may quibble with the truth of what Clinton said, but she never ascribed ulterior motives to Mrs. Smith or impugned her religious beliefs.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 2, 2016 12:44 PM
Comment #406588

“I don’t think that Trump can win, frankly,” wrote Bill James on Feb. 23, before adding dismissively, “because I don’t think there are enough morons to elect him.”

donald-trump-needs-7-of-10-white-guys

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 2, 2016 12:45 PM
Comment #406589

Warped, I agree Trump should have or could have used better judgment.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 2, 2016 1:01 PM
Comment #406590

Royal Flush has often bragged about his membership and affiliation with the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 2, 2016 9:27 AM

My Goodness Warren…wrong on two counts. I don’t brag about my membership in the American Legion.

Trump made an error of judgement. No one died.

Hillary made many errors of judgement. Many have died.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2016 2:27 PM
Comment #406591

KAP,

The broader point here is that this isn’t the first time Trump has expressed poor judgement. Time after time, he puts his own petty feelings first and the greater interest last. It’s the same flaw Hillary Clinton has, only magnified many times over.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 2, 2016 2:27 PM
Comment #406592

WArped, As I said I agree, Trump doesn’t stop to think before opening mouth.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 2, 2016 2:32 PM
Comment #406593

WARNING…

Do not open this video if you are so full of hate and ignorance that truth and facts no longer matter.

Title: O’Reilly on America’s Race Problem

http://www.cnsnews.com/video/national/oreilly-americas-race-problem

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2016 2:39 PM
Comment #406594

Is Donald Trump plain crazy?

“Trump’s grasp on reality appears to be tenuous at best.”

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 2, 2016 2:57 PM
Comment #406595

RF,

Brilliant strategy! Instead of answering for Trump’s outrageous statements, shift the conversation to old right wing talking points about race relations.

Nevertheless, nobody acknowledges the impact family structure (or lack thereof) on the African-American community more than Obama and he’s been doing so for at least 8 years.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 2, 2016 2:59 PM
Comment #406596

Warren…many thanks for the great laugh. You praise Obama for talking about the lack of black family structure with a link to a video from 2008 while Obama was first running for office. Is that all you could find Warren?

The O’Reilly video addressed so much more than Obama ever considered.

PS. I did address the statement by Mr. Trump. Here it is again.

Trump made an error of judgement. No one died.

Hillary made many errors of judgement. Many have died.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2016 3:06 PM
Comment #406597

The link from 8 years ago demonstrates that Obama has been speaking on the issue for a long time. I could easily have included more recent one instead.

My apologies for overlooking your Comment #406590. I shouldn’t have accused you of changing topics.

Trump made an error of judgement. No one died.

Hillary made many errors of judgement. Many have died.

How many errors of judgement has Gary Johnson made?

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 2, 2016 3:34 PM
Comment #406598

Can anyone name an error of judgment made by HRC that resulted in anyone dying?

None of the eight investigative committees on Benghazi ever accused HRC of an error in judgment resulting in deaths. She was criticized for not authorizing enough security. However, she had previously requested funding for additional security and was denied that funding by the GOP Congress. And it remains to be seen if enough could have been provided to save them. A local militia was supposed to be the main defense. It failed.

The error in judgment in Benghazi was on the part the Ambassador, Chris Stevens. No one likes to blame the victim, but that is what happened. He went to a remote area without enough protection at a time of great unrest. The previous night, there had been a huge protest outside the Cairo embassy over a film insulting to Islam. By the time the team in Benghazi realized their protest was more than that, it was too late. That ambassador was a terrific public servant, a distinguished man with a great track record. When Libya broke out into civil war and Khaddafi sent his military in to attack the population, Stevens played a major role in coordinating the overthrow. He served in a dangerous place and made one bad decision.

Posted by: phx8 at August 2, 2016 3:57 PM
Comment #406599

I love that line from the movie Love Story. “Love means never having to say you’re sorry.” Having been married, to the same women for decades, I know that the quote is false.

Borrowing from that quote, I can say factually that…”Socialism means never having to say Thank You.”

More and more Americans are receiving some kind of government benefit beyond entitlements which those receiving have paid a premium to receive.

Do we ever hear “Thank You” from the liberal/socialist on WB? Nope…never. As a former smoker I paid hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars in tobacco taxes which helped fund CHIP. Any Thank YOu…Hell No.

Millions of Americans receive free food, medical care, education and much more. Do we hear them saying Thank You to taxpayers? Nope.

Any thank you for Capitalism which makes wealth possible? Hell No.

Did anyone at the Democrat Party Convention mention the fact that all the money and beneifts Hillary and Bernie want to shower upon Americans must be paid for by someone? Even if we could actually tax the rich enough to pay for all the socialist boondoggles, would the rich ever be thanked? Hell NO!

Why is that? It is quite simply explained by observing that today, government handouts (unearned benefits) are viewed by the Left as “Rights” and they are entitled to these rights simply by virtue of being born in the U.S. or having climbed a border fence and set foot in the U.S.

It is disgusting to listen to Hillary and Bernie and Obama and the Lefties promote “government freebies” as rights.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2016 4:09 PM
Comment #406600

An error in judgment was the invasion of Iraq. Over 4,000 Americans died, 32,000 injured, and trillions spent. It was even worse for the Iraqis.

An error in judgment was when Reagan sent the marines into Lebanon. 241 marines died. Reagan declared we would never withdraw, but we did shortly afterwards, and then proceeded to invade Grenada. Yeah, that happened.

Posted by: phx8 at August 2, 2016 4:10 PM
Comment #406601

phx8 limits his pitiful examination of the deaths attributable to HRC errors of judgement to Benghazi.

You must think globally phx8.

I have heard Obama proclaim that Mr. Trump is not qualified to be president.

This is laughable. Exactly what qualifications did “Mr. Toilet Plunger social worker” and “Mr. Drive ‘em to the polls”
Obama have when he first ran for president?

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2016 4:18 PM
Comment #406602
An error in judgment was when Reagan sent the marines into Lebanon. 241 marines died. Reagan declared we would never withdraw, but we did shortly afterwards, and then proceeded to invade Grenada. Yeah, that happened. Posted by: phx8 at August 2, 2016 4:10 PM

That sounds live a preview of a Drumpf presidency, but I seriously doubt that he’ll get it, without inviting Russia to hack into the voting machines. No one with any close ties to immigrants who’ve experienced “rulers” like Drumpf would vote for him. He’s not just the thin end of the wedge, he’s the whole wedge.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 2, 2016 4:41 PM
Comment #406603

today, in Drumpfland:

In a bizarre moment, Republican nominee Donald Trump somewhat jokingly kicked a crying baby out of his rally Tuesday morning.

Trump, who was campaigning in Ashburn, Va., was talking about trade before being interrupted by the baby. He initially told the mother not to worry about the commotion.

“Don’t worry about that baby, I love babies,” Trump said. “I hear that baby crying and I like it. What a beautiful baby. … It’s young and beautiful and healthy, and that’s what we want.”

Trump continued, only to be interrupted by the baby again. This time, he suggested booting the baby from the event.

“Actually, I was only kidding, you can get the baby out of here,” the business mogul said to laughter. “That’s all right. Don’t worry. I think she really believed me that I love having a baby crying while I’m speaking. That’s OK. People don’t understand. That’s OK.”

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 2, 2016 4:49 PM
Comment #406604

What next for Trump? How wrong can it possibly go with a baby?

From “The Campaign”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otn96q_v6P0

Posted by: phx8 at August 2, 2016 5:02 PM
Comment #406605

If a person answered like Donald Trump answered on Sunday furing an interview or audition, that person would not be hired. Absolutely not. He flubbed a question on the Ukraine so badly, people are still talking about it and wondering what on earth he meant. Yet some people will vote for Trump to take over the most powerful job in the world?

Interesting statistic: Fact checker Kessler stated most politicians average False or Pants on Fire 15-20% of the time. Hillary Clinton averaged 15%, with only 2% Pants on Fire. Trump averaged over 60%, with 17% Pants on Fire. He has taken it to another level. And not in a good way.

Posted by: phx8 at August 2, 2016 5:11 PM
Comment #406606

Sally Bradshaw’s decision to leave the GOP

“Sally is representative of an important segment of our party, and that is college-educated women, where Donald Trump is losing by disastrous margins,” said Ari Fleischer, who worked with Bradshaw on the GOP project and was a senior adviser to President George W. Bush. “Trump has moved in exactly the opposite direction from our recommendations on how to make the party more inclusive…

In an email to CNN, Bradshaw wrote that the GOP was “at a crossroads and have nominated a total narcissist — a misogynist — a bigot.”“

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 2, 2016 5:19 PM
Comment #406607

“Secretary Clinton is responsible for four years of U.S. backsliding on the world stage. It was her job to observe and interpret foreign events, advise the President, and formulate and execute policy to benefit the U.S. and its allies and confound U.S. enemies. It does not matter which component of her responsibilities she failed; the record is clear that U.S. foreign policy collapsed on Clinton’s watch and the world is a far more dangerous and far less free place as a result.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/08/hillary_clintons_foreign_policy_failures.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2016 5:26 PM
Comment #406609

RF,
Usually, I like to look up the author of an article. This guy does not even appear on the radar. He is listed as an attorney. That is it. C’mon.

During HRC’s terms as Secretary of State, US favorability climbed 20 points in the eyes of other countries. To call that “backsliding” is the precise opposite of what actually happened. The world is considerably safer and our alliances are stronger, in part thanks to HRC.

Believe it or not, when the US chooses not to start new wars, that is a good thing.

Posted by: phx8 at August 2, 2016 5:44 PM
Comment #406611

phx8, which part of this quote; “…U.S. foreign policy collapsed on Clinton’s watch and the world is a far more dangerous and far less free place as a result.” do you disagree with any why?

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2016 6:00 PM
Comment #406612

pdx8, I thought you had linked to the real Drumpf baby video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az6wof3iyIw

but the Will Farrell one was actually funny, whereas Drumpf was clearly upset at having to pay attention to a child.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 2, 2016 6:05 PM
Comment #406613

RF,
” “…U.S. foreign policy collapsed on Clinton’s watch and the world is a far more dangerous and far less free place as a result.” do you disagree with any why?”

By the end of the second Bush term we suffered over 4,000 Americans dead, 32,000 wounded, and an enormous loss of treasure in Iraq. HRC helped the Obama administration bring that to an end.

Our relations with Turkey and France- two traditional and close allies- were in tatters. They warned us not to go into Iraq. The Turks especially feared the instability. They were right. HRC helped repair those relations, along with nearly everyone else in the world.

A notable exception? Pakistan. Why? We killed Osama bin Laden. HRC helped make that happen.

We stopped torturing people, subjecting them to extreme rendition, and imprisoning people at black sites.

Seriously, do you need me to go on? Do you remember how bad things were in 2008? Relations worsened with nearly every country in the world.

By the end of the Bush administration, an unencumbered Iran had 4,000 centrifuges and their nuclear program was going full throttle. We clobbered them with the Stuxnet virus, and thanks to the sanctions HRC brought about- in coordination with Russia, China, the UK, and Germany- would eventually bring the Iranians to the negotiating table.

Posted by: phx8 at August 2, 2016 7:39 PM
Comment #406622

It’s going to be a very long election season if we have to listen to some idiocy from Drumpf every day. Mainstreaming his bullshit is very annoying. We have to hear some revisionist history or other nonsense. I have to mute every time they show him speaking now. My hope is that Gary Johnson gets more votes than Drumpf, or at least Drumpf gets fewer votes than Ross Perot. I seriously doubt there will be debates. Drumpf will just have a tantrum, and complain that it’s all a conspiracy against his paranoid ass. He’ll go home to Palm Beach, or wherever he lives, and the Rpblcn party will get screwed, unless they make some other effort to get rid of him before the election. They could declare him mentally incompetent, and make Pence the nominee. Not that Pence is much better, but they might want to save their party from a disaster.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 3, 2016 11:51 AM
Comment #406623

oraoghaile,

Check it out, Trump’s already lost one of Georgia’s electoral votes: http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/08/03/georgia-republican-says-he-might-withhold-electoral-college-vote-from-donald-trump/

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 3, 2016 12:46 PM
Comment #406624

Sorry phx8, there is no way I am going to respond to your outrageous outline of what happened during the reign of Hillary as SS.

Apparently phx8 is not only deaf, but also blind as the evidence of DOS failures under Hillary are found all around the world every day.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 3, 2016 1:39 PM
Comment #406625

Humor for the day.

Actor James Woods: “Hillary Clinton is nuttier than Nancy Pelosi, and Pelosi is the gold standard of NUTS.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 3, 2016 1:49 PM
Comment #406632

From Warren Porter’s link:

Vu said he has never been “on board” with Trump, but the Republican presidential candidate’s feud with a Muslim family who lost their soldier-son in Iraq was the final straw. Vu harkened back to his family’s decision to flee communist rule in Vientam.

“We hungered for the right to vote. I’m not going to throw that away,” Vu said.

Yeah, what Drumpf and his village idiots don’t understand is that immigrants are always making America great again. Otherwise, we’d all be sitting on our porches playing our banjos. The DNC showed what is possible. Better Together is a great slogan for HRC45’s campaign.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 3, 2016 5:52 PM
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