Whose Convention Will Be Filled With More Angry People?

You have to hand it to Ben Rhodes and Bernie Sanders. They don’t quit easily. In fact, they don’t quit. They finish the job. Right up to the last day. Be it moving day in January 2017 at the White House, or be it the Democrat Convention in Philadelphia. So while the would-be post-modern novelist frames Obama’s narratives and mind melds with his boss, all in order to bring to fruition things like The Iran Deal, Bernie keeps fighting against the Democratic Party’s establishment.

And fights sometimes involve things like flying chairs in places like Las Vegas. Where a state Democratic Party convention erupted into angry protests by Bernie supporters who reasonably decided that a voice vote, called by Roberta Lange the state chairwoman for Democrats, was a quick and dirty tactic to avoid a careful counting of the delegate's votes. The fact she gavelled the meeting to a close after the voice vote and quickly left did not help allay Bernie supporters' suspicions.

So a minor riot ensued. And a chair or two went airborne. Maybe it's just Nevada, whose GOP caucus is under threat of removal due to low participation rates. But maybe it's something more.

Sanders is as likely to quit the primary race as Rhodes is to give up his role at the White House. It might happen ... but most likely won't. So the question is, what will the Democratic Party Convention in Philadelphia look like? Because even though Hillary is 99% certain to win a majority of delegates, she will have nowhere near the lead and early win that Donald Trump managed to pull off in a packed field.

The insurgency won in the GOP primary. Yes, one could think of Cruz's campaign as an insurgency, but one very much within the conservative platform. Trump, on the other hand, will change the platform. How, no one is really sure, but it will almost certainly not be the standard conservative set of planks.

The insurgency in the Democratic primary, on the other hand, is being kept from victory by a rigged system. At least, that's what Bernie supporters believe. Because that's what Bernie believes. And the role of super delegates is precisely to shut out someone like Bernie Sanders. Whether Hillary would have won anyway under a more open system is a theoretical.

So whose convention is going to be filled with more angry people? Philadelphia may surprise observers with it's passions and disputes. And Cleveland may not be quite as divided as many think. Despite Romney's best efforts.

Posted by Keeley at May 18, 2016 5:41 PM
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Comment #404807

Trump will run the Republican convention like a news event. He will be there every day and play it like a fiddle.

Hillary is a has been; all washed up and wrapped in the shell of failed liberalism and hugely failed government. She supports more of what is killing our economy and country.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 19, 2016 7:37 PM
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The conventions will take place and be somewhat anti-climatic as they normally are. Trump promises it to be a bigly entertaining event, one can only wonder what that will entail. Swimsuit competition? Hillary will accept the nomination with some Sanders supporters still feeling animosity towards her.

After the conventions the serious presentation of each candidate will begin, hopefully seriously. NeverTrump supporters will be asked “Really? Is Hillary what you want?” and the FeeltheBern folks will be asked “Really? Is Trump what you want?” This scenario doesn’t seem to break from the usual process much however it depends on how that messaging is handled by each of the respective campaigns.

And of course there will be events that take place in our country and the world that will be presented to each candidate as a litmus test when their reactions are dissected and analyzed.

May the best person for the betterment of our country win. The October surprise may be interesting as always.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 20, 2016 9:54 AM
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Hopefully both conventions will be filled with angry people equally. Both parties have failed to lead the country through the globalization of our economy. As our leaders have been corrupted by the political process that insists they bend a knee to the monied class in order to get elected they have lost contact with what makes this country great, the middle class. If neither party platform addresses this issue then let the angry mob rule the day.


http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/19/economics-has-failed-america-globalization-trade/

Posted by: j2t2 at May 20, 2016 1:46 PM
Comment #404826

Fortunately the angry mob will probably become apathetic and go back to their reality TV shows, or unfortunately if you so wish.

I have said it before but it’s worth saying again, the greatest failure of the 20th century was the labor movement. This great movement with all of it’s great ideas and visions was brought to a screeching halt in the country that was supposed to lead the movement, the USA. It began with the corruption and abuse of power in unions that was able to be used as a tool by the monied interests to cast aspersions toward anything related to unions. Then cemented in place by the Reagan administration’s dismantlement of the airport traffic controllers union demands during their strike and then the floodgates were loosened. Now we have people decrying the very movement that brought them a 40 hour work week, weekends off, vacations, better wages, a higher standard of living and so much more including a thriving middle class.

Perhaps a country with a struggling economy and a wealth of underpaid workers will be able to garner the wherewithal to jump start that movement again. Here we don’t do big things anymore. We don’t build the biggest and best infrastructure projects, China does. We don’t invest in education we look to it as a revenue generator for banks and businesses. We don’t enact legislation that helps those less fortunate because they just act to entitled if we do. The apathy of the 21st century seems to atrophy the portion of our collective psyche that allows us to dream the unattainable and make it real. Those dreams are what built this country.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 20, 2016 2:44 PM
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The old saying is that politics is show business for ugly people. I really don’t expect much from the conventions. Both will be about party unity, and both will give the candidates the usual bounce in the polls.

The most noteworthy aspect will be the party platforms. The Democrats will edge left to placate Sanders, but not that much. The GOP platform will be more interesting because Trump conquered the GOP. He crushed the conservatives at the polls, both the corporate establishment and religious fundamentalists, and took the party by force; yet his own platform is incoherent to the point of being practically non-existent.

Trump has been on both sides of nearly every issue. Most likely he will approve a platform similar to the one from 2012 because Trump simply does not care. He is not an ideologue. He is neither conservative nor liberal.
His appeal is based on two things:

1) the appeal of the strongman, the authoritarian. He will do something. What, exactly, no one knows, but it will be tremendous, believe me! He will ‘tell it like it is’; and if you don’t like it, he will quickly change what he tells you. Greatness will be achieved, not through policies, but through the sheer force of personality.

2) The appeal to the dark side of the American character- to fear and hatred and bigotry and resentment of the other, whether foreign or Muslim or Mexican or black or whatever. It is their fault! It is their fault for everything! There is a good reason the KKK, Storm Front, and other white supremacists support him.

The degree to which Trump resorts to Fascist style spectacle at the convention remains to be seen. Will we see a Cathedral of Light, a football field filled with dancing girls, or films like Triumph of the Will, but with a distinctly American twist?

Posted by: phx8 at May 20, 2016 6:22 PM
Comment #404829

phx8 really doesn’t understand the appeal of Trump to millions of middle class working Americans. He is fully committed to the socialist agenda of Clinton and Sanders. Pandering to those who want money, goodies, or special treatment will not win this time around.

Hillary continues to slip in the polls, among the young, women, minorities and working poor. She can’t even close the deal as Sanders continues to win despite all the odds. She is becoming more shrill in her speeches and must keep up with Sanders in giving stuff away. It wouldn’t surprise me to find some of her super delegate support soon slipping away.

A recent review of promises made by Sanders translates into nearly $19 Trillion. How can Hillary top that?

By convention time the Democrats will be in total disarray and many will simply stay home or vote for Trump. Rank and file union members are deserting the party in droves, with good cause…what has Obama done for them?

Wall Street is increasingly nervous with very poor profits being reported by many companies listed on the DOW. Quantitative Easing, now ended, was a windfall for the bankers and WS and interest rate hikes are looming.

The Social Issue flavor of the day for the Dems is totally indefensible as most Americans find no problem with public toilet facilities remaining as they are. A federal judge has just accused the DOJ of lying to him regarding Obama’s illegal acts concerning immigrants.

The entire Federal Government is so out of control and ineffective for solving problems that the electorate is willing to vote for Trump the outsider over Clinton; the ultimate insider.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 20, 2016 7:06 PM
Comment #404830

Trump’s platform should be to make Italy great again. People should study Berlusconi to understand Trump.

I agree that political parties are a complete failure. Labor unions screwed themselves, unfortunately.

I don’t care about the conventions, and won’t watch any of it.

I watched Trumbo yesterday, never underestimate the poorly educated.

Posted by: ohrealy at May 20, 2016 7:10 PM
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“When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental — men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost… All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

H.L. Mencken (July, 1920)

Posted by: Rocky Marks at May 20, 2016 8:39 PM
Comment #404833

ohrealy,
Trump and Mussolini also have a lot in common.

RF,
Trump is every bit as much of a socialist as Hillary Clinton. Trump wants to preserve Social Security and Medicare. He favors the minimum wage, too. He also favors raising taxes on the top tax bracket. Maybe you missed that part. That’s understandable, because his stand on issues changes almost constantly.

As for Hillary slipping in the polls, the latest one shows her up 47-41.

According to a recent poll, the majority of Trump supporters believe the stock market has gone down and the unemployment rate has increased during the Obama years. Do you believe that? If not, how do you account for the majority of Trump supporters believing something that is so totally, completely, factually wrong?

Posted by: phx8 at May 21, 2016 1:41 AM
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“There continues to be a lot of misinformation about what has happened during Obama’s time in office. 43% of voters think the unemployment rate has increased while Obama has been President, to only 49% who correctly recognize that it has decreased. And 32% of voters think the stock market has gone down during the Obama administration, to only 52% who correctly recognize that it has gone up. In both cases Democrats and independents are correct in their understanding of how things have changed since Obama became President, but Republicans claim by a 64/27 spread that unemployment has increased and by a 57/27 spread that the stock market has gone down.”
PPP polling
May 11, 2016

Posted by: phx8 at May 21, 2016 10:00 AM
Comment #404862

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”

Isaac Asimov

Posted by: Rocky Marks at May 22, 2016 11:30 AM
Comment #404869

Ain’t it so that a profashnal is a degreed person with his brains knocked out?

Fellow on ABC this pm, 57 years old and lost it all as a construction worker after the recession/depression. He worked as an office cleaner and just received a ME degree. He is happy about that as he now feels he can dream again.

I suggest that when he applies for work he will be told either no jobs available or that he is too old.

Dreams for many have been shot thru. Those folks are way likely to line up at the polls for Trump. Wouldn’t you?

And still, folks are solicited from all over the world to come here take a job at less than the prevailing wage.

I do agree that the rest of the world is, and has done well in the globalised economy. But, at what cost?

Biggest xfer of wealth in human history.
Recession/depression with limp recovery.
Few jobs, mostly part time, no bennies, and so on.
Wages down over the last 20 years of globalisation.
Huge outlay of entitlements for half of citizenry and immigrants.
Middle class workers falling into the bottom class as inequality has ramped up biggly.

Run, Trump, Run.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at May 22, 2016 7:26 PM
Comment #404881

SO Roy you have listed several issues that speak to the problems facing the middle class and working poor of this country. Problems that originate in “free market” economics and a Congress controlled by the monied class. Problems rooted in conservative principles. Problems that the current Congress doesn’t even register as problems judging by the lack of progress on these issues in the Congress.

How do you think Trump will solve these problems were he to be elected president? Sure he has gave some lip service to some of these issues mostly pointing them out as a means to tell us he will make America great again.

Will building a wall keep out the legal immigrants used to keep jobs scarce and wages low? Will low wage jobs equate to faster economic growth in this country?

I mean Trump is running on the Foster faux scandal and Bill Clinton’s s*x life. Isn’t the joke over yet? Seems to me Trump is the longest running joke anyone has ever played on this country. OH…well….except for GWB of course. Oh never mind voodoo economics has went on for decades…. oh wow… hey you don’t suppose Trump could continue to gain ground now that he has sold out completely to the tinfoil hat crowd.

Ok so Trump isn’t as funny or as long lived as some of the jokes we have endured but he hasn’t called out the banksters who corrupt the politicians, instead he has went to them for money… or is that just a bit of hear say?

Posted by: j2t2 at May 24, 2016 1:23 PM
Comment #404882
Fortunately the angry mob will probably become apathetic and go back to their reality TV shows, or unfortunately if you so wish.

Speaks you are probably right, they will probably play into the hands of those that prefer they stay to home and don’t vote. It’s a bit scary when people complain about what is happening then tell you their vote doesn’t count when it comes time to vote.

I have said it before but it’s worth saying again, the greatest failure of the 20th century was the labor movement.

Not sure how you mean this Speaks, but IMHO the labor movement was defeated it didn’t fail. The labor movement and the middle class standard of living it brought is largely a creation of laws. Getting rid of the laws and revising these laws is what has caused the downward spiral of the labor movement.

Of course it was built on a shaky foundation to begin with but it was the only foundation available. The police were against unions and often were used to assault protestors which led to the unions being co-opted by organized crime IMHO. But that being said it is sad the labor movement wasn’t expanded as part of globalization as a requirement of free trade agreements.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 24, 2016 1:36 PM
Comment #404883

The Labor movement is something different than labor unions, as such. Labor unions were frequently run by dishonest individuals who were promising something while delivering nothing. They showed themselves just as capable of being crooked as the corporations.

Posted by: ohrealy at May 24, 2016 2:27 PM
Comment #404884

j2t2, agreed that it was defeated but that speaks to the legitimacy of the effort and the reason of it’s failure. If at it’s conception it had to deal with police being against it and still managed to survive, big money and big companies being against it and it survived, uncooperative legislation enacted and it still survived, what happened to deter the movement? Some of the most ardent of anti-union supporters seem to me to be former union members that felt betrayed by the union when they lost their jobs, lost wages and lost leverage to bring to the bargaining table. There was a systematic approach to accomplishing this defeat and it succeeded through the use of the very people it had helped, the middle class.

“it is sad the labor movement wasn’t expanded as part of globalization as a requirement of free trade agreements.” Dismantling the labor movement here in the USA was a big part of getting globalization to work for the monied interests. How else could we be buying TV’s for less than most of the people who make them earn in a month? Same can be said about cell phones and many of the other trinkets that globalization has brought us.

When I hear a former union member lament about how American industry failed, one of the first things I ask them is what kind of car do you own? More often than not it is Honda, Toyota, Kia, Nissan, etc. etc. because they have been told that it doesn’t matter, most of the parts used to make a Buick come from different countries. They were sold a bill of goods that they bought hook, line and sinker. I have been buying a Buick for the last 35 years, got 2 of them now.

I still hold out hope that the labor movement will be revived but I don’t think it will be in our country. We are to interested in getting the best deal on a car, cell phone, or TV so we can go home and comfortably watch our favorite reality show and complain how the politicians did all of the bad things to us, oh woe is me. Bad politicians, bad.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 24, 2016 2:31 PM
Comment #404886

ohrealy, agreed again. But how did the Eugene Debs and Samuel Gompers types get co-opted by the crooks? Their noble causes, to bring decent working hours and decent pay to laborers, helped create the middle class and then somewhere along the way that middle class became insulated by their very own prosperity and abandoned unions because they saw too much corruption and too much power accumulate at the very top.

I guess if I had to think where the labor movement could be re-kindled I might choose Asia since that is where manufacturing fled to for lower labor prices and less legislation restricting the ability to take advantage of that same labor market. Not holding out much hope for that to happen but then again you just never know.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 24, 2016 2:42 PM
Comment #404887

“We have met the enemy, and they is us” (Pogo circa 1971)

Posted by: Speak4all at May 24, 2016 4:02 PM
Comment #404888

Labor Unions, like much of the non-political power in this country, crawled; willingly, into bed with politicians. Corruption has ruled.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 24, 2016 5:24 PM
Comment #407971

Si dovrebbe includere alcune gocce d’acqua in esso e mescolare correttamente utilizzando un frullatore. Questo metodo ha dimostrato di essere uno dei migliori rimedi erboristici per l’impotenza maschile.

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