Making the best of the worst

I have argued against Hillary with passion for a quarter century. I think she is a crook and a liar and not nearly as smart as her supporters say. BUT Hillary is the lesser of the two evils. Trumps is plain batshit crazy. So a Hillary victory is the best likely scenario. Maybe Hillary can dump the Bernie crazies and move more toward the center. With moderate votes and lots of Wall Street money, she can be a moderate.

Republican should distance themselves from Trump as they would a sinking ship. Don't be pulled down by the suck.

Maybe Hillary, freed at last from the ambition and the need to pander left, will just drift to the center. The change can come in 2020. We will be four years w/o much progress, but it will be better than Trump running us into the rut.

Posted by Christine & John at May 9, 2016 11:31 PM
Comments
Comment #404615
I have argued against Hillary with passion for a quarter century.

You and the conservative movement leadership C&J. The conservative propaganda machine has made a fortune telling tall tales about Hillary decade after decade outright lie after outright lie, half truth after half truth, myth after myth and misinformation piled upon misinformation.

I think she is a crook and a liar and not nearly as smart as her supporters say.

It is her detractors who claim she is the smartest women to have ever existed IMHO C&J. I mean who can get charge after charge thrown at them year in and year out and not spend one day in jail, one minute in court and make the repub led witch hunt in Congress look like morons after beating them up for 12 hours at a time?

Trumps is plain batshit crazy.

He may appear batshit crazy when he tells Speaker Ryan it’s time to take care of Americans first C&J, but he was the best of what 15…16…. 17 candidates fielded by the repubs and he did it with out cheating, without the cronyism of the other repub candidates, and by winning the hearts and minds… (well minds might be a stretch) of the repub base. If he is batshit crazy what are they?

Posted by: j2t2 at May 10, 2016 12:39 AM
Comment #404616

A Hillary win is “making the best of the worst?”

It is an absolute fact that Hillary is dishonest and has lied directly to the American people.
Hillary is a liberal, not a democrat, and has been pandering to the even further left extremist bern-outs. She won’t be ‘dumping’ them, she will continue to embrace them.
Hillary attacks the personal beliefs of people who dare disagree with her, and engages in hyperbole and outright lies to strip away rights.
Hillary is a multi-millionaire who preaches everybody else needs to do more. She is the typical leftist hypocrite.
Hillary will continue to divide Americans amongst themselves, in order to further leftist policy.

Hillary is nothing but Obama with some common sense on foreign policy. Her administration will be filled with nothing but liberals who agree with her.

Trump isn’t a typical politician who will surround himself with yes men. His administration will consist of Republicans and moderate democrats who take their JOB seriously and will put it first, not their political agenda.
He11, I’m not even a Trump supporter and I can see that.

“The change can come in 2020.”

The Republican Party is already kicking out people who hold positions that were considered moderate 20 years ago. And now you want to kick out even more because of some guy running on an anti illegal immigration, pro-nation security and pro-America platform?

You guys turn your back on your party this year and you won’t win jack crap in 2020.

Posted by: kctim at May 10, 2016 9:35 AM
Comment #404617

CJ, good to see you posting again. I look forward to your cogent critiques of Hillary Clinton. Your insights into the environmental, energy and financial decisions and policies she maintains, from your perspective while in a decidedly conservative bent, will be a welcome change from “she lied”, “she’s a leftist”, she’s a divider” screams that we have been hearing without specificity or documentation. I don’t doubt that you could hold some of those contentions regarding her however your ability to take umbrage with an opposing view generally involves details and comparisons that can rise above the shrill nonsense of personal attacks.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 10, 2016 10:37 AM
Comment #404618

She lied: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/20/us/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-statements.html?_r=1

She’s a leftist: http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

She’s a divider:
June 2014: “I believe that we need a more thoughtful conversation,” Clinton says while promoting her memoir on CNN. “We cannot let a minority of people—and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people—hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people.”

We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society. - Hillary Clinton

There’s plenty of documentation and details out there, one just needs to have the integrity to accept it, and the willingness and ability to debate it.

Posted by: kctim at May 10, 2016 11:51 AM
Comment #404619

FBI says no malicious intent on the emails. Not that you will believe it.

You saying she is a “leftist” doesn’t really make her one. I support her policies and principles regardless of your dissent.

Where you see divisiveness I see thoughtful approach to problems. We disagree. I am not surprised and do not contend that you should not voice your objections. Cogency helps to understand that.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 10, 2016 12:06 PM
Comment #404620

If Hillary Clinton is a liar, leftist, divider along with all of the things that have been thrown at her in the last 25 years without any actual charges or disciplinary action taken against her, then I am inclined to agree with j2t2. She should be the President based on her ability to use super duper powers of something or other to remain unscathed with all that she is accused of. I plan on voting for her because I like what she is campaigning on, not for her super duper powers of avoiding the incessant non-existent charges she has overcome.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 10, 2016 12:18 PM
Comment #404621

March 10, 2015 “There is no classified material. So I’m certainly well aware of the classification requirements.” — Hillary Rodham Clinton

While it is very odd that somebody who is “well aware” of classification requirements to unintentionally violate those requirements, I am willing to give her the benefit of doubt. But the evidence that Clinton intentionally broke classification rules has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she has constantly lied from the very beginning to cover her a$$,

Her leftist positions on the issues is what makes her a leftist, which is why I linked to her positions on the issues.

We the People are divided and that is a problem. You do not approach that problem by denigrating half the people, which she is doing with her statements.

Those are facts, and they have nothing to do with dissent, disagreement, contentions, objections etc…

Trump may be the worst possible candidate Republicans could have nominated, but it is absolutely ridiculous to suggest Hillary is any better.

Posted by: kctim at May 10, 2016 12:39 PM
Comment #404622

Being a liar, leftist or divider does not always warrant actual charges or disciplinary actions. They do however, require accountability.

That lack of accountability is what’s going to make the next few months so entertaining. Both sides will be demanding to hold the other side accountable while refusing to hold their own accountable.

Posted by: kctim at May 10, 2016 12:49 PM
Comment #404623

You are welcome to believe what you wish to. I am not going to spend my efforts to dissuade you, I have determined that it is a fruitless and unrewarding task. Suffice it to say I support Hillary Clinton and you do not, although I am uncertain if you support Trump since all you maintain is that it is ridiculous to suggest Hillary is any better.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 10, 2016 12:51 PM
Comment #404624

Facts are facts and yes, trying to convince me to ignore the facts would be a fruitless endeavor.

No, I do not support Trump. He is nothing more than a pro national security version of Hillary that dislikes political correctness.
That is why I don’t understand all this silliness about choosing Hillary as C&J has done here.

Posted by: kctim at May 10, 2016 1:01 PM
Comment #404625
We will be four years w/o much progress, but it will be better than Trump running us into the rut.

Wow just think if you guys would have wised up in 2000. Or at the least 2004. “The change can come in 2020. We will be four years w/o much progress, but it will be better than Trump GWB running us into the rut.” sounds kinda good doesn’t it?

What we all seem to forget is Trump is the best of the many choices republicans had this time around. The base admired him for his honesty which while damaging to the conservatives is refreshing. The rest of the repubs were beaten by the truth which like it or not Trump spoke.

IMHO those on the right will flirt with Hillary a bit, but in the end a Trump/Palin ticket will be to much to resist and they will vote for Trump. They seem to go thru this every time they select a candidate, remember McCain and then Romney wasn’t conservative enough and then boom come election time y’all swallowed your rhetoric and voted for them anyway.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 10, 2016 1:32 PM
Comment #404626

Christine and John are the best writers at Watchblog, and although I don’t usually agree with much of what they write, at least they don’t fill up paragraph after paragraph with blarney, and are polite to other posters.

I am going to vote for HRC if she is nominated, as I voted for her in the primary, and if she is elected, I will vote for her again four years from now. If she is not nominated or elected, that will be the end of my participation in the electoral process. I don’t even want to hear what these idiots who run for public office have to say anymore, much less what they have to say about each other.

If HRC doesn’t run or win this year, I won’t care about what comes four years later. We need to change how we select candidates, but it’s never going to happen.

Posted by: ohrealy at May 10, 2016 1:38 PM
Comment #404627

Why should anyone on WB care about the presidential pick of another?

Has anyone ever, ever, changed their political views because of what they read here?

The lib/soc desire a new UnitedStatesSocialistRepublic. Perhaps they will be happy to live in this new utopia. Gladly…I won’t be here when it happens.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 10, 2016 2:14 PM
Comment #404628

Paraphrasing Obama, he claims; “People who are successful don’t realize that they have been lucky”.

And of course; “You didn’t build that, government did.”

Show of hands successful people who built something…agree or disagree?

Does Hillary believe this as well?

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 10, 2016 4:12 PM
Comment #404629

You know all to well what was meant by, “You didn’t build that”. The infrastructure necessary for a business to thrive, roads, communications, schools to educate your employees, and so many other things, are not built by the individual that relies on those to build their business. All conservative/Republican/TeaParty/etc. types know that is what was meant by that statement and just keep regurgitating the nonsense that President Obama told business owners that they did not build their businesses. This is being facetious and it grows old. Did you build every road you use when you go about your business or were they built by a combined effort of local, state and federal governments combined? Please stop with the hyperbole and join us in the real world.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 10, 2016 4:41 PM
Comment #404630

Where did government get all that money to build all those roads, educate all those employees? Private business built the communications infrastructure. Education was doing just fine before public schools monopolized it. Businesses built roads also, when they needed them.

I contend that this country thrived, not because of government, but in spite of it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 10, 2016 5:19 PM
Comment #404631

And that would be your contention, however misguided it may be. The governments get all of that money through taxes. You simply do not understand how infrastructure is built if you think that private business built everything, they did not. Take some time to understand how big of a project building a national electrical grid, airports, interstate highways, communications grids and much, much more are built and operate and you may find that you enjoy the life you do because of government and not in spite of it. When government and private business work together we are at our best as a country. I cannot explain that to you. You will need to find your own way to understand that. If you ever do.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 10, 2016 5:28 PM
Comment #404632

You can bet your beppie (?) that private business and gov’t work together. I believe the correct term for that is Corpocracy.

Fer example: Hillary has her GS speeches stored on a email server somewhere and I’ll guarantee you that no super-due cyber tech will be able to break into that one.

Posted by: roy ellis at May 10, 2016 5:36 PM
Comment #404633

Speaks…without successful individuals and businesses working hard to pay taxes government wouldn’t exist.

Why must the lib/soc always insists that without government we are helpless? We the people created government, fed it with our taxes, and expect it to be good managers of OUR money. It isn’t managing our money well and has not for a long time.

More money is spent on social welfare than all the infrastructure we build. Government enables the most undesirable of human traits…dependence upon others with a mentality that they deserve something merely by being born.

Not long ago the lib/soc were yelling for government stay out of our bedrooms. Now they are screaming for government to be involved in our toilets. This is progress?

Government spends every penny raised by taxes and must borrow more Trillions to govern us? What a farce. What a disgrace.

With $20 Trillion in debt and every tax dollar squandered do we have the best of anything material in the world here? The little that remains; pharmaceuticals, fossil fuel, hospitals, medical research and doctors, and a bit more are being attacked by the left and their leaders every day.

Our elementary and secondary schools are failing, graduates with higher degrees own hundreds of thousands, health care is hardly affordable by working folks, our roads and bridges are in bad shape, our military has been seriously degraded and our national morality has sunken lower than a snakes belly.

And…lib/soc call this progress?

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 10, 2016 5:51 PM
Comment #404634

Point out the law that created the assembly line.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 10, 2016 5:52 PM
Comment #404635

That would be the government working for private business. I was explaining that when government works with private business for the betterment of the country we all can benefit.

I could care less where Hillary stores her speeches and I expect after November of this year you won’t care either.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 10, 2016 5:54 PM
Comment #404636

Who the heck is insisting that without government we are helpless. This is the problem with conservatives today. You take something and twist it into your pretzel logic to fit what you want it to seem and then call it the truth.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 10, 2016 5:56 PM
Comment #404637

Speaks, I realize it it difficult to justify Obama’s statements. According to him, we are helpless without government. And, without “luck” we would all be poor and dismal failures.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 10, 2016 6:17 PM
Comment #404638

Weary,

Who built the internet?

Posted by: Rich at May 10, 2016 8:56 PM
Comment #404639

The more I see of Trump, the more I am appalled.

Posted by: phx8 at May 10, 2016 11:33 PM
Comment #404640

IBM, Intel, Microsoft, all had a part in making the internet accessible to all of us.

Government couldn’t have done that, nor did they want to do that. Personal computers made the internet what it is, not AlGore.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 11, 2016 12:04 AM
Comment #404641

C&J

You’re screwing with us……right ? Ha ha ha ha! Good one.

Posted by: dbs at May 11, 2016 5:35 AM
Comment #404642

The more I see of Trump, the more I am reminded of Bill Clinton 1992.

Posted by: kctim at May 11, 2016 8:57 AM
Comment #404643

kctim,
Really? Must have missed that with Bill Clinton. Did Bill Clinton accuse his opponent’s father of being involved with Lee Harvey Oswald and the JFK assassination? Trump did just that. Did Bill or Hillary Clinton ever say anything even close?

Did Bill Clinton forward a set of fake statistics from a neo-Nazi web site about how blacks were murdering whites? Anything even close? Because Trump did.

Did Bill Clinton advocate barring all the people from a religion from entering the US? Anything even close? Because Trump did.

Did Clinton suggest defaulting on the US debt by paying creditors less than the full amount of their bonds? Anything close? Because Trump did.

Did Bill Clinton call an opponent a p**** onstage? Because Trump did.

Almost every white supremacist group has endorsed Trump. Funny, but I don’t recall neo-Nazis or the KKK standing up for Clinton.

And I don’t recall Clinton addressing his audiences at a third grade comprehension level. Trump does, you know.

But you won’t address any of this, kctim, because you are caught up in making false equivalences. And the fact is, there is a HYOOOGE difference. Believe me! I promise you that is how it will be! Ah, you’re wonderful, thank you, you know you’re wonderful! This is gonna be so tremendous because I’m so smart! I went to a very good school, you know. Very good school. And I “use the best words”! (satire of things Trump has actually said).

Posted by: phx8 at May 11, 2016 10:53 AM
Comment #404644

phx8, you are so “bigly” correct!!

Posted by: Speak4all at May 11, 2016 10:56 AM
Comment #404645

Royal,

Despite all of that the U.S. is still the best deal in this town called Earth. When I find a better deal I’m sure to leave but right now this is still it. The ability of common people to have property rights, and the ability of this government to protect them, still outweighs any other country out there. Add in the reasonable prices for goods and the stagnant but substantial wages and I don’t see a better deal out there.

If we can keep government spending/GDP in the mid 30% range, hold a 3% or less deficit, and keep defense spending in the 4% range then we are still better off than Europe. With the growth in social programs and potential debt cost increases that’s going to be difficult but it can be done.

Morality and intellect are way over rated as traits for a successful President. If they were determiners then Jimmy Carter would have been the best President of my lifetime.

Posted by: George in SC at May 11, 2016 11:05 AM
Comment #404646

Phx8,
So, you don’t wish to discuss actual policy?
Sigh.

No, I don’t recall Clinton accusing his opponent’s father of being involved in a JFK conspiracy. He and his wife only accused his fellow Americans of a conspiracy to get him.

No, I do not recall Clinton retweeting something without checking out it’s source or accuracy. I do recall him lying directly to the American people.

No, I don’t recall Clinton advocating barring people from a particular religion and area for national security. I recall him laying siege on Americans of a particular religion and 86 Americans dying.

No, I don’t recall Clinton calling an opponent a p**** onstage. I recall him committing perjury.

No, I don’t recall, nor do I even care about, who endorsed Bill Clinton. If I did, the KKK endorsement of Hillary would mean something to me. I do recall though that Clinton defended a high ranking member of the KKK.

“But you won’t address any of this, kctim, because you are caught up in making false equivalences.”

But they are not false. They are merely inconvenient to the partisan narrative you are trying to push.

“And the fact is, there is a HYOOOGE difference.”

The ONLY difference is in how you treat the facts. How you will bend over backwards to defend everything that Obama or Hillary says or does. To explain what they ‘really’ meant to say or do.
On the issues and what they can actually accomplish though, there is little difference.

Posted by: kctim at May 11, 2016 12:15 PM
Comment #404647
Morality and intellect are way over rated as traits for a successful President. If they were determiners then Jimmy Carter would have been the best President of my lifetime.

Right you are George. in fact I can’t think of a close second unless you are old enough to have been born in the FDR,Truman Eisenhower era.

Our elementary and secondary schools are failing, graduates with higher degrees own hundreds of thousands, health care is hardly affordable by working folks, our roads and bridges are in bad shape, our military has been seriously degraded and our national morality has sunken lower than a snakes belly.

Perhaps it is time to rethink the starve the beast strategy Royal. Perhaps spending less on prisons more on schools? Get back to funding state colleges so the grads aren’t burdened with debt. Perhaps a Glass Segal type law to curtail the lenders? Perhaps a WPA type program to get the infrastructure back to here it should be? Throwing more money on a bloated military won’t solve any problems perhaps we need to rethink why our military is spread out all over the world. If you want to solve the morality issue look top our business leaders IMHO.

I saw in the news where a town of 500 in Nebraska turned down a processing plant that would have hired 1500 people! Smart move as it turned out, as the processor would have imported these 1500 from Somali as they are the only ones that would work for such low wages. Perhaps it is time for a $15 minimum wage and some restrictions on importing near slave labor.

DO I sound like any of the candidates out there?

Posted by: j2t2 at May 11, 2016 1:06 PM
Comment #404648

“Did Clinton suggest defaulting on the US debt by paying creditors less than the full amount of their bonds? Anything close?”

No, but Obama did with GM bond holders.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 11, 2016 2:10 PM
Comment #404649

The Hillary we see today, and remember from yesterday, will not improve as we near the general election.

She has reached her zenith and it isn’t pretty. Her voice is shrill, her appearance dowdy, and her progressive/socialist politics reminiscent of the dinosaur age. Without her pandering to special interest groups she would have few supporters.

Liberty and freedom mean little in the traditional sense to Mrs. Clinton. Liberty for her is to liberate assets and income from those who have some to those unwilling to work to get some.

Freedom for Hillary is exercised and understood as ignoring our Constitution and its individual protections.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 11, 2016 2:29 PM
Comment #404650

Sounds rather Trumpish, j2.

And, while he is highly likely to become Pres I can see no way he could build a wall or even slow down immigration.

I’m hoping his term would lead to the formation of a new 3rd party for 2020. Since reps and dems have been sorta outed as to immigration and trade one would think that after watching Trump wrestle with them for a term folks would want a new party.

But, there is little sense in having a new party unless it is founded in some rules to prevent cooption, corpocracy and so on - - -

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at May 11, 2016 2:30 PM
Comment #404651

I look forward to the coming political season. Hillary will gain the support of Sanders and become even more invigorated and ready to move on to the general election. Republicans will get in line behind Trump begrudgingly in most cases and some may not even do that.

The first debate should draw a record breaking audience. Trump will finally be exposed to a rigorous scrutiny of his policies and positions rather then being allowed to cast aspersions and one liners that have no meaning in the real world of politics other than to feed his ego. After that first debate though I don’t see that they will command the same audience level of excitement. Once the reality star is exposed as a not so savvy political personage, the debates will not provide the audience with much other than the shining example of a role model for girls and young women that Hillary will be able to display.

But we are a long way off from that and have two conventions to get through. Maybe the Republicans will invite Eastwood again, as I understand it, there will be plenty of empty seats for him to address this year.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 11, 2016 3:21 PM
Comment #404652

I hope Trump brings out the bitch in Hillbilly during that debate. We’ve all heard stories about how much of a mouth she has. I hope Trump needles her until she cracks.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 11, 2016 3:56 PM
Comment #404653

Speak,
“But we are a long way off from that and have two conventions to get through. Maybe the Republicans will invite Eastwood again, as I understand it, there will be plenty of empty seats for him to address this year.”

Heh. Good one.

RF,
Corporate bonds are not the same as Treasury bonds. There is a chance corporate bonds will not pay their interest, or the company go bankrupt with the bondholders receiving some or even none of their principle back. That is why corporate bonds pay more interest. There is more risk.

You really should not use bonds as a way to attack Obama, because you really do not know what you are talking about.

Hope you didn’t follow the advice of your investment advisor, you know, the one who told you everyone was pulling out of the market and going to cash because it was just like 2008. The whole idea is to avoid selling low. Get a new advisor.

kctim,
Comparing Waco to banning all Muslims from entering the US is the mother of all false equivalences.

The whole problem with comparing Clinton & Trump on the issues is that Trump really does not take stands on issues. He says build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, he wants to ban all Muslims from entering the country, (later he excepted world leaders and returning US citizens, and yet again just finished making an exception for the newly elected Mayor of London, who is a Muslim), and he is somehow opposed to trade deals, whatever that means.

Trump is neither liberal nor conservative. He is a narcissist who makes an authoritarian strongman appeal to supporters based on anger and resentment; in particular, he plumbs those emotions with appeals to nativism, isolationism, and protectionism, based upon hatred and bigotry and xenophobia.

There is a good reason so many principled conservatives have rejected Trump. I don’t blame them. If the same thing happened to the Democratic party, I certainly would not go along with such a disastrous candidate out of some sort of reflexive partisan loyalty. Trump took over the Republican Party and destroyed the conservatives.

The great question is, how will principled conservatives react?

Posted by: phx8 at May 11, 2016 4:01 PM
Comment #404654

I hope, though, she doesn’t go into one of her coughing fits and drops dead!

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 11, 2016 4:02 PM
Comment #404655

Royal Flush

“No, but Obama did with GM bond holders.”

Yeah but that’s okay when you’re paying off your union buddies. All the hand wringing over GM, and Chrysler collapsing was just that. What they didn’t want was the big 2 being able to file for bankruptcy and be able to renegotiate the union contracts. My brother in law worked for Visteon a supplier, and they got no such help. Non union, and no help.

Posted by: dbs at May 11, 2016 4:02 PM
Comment #404656

Speek4all your conclusions are based on Trump being judged in the general as a politician would be judged. So far in the primary he can be for abortion rights, flip flop on taxes, and advocate are raise to the minimum wage and still win. Chris Matthews thought he had him on abortion but no such luck. To Trump supporters “gotcha” doesn’t matter because he’s not a politician.

My feeling is he is going to contrast Clinton on trade, immigration and defense and other subjects like taxes, abortion, LBGTQ rights, the man on the moon he will just say what he feels at that moment. His off the cuff answers feed into the anti-politician, anti- political correctness sentiment that is out there on both sides. Clinton will be painted as the candidate from the ruling political class. She will be weak on immigration, seen as owning her husband’s trade deals, and she will lose the military vote thanks to Benghazi and the email scandal. Oh and she will have a one or two word nickname.

If you think Trump is just winging all of this then you are wrong. Not only has he put some thought into this but I guarantee you he has some very smart political insiders helping him. They have made the GOP insiders and candidates look foolish so far and I would not underestimate them.

Posted by: George in SC at May 11, 2016 4:20 PM
Comment #404657

Speaks believes…”. Hillary will gain the support of Sanders…”

Based upon what? Have you read the exit polls? Over 40% of Sanders supporters have said they will vote for Trump. Sanders has won ten of the last fifteen contests (from memory and not certain).


phx8 reminds us…”Corporate bonds are not the same as Treasury bonds…” Well duh!

Obama screwed bondholders in favor of the GM union. Bondholders take precedence over stockholders. Obama is a tyrant who hates capitalism, individual achievement, liberty and the Constitution.


IT’S AN ‘INVESTIGATION’
FBI boss Comey rebuffs Hillary’s ‘security inquiry’ narrative on emails

“The FBI director reiterated that he’s “not familiar with the term security inquiry” when told that is the phrase Clinton has used.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/11/comey-rebuffs-clinton-claim-fbi-only-conducting-security-inquiry-on-emails.html?intcmp=hpbt1

Perhaps this will be news to the lib/soc crowd. Any thinking person knows the FBI is investigating the Clinton emails.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 11, 2016 4:22 PM
Comment #404658

As I reflect on the political persuasions of the people I know and understand best, my family, I am struck by the disgust exhibited towards Trump by my granddaughters. At 11, 13, 17 and 21 they are each and every one of them appalled by his misogyny, xenophobia, and complete lack of human understanding. I would like to take some credit for this but I have never really spoken with them about politics much, although they all know I admire President Obama and they do also. They seem to have been able to discern without any chiding from me the complete lack of awareness that Trump exhibits when it comes to decorum and civility in interactions with other people. I am grateful to have been witness to their ability to judge someone and make their own decisions regarding the veracity of the individual. Of course the 5 year old offers even more in comic relief and an obliviousness to anything remotely political. I am exceedingly proud of their ability to discern the worst in people and can only hope that they will use this in their personal observations of boys and men that they encounter. Trump has provided an excellent example of what not to look for.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 11, 2016 4:35 PM
Comment #404659

Speaks, sounds like a wonderful family. Can you share their feelings about sharing their most private moments…in the toilet and showers…with males?

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 11, 2016 4:40 PM
Comment #404660

Royal Flush, everything’s different in Hillbilly’s mind. (cough) From (cough) snipers on the tar(cough, cough) tarmac to inquiries, to her it’s (cough) it(cough) it’s (cough, cough, cough, cough)

(cough, cough, cough, cough, cough, cough sip coughcoughcough coughcoughcoughhackwrech)


Posted by: Weary Willie at May 11, 2016 4:41 PM
Comment #404661

GSC, you exhibit some confidence in Trump that does not appear to be generally available from others at this blog and many across the country. My interpretations of what he has accomplished so far would not include the political acumen that you are able to attribute to him although I disagree I would never discourage your ability to look for aspirations of greatness in a politician. I just don’t think Trump has exhibited anything close to my personal requirements for that. As I said I look forward to the political season, that is except for the advertising that will become a constant annoyance to me.

RF, you can look at the polls for your answers I however will look towards people who desire the best candidate, they could never look to Trump as I see it. I don’t doubt that there will be some Sanders supporters that might become the Hillary supporters of 2008 and say “PUMA”, their loss.

Anyway, we can postulate all we want now but on the day of November 8th let’s hope we can join together and say we hope the best person wins and then move on from there.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 11, 2016 4:54 PM
Comment #404662

RF, no you pervert. You and all the rest of the people so worried about bathrooms need to bring your mentality out of the toilet. You fricking creep.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 11, 2016 4:56 PM
Comment #404663

Phx8,
I wasn’t comparing things as much as I was pointing out that the opinion, talking-point, gotcha game that you are playing goes both ways.
Every candidate will misspeak and say or do something that can be twisted by the opposition.

I totally agree that Trump has not been clear on the issues yet. This is something he will have to address and will probably begin doing so after he is officially nominated.
Until then, we can only go by his past and it sounds an awful like the same positions Bill Clinton had while President.

IMO, he won’t get a wall like we need, but he will at least address the issue. He’s not going to ban all muslims, he is going to have to work with Congress and try to strengthen visitation and immigration rules.
Fact is, he is going to surround himself with experience and work within the system.

“He is a narcissist who makes an authoritarian strongman appeal to supporters based on anger and resentment;”

I’m not a supporter of the guy either, but that is nothing more than partisan opinion formed by the fear of not having a liberal President.
Contrary to what you guys want, most Americans do not believe that putting America and Americans first is somehow evil hatred, bigotry and xenophobia.

“There is a good reason so many principled conservatives have rejected Trump.”

Yes, because he is not a principled conservative.

“I certainly would not go along with such a disastrous candidate out of some sort of reflexive partisan loyalty.”

BS.
You are doing it with Hillary and you would do it if Sanders somehow became the nominee.

“The great question is, how will principled conservatives react?”

Stay home. Vote third party. Or, if they really do care about the Constitution and the country, vote against Hillary.
I’m guessing they will stay home and Trump will be lucky to get more than 55 million votes.

Posted by: kctim at May 11, 2016 5:55 PM
Comment #404664

kctim,
The problem with using a phrase like “America First” for our foreign policy is that it has been used before. That was the slogan for the isolationists pre-WWII, who wanted the US to stay out of a conflict with the Nazis. Does that mean Trump is an isolationist? I’m not sure. Like so many things he says, it might have just been an ill-conceived notion that sounded good at the time, and he may not have known about isolationism prior to WWII.

George in SC does not believe Trump is winging it. He may be right. Other times, there is no doubt in my mind Trump is making it up as he goes along.

But that is not the part I find so appalling. I’m referring to the constant personal attacks, the thoroughly un-presidential, crass, boorish behavior. It is appalling to think people want to be represented by that.
When it comes to issues, there are plenty of reasons to disagree with HRC, or to criticize her husband’s legacy, and I am fine with that. I’m willing to vote for her because her experience and professionalism make her the best one available. But it is hard to even identify issues with Trump.

Build a wall with Mexico and make Mexico pay? That’s not going to happen. It is financially impractical, and no, Mexico will not pay for it, even if the US cuts off the money flow from here to there, which would result in a trade war.

Deport 11 million illegal immigrants? That’s not going to happen either. It is financially impractical too, not to mention the immorality of splitting up families.

Ban all Muslims from entering the US (except returning US citizens, and world leaders, and now the Mayor of London)? That’s not going to happen because that is not who we are. It is un-American. It is a fundamental violation of our ideals, and what we represent to the world.

Posted by: phx8 at May 11, 2016 6:51 PM
Comment #404665

RF, no you pervert. You and all the rest of the people so worried about bathrooms need to bring your mentality out of the toilet. You fricking creep.
Posted by: Speak4all at May 11, 2016 4:56 PM

Simple question, crass answer. No surprise.

My guess is that your female grand kids don’t wish to discuss private toilet and showering issues with you as you may cut off their allowance when their position differs from yours.

I don’t know a single woman who wants creeps and peeps watching them in the toilet or shower.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 11, 2016 7:30 PM
Comment #404666
I don’t know a single woman who wants creeps and peeps watching them in the toilet or shower.

Good thing we have laws that criminalize harassment like that.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 11, 2016 7:37 PM
Comment #404667

Harassment Warren. Get a life.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 11, 2016 7:39 PM
Comment #404668

Trump is the result of all that garbage that people view substituting for news programming. Trump is telling his poorly educated fans what they want to hear. What he says bears no relationship to what he might actually do if he was elected POTUS. I wouldn’t count him out, because he’s the worst, and that appeals to many people.

Sanders is a cranky old man who doesn’t seem to know what year it is, or believe that things happen because of what happened before and what actually exists. I don’t know why anyone would vote for him, except that he’s not a woman, and payback for HRC running against BHO 8 years ago.

HRC will probably have a more difficult time getting elected than she should.

Posted by: ohrealy at May 11, 2016 8:04 PM
Comment #404669

RF,

A bit touchy, aren’t we?

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 11, 2016 8:09 PM
Comment #404670

RF, as I have always suspected you have absolutely no experience with children or grandchildren. Had you any experience with grandchildren, you would recognize the inappropriateness of your suggested conversation. Your preoccupation with toilet habits of other people is by far the most unhealthiest display we have witnessed from you. And yes it makes you appear to be a perverted creep.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 11, 2016 8:12 PM
Comment #404671

Absolutely Warren, when creeps and peeps are allowed to be in the same toilet or shower with my wife or young school girls I tend to get touchy.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 11, 2016 8:13 PM
Comment #404672

And yes it makes you appear to be a perverted creep.
Posted by: Speak4all at May 11, 2016 8:12 PM

More crass remarks. How fu*king stupid is your comment. I am the “preverted creep” while the real creeps and peeks get a pass from you.

I supposed Speaks is now toileting and showering with his “girls”. Great family.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 11, 2016 8:16 PM
Comment #404673

RF, you are the only one here suggesting cisgender men share facilities with cisgender women.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 11, 2016 8:36 PM
Comment #404674

RF,
You’re earlier comment was WAY out of line and you owe Speak an apology. Speak was kind enough to share a personal detail and you used it to behave like a troll.

ohrealy,
Caught a few minutes of a Glenn Beck interview tonight, and he asked a good question about Trump. How much of his support comes from name recognition and people who watch reality tv, and imagine his scripted lines are the real thing? I don’t watch those shows. I’m guessing a lot of people do. These are the kind of people who need to hear their speeches delivered to them at a third grade comprehension level.

Posted by: phx8 at May 11, 2016 11:30 PM
Comment #404675

I was surprised to see so many comments. I was not tending the garden properly. I apologize for not commenting on individual presentations.

I am so sad to see my country so angry and disjointed. I really am not sure what direction to take. I fall back on history and experience. As a voting adult, I have lived through six presidents. Democrats and Republicans in equal measure. Congress has been controlled by Democrat and Republicans for similar amounts of time. I have enthusiastically supported some policies and been wrong. I have vehemently opposed others and also been wrong. Sometimes I have been right too. But the Republic has survived through it all.

Reagan was the best president of my lifetime, but I also liked Bill Clinton. George W Bush was a disappointment to me and I think honest Democrats will admit that Barack Obama is a disappointment to them. This may have less to do with them with than with our expectations. Presidents just are not that crucial. This is a good thing.

The American nation is greater than the American government. Most of what happens in our country does not depend on the president or the Federal government in general.

I am not saying that elections do not matter. I think we still benefit from the reforms of the Reagan times. But let’s be bipartisan.

One of the wisest pieces of legislation in my lifetime was the Staggers Act. Most have not heard of it, but they benefit whenever they buy anything. This was the act the deregulated the U.S. rail system and made our freight rail system the best in the world, something else most people do not know. We would like to credit this to Reagan or critic would blame his deregulation. It passed in 1980, the year Reagan was elected but before he had a chance to do anything.

Posted by: Christine & John at May 12, 2016 1:18 AM
Comment #404676

I was surprised to see so many comments. I was not tending the garden properly. I apologize for not commenting on individual presentations.

I am so sad to see my country so angry and disjointed. I really am not sure what direction to take. I fall back on history and experience. As a voting adult, I have lived through six presidents. Democrats and Republicans in equal measure. Congress has been controlled by Democrat and Republicans for similar amounts of time. I have enthusiastically supported some policies and been wrong. I have vehemently opposed others and also been wrong. Sometimes I have been right too. But the Republic has survived through it all.

Reagan was the best president of my lifetime, but I also liked Bill Clinton. George W Bush was a disappointment to me and I think honest Democrats will admit that Barack Obama is a disappointment to them. This may have less to do with them with than with our expectations. Presidents just are not that crucial. This is a good thing.

The American nation is greater than the American government. Most of what happens in our country does not depend on the president or the Federal government in general.

I am not saying that elections do not matter. I think we still benefit from the reforms of the Reagan times. But let’s be bipartisan.

One of the wisest pieces of legislation in my lifetime was the Staggers Act. Most have not heard of it, but they benefit whenever they buy anything. This was the act the deregulated the U.S. rail system and made our freight rail system the best in the world, something else most people do not know. We would like to credit this to Reagan or critic would blame his deregulation. It passed in 1980, the year Reagan was elected but before he had a chance to do anything.

Posted by: Christine & John at May 12, 2016 1:19 AM
Comment #404680

C&J,

I think Reagan gets a lot of credit for things Carter did.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 12, 2016 7:28 AM
Comment #404681


RF apparently is confused about the difference between a transvestite and a transsexual.

It appears the image from the right is that of a drag queen, with a 5 o’clock shadow wearing argyle socks with tennis shoes and chomping on a short stogie.

I would be willing to bet actual money that RF and Willie couldn’t tell the difference between a transsexual male and an actual woman, and, oh BTW, hanging out in women’s bathrooms, leering at the women is probably the furthest thing from a ts male’s mind.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at May 12, 2016 8:17 AM
Comment #404682

Warren

Presidents get a lot of credit and blame for lots of things they didn’t do.

We have the fallacy of agency, where greater societal and economic trends are attributed to political leaders. Clinton got credit for an economy that developed under Bush 1 and Bush 2 got blamed for an economy that developed under Clinton. Notice that I said “developed under” not “created.”

The problem is that the things that government can do the most good are slow acting and require a lot of effort from the people. The people often demand fast solutions that require little from them. It is exactly backwards.

Consider the most effective legislation (that few know about) We have the Land Ordinance of 1785 & Northwest Ordinance 1987 that set up the whole system of land ownership (fee simple, set up the way to bring in new states and established how we set up townships. W/o those things, America would be more like Argentina or Brazil. Some others. The Homestead Act that created a group of independent property owners. The Morrill Act, that created the land-grant universities, on which America’s technological prowess is based. The Smith-Level Act that created agricultural extension and made our land so much more productive and agriculture more sustainable. Of course, the GI Bill.

What they ALL have in common is that they empowered people to do things that were good for them and their country AND required their effort to get what they wanted. They also have in common that they all too decades, generations or centuries to play out. The wise men who originated them are long dead and forgotten. They got little or no political gain from their efforts and sometimes paid a price.

Posted by: Christine & John at May 12, 2016 9:19 AM
Comment #404683

phx8, thanks but we are all to familiar with RF’s penchant to change the discussion when it suits his goals. When a salient comment regarding the efficacy of his preferred candidate is presented in a discussion about just that, he has to yell “look over there, it’s a bathroom squirrel”. This provides the cover he needs to push the comment he cannot refute into obscurity, in his befuddled estimation.

CJ, you really know how to make a guy feel old. After your comment I started counting presidents that I have witnessed. My gosh 10 of them! My opinion of the performance of presidents would be ranked in order of my precedence would begin with Obama, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton and then the rest in no particular order. Eisenhower is a notable exception from my partisan point of view. I was young and saw his leadership as a welcome relief from the precipice of World War that we had just come out of. His insight into the MIC was prescient and still holds true today.

Our Presidents offer something I consider as an Esprit de corps. They help us embody their tenure in office as a guide. I expect that is why GWB gets ranked so low, it was not pretty. I am glad I voted for President Obama twice and never held any contentions that he would “change the world”. He and his family have presented themselves as admirable and will be viewed historically as not only our first minority President but also an example of American exceptionalism, in the good way not that ugly American exceptionalism that some would portray.

I cannot imagine what a Trump presidency would exhibit and I am not anxious to find out.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 12, 2016 9:40 AM
Comment #404684

Phx8,
The only problem with using a phrase like “America First” for our foreign policy is that some will try to score political points by equating it with strict isolationism.
Looking out for our best interests should not distance us from other countries, and if it does it is probably due to money and they are not worth having as an ally.

Of course Trump is winging it, he is not a politician and is learning as he goes. That’s part of what people like about him.

“I’m willing to vote for her because her experience and professionalism make her the best one available.”

There is nothing exceptional about any of her ‘experience.’
Dishonesty and constantly claiming that you ‘misspoke,’ are hardly signs of professionalism.

Yes, it is hard to identify issues with Trump. But, if you take what he says and what is possible, you can get a pretty good of idea IF he follows through.
A wall isn’t going to be a 100 ft. tall that stretches across the entire border. Parts will be physical, parts will be virtual, and parts will be manned.
Illegal aliens cost us tens of billions a year. We give Mexico hundreds of millions a year. Financially impractical? No. Politically impractical? Sadly, yes.

No, we will not be able to track down and deport 11 million illegal aliens. But we can go back to deporting those who are discovered and we can stop encouraging them by giving them benefits and special treatment.

No, we are not going to ban all muslims, but in the name of national security we can better control immigration and visits from known terrorist areas.

Putting the safety of Americans at risk, destroying our culture and putting America second, is what is un-American.

Posted by: kctim at May 12, 2016 9:46 AM
Comment #404685

Speaks

You cannot really rate Obama #1. The best you can say about him is that he didn’t mess up as bad as many thought. The economy returned to mediocre prosperity in spite of him and with the biggest push from the fracking energy boom, which he initially opposed. I give him credit for mostly coming to a reasonable position on this, but it was what a reasonable person would have done even earlier.


As for the others, not taking in partisan, surely Clinton and Kennedy rank above Carter. I would put Obama ahead of Carter but below Clinton & Kennedy.

Surprised you didn’t mention Johnson. Johnson was the most effective president of the 2nd half of the 20th Century. I don’t like many of the things he did, but he did them. Most of what we think of as the liberal state is Johnson’s creation.

Eisenhower was a very good president. It is interesting how historians have changed their minds about him. His reputation has gone way up.

Posted by: Christine & John at May 12, 2016 11:31 AM
Comment #404686

Re Trump

We should get used to him and hope he can be moderated. I think he has an excellent chance of winning the presidency. Hillary is an extraordinarily weak candidate and growing weaker while Trump gets stronger.

I still hold out the hope that the Lord, who especially favors the United States of America, will step in, incapacitating both and giving us another chance to get it right.

Posted by: Christine & John at May 12, 2016 11:38 AM
Comment #404687

CJ, you can’t really presume to tell me who and how to rank my presidential preferences, although appreciate your comment. Yes I do rank him as the best but don’t expect you to understand why since you have never held a very high opinion of him. I don’t consider your opinion of him something that I should acknowledge.

Carter was and is one of the finest men to hold the office of President of this country. I never once believed any of the Republican conservative backwash they produced about him. His most recent accomplishments would only cement my estimation of him as a leader.

I considered Johnson a president of convenience and ascension rather than elected. Although he was elected, he obtained the position with the demise of Kennedy more than his campaigning. By the way I forgot to include Ford in my count, so now I am up to 11 and looking towards 12. Who knows perhaps even 13 when all is said and done.

I suppose our discussion regarding presidents is very subjective to say the least but I am glad we can do so without animosity and angst. I have great faith in this country as I believe you exhibit. That we disagree about which President we like best is a very good reason to celebrate that faith.

I am thoroughly dismayed at how today’s Republicans and conservatives don’t ever even mention Ike. He was so much more a President, Commander-in-Chief and leader than Reagan and yet Reagan gets all of the laudatory comments. Ike would have thoroughly disagreed with some of the positions Reagan(MIC proliferation) held but then I am certain he would disagree with a lot of the positions Obama holds also, but perhaps not we will never know if either is true.

Clinton or Trump appear to be next in line. Who knows, if it is Clinton, the first woman president may be something that history will be unable to assail and just acknowledge the accomplishment. Trump, I am afraid, would lead to some very unkind comparisons to previous disastrous presidencies.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 12, 2016 12:32 PM
Comment #404688

“RF,
You’re earlier comment was WAY out of line and you owe Speak an apology. Speak was kind enough to share a personal detail and you used it to behave like a troll.”

Really phx8? Let’s examine your charge.

Speaks wrote; “I am struck by the disgust exhibited towards Trump by my granddaughters. At 11, 13, 17 and 21 they are each and every one of them appalled by his misogyny, xenophobia, and complete lack of human understanding.”

He felt compelled to use his granddaughters to slam Trump. I simply asked how they felt about the politically charged issue on opposite-gender toileting and showering.

For that; I was called a pervert.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 12, 2016 1:30 PM
Comment #404689

Rocky writes; “RF apparently is confused about the difference between a transvestite and a transsexual.”

Does Rocky actually believe that every man wearing women’s clothing is a transsexual?

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 12, 2016 1:48 PM
Comment #404690

The University of Chicago Institute of Politics has a YouTube channel

They put up a couple of interesting videos recently, one called Who Created Donald Trump.

I was born when Truman was POTUS, so I’ve lived through a few. In Eisenhower’s time, the country was relatively poor, but many things didn’t cost very much. At that time, the core of the culture of this country was the area comprised of those states that were on the Union side in the Civil War. Average incomes outside of that area were even lower. Gradually, other places began to enter the mainstream, mostly urban centers like Atlanta, Dallas and Houston.

I don’t rate Kennedy that high, since he was in office for such a short time, although he was inspirational to so many people. Johnson did a lot but was resented for Vietnam. Nixon started out well, but turned into a disaster. Ford was nice, but he didn’t last long either. Carter was a real unifier. People didn’t trust him at first, but he had integrity. Reagan started out well, but turned into another disaster, and would have been worse if not for his wife. Both Bushes were completely useless IMO. Clinton was the right man at the right time at the right age, and everything was going so well that the Rpblcns had an ego collapse and began attacking him like they were at war. I don’t have that high of an opinion of BHO. He’s okay, but doesn’t compare to Clinton. HRC is about the same age as Reagan was when he became POTUS. A President should be in their 50s, not 70 years old when elected. I’m too old to be President.

Posted by: ohrealy at May 12, 2016 1:52 PM
Comment #404691
I am so sad to see my country so angry and disjointed. I really am not sure what direction to take.

Well we do reap what we so don’t we C&J. It seems the conservative revolution of the 90’s achieved it’s goals. The anger from the working class is because this isn’t what we were told would be the result of the conservative influence, of free trade. Seems all that trickled down was low wages and a higher income taxes on the working poor, while corporations import lower wage workers under the guise of “free trade”. As we continue towards third world country status people will only get angrier IMHO. MAybe next election cycle it will the dems establishment getting their heads handed to them by a reality TV star.

Reagan was the best president of my lifetime,

If we are rating presidents by corruption then of course hands down Reagan was the best, but only in the corruption category, oh.. and…. in the taking credit for the work of others category he would again be the best.

George was basing his opinion on morality and intellect which would put Reagan at the bottom of the pile along with GWB.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 12, 2016 2:06 PM
Comment #404692

Speaks

Re Carter - no doubt a good an honorable man, just not a good president. What he did after the presidency has no bearing on our judgement of him while he held the job.

Re Obama - indeed, I do not have a high opinion of him. I never was a supporter, but like almost 90% of Americans in January 2009, I had high hopes for him and like most others I was disappointed.

Re Ike - I have a very high opinion of him, but he was a long time ago. I think we reference presidents we remember. Eisenhower also had a unique style that made historians underestimate him for two decades and still makes it hard to appreciate him. He worked indirectly and often avoided taking credit or even being seen to be involved. He didn’t care if people thought he was stupid and would play the obfuscation card that the more insecure folks cannot.

Re Clinton as first woman president - few people really care anymore. We all assume a woman will be president soon; it need not be Hillary. She has become very frustrated because the woman thing seems to matter little for younger women. And - say what you want about him - Trump but has really boxed her in on this issue. She clearly enabled Bill. Trump knows it; we know it; Hillary knows it and she knows that we know. Until Trump she got away with it. No more.

Posted by: Christine & John at May 12, 2016 2:11 PM
Comment #404693

CJ, the young ladies in my family would not share your opinion that “it need not be Hillary” and that her presidency means little to them. They are adamant in their support of her and about as adamant as they are about their dislike of Trump. I find it difficult to believe that you could say after 240 years any woman is willing to say “don’t worry we can bide our time for maybe another 240 years or more”. I would have to consider your opinion about that to be way to subjective to be relevant.

Yah, Trump is going to look pretty foolish attempting to castigate Hillary regarding her part in her husband’s philandering. I am certain she will have no problem pointing out his misogynistic problem with women, and believe me the women I know will take her side in that foray along with myself.

Anyway, glad to see your bipartisan approach to this election outcome and hope that can be re-enforced even if Hillary is elected as our next President. So far she will have my vote. I will attempt to do the same if there ever is a President Trump.

RF, even though I have mentioned the female members of my family, please try to keep your perverted creepy thoughts to yourself regarding them. I do however understand that some of these perversions are difficult to overcome and hope you can manage that. I am giving you no license to include them in any comment you make by the mere mention of them in my comment. But a silly old fool such as yourself takes license where none is given, so I don’t expect much.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 12, 2016 2:58 PM
Comment #404694

It appears to me that my liberal, progressive and socialist friends on WB are confused about what conservatives believe. I will go with this simple statement by the greatest president of my lifetime.

Former President Ronald Reagan said, “The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference, less centralized authority and more individual freedom.”

Those who would denigrate President Reagan have perhaps forgotten…

Ronald Reagan Popular vote 43,903,230 Electoral Vote 489

James Carter Popular vote 35,480,115 Electoral Vote 49

Ronald Reagan Popular vote 54,455,472 Electoral Vote 525

Walter Mondale Popular vote 37,577,352 Electoral Vote 13

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 12, 2016 3:05 PM
Comment #404695

“RF, even though I have mentioned the female members of my family, please try to keep your perverted creepy thoughts to yourself regarding them.”

Speaks…what hubris, what arrogance, what overbearing nonsense is this crap you write?

You use family to promote your jaundiced political views and then place them off limits for response.

You’re a clown Speaks.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 12, 2016 3:12 PM
Comment #404696

The hubris and arrogance is all yours. Please try to refrain from your lascivious thoughts regarding my comments. The behavior you exhibit here is just something I would call disgusting. Nothing is off limits to a neophyte to the norms of human interaction such as yourself.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 12, 2016 3:18 PM
Comment #404697

Speaks is writing very strange stuff today. Switch to coffee or a soft drink my friend.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 12, 2016 3:27 PM
Comment #404698

“Does Rocky actually believe that every man wearing women’s clothing is a transsexual?”

Maybe I’m going out on a limb here, but I’m betting that any man with breasts, be they implants or hormone induced, has moved toward being a transsexual.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’m also pretty sure that RF doesn’t want to have to explain to children why the lady with the boobs is using the men’s room.

Perhaps RF doesn’t understand that there are female to male transsexuals as well, and they’re using his bathroom.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at May 12, 2016 6:53 PM
Comment #404699

Can’t answer my question Rocky? I understand…you won’t; because it will reveal the fallacy of your position.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 12, 2016 7:17 PM
Comment #404700

Capitalism is the only system that can create and maintain a middle class. Anyone disagree?

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 12, 2016 7:26 PM
Comment #404702


“Can’t answer my question Rocky? I understand…you won’t; because it will reveal the fallacy of your position”

The fallacy of my position…?

Hummm

Could you be more priggish Royal?

Perhaps if you delved into my first post you would find I identified them as transvestites.

From Merriam Webster;

” a person and especially a male who adopts the dress and often the behavior typical of the opposite s$x especially for purposes of emotional or $exual gratification”

Very, very few transvestites are going to spend the time, money and emotional trauma to become a trans$$exual, or transgender if you will, merely to ogle women in a public bathroom.

The thought of it is pure ignorance.

Whose position is a fallacy now?

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at May 12, 2016 8:12 PM
Comment #404703

Jack,

PJ O’Rourke was on NPR recently and he summed up my feelings of Trump to a tee.

“This man just can’t be president,” O’Rourke said, alluding to the nuclear codes the commander-in-chief takes control of upon assuming office. “They’ve got this button — this briefcase. He’s going to find it.”

Need I say more?

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at May 12, 2016 8:20 PM
Comment #404704
Former President Ronald Reagan said, “The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference, less centralized authority and more individual freedom.”

How ironic you would quote the most corrupt president in modern history on conservative beliefs Royal. Were I to preside over such a corrupt administration I would want less government interference or as you say more individual freedom as well. Instead I prefer the rule of law and liberty tempered with responsibility for all.

Those who would denigrate President Reagan have perhaps forgotten…

Royal perhaps it is you and others who idolize Reagan that have forgotten. “The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any US president.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals

Talk about a lack of morality and intellect, the Reagan administration thugs makes GWB look good IMHO. And that is hard to do.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 13, 2016 12:32 AM
Comment #404710
George in SC does not believe Trump is winging it. He may be right. Other times, there is no doubt in my mind Trump is making it up as he goes along.

I’m not saying he’s not making it up as he goes phx8; I think he runs off at the mouth with whatever comes through his head on most of what he considers core issues (trade, immigration, strong defense). I’m saying that his “winging it” is part of a political strategy designed to attract voters who are tired of political double speak. I’m not sure if it was his idea or an idea of a political consultant that’s working with him but there is method to his perceived madness.

If you’ve ever been around campaign consultants you know that they think differently than an individual might think about a campaign. They are always trying to move a certain, targeted group that might be the difference between a win or a loss and they could appeal to something that cuts across what most people see as the blue/red divide. In this case I believe the target are people who are fed up with PC and political double speak and those are on both sides.

Two articles worth reading:

Paul Johnson “When Excess is a Virtue”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/currentevents/2016/03/23/when-excess-is-a-virtue/#3726016734b5

An interview with the late Rod Shealy. I had many drinks with Rod before he died and how he looked at a campaign had nothing to do with political views.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/401/negative-campaigns.html

Posted by: George in SC at May 13, 2016 9:42 AM
Comment #404712

Sorry non core issues in the above. He has a pretty standard script on the big three and then just says what he feels or redirects on all other questions. It gets him in trouble (abortion) with the champions of PC the press but to some blue and some red voters it is refreshing.

Posted by: George in SC at May 13, 2016 9:46 AM
Comment #404713

George:

I agree that the biggest appeal of Trump seems to be that he is not interested in PC. There appear to be lots of voters that that have swallowed the way the world has changed in the last 10 years, and kept their head down and mouth shut, regardless of how they feel. I believe they are tired of being told to accept what they may not agree with and like it too, from the progressive/PC crowd.

Posted by: Mike in Tampa at May 13, 2016 10:01 AM
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Mike in Tampa I would offer the “progressive/PC crowd” only contains half the politically correct group. As an example when I use “tea bagger” to describe members of the tea party these conservative/PC types get all upset. The same when we hear extremist conservatives called fascist or extremist for that matter. PC is much more than racial slurs IMHO and it affects both sides of the aisle.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Derogatory_terms

These slurs are used to demonize others. To think Trump gets approval because he uses slurs to demonize doesn’t say a lot about the Trumpsters IMHO. People who believe civility in language is some type of problem seem to think it is one sided but when confronted with slurs against them get very defensive especially those who think their right to slur is being infringed.

Trump has spoke to many other issues as well however, he doesn’t have the zeal of many conservative candidates who want to rid us of SS and Medicare as an example, and that attracts many on the right who share other conservative goals. Some of course want to be able to use racial slurs and not feel the guilt of public opinion against them but it is a bit more than the single issue.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 13, 2016 11:58 AM
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Rocky Marks, I have already stated my opinion of women in men’s bathrooms and men in women’s rooms. If they can pull it off, what difference, at this point, does it make?

Not having seen Bruce Jenner in person, I have know idea if he can “pull it off”. However, he has stated he will not disfigure himself. He said he still is attracted to women. In all intent and purpose he is still a man. He simply dresses as a woman.

This is a man who himself identifies as a man, yet Democratics say he should be able to force his way into a woman’s bathroom/shower because he wears a dress.

What happened to being compassionate? What happened to treating those with mental illness? Are you willing to discount those attributes your party touts in favor of causing turmoil by pandering to a minuscule segment of society?

If your party is really concerned with helping people be equal they would not be focusing on someone’s whims, but actually focusing on the many mentally ill people who live on the streets and out of dumpsters. Your party should be pandering to them with aid and opportunity instead of pandering to a much smaller group of people who choose to be mentally unstable.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 14, 2016 9:34 AM
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If they can pull it off, what difference, at this point, does it make?

Ask Pat McCrory and his allies in the NC legislature. They are the ones using government to tell people which facilities they can and cannot use. According to the law they passed, a person who has all the female secondary $ex characteristics including short stature, reduced muscle mass, breasts and hourglass figure must use a men’s room because a piece of paper is marked with an “M”.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 14, 2016 12:22 PM
Comment #404747

Willie,

“However, he has stated he will not disfigure himself. He said he still is attracted to women. In all intent and purpose he is still a man. He simply dresses as a woman.”

Then he is defined as a transvestite, not a transs3xual, or a transgender.

This is much ado about nothing. Like I said those that can pass, you wouldn’t know the difference and the law is a waste of time.
Those that can’t pass are looking for a harassment suit.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at May 14, 2016 1:25 PM
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As I said before, the whole discussion is a waste of time. I think we’ve all forgotten what and who started this discussion in the first place.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 14, 2016 2:21 PM
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