Giving up

Watching the Sunday morning news programs has been one of my rituals since I was in college. Now, however, I am going to take a break. It is just too depressing. So I am going into proactive denial. I have lots of books to read - subjects like forestry or ancient history far from today’s politics - and I will not think about politics for the next few months. Until that time, I will expect the unexpected outcome that will provide a reasonable choice. I have faith that when I again turn my attention to politics, we will have a couple of decent candidates.

Maybe I will watch one of those nasty reality shows. It will be a step up from actual reality of our politics.

Posted by Christine & John at February 28, 2016 10:34 AM
Comments
Comment #403042

Unfortunately, chickens are coming home to roost for both parties as identity politics unravels for each. For Republicans, the feeling is a negative one. Fear and hatred for “outsiders” such as Muslims or Latin American immigrants are bringing people worried about White America’s future to the polls in droves. For Democrats, years of affirmative action and double standards are allowing a relatively unaccomplished scandal-plagued woman sweep the field of several very credibly Democratic candidates. Most notably, governors with successful track records have been cast away by both parties in favor of Senatorial ideologues.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 28, 2016 2:25 PM
Comment #403045

Warren wrote; “Fear and hatred for “outsiders” such as Muslims or Latin American immigrants are bringing people worried about White America’s future to the polls in droves.”

Using words such as “Fear and hatred” do not characterize the feelings of most Americans. Concern is a much better and appropriate term.

Only a foolish person would not have deep concerns about our safety and the danger represented by Muslim extremists. We know from our immediate past what calamity they are capable of rendering.

Illegal immigration is harmful to our nation otherwise it would not be illegal.

C/J, I do not find this “silly season” in political nonsense to be much different from the past. I listen carefully to candidates from both parties as I usually learn something.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 28, 2016 2:51 PM
Comment #403046

While some folks may be turned off by our primary election process, the interest this time in the primary and caucus process is tremendous. Voter turnout is unusually high and that is a good thing. America benefits when more Americans become involved in choosing candidates. Our choices are limited in the General Election.

I am reminded of the statement by the Peter Finch character in the movie Network. Howard Beale said…”I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it any longer.”

That sums up the attitude of our electorate today.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 28, 2016 2:57 PM
Comment #403047
Only a foolish person would not have deep concerns about our safety and the danger represented by Muslim extremists. We know from our immediate past what calamity they are capable of rendering.

Only a fool would worry more about Islamist terrorism than gun violence perpetrated by American Christians. Numerically speaking, the risks posed by the latter are much greater.

Illegal immigration is harmful to our nation otherwise it would not be illegal.
Handguns must be harmful, otherwise they would not be illegal in much of the developed world, right?
”I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it any longer.”

Why do you whitewash this fear and anger as mere “concern”?

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 28, 2016 4:06 PM
Comment #403050

Warren is sounding shrill and illogical. Guess I’ll give him a break and hope he recovers from whatever ails him.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 28, 2016 6:46 PM
Comment #403052

Apparently, you have nothing to back up your claims, which leads you to resort to an ad hominen response.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 28, 2016 6:55 PM
Comment #403053

Warren, is your memory so faulty that you can no longer recall all the fanatical Muslim terrorism in America and elsewhere that has killed thousands?

Your apparent hatred for Christians is very concerning. I will pray for you.

Illegal immigration in America compares with laws banning guns in other nations in what way?

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 28, 2016 7:02 PM
Comment #403054

Roughly 3000 people were murdered in 2001. It was a tragedy and we must remain vigilant to prevent another attack. That said, many more Americans die in many other ways. Those other threats to American lives deserve to be prioritized ahead of terrorism.

Your apparent hatred for Christians is very concerning. I will pray for you.
While I always appreciate your prayers, I do not know where you get this notion that my statement that the majority of murders in this country are committed by Christians is somehow an expression of hatred towards Christians. It is not the fault of the millions of peace-loving Christians that a few of their kind commit terrible acts just as it is not the fault of the millions of peace-loving Muslims that a few of their brethren commit horrific acts. Violence is endemic to all human societies and I do not advocate pretending that one society has a higher propensity to commit violence than another. For purely illustrative purposes, I may occasionally point out that the same logic that leads you to condemn Muslims can easily be turned around to condemn Christians, but my true belief is to blame neither religion for the actions of just a handful of its adherents.
Illegal immigration in America compares with laws banning guns in other nations in what way?

Are immigrants harmful merely because we have laws prohibiting them? I think you can do better than that. We are both well aware that unjust laws exist, such as those that disarm people in other nations.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 28, 2016 7:24 PM
Comment #403055

Warped, Show me where American Christians hijacked Airliners and flew them into buildings killing thousands. Handguns don’t kill by themselves, they need a deranged person pulling the trigger. As far as American Christians that kill they are like “R”inos and “D”inos, in name only.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at February 28, 2016 7:32 PM
Comment #403056

Warren wrote; “I may occasionally point out that the same logic that leads you to condemn Muslims can easily be turned around to condemn Christians, but my true belief is to blame neither religion for the actions of just a handful of its adherents.”

Gross misstatement of my comments. Unless in error, I always preface with the word “terrorist”.

I do not condone terrorism in any religion. Frankly, I don’t believe it is a belief in the Creator God that makes anyone kill. Killing another human requires evil intentions.

Warren asks; “Are immigrants harmful merely because we have laws prohibiting them?”

Warren, the law doesn’t make them “harmful”.

Here’s your assignment. Research why laws were written protecting our borders from illegal entry. Get back with us. Then we can talk.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 28, 2016 7:53 PM
Comment #403057

Many people who are allowed to get away with breaking the law will push the limits. If a person who doesn’t commit crime in their home country because of strict laws are “allowed” to come here illegally/break the law their propensity to break the law will be enhanced. If they allow themselves to break the law and get away with it they will have less of an inhibition to break the law again.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 28, 2016 9:15 PM
Comment #403058

C&J, I look forward to your “book reports” on the reading you will be doing.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 28, 2016 9:16 PM
Comment #403060

From wiki: “The Servian Wall (Latin: Murus Servii Tullii, Italian: Mura serviane) was a defensive barrier constructed around the city of Rome in the early 4th century BC. The wall was up to 10 metres (32.8 ft) in height in places, 3.6 metres (12 ft) wide at its base, 11 km (7 mi) long.”

A 32ft wall in 4BC. Imagine that. And, this one was followed by another 10 or so walls. All for 1 reason’ security.

The anger and frustration with Corpocracy has been built up over a couple of hundred years.

God fearing, moral and ethical folks have been pushed to their limit, IMO.

By the numbers:

A century of open border policy while drug, people, contraband, and similar.

A $20T debt pushed off on our grandkids and their kids and their kids.

73% of African American babies born out of wedlock.

Trade policies for big business

Insane foreign policy pitting the Sunni against the Shite. I means this is the height of …

It’s just a waste of words, why even bother.

On the muslim issue; there is a history there. Before Mohammed invented Islam there were Christians of various denominations living throughout the ME. Islam managed to take them out, one sect at time.

The idea is to gain access thru being sociable. Then begin with the political and later put them to the sword. Been going on in Africa for hundreds of years. The Arabs were running slave trades out of Africa for a 1000 years before American was discovered, and so on — -

I’m sure the Corpocracy will see fit to set up some Sharia outposts over the next decade or so. Does anyone on WB believe that the refugees won’t be infiltrated with ISIS?

Dr. Carson says that the Syrians want to stay in the area and return to their country after the wars. The Sunni, Kurds, Christians and UN could provide security. Just insane policy by the Corpocracy, IMO.


C&J, we could get behind Ben Carson for President. He is a common sense conservative, invokes capitalism, individualism and limited gov’t.

But, alas, he is not a pretty boy - rock star = entertainer - and loudmouth. So he doesn’t stand a chance but, we could vote for him.

Posted by: roy ellis at February 28, 2016 10:19 PM
Comment #403061
Show me where American Christians hijacked Airliners and flew them into buildings killing thousands.
Over 14000 Americans were murdered last year. The overwhelming majority by Christians. You and I can agree that this behavior isn’t very Christian, just like how the terrorism perpetrated by Al Qaeda or DAESH isn’t very Islamic. In any case, the number of Americans killed by terrorism in the last 15 years is quite small when compared to many other threats.
As far as American Christians that kill they are like “R”inos and “D”inos, in name only.
Very true. We have MINOS and CINOS as much as we have RINOS and DINOS. People of all faiths are capable of murder. So why should we single out one faith for the crimes of a few of its adherents when we won’t do the same for another?
Unless in error, I always preface with the word “terrorist”.
As you should. However, when I talk about Muslims in a general sense and you respond with concerns regarding extremist Islamists, then that sends me a message that you are conflating the two together.
the law doesn’t make them “harmful”.
No, but you are assuming infallibility on the part of the drafters of immigration law. Have you considered the possibility that laws prohibiting immigration may be just as nonsensical as laws prohibiting gun ownership? Posted by: Warren Porter at February 28, 2016 10:45 PM
Comment #403062

Warren Porter, it sounds like you don’t know what a Christian is. Are you saying everyone in the U.S. is a Christian and therefore Christians murdered 14,000 people?

That’s absurd! Especially when you consider the people who profess to be Atheist, agnostic, or any number of other religions.

To try to make us believe it is only Christians who murder people in the U.S. is insulting.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 28, 2016 10:57 PM
Comment #403069

I love the Christians. They are wonderful and hard-working. I think they are great people.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 29, 2016 8:16 AM
Comment #403070

Then why are you saying Christians are the ones committing the most murders?
Is it simple statistics, ie. U.S. population is mostly christian therefore christians commit the most murder, or do you really believe Christianity is an evil, murderous religion?

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 29, 2016 8:41 AM
Comment #403071

“…or do you really believe Christianity is an evil, murderous religion?”

Boy, you surely went the long way around the barn to get there Willie.

“Is it simple statistics, ie. U.S. population is mostly christian therefore christians commit the most murder…”

Gee, ya think.

Royal,

“Only a foolish person would not have deep concerns about our safety and the danger represented by Muslim extremists.”

Deep concerns? Seriously?

How many people have died in a terrorist attack in this country in the last year? 5 Years? 10 years?

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at February 29, 2016 9:01 AM
Comment #403073

Rocky, the key word is “MOSTLY”. People may call themselves Christian and live like the Devil that I would NOT consider Christian. Out of that 14000 murders Warped mentioned I would say that a very minute percentage may have been done by a True Christian who snapped. How many people have died in terrorist attacks in this country in the last 5 years, lets see San Bernadino comes to mind and thankfully to our vigilant law enforcement more haven’t happened.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at February 29, 2016 10:27 AM
Comment #403074

Rich,

“Out of that 14000 murders Warped mentioned I would say that a very minute percentage may have been done by a True Christian who snapped.”

Can anyone actually say who a “True Christian” is?

I’m 63 years old, have traveled the world and have met many, many people who call themselves “Christian”. I have to say that in reality I could probably count the number of actual “Christ-like” people on one hand.

“…lets see San Bernadino comes to mind and thankfully to our vigilant law enforcement more haven’t happened.”

Vigilant? Surely you jest.
Our “vigilant” law enforcement professionals have entrapped a few dolts over the past few years but the threat is miniscule, and anyone that has “deep concerns” about terrorists needs a hobby, or something more productive to occupy their time.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at February 29, 2016 10:58 AM
Comment #403076
the key word is “MOSTLY”. People may call themselves Christian and live like the Devil that I would NOT consider Christian.

KAP, we agree! Smart statement on your part, KAP, the ability to understand that just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn’t mean they practice what the Christian religion preaches, is an important point. My question is seeing as you understand this point why would you not say the same thing about other religions as well? Specifically Muslims. Many on the right seem to understand the concept when it comes to Christians but not when it comes to Muslims.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 29, 2016 11:43 AM
Comment #403077

Rocky, I am 68 years old and like you have traveled the world. I to have met many people who call themselves Christian but I don’t have enough fingers and toes or hairs on my head to count the actual “Christ like” people I have met. It depends on how you think a “Christ Like” person should be. Every Christian I know is still HUMAN and still has faults if you judge by their faults I guess you would have negative feelings about them.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at February 29, 2016 11:49 AM
Comment #403078

Rich,

“Every Christian I know is still HUMAN and still has faults if you judge by their faults I guess you would have negative feelings about them.”

It’s not about faults.

It’s about how people treat their fellow humans. Very, very few people treat others as they themselves want to be treated.

It’s far too easy to say you’re a Christian, and far too hard to live a Christ-like life.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at February 29, 2016 12:09 PM
Comment #403079

j2, Many on the right seem to understand the concept when it come to Christians but not when it come to Muslims. j2, we can also write it like this, Many on the left seem to understand the concept when it comes to Muslims but not when it comes to Christians. The concept works both ways j2.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at February 29, 2016 12:28 PM
Comment #403081

Rocky, Christ had no faults, Humans do. Your right it is VERY DIFFICULT to live a faultless life like Christ did. I don’t know anyone who can claim to be without fault or SIN if you want to say it like that. As I said people may call themselves Christian but live like the Devil. Example of people I would NOT consider Christian, “Westboro Baptist”.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at February 29, 2016 12:41 PM
Comment #403082

I think my point has been made. It is unfair to malign an entire religion for the actions of a handful of so-called adherents. I believe everyone here agrees that neither Christianity, nor Islam, nor any major world religion for that matter, condones violence in any situation except perhaps self-defense.

Ordinary Muslims should not be associated with the actions of DAESH, Al Qaeda or other terrorist groups. Likewise, Christians should not be associated with the atrocities committed by their brethren.

There is no rational reason for Americans to be concerned about Muslims living in the United States any more than they should be concerned about Christians living in the United States.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 29, 2016 12:46 PM
Comment #403086

Warren wrote; “However, when I talk about Muslims in a general sense and you respond with concerns regarding extremist Islamists, then that sends me a message that you are conflating the two together.”

Warren, that is pure bullshit. There are no politic speak or diplomat speak or subliminal meanings or messages in what I write.

I believe it was Teddy Roosevelt who wrote;

“”To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 29, 2016 1:35 PM
Comment #403087

People who profess to be Christians kill more people in the US than non-Christians according to Warren.

Bald men who wear pink shirts, eat rhubarb ice cream, and live on mountain tops commit the fewest murders in the US.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 29, 2016 1:43 PM
Comment #403089

All part of pushing their false equivalence, Royal.

Posted by: kctim at February 29, 2016 1:51 PM
Comment #403090
I believe it was Teddy Roosevelt who wrote;

And you would be wrong Royal, I know surprise surprise. This quote is just another one of them fake sources quotes conservatives use but can’t back up.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 29, 2016 2:01 PM
Comment #403091

No big deal j2t2, who ever wrote it was right on the money.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 29, 2016 2:36 PM
Comment #403095

The latest liberal tactic when confronted with a quote from one of the founders or some other famous statesman that contradicts their narrative. Question the authenticity.

Posted by: dbs at February 29, 2016 2:48 PM
Comment #403098
Warren wrote; “However, when I talk about Muslims in a general sense and you respond with concerns regarding extremist Islamists, then that sends me a message that you are conflating the two together.”

Warren, that is pure bullshit. There are no politic speak or diplomat speak or subliminal meanings or messages in what I write.

Let’s just say that I am a bit skeptical in light of what you wrote:

Warren wrote; “Fear and hatred for “outsiders” such as Muslims or Latin American immigrants are bringing people worried about White America’s future to the polls in droves.”

Using words such as “Fear and hatred” do not characterize the feelings of most Americans. Concern is a much better and appropriate term.

Only a foolish person would not have deep concerns about our safety and the danger represented by Muslim extremists. We know from our immediate past what calamity they are capable of rendering.

Given that I wrote about Muslims in the general sense, why did you feel a need to discuss the “dangers represented by Muslim extremists” when you know better than to conflate the two?

Please anger me. Please tell me the truth.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 29, 2016 2:58 PM
Comment #403099

Given that I wrote about Muslims in the general sense, why did you feel a need to discuss the “dangers represented by Muslim extremists” when you know better than to conflate the two?

Please anger me. Please tell me the truth.
Posted by: Warren Porter at February 29, 2016 2:58 PM

Because it’s Monday?

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 29, 2016 3:12 PM
Comment #403103

You win. I can’t prove a negative. It must have been merely coincidence. My apologies for the slander against American Christians.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 29, 2016 3:30 PM
Comment #403104

So, why are people so concerned about terrorism from Muslim extremists when there are many far more lethal dangers?

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 29, 2016 3:33 PM
Comment #403105

Intelligent question Warren.

We must remain vigilant against dangers from many sources, both foreign and domestic. Danger comes not only from those who would take our life, but just as important; those who would take our liberty and freedom.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 29, 2016 3:37 PM
Comment #403111

Been a long time since I’ve visited the WB. Just dropped by to see what the chatter is about the crisis in the GOP. Will there be a Republic Party as we once knew it? Has the strategy of demonization and invective language come home to roost? If you build a party by inciting your base to anger and finger point to name the groups who are ruining the country, can you control the angry mob you have created?

We shall see. If Trump is elected or perhaps even nominated will that be enough to create a permanent fissure in the current base of the GOP?

If Rubio or Kasich manage to make it to a brokered or contested convention, can their nomination save the party or have you lost the 49% of Trump supporters forever?

Very interesting to witness how the GOP will handle all of this.

FWIW, as a staunch Sanders supporter, I’ve been disappointed with the Democratic mainline stance on their preliminary coronation of Hillary. The crack up in the GOP lessens the stench in my nose I’ll have when I have to pull the lever for Clinton.

Posted by: LibRick at March 1, 2016 12:48 AM
Comment #403113

LibRick,
The Sanders campaign did what I always hoped. It pulled HRC to the left. There are a lot of great things about HRC, and I will vote for her. Having said that, she has always been too hawkish for my tastes, and I do not care for her stands on the NSA, trade agreements, and relations with Wall Street. Having said that, she is good on social issues, and her resume is top notch. Is she perfect? Definitely not. Is she the best out there? Yes. By a mile.

The GOP is a disaster. We’ll know more tomorrow, but it looks like Trump will win big. The thing about Trump is that, regardless of what happens, he will diminish all of us, regardless of whether we are liberals or conservatives, and regardless of our party affiliations. Even if Trump wins the nomination but loses the general election, everyone one of us lose.

Posted by: phx8 at March 1, 2016 1:23 AM
Comment #403114
No big deal j2t2, who ever wrote it was right on the money.

Were it really no big deal Royal you wouldn’t feel the need to fake the authorship of the quote in some vain attempt to give it a bit of veracity. The simple fact is the quote is without merit.

“I like that about the Republicans; the evidence does not faze them, they are not bothered at all by the facts.”
- Bill Clinton

The latest liberal tactic when confronted with a quote from one of the founders or some other famous statesman that contradicts their narrative. Question the authenticity.

The latest! Don’t you question why conservatives feel the need to falsely use the name of a founding father or other statesman to incorrectly attribute a quote. Good God man pull your head out of your a** and think about the tripe you just spewed, I simply responded to a false quote and you deem it to be a liberal tactic!

Dbs I gotta hand it to you after this bit of conservative logic, you win the John Stuart Mill award

“Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people,
it is true that most stupid people are conservative.”
- John Stuart Mill

Posted by: j2t2 at March 1, 2016 1:25 AM
Comment #403118

“”To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.”

I think that’s a great quote. I don’t care who said it.

“It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep.”

That’s also a good quote. I don’t care who said that one either.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 1, 2016 7:26 AM
Comment #403119

J2

Another personal insult ? Lol C’mon you can do better than that.

Posted by: dbs at March 1, 2016 7:29 AM
Comment #403120

Oh dbs it isn’t about you it is about the illogical comment you posted

Posted by: j2t2 at March 1, 2016 9:11 AM
Comment #403123

“Even if Trump wins the nomination but loses the general election, everyone one of us lose.”

Because a President who has willfully only represented half the country for seven years, your corrupt dishonest front runner and your self avowed socialist, has somehow made us all winners?

LOL!!!

Sorry Phx8, but a Trump nom or even win, isn’t going to change your life one bit.

Posted by: kctim at March 1, 2016 10:38 AM
Comment #403125

wow kctim, what country are you talking about? Where you been? This is some serious delusion yo seem to be suffering from if you are referring to this country. My god man have you lost all perspective? Half the country! where do you conjure up this nonsense from? Can you be seriously suggesting Obama is the first president to represent only half the country? You poor soul so deluded. Hell you probably blame him for this nonsense don’t you?

Posted by: j2t2 at March 1, 2016 12:02 PM
Comment #403128
“It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep.”

That’s also a good quote. I don’t care who said that one either.
Posted by: Weary Willie at March 1, 2016 7:26 AM

The difference being you didn’t attribute the quote to someone who didn’t say it Weary, can you understand the difference?

Posted by: j2t2 at March 1, 2016 2:17 PM
Comment #403129

“Can you be seriously suggesting Obama is the first president to represent only half the country?”

Um, no. It was very clear that I was referring only to Obama and the divisive actions he has taken.
I made no mention of whether I thought he was the first, second, third or whatever.

“Hell you probably blame him for this nonsense don’t you?”

Well, that really depends on what you mean by ‘this nonsense’.
If you are talking about the nonsense in your Comment #403125? No, I do not blame Obama for that.
If you are talking about the nonsense of having a hissy fit over attributing a quote to the wrong person, no I do not blame Obama for that either.

Posted by: kctim at March 1, 2016 3:42 PM
Comment #403130

Astronaut Scott Kelly bids farewell to life in space

After a whopping 340 days aboard the International Space Station, the record-breaking NASA astronaut is finally headed back home Tuesday.

Welcome home Scott…job well done.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 1, 2016 4:39 PM
Comment #403132

Typical Democratic ploy, distraction and deflection to avoid the substance. What was the quote again, j2t2? Do you even remember it?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 1, 2016 5:04 PM
Comment #403134

Well look at this, it was easy to find said quote:

RF commented
I believe it was Teddy Roosevelt who wrote
To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.

Now seeing as how TR was a Republican who attempted to bring progressive policies to the Republican party but was chastised for doing so by being nominated to Vice President. But when McKinley died he got his wish to bring his form of liberal ideas to the Presidency.

It was fallacious of RF to attempt to attribute that line to Theodore Roosevelt. In fact, better to just use your ad hominem nonsense to attempt to support your debased ideas rather than invoke the memory of a great President and tarnish his ideology by doing so.

In fact how does this one sound? To make up lies is a conservative trait but to use truth is a liberal trait. See how easy it is?

Posted by: Speak4all at March 1, 2016 5:45 PM
Comment #403135

Dang, Speak4all, you got that “Kick Me” sign to stick to his back!

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 1, 2016 5:50 PM
Comment #403138

Speak, don’t give up your day job for stand up comedy.

Could you please provide the links showing Teddy Roosevelt’s position on the following “progressive positions” popular today.

Government paid and taxpayer funded college and university education for all.

Hundreds of billions in government spending beyond what is budgeted.

Sanctuary cities. Illegal immigration. Government support of illegal immigrants.

Direct government aid for those able, but not willing, to work.

Same gender marriage.

Same gender bathrooms and changing rooms in our nations schools.

Government collection of forced union dues.

Executive actions in violation of the constitution.

Government confiscation of private land without just compensation.

Granting government issued licenses to non-citizens.

Government subsidies to private business.

Government subsidies to special interest groups.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 1, 2016 6:20 PM
Comment #403139

He’ll tell you he doesn’t have to tell you anything, Royal Flush.

Do you notice they don’t give the quote any consideration? They just keep badgering you on who said it and you’re discrediting someone because you’re attributing it to them.

Democratics don’t/can’t face facts. They’d be a much more effective debate adversary if they could use facts, or even credible opinion to defend their ideas, but they don’t/can’t. They take the lazy way out and try to kill the messenger.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 1, 2016 6:57 PM
Comment #403140

How about that childish gimmick Gawker came up with to “gatcha” Trump? Trump reposted the quote I had in my comment earler saying it was a good quote.

The children at Gawker thought they were soooo smart for getting him to repost that quote, they bragged about it and made fun of him for reposting it.

It’s like 8th grade in the Democratic Party and they’re proud of it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 1, 2016 7:01 PM
Comment #403142

“Democratics don’t/can’t face facts.” You’re right Weary.

For them, MMGW is a fact despite the true “fact” that their computer models don’t reflect what is really happening.

“The Hillary” is shouting all kinds of terrible nasty accusations against Republicans. No fact…just bluster.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 1, 2016 7:10 PM
Comment #403143

Royal,

The idea that Teddy Roosevelt would reject current liberalism is a fantasy. From a Heritage Foundation article on Teddy Roosevelt, “he was not the least troubled by a peaceful, gradual transition to democratic socialism with its promise of social justice. In fact, he considered proponents of these reforms nothing more than “advanced” liberals.” http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/09/theodore-roosevelt-progressive-crusader

I would suggest that you read the above linked article on the progressive ideas and actions of Teddy Roosevelt. It is from a conservative publication. There is little doubt that the progressive proposals of today, e.g., those of Bernie Sanders, would pale in contrast with those of Teddy Roosevelt.


Posted by: Rich at March 1, 2016 7:39 PM
Comment #403144

By the way, Royal, thank you for bringing up Teddy Roosevelt. It is a reminder that bold and determined progressive leadership can take on the corpocracy and Wall Street for the good of all Americans. It is a reminder that social justice is not subservient to the interests of the 1%. It is a reminder that environmentalism is not some quack concept but essential in preserving our way of life. It is reminder that the use of eminent domain to acquire great tracts of land for public use and posterity (national parks, forests, etc.) was a wise use of that power.

Posted by: Rich at March 1, 2016 8:10 PM
Comment #403146

Too bad it’s been perverted to facilitate the 1%.

Think about it. Progressives have been running things for over a hundred years and we still have a 1%. It’s getting stronger every day.

Have the progressives failed? Hardly. I think they’ve been as successful as they can be.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 1, 2016 9:27 PM
Comment #403152

RF,
Give it up. I watched a few minutes of the first link and it was ridiculous. The contention is that HRC lied because her position on gay marriage changed from what it was in the 90’s, to what it is today. Strike 1, RF. That’s a fail.

Next, we see Benghazi Committee members make accusations about e-mails… Sigh. HRC destroyed those people live, on national tv. She turned them into laughingstocks.

This is wasting my time. That’s enough.

Oh, and make sure you let me know when HRC is indicted. Last month anonymous sources said it would be any day. I’m waiting.

Posted by: phx8 at March 1, 2016 11:02 PM
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Whoa, Mr. Ignorant. If you were to continue to watch the video you would you see Hillbilly being interviewed by a woman. She asked Hillbilly if she changed her position on gay marriage and she said she didn’t and she chastized the woman and she accused her of putting words in her mouth.

Quit being ignorant, phx8. That woman is not right.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 1, 2016 11:35 PM
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Typical Democratic ploy, distraction and deflection to avoid the substance. What was the quote again, j2t2? Do you even remember it?

Wow it seems you don’t understand the difference Weary so rather than respond to your nonsensical charges let me use a quote to explain why I won’t waste any more time with you on this issue.

“Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.”
Psalms 26:4

Posted by: j2t2 at March 2, 2016 1:22 AM
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She asked Hillbilly if she changed her position on gay marriage and she said she didn’t and she chastized the woman and she accused her of putting words in her mouth.

Weary, grasping at straws,still? As a conservative why not put forth a candidate that is so pure he has never told a lie , instead of the likes of Cruz who makes Clinton look like a saint when it comes to deception and lies. Or better yet understand the difference between lies and political ploys. I mean a quote from a previous decade when asked about a changing position, why not the benefit of the doubt and assume Clinton meant in the past year or three? Use yourself as a standard and ask if you have done the very same over the years. You speak of “gotya’s” over the Mussolini quote yet berate Clinton for the same thing.

IMHO it is because you guys don’t have anything but hatred and fear to run a campaign on. Speak to the issues. Why isn’t Cruz telling us as president he will build two walls or would seek to rescind the 17th amendment or cut taxes and build the military up to attack Iran with foreign labor?

Posted by: j2t2 at March 2, 2016 12:22 PM
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Rich, sounds like we share some admiration for Theodore Roosevelt? His ideology was special and his accomplishments were great. If not for his dedication and love of outdoors who knows if we would have ever had a National Parks system that the whole world is envious of.

Posted by: Speak4all at March 2, 2016 3:54 PM
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Thought this was interesting. At his victory speech last night, Trump threatened Speaker Ryan:

“I’m going to get along great with him, and if I don’t? He’s gonna have to pay a big price, OK?”

Not every day you see a candidate threaten the Speaker of the House. Kind of like ‘hey, that’s a really nice place for legislating you got there, Speaker Ryan. Be a shame if anything happened to it. Know what I mean?’

Posted by: phx8 at March 2, 2016 6:03 PM
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C&J as always we appreciate your contribution to the WatchBlog community. We look forward to your return…all the best!

Posted by: liz at March 9, 2016 6:48 PM
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