There ain't enough beer in the world to make that woman look good

Watching Sara Palin live endorse Donald Trump. She is like the crazy woman at the bar, they one whose eye contact you try to avoid. Even Trump must be embarrassed. OMG. FUBAR. In a rational and just world, this “endorsement” would finish anybody’s candidacy. I guess I am an angry old guy, angry at the stupidity of Sara Palin, angry that intelligence takes a back seat to retard passion. It leads me to the wisdom of my youth - “There ain’t enough beer in the world to make that woman look good.”

It is like watching an accident or a train wreck. It is appalling but you can't look away.

Posted by Christine & John at January 19, 2016 7:10 PM
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Comment #402073

She should have supported Ted Cruz. Considering his stance on government energy subsidizes, even my Leftie friends will support him. LOL

How refreshing to find a prominent politician who backs his words with actions, Ted has “true grit” to take this stand just weeks before the Iowa caucus. The liberal response should be interesting and the parsing monumental.

“Cruz’s “all of the above” energy policy is politically courageous, and the elimination of government subsidies for all forms of energy – including oil and gas – would be a boon to the industry. The current glut of oil will not last forever, and once supplies tighten again and the price of fuel rises, other forms of energy production will become more attractive. With government out of the business of picking winners and losers, competing firms will rush to bring new technologies to the market, making efficient and cost-effective energy production a reality.

It won’t be easy to phase out these mandates. Ethanol has a huge lobby in Washington, and farmers in several states depend on government forcing the refining industry to add certain levels of the fuel to gasoline. But perhaps all the issue needs is good leadership – something Cruz is apparently eager to supply if he’s elected president.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/01/cruzs_gutsy_call_on_phasing_out_ethanol_and_other_energy_mandates.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 19, 2016 7:41 PM
Comment #402074

I just don’t like Cruz. I guess I am establishment. I would prefer one of the governors, Kasich, Christie or Bush in that order. Palin just looked nuts when she was making the endorsement. Nuts. I wonder if she had a few.

Posted by: C&J at January 19, 2016 7:53 PM
Comment #402075

C&J,
I saw some of Palin’s endorsement speech. It was bizarre. It was an extended harangue, a word salad made out of outdated catch phrases. I will say this: I’ve never seen anything like it. And I don’t mean that in a good way.

Apparently she is very much opposed to some things. She hates Obama. She is very much in favor of other things, for reasons unknown. It was like watching a barking carnival.

Btw, there was another bizarre production for the Trump campaign, with young girls dressed in red, white and blue singing about American greatness and how we were going to crush out enemies. It looked like a movie short for the Hitler Youth movement.

I don’t know where this whole thing will go with Trump and Cruz, but of this I am sure- it will be incredibly ugly.

On the lighter side:
Quesiton: Why do so many people instantly dislike Ted Cruz?
Answer: It saves time.

Posted by: phx8 at January 19, 2016 8:12 PM
Comment #402076

Phx8

I couldn’t believe her. She really was like the crazy woman at the end of the bar. My double-edged comment is similar, I did not know such a thing was possible.

Posted by: C&J at January 19, 2016 8:17 PM
Comment #402078

C&J, et al,

The one way, and only way to understand the Trump phenomenon is that a good number of folks are so fed up with pols pandering to the voters that they want to ‘stick it in the eye’ of such pols, establishment, IMO.

Posted by: roy ellis at January 19, 2016 9:05 PM
Comment #402079

The ‘establishment’ has been electing presidents for a couple of hundred years. Why not let the ‘outsiders’ have a shot at it?

IMO, Trump would be little different from any pres that’s gone before. Some say Regan was an outsider and did a good job but, he was the gov of Calif for a term or two. So, he wasn’t a true outsider, IMO.

I’m about up to here with Trump bashing. Moreso, with the Brits chiming in. Their little island has been dragging the US down the road of globalism, entwined with open border immigration and so on, since the 70’s. Now, their large muslim population has asked their house of commons or whatever to pass a law to prevent Trump from ever entering the country.

If Trump does get elected I hope he will he will do some kind of a New Jersey road block on them.

The more the establishment fights Trump, the more I like the guy.

Run Trump, Run.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at January 19, 2016 9:25 PM
Comment #402081

C&J,
I thought the same- she was either drunk or abusing drugs. Would not be a bit surprised to see that come out someday. No sober person talks like that.

roy,
Over 500,000 people in Britain signed a petition to ban Trump from the country. We don’t know the ethnic or religious breakdown of the people who signed the petition. Have you ever been to Britain? It is, in fact, a very diverse population. London is really quite amazing. If you can think of an ethnic or religious group, it is there. It is not uncommon to see black policemen with heavy Jamaican accents directing traffic, or Sikhs, or Muslims, or you name it- and you know what? They all think of themselves as Brits.

A guy like Trump is poison to a diverse society like theirs-and ours.

Posted by: phx8 at January 19, 2016 10:53 PM
Comment #402083

SO whats new? After all these years we finally agree C&J, and to think Palin could have been a heart beat away from the presidency! The bit I saw of her with Trump, it looked to me like Trump was embarrassed for her. Looks like all our conservative friends here on WB who supported her when the MSM or liberal media, as you conservatives would say, was saying “WTF are you guys serious?… Sarah Palin…really!, owe those of us that thought she was out there an apology. Now that it is finally apparent to you guys.

The sad thing is she still has an audience and the tea party candidates need her support, what does that say about your team? Of course she has had to ratchet her game up a notch with the current crop of crazies y’all have competing, Hukabee, Fiornia, Cruz and Rubio come to mind, but she has the crazy to do it as we saw in her latest public appearance.

I just gotta ask C&J, after all these years of bashing intellectuals and government what did you guys think would happen?

Posted by: j2t2 at January 20, 2016 12:29 AM
Comment #402086

I don’t quite get all the hate for Palin, but I am definitely surprised to see her endorse a Democrat.

Posted by: kctim at January 20, 2016 9:39 AM
Comment #402087

Kctim, good one,lol, are you trying to out Palin the Palin herself with such delusional comments?

I wonder if those tea party types who follow her would take kindly to such an insult? You seem to be suggesting they will fall for anything and everything.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 20, 2016 10:37 AM
Comment #402090

J2, Trump is nothing more than a rank and file Democrat of yesteryear who refused to follow the party to the far-left when the liberals took it over.
The requirement that Democrats be anti 2nd Amendment, pro-abortion, anti-Christian, pro unfair taxation, anti American exceptionalism, pro illegal immigration, politically correct and offended by everything, is relatively new to the party.

It would be ‘delusional’ to say he is a liberal.

The problem isn’t that people might be insulted, it’s that they accept the idea that today’s Republican has to be yesteryears Democrat.

Palin just endorsed a guy who isn’t in lockstep with her stated beliefs. IMO, it’s an establishment vs non-establishment endorsement, which is why establishment Republicans resort to personal attacks.

Establishment Republicans and liberals now have another thing in common, they both hate Palin simply because she is a successful Christian woman who won’t fall in lockstep with their beliefs.

Posted by: kctim at January 20, 2016 11:49 AM
Comment #402092

I am uncertain what to make of this development although it was inevitable. Wonder what this year’s Republican Convention is going to look like. Will the convention hall be filled with all of the bigotry and hatred on display for the world to see? This could be a national embarrassment of epic proportions.

Posted by: Speak4all at January 20, 2016 12:57 PM
Comment #402094

Perhaps Trump is more of a republican of yesteryear kctim, the candidate most aligned with Reagan in the pack of potential GOP nominees. Both are actors after all, both want to “make America great again”

http://rootforamerica.com/trump-is-the-new-reagan/

Maybe that is why Palin is so sweet on him, it’s the Reagan charisma.

BTW good job on framing the dems with all the delusions you can think of, been taking lessons from Frank Luntz I see.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 20, 2016 1:40 PM
Comment #402097

J2, Trump was a registered democrat and switched over sometime in the early 2000s, which btw, coincides with the liberal takeover of the Democratic Party.

Palin is ‘sweet on him’ because she is ‘anti establishment.’

I was ‘framing’ liberals, not dems, and none of them were any kind of delusion. In fact, liberals use them to frame their faux cries of racism, sexism, hatred, bigotry etc…

If the Luntz guy is on TV, I have antennae, only get four stations, and have not seen him.
If he is on radio, I prefer music.
Using the lazy ‘brainwashed’ excuse to avoid a point you do not like? Weak sauce my friend.

Posted by: kctim at January 20, 2016 2:50 PM
Comment #402099

Sure is fun to read most of you arguing about trees while forgetting about the forest.

Here’s a little remark from the IMF that will go unnoticed by most. Who care about national debt anyway? Certainly not our Leftie friends and even most of our Republican elite friends.

“The sharp deterioration of the public finances in many countries has revived interest in a “capital levy”—a one-off tax on private wealth—as an exceptional measure to restore debt sustainability… The tax rates needed to bring down public debt to pre-crisis levels are sizable. Reducing debt ratios to end-2007 levels would require a tax rate of about 10 percent on households with positive net wealth.”

Bernie and Hillary both agree the US needs more spending funded by more debt and higher taxes. That’s a real attractive proposition to put before working Americans.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 20, 2016 4:02 PM
Comment #402101

jt2t

I never bash intellectuals. I think “intellectual” is applied too widely. I am an “intellectual” in terms of education and IQ. But since I am not a leftist, I would not be called one by most leftists. Whereas, semi-intelligent people who espouse leftist views are often included. There are the “intellectuals” I despise.

Re bashing government - that is also something I don’t do. I love the USG, as I have written on many occasions. I want to maintain its virtue by not extending it into place where it cannot be competent.

Re Palin - She didn’t seem so nuts before. Anyway, McCain is still alive, so it would have worked out okay.

Re Republicans - Republicans are running most of the country as competent governors. I good easily support Bush or Kasich. I think Christie would be okay. I liked Scott Walker. None are ideal, but all are good.

Trump & Cruz are beyond me. I think Rubio could be a good candidate but he is too young and inexperienced. We don’t want another Obama.

On the other side, Hillary is dishonorable and not as smart as her followers think. Bernie is a socialist. I don’t say that as an insult but as a description. Socialism is … stupid. NOT because of what it advocates but because of its inability to understand relationships in the economy. The market price contains lots of information and carries within it a coordinating mechanism that is lost under socialism. So when I say socialism is stupid, I mean that literally. It deprives itself of the information needed to manage.

Anyway, my fervent hope is that Trump and Cruz destroy each other and rising out of the ashes is one of the governors. I support Kasich, Bush or Christie. If Trump of Cruz faces Hillary or Sanders, it will be hopeless. I will take solace in the fundamental strength of the American Republican to survive idiotic leadership.

Posted by: C&J at January 20, 2016 6:51 PM
Comment #402102

C/J, is it a personality issue, or policy issue that you object to with either Trump or Cruz?

I find much objectionable in the record and position of both Bush and Christie. Kasich is OK, but I don’t see him beating Hillary.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 20, 2016 7:24 PM
Comment #402103

It is a personality issue. I think that is important.

You know the classics. Stay with me. I once wrote an essay about Odysseus and why you would not want to hire him or have him as your boss. Odysseus was clever. He was a winner. He always came out on top, despite the challenges. Admirable in many ways. BUT everybody around him died. Sure, HE came out on top. The Cyclops ate his men. He needlessly pissed off Poseidon. Sure HE got home. None of his men made it.

This is Trump. He wins. He is a winner. He goes bankrupt 4 times. He wins. He makes a bad bet on Atlantic City. He wins. I want a leader that makes us win, even if he loses.

Cruz is just unctuous.

And Palin was crazy.

Posted by: C&J at January 20, 2016 8:41 PM
Comment #402104

Everybody else having a problem with Stephen’s latest posting?

Posted by: kctim at January 21, 2016 10:15 AM
Comment #402105

Kctim. Yep, takes me to movable type when I try to read the post or the link.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 21, 2016 12:32 PM
Comment #402106
I was ‘framing’ liberals, not dems, and none of them were any kind of delusion. In fact, liberals use them to frame their faux cries of racism, sexism, hatred, bigotry etc…

it is a delusional claim you make kctim. When you suggest
“anti 2nd Amendment” because some want stricter control of deadly weapons due to the significant number of deaths, why not “pro-life” instead? You say they are “pro-abortion” when in fact they are for the “freedom to choose” without the interference of your religious beliefs. Why “anti-Christian” when we are “anti-Theocracy”? Many liberals are Christians,just not the “extreme right wing use my religion to control others” type of Christian. You tell us “pro unfair taxation” while demanded regressive taxation! You are describing yourself not liberals. You say “anti American exceptionalism” yet claim you aren’t delusional! The measuring stick you use is one of the “pro-nationalist” so why wouldn’t I be anti-nationalist”? You frame it as “pro illegal immigration” when the issue is “pro legal immigration” for most of us. And of course you save the best for last, ” politically correct and offended by everything” yet you fail to realize the same applies to conservatives and libertarians as well. Your “anti-Christian” reference being an example. “Gun Nuts”, “Tea Baggers” other examples. Your team just prefers to pick on people for their sexual preference, religious affiliation, or the color of their skin then get huffy when you are called out for it.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 21, 2016 12:57 PM
Comment #402108

J/C, yes; Trump has been a winner working for himself. I believe WE can be winners when Trump is working for US.

There are many definitions of the word “unctuous”. Which one do you believe applies to Cruz, and why?

As usual, j2t2 can’t recognize the color of his own skin, and mistakes the skin color of others.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 21, 2016 1:51 PM
Comment #402109

Interesting comment…

“Billionaire financier George Soros has warned that the European Union is on the “verge of collapse” over the migrant crisis and is in “danger of kicking the ball further up the hill” in its management of the issue which has seen more than a million migrants and refugees arrive in the region in 2015.

“There is plenty to be nervous about,” the financier said.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 21, 2016 2:06 PM
Comment #402110

RF,
Try as I might, I cannot conceive of a successful Trump presidency. Let us suppose he somehow won in a divided field, or tragedy struck a Democratic candidate just before the election and Trump somehow won. What would his administration look like?

He has a lot of political connections because of his business dealings, but no true allies. With the exception of Palin, he has no major endorsements, and Palin has sky-high unfavorability ratings. The Senate Democrats have offered to put Trump’s policies up for a vote in order to give the GOP a chance to voice approval, and the GOP has refused the opportunity.

His tax proposals would result in enormous deficits and debts and have no chance whatsoever of being approved by anyone.

His foreign policy pronouncements would immediately result in hostile relations with Mexico. In Israel, Bibi Nehanyahu already cancelled a planned Trump visit after the call to ban Muslim immigration. In Britain, over 500,000 people signed a petition, and Parliament debated banning Trump from entering the country. Trump threatened China with 45% tariffs, a guaranteed economic disaster if ever put into place.

He would be politically isolated, face hostility from both opponents and allies abroad, lack allies in Congress, and enjoy little domestic support outside those in the GOP who would vote for him. He knows almost nothing about legislating and would have difficulty enacting any legislation. Racist statements directed at Hispanics and other groups would guarantee hostility from minorities. The proposal to deport 11 million or more people would face incredible opposition.

Truly, I don’t understand why anyone would imagine a Trump candidacy could ever result in a successful presidency. It won’t happen- but if by some bizarre sequence of events, it ever came to pass, it would be an absolute catastrophe.

Posted by: phx8 at January 21, 2016 2:21 PM
Comment #402111

J2,
It is not delusional to claim that those who act to limit the right through stricter control stand opposite of ‘shall not be infringed.’
Why not “pro-life” instead? Because you are targeting the innocent to attack the individual right, instead of targeting the guilty to address the actual problem.

Abortion is a medical procedure. It is not delusional to claim that the pro side is in support and the anti side is not in support. It may not sound as nice as pro-choice, but it is closer to the truth of the matter.
I have no religious beliefs to infer anything from.

Why “anti-Christian” and not “anti-Theocracy”? Because the left attacks Christians solely for their politics despite the fact that we are no where close to becoming a theocracy.

It is not delusional to claim that liberals support unequal taxation in order to take from one and give to another.

It is not delusional to claim liberals do not see the US as a uniquely free nation due to our Constitution and the individual rights it guarantees. In fact, they are always trying to alter the document in the name of ‘progress’ and use other nations and their governments as their model.

It is not delusional to claim that liberals are at the forefront of rewarding illegal aliens for their illegal act. It is fact.

It is not delusional to suggest that liberals are responsible for all the PC nonsense. From what we say, to what we wear, to what we support etc… liberals are the ones who most use the courts and government to prevent being offended.

“Your team just prefers to pick on people for their sexual preference, religious affiliation, or the color of their skin then get huffy when you are called out for it.”

I have no team, J2. My refusal to excuse, praise, or pander to people based on some group you place them in, isn’t picking on them.
And of course people are going to get “huffy” when they are wrongly called a bigot for simply supporting traditional marriage, or being wrongly called a racist for pointing out facts.

Posted by: kctim at January 21, 2016 2:25 PM
Comment #402112

phx8 is quite the conjurer when it comes to Trump.

I could give you a litany of concerns about Obama before he was elected. Unfortunately, many of them have occurred.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 21, 2016 2:26 PM
Comment #402113

C/J, one can not argue that Trump’s position on important issues are not popular among those polled. Do you dislike his positions or do you believe he can’t (or won’t) follow thru with them as president?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 21, 2016 3:46 PM
Comment #402115

RF,
“Concerns” about Obama are a matter of partisanship. Trump would have difficulty governing.

His source of power would be limited to the voters in the GOP base. He has had business relations with many politicians on both sides of the aisle, but that was just money. He commands no loyalty. He has no one in the GOP ‘establishment,’ and no one in Congress to rely on for anything more than lip service- if that- never mind the Democrats. Remember, we are just talking about his own side. He would face open hostility from many minorities, and some of the basics of his agenda, such as his economic plan and his plan to build deport 11 million, build a giant wall, and have Mexico pay for it are financial impossibilities, never mind the fact that they totally unrealistic. He has no experience legislating and no experience with foreign policy and no military experience, either. He would face hostile relations from allies such as Britain, as well as competitors like China.

It would be a presidency with no chance of success.

And that would STILL be better than what would happen with Cruz.

Posted by: phx8 at January 21, 2016 4:17 PM
Comment #402116

What a jaundiced view of the power of a newly elected president phx8.

With power comes followers my friend, especially politicians. That you give his ideas no chance is obvious…they would be anathema to liberalism and socialism.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 21, 2016 4:29 PM
Comment #402117

RF,
His ideas would be anathema to reality.

And power depends on anyone being willing to follow in the first place. If a Trump presidency somehow came to pass, it would be somewhat similar to ancient times when underage kings assumed the throne. They had the title and in theory they were powerful. They could talk and yell and shout and scream. They could accuse everyone who disagreed of being losers. People in the presence of a weak king would obey, but the moment they were out of earshot, all bets were off. Ultimately weak kings without any experience and without enough political support became political pawns for players who knew what they were doing- who did have experience, and who did have support.

And as if the word salads of Sarah Palin were not bizarre enough, Carly Fiorina made her own mark today. This is like something from the Will Farrell movie, “The Campaign.” A bunch of pre-schoolers were on a field trip to the IA Botanical Garden. She brought the little kids into her anti-abortion rally, posed them on a make-shift stage in front of a picture of a fetus, and then gave a speech on partial birth abortions, payment for body parts, and so on.

Yeah. That happened.

One upset parent really lit into her:

“The kids went there to see the plants,” said Chris Beck, the father of four-year-old Chatham, one of the children Fiorina appeared with. “She ambushed my son’s field trip.”

“Taking them into a pro-life/abortion discussion [was] very poor taste and judgment,” Beck said. “I would not want my four-year-old going to that forum – he can’t fully comprehend that stuff. He likes dinosaurs, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Transformers.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/21/carly-fiorina-accused-of-ambushing-children-for-anti-abortion-rally?CMP=fb_us

Posted by: phx8 at January 21, 2016 5:01 PM
Comment #402118

phx8: “His ideas would be anathema to reality.”

LOL…tell that to the folks who put him in office.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 21, 2016 5:10 PM
Comment #402119

On Sarah Palin.
She is closely allied with NAR and C. Peter Wagner. Wagner’s group consists briefly of Cindy Jacobs, Rick Perry, John Benefiel, Thomas Muthee, Todd Bently, John Wimber, Bill Johnson, John Arnott, and more. This is only a brief sample .Sarah endorses dominionism. According to NAR it is their mission of taking dominion over business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, family and education. Is it any wonder she would line up with the Donald? If one wants more there is a whole host of more people of ill repute I could name

Posted by: tom humes at January 21, 2016 10:59 PM
Comment #402120

“LOL…tell that to the folks who put him in office.”

Sure. Be glad to. But Trump has never held a political office, not even an appointed one, and no one has ever voted for him for anything.

tom humes,
Sarah Palin might be a Dominionist. She attended several different churches. I am pretty sure Trump is not one. In the past he never publicly showed much interest in religion, and the other day he cited a passage from “Two Corinthians”- not the sort of mistake a holy roller would normally make. He has been married three times and the concept of marital fidelity does not appear to be high on his list. Given his biography, Trump seems far more interested in money than religion. Perhaps he secretly practices a fire breathing version Christianity when no one is looking, but it seems doubtful.

Posted by: phx8 at January 22, 2016 12:07 AM
Comment #402122
It is not delusional to claim that those who act to limit the right through stricter control stand opposite of ‘shall not be infringed.’

Once again it is the framing of the issue kctim. It isn’t the second amendment that is the issue. The second amendment doesn’t give anyone the right to kill another person. IT like all other rights is a limited right that allows for regulation of arms. The right to self defense doesn’t mean shooting depriving someone else of their right to life.

Why not “pro-life” instead? Because you are targeting the innocent to attack the individual right, instead of targeting the guilty to address the actual problem.

The innocent! That is precious when we are talking about killing others. But this is just the type of misguided framing of the issue I speak of kctim. We in fact do target the guilty but the sad part of that is the other person or persons is shot and killed or wounded. Prevention of the killing of another person is the key here,kctim. How many “innocent gun owners” have killed someone or themselves, or had their weapon used by children to kill them or someone else?

Abortion is a medical procedure. It is not delusional to claim that the pro side is in support and the anti side is not in support. It may not sound as nice as pro-choice, but it is closer to the truth of the matter.

Once again the framing of the issue is the issue kctim. Are you anti medical procedure? Many people aren’t pro abortion they are pro choice.

Why “anti-Christian” and not “anti-Theocracy”? Because the left attacks Christians solely for their politics despite the fact that we are no where close to becoming a theocracy.

So you admit it is a political issue yet use use religious framing to…. what… obfuscate the facts of the issue? You deny many on the left are Christians when you use this false framing of the issue kctim.

It is not delusional to claim that liberals support unequal taxation in order to take from one and give to another.

Once again the framing of the issue is just not right kctim. First of all you would have us believe all taxes are taken from the rich and given to the poor event though the working poor pay a higher percentage of income in taxes and fees than the rich do. Even though the very rich have their capital gains taxed at a lower rate than the working poor. Most importantly though the amount of tax dollar going to the working poor and the poor is small, most of the tax money supports government functions, and the constant war effort which in turn benefits the wealthy. Progressive taxation has proven to be the best way to support this exceptional country of ours kctim.

It is not delusional to claim liberals do not see the US as a uniquely free nation due to our Constitution and the individual rights it guarantees. In fact, they are always trying to alter the document in the name of ‘progress’ and use other nations and their governments as their model.

Now this is delusional kctim, since it is explained so well I will let you listen once again to this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q49NOyJ8fNA

There comes a time when what you call exceptionalism has to be questioned kctim. We have free speech zones for crying out loud. We have a corporate media not a free press. We have used our military as aggressors not for the defense of the nation. So yes it isn’t “delusional to claim liberals do not see the US as a uniquely free nation…” it is delusional to think America is exceptional anymore. That doesn’t mean anyone is “anti-American exceptionalism” it means many are against the neo-con definition of the term.

It is not delusional to suggest that liberals are responsible for all the PC nonsense. From what we say, to what we wear, to what we support etc… liberals are the ones who most use the courts and government to prevent being offended.

Kinda sounds like a persecution complex to me kctim. Perhaps it is due to the way you frame the issue, I mean “using the courts and government to keep from being offended” is worthy of the Goebbels award IMHO. Perhaps reframing it to “using the courts and government to prevent being shot to death for being black” would be a more accurate reflection of the facts. Offended is one thing but what people are using the courts and government for is to protect the weak from the strong, to protect their liberties and rights.

I have no team, J2. My refusal to excuse, praise, or pander to people based on some group you place them in, isn’t picking on them.

Well kctim, that reminds me of the line right wingers are famous for “it isn’t Fascism when we do it”.

And of course people are going to get “huffy” when they are wrongly called a bigot for simply supporting traditional marriage, or being wrongly called a racist for pointing out facts.

Simply supporting traditional marriage is quite the line the kctim. Which is why I was giving you props for the propaganda earlier, the farming of the issue. In reality one doesn’t need to attack gays and gay marriage to support traditional marriage, one simply needs to do nothing but support traditional marriage. Yet so many of “not your team but they use the same line of BS” actively attack others.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 22, 2016 12:07 PM
Comment #402123

phx8
dominionism is not about what churches Palin went to or Trump’s scripture quotes. This is about the control of society. Trump is for that control. All the candidates are dominionists. One just has to sort out the one that appears to do the job required. People can resort to all the elitist words and high sounding words to explain their own conscience but reality is reality and some people refuse or deny the facts of reality.

Posted by: tom humes at January 22, 2016 12:47 PM
Comment #402125

“Dominionism” has become a catch-all for a number of conservative Christian movements with theocratic tendencies.”
Wikipedia

Dominionism can have a political context, but usually it is used in reference to religion. Some call Trump a fascist or a proto-fascist. Personally I do no think this really applies to him, since fascism usually involves a close relationship between government and business.

When people refer to Trump as a fascist, they are probably talking about the way he says our problems are basically managerial, and that all we need is a strong leader- him- to solve all the problems. If we elect someone like him, someone smarter and more forceful and therefore a better leader, everything will be great again. Never mind how. That’s merely a matter of management.

Really, it is more of an authoritarian approach.

Posted by: phx8 at January 22, 2016 2:02 PM
Comment #402126

Hmmm…doesn’t bode well for Hillary or Dems in general.

In a Bloomberg Politics/Des Moines Register Iowa Poll taken earlier this month, 44 percent of likely Democratic caucus-goers described themselves as anti-Wall Street, 43 percent described themselves as socialist and 22 percent described themselves as politically “independent,” rather than Democrat.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 22, 2016 2:42 PM
Comment #402127

RF, nothing seems to be boding well for any of the candidates be they Democrat or Republican. Lots of in-fighting, accusations, chest thumping (or breast thumping) and general ill will from all. You know I would submit that it is all so contrived and kabuki-ish if it hasn’t brought about the greatest country the world has known for over 200+ years. I will take this over anything else out there and will definitely be an audience to it all.

Posted by: Speak4all at January 22, 2016 3:51 PM
Comment #402128

RF,
It would be a mistake to underestimate Sanders. He is absolutely relentless about refusing to engage in personal attacks, and he insists on presenting the issues as he sees him, especially economic issues. It is very effective. He could be an effective leader because he has a history of crossing the aisle and crafting compromises, rather than forcing his ideology on everyone else. He knows how to legislate. He knows how to make his case.

Posted by: phx8 at January 22, 2016 3:56 PM
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C&J, While I understand the corpocracy’s need to bring as many immigrants in as possible I do think it is beyond tacky to bring in a segment known to be integrated with terrorist sympathizers.

That mindset rates right up there with those who sat on their hands and did little/nothing about Flint’s water.

Britain and Europe are going to lose lots of lives and lots of bucks trying to control their migrant population.

A large number of those folks have no interest in ‘assimilation’. They are more interested in covering up the gals and setting up sharia law in their communities, and so on - - -

IMO, we would be way better off feeding and clothing them in a secure place in the desert.

While I believe the Brits should stay out of our election politics it really matters little what with so much foreign money coming into the political coffers.

It’s all fubar to me at this point. An example would be the contrast between the dem and gop candidates. The dems were so sure they wanted Hillary that they only ran her and a couple of wanna b’s. The gop had about 12 people running, men, women, insiders, outsiders, rich, not so rich, totally diverse. Yet, the dems are calling the gop’ers racists, bigots and so on - - - just totally wild.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at January 22, 2016 3:59 PM
Comment #402131

“It would be a mistake to underestimate Sanders.”

I don’t phx8. See my assessment in the “independent column”.

Roy stated it well about the diversity of this crop of Republican candidates. If I were a Democrat I would be jealous.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 22, 2016 4:09 PM
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RF, you can be assured that I am not jealous by any means. Totally amazed at the goings on but jealous, not hardly. Democrats still have the best two candidates.

Posted by: Speak4all at January 22, 2016 5:45 PM
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RF, you may think that HRC is a “liar” but we don’t expect you to vote for her either. There are a lot of Democrats that like both Hillary and Bernie, the primary process will decide who the Democratic candidate will be.

Posted by: Speak4all at January 22, 2016 5:48 PM
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“There are a lot of Democrats that like both Hillary and Bernie…”

I don’t doubt that Speaks, hell…who else do they have? LOL

There are many Dems, and even more Independents, who don’t like either candidate and for good and sound reasons.

Clinton and Sanders are battling for the votes of the extreme Left to get nominated and ignore the more populous moderates within the party. When one is nominated he/she will have to move to the center. I don’t believe moderate Dems and Independents will have that short of a memory.

The Dem party has not been doing well in State elections or even in the House and Senate of late. The simple reason is; many Dems feel they have been abandoned by the party in favor of the extreme left wing.

And of course, they are right.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 22, 2016 6:16 PM
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phz8
A group headed up by C. Peter Wagner and is called NAR has political leaders lined up. The have as a part of their platform dominionism. And it is as I described above and that is to rule and reign over all elements of society. In nature it is one world government type of a program. Trump is part of that as well as many government and public officials. It is all part of the charades that people play when running for any public office. They are more than wolf in sheep’s clothing. They are deceitful in the programs they try to make public. Not a one of them are for spending reduction of our money that they are entrusted with. They spend it foolishly and pile up debt and more debt. That is why we keep adding up uncontrolled debt. Many of you take the attitude that it can’t be fixed. You have thrown in the towel. It is not just money and taxes. It is also public policy issues. The fixes that could be made will not be made because of the political parties that want to “make deals” Where have we heard that before. All I hear on these sites are elitist words of stupid talk that you try to sound so high and mighty and educated. The crux of the matter is that the problems in this country are simple and can be fixed in a simple manner. The people who are the practicing elitists are the one who want to make everything complicated. They work overtime to do this and they are being successful in their efforts. Those who practice the work of dominionism belong to the NAR and they are international in nature. Look it up and study it for yourself. Wikipedia does not have the answer. I have studied this outfit in depth and since they represent the broad political spectrum there is no democrat or republican element. It just comes down to control of all that there is in this country. This election will show the country what these politicians are really endorsing.

Posted by: tom humes at January 22, 2016 10:25 PM
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I am dubious what to make of this improvement despite the fact that it was unavoidable. Wonder what the current year’s Republican Convention is going to resemble. Will the tradition corridor be loaded with the majority of the fanaticism and disdain in plain view for the world to see? This could be a national shame of incredible scale.

Regards
Sania

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I believe what Tom Humes is referring to, is that the world stage is being set for the Anti-Christ.

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dominionism is not about what places of worship Palin went to or Trump’s sacred writing cites. This is about the control of society. Trump is for that control. Every one of the applicants are dominionists. One simply needs to deal with the one that seems to carry out the employment required. Individuals can fall back on all the elitist words and high sounding words to clarify their own inner voice however the truth is reality and a few individuals decline or prevent the actualities from securing reality.

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