What is it with Hillary & Videos?

You think Hillary would have learned her lesson about making comments about videos causing Muslim violence. We cannot say she lied about thinking a video caused the riots in Libya, but we can say that her statements were inconsistent with the truth. The same goes for her talk about a Trump video used by ISIS. It may be true, but she had no reason to believe it besides her intuition and her specific statement was inconsistent with the truth.

Hillary knows better, but she also knows that she will get away with it. The same media that savagely attacked Carly Fiorina for referencing a video that did not exist in the form she related is giving Hillary a free pass.

The situations are nearly identical. In both cases, a candidate referenced a specific video that did not exist in the form described. In both cases you could argue that the meta-truth as correct, but we generally don't accept false specific evidence to prove what we think is the greater truth.

We could argue that Fiorina is inexperienced in politics, having never held elected or appointed office. Hillary, in contrast, is done nothing but politics since she was a little girl. Could it be that she spent a lifetime in the business and didn't learn it? Or was she just lying? When Hillary is talking, is that question even necessary?

Posted by Christine & John at December 22, 2015 9:53 AM
Comments
Comment #401537


All that matters is that Hillary says she supports abortion, gay-marriage, gun control, and the redistribution of wealth.

Her dishonesty, elitist entitlement and hypocrisy, mean nothing.

Posted by: kctim at December 22, 2015 11:01 AM
Comment #401538

First, I do not think Hillary should have said this in the first place:

“He is becoming ISIS’ best recruiter. They are going to people, showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists.”

Hillary may be right, but she should not have said it because I\it lowers the level of discourse. I don’t want to see respectable candidates lower themselves to Trump’s level. I don’t want to see the entire country debased to the place where 40% of the GOP seems to have sunk. There is a line of thinking that a candidate should respond to Trump in kind, in order to avoid appearing weak. I do not agree with that approach.

And whether she should have said it or not, I would be careful about assuming whether such videos exist.

Trump also called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” That was enough to earn a denunciation from almost every GOP candidate, every leader abroad, and even Bibi Netanyahu cancelled Trump’s visit to Israel to meet with him.

Hillary also said:

“The first line of defense against radicalization is in the Muslim American community — people who we should be welcoming and working with. I worry greatly that the rhetoric coming from the Republicans, particularly Donald Trump, is sending a message to Muslims here in the United States and literally around the world that there is a clash of civilizations, that there is some kind of Western plot or war against Islam, which then, I believe, fans the flames of radicalization…

“If you’re going to put together a coalition in the region to take on the threat of ISIS, you don’t want to alienate the very countries and people you need to be part of the coalition.”

Trump just said some incredibly insulting and inappropriate things about HRC. When I first heard it, I thought I had heard it wrong. No one would say such a thing in public, never mind a professional or a presidential candidate. Could it be Trump is dragging all of us down to his level. Is there nothing too low, too crude? Will 40% of the GOP really vote for this hateful, racist, xenophobic, misogynist, homophobic bigot?

I don’t believe it. Yet there his is, at the top of the polls, and by a wide margin.


Posted by: phx8 at December 22, 2015 11:06 AM
Comment #401539

You don’t believe it because you can’t understand that only extreme partisans accept your agenda driven definitions. Most people don’t see the strengthening and enforcement of immigration laws as ‘racist’ or ‘xenophobic.’ Most people don’t see debating women, no matter how crudely, as hatred of all women. Most people don’t see supporting traditional marriage as some kind of fear of gays.

Most people don’t constantly change the subject to avoid talking about how terrible of a candidate Hillary really is, LOL!!!

And, IF the country is lucky, most people can’t believe Trump AND Clinton are sitting at the top of the polls right now.

Posted by: kctim at December 22, 2015 12:58 PM
Comment #401540

kctim,
If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. If you can watch a conservative presidential candidate say all sorts of terrible things about women and you stand by and say nothing, you are part of the problem.
If you watch a conservative presidential candidate call illegal immigrants murderers and rapists and you remain quiet and say nothing, you are part of the problem. If you seek to deny marriage rights to other people, even though it has no effect whatsoever on you, then you are part of the problem.

Is this changing the subject? In response to a comment by Hillary about how Trump’s comments will be used by ISIS to recruit, Trump said some particularly awful things about HRC. I don’t want a presidential candidate who insults people, resorts to name-calling at the drop of a hat, and goes to the gutter or lower on an almost daily basis.

Hillary does not do that. Neither do Sanders or O’Malley. And it is not ‘political correctness’ for a person to exercise constraint, professionalism, and behave in a polite manner.

Posted by: phx8 at December 22, 2015 3:17 PM
Comment #401541

Phx8,
If you can’t acknowledge the actual problem, then you are the problem.

Saying something terrible to a woman does not mean you hate all women.
Stating the fact that murderers and rapists are part of our illegal alien problem, is not racist.
Having the opinion that marriage should be between one man and one woman, does not mean you fear or hate gays.

The people who hold these views are NOT the problem. Those of you who engage in hyperbole and then use it for propaganda come election time, are the problem.

HILLARY intentionally made a false statement (lied) about Trump and ISIS recruiting. You talk about TRUMP saying something you don’t like.
YES, that is changing the subject to avoid dealing with the truth.

BTW, for the past 8 years my President has referred to me as a racist bitter clinger who loves guns more than children, so forgive me if your faux outrage over insults and name-calling mean nothing.

Posted by: kctim at December 22, 2015 4:04 PM
Comment #401542

Phx8

“If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.” This is not usually true. The personal is not the political and we allow people to opt-out.

Posted by: C&J at December 22, 2015 5:22 PM
Comment #401543

The left wishes to disarm the citizenry. It makes no difference what the reason is. A disarmed population become a target of both government and criminals.

1911 – Turkey disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1915 – 1917 they murdered 1.5 million Armenians.

1929 – Russia disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1929 – 1953 they murdered 20 million Russians.

1935 – China disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1948 – 1952 they murdered 20 million Chinese.

1938 – Germany disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1939 – 1945 they murdered 16 million Jews.

1956 – Cambodia disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1975 – 1977 they murdered 1 million Educated people.

1964 – Guatemala disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1964 – 1981 they murdered 100,000 Mayan Indians.

1970 – Uganda disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1971 – 1979 they murdered 300,000 Christians.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 22, 2015 6:41 PM
Comment #401544

Question: Does any state require citizens to register their fireplaces?

Yes

California

Isn’t that just great!

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 22, 2015 7:57 PM
Comment #401547

RF,
The USA armed its citizens, and between 2001 and 2015, they murdered over 400,000 Americans- without even engaging in a war!

Kctim,

“Saying something terrible to a woman does not mean you hate all women.”

True. But do it twice, or three times, or many more times, and it becomes evidence of misogyny. Stand by silently while it happens, and you are complicit. Call a moderator a “bimbo,” call women “fat pigs,” “slobs,” “dogs,” and “disgusting animals” and… yeah… that’s misogyny. Suggest Hillary Clinton got “schlonged,” and attack Carly Fiorinia because of her face and… yeah… that’s misogyny. And hard as it may be to believe, there are even worse examples.

“Stating the fact that murderers and rapists are part of our illegal alien problem, is not racist.”

Of course not. But suggesting most of them are murderers and racists, while only some are good people… well, baby… that’s racism. Push Birtherism? Oh yeah. That’s racist too. Tweet fake statistics about blacks murdering whites? That’s racist.

“Having the opinion that marriage should be between one man and one woman, does not mean you fear or hate gays.”

Until, of course, you deny them the right to marry one another. They have a right to pursue happiness, you know, and doing so does no not harm your own beliefs or religious practices in any way, shape, or form.

Unless your religion requires you to deny other people basic rights. If your ‘religious freedom’ depends on denying other people their religious freedom, then party on, Garth.

Posted by: phx8 at December 22, 2015 10:17 PM
Comment #401549

Phx8

US citizens have been armed from the very beginning and the majority have murdered nobody. But, if you wish to debate those 400,000 murders, perhaps we should discuss who is responsible for the majority of them?

What’s with the double standard? After all the crap the left has said about Republican women, there is no way in he11 you guys can really expect to be taken seriously. The left makes Trump look like an amateur.

Hillary intentionally makes a false claim she has no proof of, and you say “she may be right.” Trump makes a claim that is actually partly true, and you call him a racist. Weak man. You could at least try to be consistent.

“Push Birtherism? Oh yeah. That’s racist too.”

BS.
Of course a few push it because they are racist, but most push it because of politics.
The ‘that’s racist’ rhetoric is nothing but a way to shut down any and all disagreement and questioning.

“Tweet fake statistics about blacks murdering whites? That’s racist.”

No, it’s not Phx8. Intent is what would make it racist or not.

“Until, of course, you deny them the right to marry one another.”

Sigh. No.
Marriage is a privilege and we have regulated it from the moment government took control. To this very day, government prevents people from marrying one another. Simply disagreeing with those regulations does not automatically equal fear or hate.
The fact is that millions of Americans who support traditional marriage interact with gay folks every day, without any fear or hate. Of course, that doesn’t support pushing the agenda, so you resort to hyperbole.

I’m not religious in any way, so the rest of your anti religious rhetoric isn’t worth responding to.

Maybe now we can discuss Hillarys dishonesty and the lefts hypocrisy that C&J is talking about?

Posted by: kctim at December 23, 2015 10:04 AM
Comment #401550

I am only a misogynistic, racist, gay bashing homophobic if I say I am?

Happy Holidays to the WB community.

Posted by: Speak4all at December 23, 2015 12:09 PM
Comment #401551

kctim,
“What’s with the double standard? After all the crap the left has said about Republican women…”

While there are plenty of examples of people on the right and left saying inappropriate things about candidates, that is not the same as the candidate saying inappropriate things. Trump is way out of bounds. I have never seen a candidate for president speak in such a boorish, vulgar manner in public. That is not an appropriate way to represent the United States.

And yes, Birtherism is racist at its core. The intent is delegitimize the president, to pretend he is not American, that he is unlike us. Why? Simple. Because he is black. No other presidential candidate has ever faced such accusations by such a large segment of an opposition party- not McCain (who was born on a military base in Panama) and not Cruz (who was born in Canada and whose father was not an American Citizen) and not Rubio (who was born in the US, but whose parents were not citizens at the time). Accusing Obama of being a Muslim comes from a similar dark place in the American psyche, and in a recent poll, 43% of Republicans believe Obama is a Muslim. It is no coincidence that Trump’s national poll numbers put him in that vicinity.

I’ve already said HRC should not have accused Trump of being ISIS’s best recruiter.

To be specific, she claimed ISIS is “going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists.”

She elaborated yesterday: “… People around the world pay close attention to our elections. And if you go on Arabic television, as we have, and you look at what is being blasted out with video of Mr. Trump being translated into Arabic, ‘No Muslims coming into the United States,’ other kinds of derogatory, defamatory statements, it is playing into the hands of the violent jihadists. There is nothing they want more than to be able to claim that the United States is against Islam and against Muslims and that then lights an even bigger fire for them to make their propaganda claims through social media and other ways.”

Posted by: phx8 at December 23, 2015 2:24 PM
Comment #401552
BTW, for the past 8 years my President has referred to me as a racist bitter clinger who loves guns more than children, so forgive me if your faux outrage over insults and name-calling mean nothing.

kctim, is this a bit of the drama queen coming out here? How many times has Obama spoken directly to you or about you and used the words “racist bitter clinger” this past 8 years? I call BS and IMHO you are exaggerating or as you would say “intentionally made a false statement (lied)”

And, IF the country is lucky, most people can’t believe Trump AND Clinton are sitting at the top of the polls right now.

I can. If you look beyond the outrageous comments Trump uses to keep up the free advertising he gets by doing so he makes many good points that ring true to many working class Americans. These people are kinda conservatives and many are repubs when it comes time to vote.

As an example, when you see your jobs and wages disappearing in this country speaking out against immigration as a reason gains the attention of those affected by the lower wages and lost jobs. He has said he would protect SS by getting more money into SS not take it away like his repub buddies would do.
Those that run fast food chains favor immigration because it keeps them supplied with low wage workers. Trump used the corporate media and got his point across to many Americans. Had he said what I just said he wouldn’t have got his point out and wouldn’t be leading the repubs in the polls.

The fact is many of these people don’t care about the hateful comments towards gays or women, they are concerned for their livelihood. Their money and their future are more important to them. Trump has become the old school dem who use to get the votes from the working class before they (the old school dems)went global and allowed immigrants to drive wages down and take jobs.

The remainder of the candidates on the repub side are corporate repubs to varying degrees, bought and paid for by the billionaires and corporations that get the laws passed that allows for the exploitation of the working class.Using the smoke screen issues, god guns and gays, to further the corporate and billionaire tax cuts and voodoo economics that have failed the country.


Posted by: j2t2 at December 23, 2015 2:34 PM
Comment #401553

Phx8,

IF the left is really worried that “People around the world pay close attention to our elections,” and statements “playing into the hands of the violent jihadists,” why do you still take words out of context to push leftist candidates?

Why promote propaganda that Trump wants to ban ALL Muslims from the US, when he clearly said a “shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”?

This is ALL about getting Hillary elected, and has absolutely nothing to do with some kind of concern the left may have about ISIS recruiting.

Posted by: kctim at December 23, 2015 3:22 PM
Comment #401554

“The USA armed its citizens, and between 2001 and 2015, they murdered over 400,000 Americans- without even engaging in a war!”

Bullshit. Americans have been armed since and even before we became a nation.

Does phx regret that we have not been disarmed and lost our freedom and liberty as has happened with many nations in the past?

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 23, 2015 3:37 PM
Comment #401555

J2,

Obama started out with calling people bitter clingers and has spent the last seven years saying racism is why people disagree with him. If you think he must speak directly to or about me for me to understand who he is talking about, you need help.

Neither Trump or Clinton are qualified to run the country. THAT is why I can’t believe they are sitting at the top of polls.

God, guns and gays ceased being smoke screen issues when leftists began attacking those who hold the ‘wrong’ view on them. And if you think those people hold those views in order to further some corporate conspiracy, you are wrong.

Posted by: kctim at December 23, 2015 3:51 PM
Comment #401556

kctim,
Here is what Trump said in his own statement: “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”

He goes on to say this:

“Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing “25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad” and 51% of those polled, “agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah.”

It is hateful and it is intended to promote fear and religious bigotry. The poll he quotes comes from the Center for Security Policy. Ever hear of them?

The CSP is the work of Frank Gaffney, and he specializes in conspiracy theories about Muslims. He promotes the idea that Obama is a Muslim, and he also promotes the idea that the US government has been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood.

This is the poll Trump cites as a reason to bar Muslims from entering the country.

j2t2,
Interesting observations about Trump, but I’m not sure I agree, mostly because I do not think Trump himself knows what he believes. I think a lot of what he says is impulsive, and his stands on some issues could just as easily flip to the other side, and then change right back again. He’s not really an ideologue. In 2012 his main political claim to fame was being a very loud, very well known Birther. Usually, he is interested in self-promotion. When he announced he would run in 2016, most people, including me, thought it was basically a joke- yet another exercise in Trumpian self-promotion- because that is what he does. I’m not even sure Trump was serious until he made this racist comment:

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime. They’re rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they’re telling us what we’re getting.”

As far as I can tell, Trump represents a new kind of conservative. This is the conservatism of Limbaugh and Hannity and FOX. It is often reactionary, and does not even bother to offer an alternative. The classic example is Obamacare, and repealing health care reform without advocating an alternative. In this new conservatism, a dwindling minority of older, white, rural males are enraged at losing control. They are afraid, and they blame others for losing control, whether it is immigrants for taking jobs, or on other issues, the Chinese, the Japanese, the Iranians, ISIS, and so on.

He seems to have no use at all for the traditional conservative economic agenda. Occasionally he will pay lip service, but it lacks conviction.

Posted by: phx8 at December 23, 2015 4:09 PM
Comment #401557

Here’s a fun video clip to watch from candidate Obama in the 2008 campaign. How many lies can you count? I stopped at 15. Enjoy phx8.

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=Obama+on+health+care+in+2008+campaign&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 23, 2015 4:53 PM
Comment #401558

Sorry, here’s the correct link…I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBl1zF7FEu4

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 23, 2015 4:55 PM
Comment #401559

Well, third times the charm…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9_AkJ7cjK8

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 23, 2015 5:10 PM
Comment #401560
Obama started out with calling people bitter clingers and has spent the last seven years saying racism is why people disagree with him.

So kctim, Once Obama said “bitter clingers” not “for the past 8 years” as you previously claimed. Now you tell us he has only being calling you a racist for the past 7 years instead of the original 8. I still call BS. Exaggeration on your part. Perhaps it is wishful thinking as well. Just keep repeating it often enough and it becomes conservative truth right? Using conservative logic once this becomes conservative truth then it means all them conservatives aren’t racist because … well.. because… Obama.

phx8, those that would vote for Trump do seem to eat up the talk radio conservatism you mentioned. The difference between Trump as he claims and these guys is the distinction between the corporate conservative and the working class conservative. Trump uses the same outrageous claims and such as the talk radio conservatives because it works. I hope he continues to lead in the polls and ultimately become the repub nomination for president.

My guess is many corporate repubs/conservatives would run towards Hillary. Which would be ok for the repubs, IMHO (although I would ROTFLMAO at the hypocrisy of it all), because many progressives poor and minorities will stay to home come election time. Or if not Hillary to 3rd party candidates which again is good in my book. Should any of the other repub candidates get the nod many of the working class will stay home because for them it is Trump or nothing. It will take a lot of vote rigging for repubs to win this election either way but it will still be close as to many people will stay home this time out.

They can blame Trump but the real problem they have is no competency in repub leadership. Look at the remainder of the presidential hopefuls behind Trump, they make us a laughing stock on the world stage, Putin looks good compared to most of these guys. This is the right’s best and brightest!

Posted by: j2t2 at December 23, 2015 6:02 PM
Comment #401561

This is the right’s best and brightest!
Posted by: j2t2 at December 23, 2015 6:02 PM

Many thanks j2t2 for pointing out all the republicans running while the dems have two old tired socialist types and one incompetent. They couldn’t even persuade a sitting Vice President to run.

We find much the same in state races. There is a lack of new dem faces to compete. The dem party is old, tired, and out of touch. Younger voters are educating themselves and many now know that all this debt both parties have run up will be paid out of their hides.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 23, 2015 6:24 PM
Comment #401562

j2t2,
“The difference between Trump as he claims and these guys is the distinction between the corporate conservative and the working class conservative.”

It is a good distinction. There used to be an establishment/corporatist wing and an evangelical wing, but conservatives seemed to have abandoned the establishment/corporatist wing to a large extent. Bush #43 ruined it for them. They were willing enough to be apologists both then and now, but they know deep down those policies failed, and they have no heart for another eight years of disaster.

The working class conservatives are primarily white. The establishment/corporatist wing used to be able to run a con on them by convincing them the workers were being taxed and the money then being given to poor people- blacks, Hispanics, immigrants, single white women, the young, the old, and so on. The 47% were getting free stuff at their expense! But the working class conservatives finally saw through the con. The tax cuts were benefiting the wealthy- not them. Destroying social security wasn’t going to help- it was going hurt the workers. Their jobs were being outsourced and off-shored, the unions they’d been taught to hate were no longer there to protect them, and wages stagnated with the rich became richer. And now Trump has come along, and perhaps they have finally had enough of the establishment.

The social fundamentalist conservatives are in somewhat of the same boat. They been promised by the establishment that abortion would stop, gays would be repressed, and birth control would be rolled back, but once again, the social fundamentalists saw through the con. The establishment did not care about those issues and never had any intention of addressing them, not really. Some are going to Trump, but another bloc may materialize around Cruz.

So I’m glad Trump is running, in so far as it will virtually guarantee a big Democratic victory, but I am unhappy in the sense that I truly believe he drags the entire nation down to his level.

Posted by: phx8 at December 23, 2015 6:44 PM
Comment #401563

Here’s phx8’s lesson in logic. Trump can’t beat Clinton. No other Republican candidate can beat Trump. Therefore Clinton must win.

Hell…why even have the election?

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 23, 2015 6:52 PM
Comment #401564
There is a lack of new dem faces to compete. The dem party is old, tired, and out of touch.

I would agree the dems seem to have a lack of new faces, I would suggest it isn’t because the dems are out of touch I would suggest those that would run for a political office find it to be to corrupt for their liking. This of course isn’t a problem on the repub side as we see. A lack of ethics is no stumbling block for the right.

Younger voters are educating themselves and many now know that all this debt both parties have run up will be paid out of their hides.

I would say the young who have educated themselves are so mired in college debt that they haven’t the time or money to run for office. I would agree they are wising up but at this point they are told so what by the repub led Congress it’s done we are still at war and will be for years. Don’t expect the debt to go down as we still continue to cut taxes for the top 1% while buying war planes we don’t need from those that sponsor our stint in Congress.

But why would you be proud of leaving this debt behind for your children and their children, Royal? Leaving the country much worse off than when you came of age. Perhaps it is you that should be getting the education after all you fell for the tax cuts during war time and bloated military, voted into office those that increased the size and budget of the military, and was glad the tax cuts for the wealthy were made with out any offsets.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 23, 2015 7:56 PM
Comment #401565

Something rotten in Denmark (can anybody tell me where that slogan came from, it’s meaning?) when it comes to this issue re muslims refused boarding permit to a US flight from London. I suspect this one goes right back to the Clinton Foundation or some sub part thereof.

Posted by: roy ellis at December 23, 2015 9:52 PM
Comment #401566

Roy you are quoting Shakespeare from Hamlet.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 23, 2015 10:16 PM
Comment #401567

Sssshhhhaazzzaaaammmm? Didn’t know I had it in me.

I see where Jerry Falwell gave up on the political process. Maybe he will have the wherewithall to start a 3rd party.

Posted by: roy ellis at December 23, 2015 10:54 PM
Comment #401568

RF,
We’re seeing nothing but polls right now. Not one primary vote has been cast, never mind a general election. I still find it extremely difficult to believe Trump will be the nominee. But when a candidate stays this long at the top of the polls with a lead this big, despite competing against a huge field… Pardon me. A Hyouuuuge field…

Posted by: phx8 at December 23, 2015 11:09 PM
Comment #401569

Came to me about 4am this morning that it was Reverend Franklin Graham that quit the GOP. Please, e for effort …

Posted by: roy ellis at December 24, 2015 10:20 AM
Comment #401570

It was Falwell that told his students to arm themselves.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 24, 2015 3:08 PM
Comment #401571

I don’t place much stock in anything Dick Morris writes or says, but this is interesting.

“A Hillary Clinton email Wednesday seeking to quickly raise $2 million from supporters because she might “lose” the Democratic presidential contests in Iowa and New Hampshire “indicates that all hell is breaking loose,” political strategist Dick Morris told Newsmax TV.”

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/dick-morris-reaction-hillary-clinton-email/2015/12/23/id/706988/#ixzz3vH0YPfk0

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 24, 2015 3:48 PM
Comment #401572

A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYONE.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 24, 2015 4:53 PM
Comment #401573

“There are many things from which I might have derived good, by which I have not profited, I dare say,” returned the nephew. “Christmas among the rest. But I am sure I have always thought of Christmas time, when it has come round—apart from the veneration due to its sacred name and origin, if anything belonging to it can be apart from that—as a good time; a kind, forgiving, charitable, pleasant time; the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow-passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys. And therefore, uncle, though it has never put a scrap of gold or silver in my pocket, I believe that it has done me good, and will do me good; and I say, God bless it!”

—Charles Dickens, 1843

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at December 24, 2015 8:48 PM
Comment #401574

Christmas is the very best time of the year for the very best of reasons.

Posted by: roy ellis at December 24, 2015 10:24 PM
Comment #401603

Phx8
A temporary stop to access the situation is common sense, not some covert sign of racism.

“This is the poll Trump cites”

Because it supports his position on controlling immigration, not because he has displayed actual racism. The fact that you have to ignore the results by attacking the messenger, should tell you how wrong you are.

“as a reason to bar Muslims from entering the country”

Temporarily stop them from entering the country until our government figures out what is going on. In other words, until they can come up with a more secure process.


J2

“Now you tell us he has only being calling you a racist for the past 7 years instead of the original 8.”

So you are now basing your rhetoric on me being off by 4 months? LOL!

“Using conservative logic once this becomes conservative truth then it means all them conservatives aren’t racist because … well.. because… Obama.”

What Obama said in April of 08 is fact. It is also fact that Obama has said multiple times that people disagree with him simply because he is black.

The truth is, Obama and the left have been using a perverted definition of racism in hopes of political benefit, and it looks like people are getting tired of it.

Posted by: kctim at December 29, 2015 9:35 AM
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