Ring out the clowns

I hate to watch Hillary Clinton, with her schoolmarm lecturing style and arrogant feeling of entitlement. But I am coming to hate to watch Trump even more, with his glib defense of truly stupid ideas and his constant pulling himself up by pulling others down. It makes me despair for my country that these are the two front runners in the respective parties. My only hope is that more sanity will set in before November next year.

Trump gets lots of mileage about being independent. He makes a big deal about no needing to take money from others, because this frees him from the influence of rich guys. What would the rich guys do? Presumably, they would push their pet projects. Okay. So maybe the other candidates would be beholden to a couple thousand rich guys. Bad if they substitute their judgement for that of "the people." So what is Trump? Instead of a couple thousand rich guys, we have ONE out of touch rich guy.

Trump has gone bankrupt four times. He doesn't hide that; he revels in it. Trump points out that he came out on top and he is right. He came out on top by shifting the costs to partners, investors and local governments. Sure, he is a survivor, but those around him are not so lucky. If he gets to be president who are those people? US, all of us. Trump will dodge and shift the blame and we will be left holding the bag, just like all those who trusted Trump in the past.

So let's dump Trump & Hillary quick as we can. Both are bad for our country. Both are self-serving creeps who want to be president because they "deserve" it. Both get away with way too much. Dump them.

Posted by Christine & John at August 24, 2015 8:46 PM
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Comment #397842

HRC is no more self-serving than any other politician. She does come across as distant, and there is a good reason for that- she is constantly surrounded by security because she is as close to an heir apparent as we are likely to see, an possibly the first female president. She has already been First Lady of Arkansas, First Lady for eight years in the White House, a Senator, and Secretary of State. So the security does, in fact, separate her from people who want to get close.

She shares little in common with Donald Trump. She has spent her career in public service. Trump has spent his time in business. HRC carefully measures her words. Diplomacy can be considered a synonym for tact. Trump, on the other hand, is constantly ad-libbing. Since even an offhand comment by a president can send markets up or down to the tune of billions of dollars, to say nothing of its effect on allies and opponents, a person like Trump would be a national nightmare.

I can’t imagine Trump ever actually winning the GOP nomination; but then again, I never thought that out of a field of 17, he would be at the top of the polls for over a month.

I’m wondering if Biden might set up campaign to run for president. There is no way he can win. It is too late, and most of the money and talent have already been committed. However, Biden could run a kind of place-holder campaign, just in case anything happens to Hillary. It would enable him to gin up quickly, and in the meantime, he can spend a minimum of time campaigning, claiming his VP duties keep him off the trail.

Posted by: phx8 at August 25, 2015 10:53 AM
Comment #397843

C&J have you heard the expression “you reap what you sow”? It seems ever so fitting for repubs with the 17 clowns they have to choose from the clown bus.

I hate to watch Hillary Clinton, with her schoolmarm lecturing style and arrogant feeling of entitlement.

Perhaps you are a charisma junkie that needs the excitement of a JEb oh wait… no charisma there, I mean jeez I guess it is just Donald with the charisma needed to keep you guys feeding at the trough.

But I am coming to hate to watch Trump even more, with his glib defense of truly stupid ideas and his constant pulling himself up by pulling others down.

This sounds like the entire repub party not just the Trump C&J. All your team does is attack Clinton usually with vicious rumors and outright lies. Some times a bit of half truths but a whole lot more misinformation.

It makes me despair for my country that these are the two front runners in the respective parties. My only hope is that more sanity will set in before November next year.

NOw you know how many on the left have felt for years as we watch your team destroy the country with all these “divide and conquer” issues while leaving the real problems unattended. Hell we look at the group of 17 and wonder how this country could have gotten so far off the road and then we realize it was these guys driving the bus.

Okay. So maybe the other candidates would be beholden to a couple thousand rich guys. Bad if they substitute their judgement for that of “the people.”

Oligarchy either way isn’t it? These rich guys have bribed our elected officials for so long we have laws that hurt the many for the good of the few, or as we say republican rule.

If he gets to be president who are those people? US, all of us. Trump will dodge and shift the blame and we will be left holding the bag, just like all those who trusted Trump in the past.

The problem is it isn’t just Trump C&J, look at Walker or Jeb, or Cruz, or Rubio, or Christie, or Fiorina, or well you get the point. The ideology of conservatives as practiced is the problem. The push towards extremism over the years has taken its toll on the GOP and Trump is actually a better candidate now than the rest of the clown bus. People like honest and right or wrong he is honest about the type of government he wants.

So let’s dump Trump & Hillary quick as we can. Both are bad for our country. Both are self-serving creeps who want to be president because they “deserve” it. Both get away with way too much. Dump them.

Dump’em! I say lets cut to the chase and have the election now. Like it or not Trump is the best you guys have to offer, Hillary is the best the dems have if they don’t want to concede the election to Trump and the repubs. The rest of your teams pack would be worse for the country than Donald.

SO I would suggest you cut the charade and realize that even without the charisma Hillary is better for the country than anything your team has to offer despite the ridiculous transference thing you are trying here on WB.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 25, 2015 11:37 AM
Comment #397847

What great entertainment. All the political pundits on WB expounding on their great insight into the candidates.

We have a RHINO and an avowed socialist telling the rest of us what we should think.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2015 3:14 PM
Comment #397849

Backing a Clinton into a corner and listening to the lies that ensue is great fun.

Bill is infamous for saying he “never had s*x with that woman.” Not too bad until he does it under oath and is impeached.

Hillary blurted out “what difference does it make” in a congressional hearing and can’t live down those hasty words. Now, involved in another issue involving malfeasance, she continues to obscure the truth about her handling of classified material.

As the heat builds, she will eventually use her opera voice and thrill us all by hitting a high “C”. Next time she is in front of a back audience she will no doubt entertain us all with her hilarious “blackspeak”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2015 4:19 PM
Comment #397851

Is this what it has come to “We have a RHINO” (I assume you meant RINO, Republican In Name Only)? C&J is now being attacked by fellow conservatives for just voicing an opinion regarding the viability of a candidate for their party’s nomination and is vilified for doing so. Trump is certainly causing some problems, for himself and others. I do not think C&J are being RINO, but then I like to see a variety of opinions expressed and have no need to hold someone to a dogmatic set of standards. It would seem that Trump’s appeal is to encourage the conservatives and Republicans to begin a cannibalism that may very well stymie any attempt at rational discussion of policy and issues with anyone who disagrees with his proclamations. Case in point, Megyn Kelly.

Posted by: Speak4all at August 25, 2015 4:44 PM
Comment #397852

Speak, I just call it as I read it.

You will have to ask John if he is a RINO or a Conservative. I can’t really tell from his recent writings.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2015 5:28 PM
Comment #397853

Let me add Speak that I am a Conservative. Our last two Republican candidates, and our last Republican president were RINO’s and yet I voted for them. I didn’t stay home and pout.

I have not declared my support for any candidate yet, including Trump.

John has been so un-Republican as to declare that he would not vote if Trump is the nominee. Isn’t that a little childish?

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2015 5:36 PM
Comment #397854

I don’t need to ask C&J anything. It is obvious by his postings that he holds conservative views and is definitely a Republican. I am uncertain what some in the Republican party can tell me about anything any more. There seems to be something contagious being promulgated and I would just as soon use silent observation, however when a conservative and avowed Republican author on this blog for many years is accused of being a RINO I have to wonder, have some lost their sense of party affiliation or perhaps they never had any.

My hope is that HRC gives many, many speeches and you listen to every one of them from beginning to end.

Posted by: Speak4all at August 25, 2015 5:44 PM
Comment #397855
John has been so un-Republican as to declare that he would not vote if Trump is the nominee. Isn’t that a little childish?
Trump has been so un-Republican to declare that he cannot garuntee that he will support the eventual GOP nominee if it isn’t him. Isn’t that a little childish.

Heck, even I have publicly shared my misgivings regarding HRC. If it came down to HRC vs. (Bush, Walker, Trump), I would definitely be scrambling hard to find a 3rd party candidate to support.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 25, 2015 5:49 PM
Comment #397856

I would not be the right person to ask if a Republican is being childish. I am of the opinion that some Republicans today can’t hold a viable thought process due to the outlandish and ridiculous manufactured and make believe problems that have been brought about by right wing media pundits that have them worked into such a fever that they are disillusioned and unable to hold political thoughts and objectives. They have turned some of them into a crowd of rabble, making unreasonable demands.

Posted by: Speak4all at August 25, 2015 5:51 PM
Comment #397857

Be assured Speak that my Hillary watching will continue. I love great entertainment. Hillary is reaping what she has sowed.

I was reading an email from a friend that listed all the horrible decisions Bill allowed Hillary to make when he held office. A true litany of failure and incompetence.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2015 5:51 PM
Comment #397858

John wrote; “Trump has gone bankrupt four times.”

Not Trump, some of his businesses.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2015 5:53 PM
Comment #397859

Speak: “I would not be the right person to ask if a Republican is being childish.”

Anyone who doesn’t vote because their favored nominee isn’t the candidate is childish.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2015 5:56 PM
Comment #397860

I expect HRC will continue campaigning until she decides she cannot. I haven’t seen anything that should persuade her to stop yet but there is still much more that will happen. We shall see.

Posted by: Speak4all at August 25, 2015 5:56 PM
Comment #397861

I hope she stays in the race too Speak. When she is under pressure she makes wonderfully entertaining mistakes; similar to obama.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2015 6:00 PM
Comment #397862

On bankruptcy:

“NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — General Motors filed for bankruptcy protection early Monday, a move once viewed as unthinkable that became inevitable after years of losses and market share declines capped by a dramatic plunge in sales in recent months.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2015 6:15 PM
Comment #397863

“Isn’t that a little childish?”

Not if you take Trump at his word. How could anyone vote for him? The man is a boorish, self aggrandizing nut case. His proposals are absurd. His petulant, middle school rants against anyone who criticizes or opposes him are bizarre for a person running for the office of the president. Going after Megyn Kelly a second time makes you wonder whether he has an anger management problem.

Granted, he is entertaining. But, listen to his shtick for a few times and you realize that he has very little to offer beyond: I am great, they suck and I will fix every problem, real or imagined, in short order. No problem, man.

So, why is he riding so high in the polls? Well, I think that he is tapping into a yearning by the public for politicians to actually say what they mean and mean what they say. The fact that he doesn’t say anything meaningful is beside the point. The fact that he couldn’t actually believe half of what he says is beside the point. The important point is that he is perceived by many as saying what he actually thinks.


Posted by: Rich at August 25, 2015 6:41 PM
Comment #397864

Gee thanks Rich for your concise political analysis. Once your word gets out, Trump will drop like a rock.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2015 6:51 PM
Comment #397865

Royal,

Trump is going to drop like a rock. Eventually, he will have to actually propose something beyond some fantasy. Up to now, though, the Republican primary is like watching a WWE wrestling match. I am waiting for Trump to hit someone over the head with a chair.

I must confess, though, that the appeal of a WWE like politician makes me a bit queasy. As a famous wrestler once said about wrestling fans: “The thing that scares me the most about wrestling fans is that they can vote and they can breed.”

Posted by: Rich at August 25, 2015 7:18 PM
Comment #397866

The thing that scares me the most about liberals and socialists is that they can vote and they can breed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2015 7:30 PM
Comment #397867

“Trump is going to drop like a rock.”

From your keyboard to God’s ear.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2015 7:31 PM
Comment #397868

The Republican Party elite created the opportunity for Trump to run since they have betrayed Conservatives at every opportunity.

Mitch McConnell and John Boehner are both incompetent. These are the people who are truly the Clowns.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2015 7:50 PM
Comment #397869

Royal

It may be churlish for me to say that I would not vote for Trump if he is nominated. What about Trump, who would not pledge to support the Republican candidate if it was not him?

Trump is not a conservative and maybe not a Republican. His career has been built on crony capitalism. He has used the bankruptcy laws as offensive weapons and used his power to exhort money from local and state governments. In a freer market, Trump fails.

Re Trump bankruptcy - He shielded his own wealth while letting down his investors and creditors. It is not something to be admired.

Re voting Republican - I look to the party to represent my values. I do not represent theirs. If the party stops being a good vehicle for what I think is right, I have the right, and maybe the duty to change.

I don’t envision that I could drift to Democrat and I have have reasonable confidence that Republicans will drop Trump like a hot potato when they get to know him better.

Posted by: C&J at August 25, 2015 9:03 PM
Comment #397870

C&J for 3rd party President !!!

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at August 25, 2015 9:18 PM
Comment #397872

Jack,

“It may be churlish for me to say that I would not vote for Trump if he is nominated.”

If anybody is being “churlish” it is those who are giving you crap merely because you had the temerity to speak your mind.

Anyone who thinks a vote for Trump will make things better is a fool.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at August 25, 2015 10:42 PM
Comment #397873
Trump is not a conservative and maybe not a Republican. His career has been built on crony capitalism.

C&J so has the other clown bus candidates “donors”. The only difference is the other crony capitalist are a bit smarter and lurk in the background where Trump being more honest is out there telling the American people the truth about how business has bought our government. I wonder though why you would tell us Trump isn’t a conservatives when known conservatives flock to him and the positions he deems important, which are conservative ideology. Perhaps you have been out of touch recently with movement leaders. I mean this isn’t the ‘80’s after all.

Yet as you see real conservatives like Royal, who it seems thinks you are an avowed socialist( must be that crony capitalist thing) and well I guess myself or phx8 a rhino, think the other candidates such as Wanker, Perry, Fiornia, Bush, Cruz aren’t bought and paid for by their “donors”. Now we know better. but guys like Royal…well he knows conservatism as practiced and crony capitalism are one and the same and thinks it is a good thing.

I would suggest that since real conservatives cannot stand moderates such as yourself that you consider Bernie Sanders the only other honest man in the current group of politicians seeking higher office, seeings as you don’t like Clinton.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 25, 2015 11:39 PM
Comment #397878

Rich,
“Up to now, though, the Republican primary is like watching a WWE wrestling match. I am waiting for Trump to hit someone over the head with a chair.”

Good one!

Polls show Trump leading his nearest contenders by double digits and even triple digits. Include Carson, and 40% or more of the GOP is backing these… these… oh, let’s just be nice, and call them ‘candidates.’

Now Cruz, another… (shudder)… candidate… is pushing for a shutdown of the federal government over PP funding.

In 2013, the Senate passed a bipartisan immigration reform bill. The extremists in the House, led by Congressman Steve ‘calves like cantaloupes’ King and Michele Bachmann, rejected it and passed their own radical bill, which of course failed. When Obama then issued an executive order, conservatives called in ‘unconstitutional’ and ‘lawless,’ so instead of compromise legislation that would have addressed the issue, or an executive order that would have at least been an improvement over doing nothing, the Republicans and conservatives achieved precisely nothing.

Now look at where we are. Conservatives have no one to blame but themselves. The GOP is self-destructing before our eyes. They deserve it.

Posted by: phx8 at August 26, 2015 11:07 AM
Comment #397917

“Yet as you see real conservatives like Royal, who it seems thinks you are an avowed socialist( must be that crony capitalist thing) and well I guess myself or phx8 a rhino…”

How silly.

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