Planned Parenthood, Genetics, and Organ-Trading

From sexual slavery in first world countries where women from abroad are brought in to be exotic dancers and prostitutes in a dangerous underworld of sex, drugs, and money; to the trading of organs stripped from the fetus - unborn child would be a better description but let’s stick to medical terminology - a woman and her child are commodities with precious little rights. While Planned Parenthood would seem a long way from a strip club that beats and imprison’s it’s female slave labor, they share a contempt for human dignity, all the while, in Planned Parenthood’s case, professing to edify and uphold human rights. And they share a common source - broadly speaking - our liberation from repressive sexual mores. So, in today’s long-liberated world pornography abounds, protected by a perversion - in every sense of the word - of freedom of expression. And the sex industry is global and omnivorous. And pregnancy and birth and life, are shaded meanings where us men are told to wait uncomfortably at the margins while women debate over their bodies and lives.

So it should not shock - even if it is shocking - that Planned Parenthood runs a profitable sideline that trades in these baby organs. Research that may - admittedly but uncertainly as well - save lives is hungry for those tender tissues that would have been part of a newborn child. While the stem cell research debate goes beyond the question of abortion, it cannot separate itself from the issue. Genetics now has the ability to focus on key genes that cause chronic or life-threatening diseases. And one supposes that as "genetic counseling" is now part of pre-natal care, we are now able to test our unborn child to see if it harbors these faulty genes. Will abortions increase if we can't put together a designer baby, a flesh-and-blood accessory, that suits our lifestyle? And will those abortions feed the research industry that provides the research that informs us that our to-be-born child is say IQ deficient? Or prone to leukemia? Or some other syndrome? Like Down's? We have already delved into the heart of life itself. There is no turning back. Science can and does save lives. But ethics - the kind built on morality and not a docile acceptance of the latest technology - are needed now more than ever. Life itself depends on it.

Posted by Keeley at July 27, 2015 8:04 PM
Comments
Comment #396840

Ethics and morality are non-existent in today’s American society. The racist Margret Stanger would be proud of the left’s ability to use PP to wipe out a generation of black and Hispanic babies. Sixty million babies aborted in the name of “rape, incest and women’s heath”. I would hate to e the one’s facing God’s wrath for causing these babies to walk through the fires of Molech. But whoever offends one of these little ones, “it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

Posted by: Blaine at July 28, 2015 8:30 AM
Comment #396844

Tsk, tsk. You’re not even really trying, are you? If you want to peddle a fake scandal, you need to pump it up! Take the lead from your GOP presidential candidates and other conservatives, and go for it! Remember the murder of Vince Foster and Travelgate? Think Benghazi and the IRS scandal. Come on now. You can do this! Mmm hmm. This fake scandal could really use some help. Try to work in words like ‘murder’ and ‘rape’ and ‘Pontius Pilate’ and maybe something about ‘marching them to the ovens’; then, tie it to Hillary Clinton and accuse her of lying!

How about this: Hillary Clinton is having secret lesbian love affairs and bearing children with her illegal immigrant maids, and then using funds from the Clinton Foundation to burn the aborted embryos while they are still alive. She keeps track of them on her private e-mail server. It’s all there! The science might be a little shaky, but don’t let that stop you! After all, your audience is gullible conservatives, and they’ll believe virtually anything! But wait! There’s more! The ashes of the embryos are then buried in Arlington Cemetery, and once, when the military threatened to investigate, she ordered them to stand down. An edited movie of her confession could be pieced together- just call James O’Keefe. The evidence is there. Yes, the truth is out there somewhere. Obviously HRC is a liar.

See how easy it is?

Posted by: phx8 at July 28, 2015 10:21 AM
Comment #396845

Blaine has the right idea. Throw in accusations of genocidal eugenics, mention blacks and Hispanics, invent wild numbers in the millions (should have gone for billions), invoke God, and go Biblical. That’s a good start, but he Blaine should have tied it to Hillary.

Keep trying! You can do this!

Posted by: phx8 at July 28, 2015 10:25 AM
Comment #396847

LOL!!!
One of the lefts most sacred cows under attack. I wish I could say that I am surprised by the lefts pathetic reaction, but it was fully expected. The ends justify the means. Defend at all costs.

Take away all government funding of planned termination and let them make whatever profit they can within the law.

Posted by: kctim at July 28, 2015 12:44 PM
Comment #396848

kctim,
If you are referring to Planned Parenthood, by law it cannot receive federal funds for abortions.

“Planned Parenthood is the largest U.S. provider of reproductive health services, including cancer screening, HIV screening and counseling, contraception, and abortion.[4][5][6] Contraception accounts for 34% of PPFA’s total services and abortions account for 3%. PPFA conducts roughly 300,000 abortions annually, among the 3 million people the organization serves.”
Wikipedia

Funding for abortions comes from a large number of private donors.

Defunding Planned Parenthood means taking away federal funds from “reproductive health services, including cancer screening, HIV screening and counseling, and contraception. In a War on Women there could be no more devastating blow to their health.

Posted by: phx8 at July 28, 2015 12:59 PM
Comment #396850

phx8, A woman can go to any hospital or Gynacologist for those procedures or any Doctor for that matter. If Obamacare is so great why the need for PP?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 28, 2015 1:43 PM
Comment #396852

Good question, KAP. They can use Obamacare. But PP primarily serves those too poor to have health care services. Even with Obamacare, there are still a lot women without health insurance or Medicaid coverage. Perhaps the day will come when PP becomes unnecessary. I’ve always thought Universal Health Care makes more sense, and this is a good example of where the system could be made more efficient.

Posted by: phx8 at July 28, 2015 2:05 PM
Comment #396853

Great point KAP…

Posted by: Blaine at July 28, 2015 2:07 PM
Comment #396854

phx8, MEDICAID is for the poor so your poor women scenario falls flat. Why do we still need PP? All those poor women have to do is apply for Medicaid so we don’t really need PP do we?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 28, 2015 2:21 PM
Comment #396855

Phx8

Every government penny used to keep the lights on, is one less Planned Parenthood penny used for lights and one more Planned Parenthood penny to be used for abortions.

“In a War on Women there could be no more devastating blow to their health.”

Sure there is. People could just choose to pay for data so they can tell others how much they care, instead of using that money to actually help.
That would be (is) a War on Everybody, and would be (is) twice as devastating as losing government funding for one’s pet programs.

Posted by: kctim at July 28, 2015 2:31 PM
Comment #396856

A person has to enroll in Medicaid. And even though the number of people who are uninsured has dropped dramatically, there are still a lot out there.

PP could very well become unnecessary, but closing over 700 clinics would put an additional burden on hospitals and lessen the number of locations making the services available. Still, I could see how PP could eventually become redundant, or better yet, rolled into another governmental organization in the interests of efficiency.

Posted by: phx8 at July 28, 2015 2:33 PM
Comment #396857

phx8, The truth is Obamacare is putting PP out of business and their only reason they are in still open is ABORTIONS, the other stuff is really a front for tax dollars. So lets be truthful phx8, PP is NOT needed. Those 700 clinics can be converted into MEDICAL facilities for all poor people not just women. So now that shoots your burden on Hospitals in the foot doesn’t it. A woman would just need the Hospital for Abortions and what better place than a Hospital if complications set in.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 28, 2015 2:59 PM
Comment #396858

The clinics would still be just as useful even if PP as an organization ceased to exist. It would be a question of how to fund the clinics. So, KAP, I agree it is a matter of time before PP as an organization becomes unnecessary. But getting rid of PP without setting up the alternative funding has yet to be addressed. Using existing organizations- perhaps Medicare or Medicaid- might be a good answer.

Hospitals typically set up outpatient and urgent care facilities in their area, at least that’s the way it is in Oregon. Perhaps PP clinics could be absorbed and run by existing hospitals, and where there is redundancy because of proximity, the unneeded clinics could close.

Eventually the system will become more efficient. There is no question US health care still has a lot of room for improvement. Obamacare helped a lot, but there is clearly more that could be done.

Posted by: phx8 at July 28, 2015 3:20 PM
Comment #396859

phx8, We don’t need PP, we need Clinics to address all out patient concerns and the funds that PP gets can be diverted to those clinics that are governed by the area hospitals. That’s the way it is in Ohio to.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 28, 2015 3:41 PM
Comment #396860

Of course, we all know the idea behind the current conservative attack isn’t to distribute the services provided by PP elsewhere. It is intended to stop those services- mainly abortions, but also contraception. It is a direct attack on women’s rights, especially the right to control their own body.

At the time of the founding of our country women were not allowed to own property. Women have had to fight for their rights, including the right to vote. They obtained that right less than a hundred years ago. It wasn’t until the mid 60’s that women were able to use the pill without being stopped by others in the name of ‘religious freedom.’ Roe v Wade was relatively recent, too.

The current War on Women being waged by conservatives has been an ongoing war with a long history. It may look more like a rearguard action now, but women will need to stand up for their rights today or those rights will be taken away from them, and today’s manufactured controversy is a good example of that.

Posted by: phx8 at July 28, 2015 5:58 PM
Comment #396861

Phx8, you are speaking of scandals that I have never heard of; so you must be much more up to date on the scandals than I. I realize the very thought of invoking Scripture makes the left go ballistic; but do you honestly think that the Creator of the universe will not hold those who murder millions of babies responsible. So the left does not believe in God and certainly hate s His word; but that doesn’t change the fact that He exists and will hold men accountable. So, make all the jokes you want; men will give an account for every idle word spoken. “Throw in accusations”; it’s very easy to find the stats on the percentages of blacks aborted, compared to whites.

Kctim is correct; abortion is one of the sacred cows of the left. The argument of how the US tax dollars are used is also unprovable.

The left uses the same old threats; starve old people with SS cuts, starve school kids, throw grandma off the cliff, and the war on women. The problem for the left is, people are becoming wise to the lies.

KAP is correct; obamacare is putting PP out of business. Phx8 is arguing that PP clinics are needed and even states that there are poor people who still don’t have health insurance. If this is true, then it is the fault of the poor people. “Perhaps the day will come when PP become unnecessary”; yes, that day has come.

As we speak, there are protests taking place in hundreds of cities. Demanding congress cut funds to PP. The lists of corporations supporting PP are being released to the public; causing corporations to bail. It is only a matter of time. PP will go the same way Hillary Clinton will go under the bus.

phx8, at the time of the founding of our country, only tax paying property owners were allowed to vote; even white men.

The “war on women” is a straw man.

Posted by: Blaine at July 28, 2015 6:24 PM
Comment #396862

By the way, has Warren Porter shut down all comments made to his post in the blue column?

Posted by: Blaine at July 28, 2015 6:27 PM
Comment #396863

phx8, Obamacare took care of what PP was doing. There is no war on women and it’s only in your warped imagination. Women can get their Birth Control, abortion is still legal and can be done in a Hospital without the risk of a woman bleeding to death. The only manufactured controversy is you starting it. The only thing PP is in business for now is ABORTION period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 28, 2015 6:28 PM
Comment #396864

And since PP clinics are located in black and minority neighborhoods; it stands to reason their aim is to promote black and minority abortions…hence, fulfilling Margret Stanger’s goals of wiping out all blacks. Wasn’t it Stanger who wanted to neuter all blacks.

Posted by: Blaine at July 28, 2015 6:31 PM
Comment #396865

Health care is not universal in the US. Many states have declined to accept the additional funding for Medicaid under Obamacare. The result is a continuing gap in health services for the poor.

Nobody wants abortions. That is why the focus of PP is on prevention and contraceptives.

Posted by: Rich at July 28, 2015 6:45 PM
Comment #396866

Sure it is, Rich, and I have a Tropical Paradise to sell you at the North Pole.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 28, 2015 6:54 PM
Comment #396867
That is why the focus of PP is on prevention and contraceptives.

Go peddle your lies somewhere else. What a joke. I have never heard a lefty make the argument for “prevention and contraceptives”; but I have heard them argue for abortion and pro-choice. Unless pro-choice is a code word for “prevention and contraceptives”.

“Nobody wants abortions”; yes you do. The left has never seen an abortion that they didn’t worship.

“Many states have declined to accept the additional funding for Medicaid under Obamacare. The result is a continuing gap in health services for the poor.”

Didn’t the SCOTUS just rule that all states can have exchanges? If not paid for by the states, paid for by the feds?

Posted by: Blaine at July 28, 2015 6:55 PM
Comment #396868

The first Supreme Court decision on Obamacare ruled that states may opt out of the Medicaid expansion aspect of Obamacare. Many states did just that. Most are in the South and are red states. The result is a continuing gap in coverage for the very poor in those states.

The recent Supreme Court decision on individual subsidies for states that haven’t established state exchanges does not impact the very poor that depend upon Medicaid.

Posted by: Rich at July 28, 2015 7:11 PM
Comment #396870

I know it doesn’t fit the narrative of the left; but no one is refused medical attention. Not the poor, not the alien, and not the illegal. Just the same old liberal talking points; steal SS from old people, starve children, throw grandma off the cliff, and deny medical benefits.

Posted by: Blaine at July 28, 2015 8:07 PM
Comment #396872

Blaine,
Perhaps you should read up on PP before attempting to discuss it.

Posted by: phx8 at July 28, 2015 10:25 PM
Comment #396876

A typical leftist trick; attack the accuser (as Democrats are now calling for an investigation of the group who has exposed PP), or make the claim that anyone who does not agree with the left is ignorant. I’m sure I understand the goals of PP; but perhaps you are referring to you r own make believe conspiracy theories? Thanks for your talking points answer.

Posted by: Blaine at July 29, 2015 1:22 AM
Comment #396880

Phx8, it doesn’t really matter what the motive is behind these videos, it’s a pretty sick and messed up situation PP has put themselves in.
Common sense tells us that a lot of ‘I could care less’ people would not like what PP is doing here, so this information wasn’t ever supposed to be known by the everyday public. Add the callousness of the PP reps to that and people are justifiably upset.

Personally, I can’t understand the far-lefts tactics on PP and the abortion issue.
I don’t think abortion or contraception is a determining issue for at least half of those who vote for the right, it’s where the funding for those two things comes from that is the problem. You take away government funding and abortion becomes a non-issue for many many people.

“It is a direct attack on women’s rights, especially the right to control their own body.”

NOBODY is under attack simply because somebody else doesn’t want to give them something for nothing. This ‘war on women’ argument is typical of an elementary school playground.

Posted by: kctim at July 29, 2015 9:46 AM
Comment #396881

I will be writing another check as a donation to Planned Parenthood. This organization has helped people that I know and will continue to help people throughout our communities. It is laughable to view angry white males demanding more say in women’s health decisions because “they pay for it”. You guys need to pull your heads out of your backsides and understand that you really have no voice in deciding a women’s health issue, whether you think you are “paying for it” or not, it does not matter to women or me for that matter. It is all to typical to read the rage and stupidity being voiced by some on this subject. There doesn’t seem to be much other than rage and stupidity when it comes to the angry white males. Myself and the women I know like to ignore that whenever possible, or better still ridicule it for what it is, misogyny.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 29, 2015 10:01 AM
Comment #396883

Private donations are always helpful to organizations, good for you, Speaks. It’s always nice to see a lefty at least attempting to try to help, instead of just waiting for government to do it for them. Kudos.

As far as deciding a women’s health issues for her, you are wrong. The belief in personal responsibility has nothing to do with being angry, or rage, stupidity, dislike or contempt towards women. It could also be the answer to a lot of the pro-abortion sides problems.
If you take involuntary forced funding out of the equation, abortion becomes a non-issue for millions and millions of voters.

Posted by: kctim at July 29, 2015 10:20 AM
Comment #396884

I also send out kudos to you Speaks, the right has been arguing for a long time that PP should be funded with private donations, NOT tax payers dollars. Good for you speaks for being an example of what the right has been arguing for some years now.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 29, 2015 10:43 AM
Comment #396886

Thanks guys, but it’s always been that way for me. I learned very early in life that the best things in life are free but only if you value them as much as you do money. I don’t know where the idea that a person like myself would want other people’s money comes from. Sure I know the current understanding from some people is that there is always someone after their money through taxes but ignore the most egregious of that practice in the MIC funding. I will continue to pay taxes and make donations as I have always considered it my obligation as a citizen, much like my service in the US Navy. And much like my service in the Navy I choose to let our government make the decisions through legislation, execution and judicially. That others want to voice their opinion, is something that this country offers to it’s citizens but you better be careful if you decide you don’t want to participate. This country requires participation but perhaps not enough?

Posted by: Speak4all at July 29, 2015 11:08 AM
Comment #396887

War on Women, Womens rights, Woman’s own body,all that rhetoric and make believe and figment of imagination from the southpaws.

Why can’t you argue for the fact of a child who has a heart beat, can feel pain, and has other developed parts of the body. That child has rights that when a termination has been selected he is now part of being a member of a genocide club. And then when PP wants to sell parts of that child to a business who has purchased those body parts which is part of a grand immoral criminal enterprise.

PP can say or do what they want and get away with murder, literally. The criminal enterprise is set up just like the drug criminal enterprises. They build schools, and contribute to some of those in poverty, but the bottom line is they are selling illicit drugs for a profit. Just like PP is selling body parts to businesses for a profit. To make it simple, a child is murdered, and then cut up into parts and sold to a business for them to sell and make a financial profit. How can anybody with any sanity endorse such a business plan. I know that above statements were made that showed some endorsed such a plan. I suggest a field trip to ISIS territory and possibly learn from them. But oh, ISIS is here. It goes by the name of PP. I am serious what is the difference between ISIS and PP? Yeah the head is cut off instead of the legs or arms, but the principle is the same. Genocide.

Posted by: tom humes at July 29, 2015 11:42 AM
Comment #396888

First, a baby is not a human being until it is born. Until then, it is part of the mother’s body. In terms of the science, the embryonic nervous system is not developed enough to feel pain until the 29th week- near the end of the second trimester. Having said that, abortions in the last trimester should certainly be avoided, since there is a possibility a healthy embryo could survive.

Abortions in the third term are very rare. Doing it that late puts the mother’s life at risk, so unless the situation is dire, it is generally avoided. Sometimes the situation is dire. Sometimes embryos do not develop correctly, and terrible things happen- the brain develops outside the skull, the spinal column develops outside the body, just awful stuff. It is rare, but it happens. Sometimes the choice is between the life of the mother and the continued development of the embryo. That is a bad place to be, but when faced with that moral dilemma, most people choose the life of the mother.

There is no criminal enterprise involved with PP, and no one, not even its most ardent opponents, believe that. Embryonic tissue is used for medical research, including things like a cure for cancer. Tissue donation and organ donation are grisly and unsettling subjects, but they do have a noble purpose.

Posted by: phx8 at July 29, 2015 3:38 PM
Comment #396889

phx8, If the life of the mother is in danger a HOSPITAL would be a better choice then PP don’t you think. Like I keep saying with Obamacare PP is NOT needed.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 29, 2015 3:56 PM
Comment #396890

Dr. phx8
Too many theories you put forth.

No place to start and no place to go.

I will stand on my own facts.

Posted by: tom humes at July 29, 2015 4:34 PM
Comment #396972

Yeah this coming from the movement that thinks “god’s work” involves blowing up clinics and mailing anthrax to Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: TreyL at August 3, 2015 4:22 PM
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