Donald Promises a Wall and the Latino Vote

Byron York in an interview with Donald Trump kept pressing him on the possibility of him running as an independent. Trump resisted York’s seductive advances until finally yielding near the end of the interview. He admitted that he has often been asked the question, but reaffirmed the view that a third party candidate would only ensure 4 years of another Clinton in the White House. And while some analysts insist that the conventional wisdom over the 92 election is wrong, Trump is probably right on this. So how long will the self-described conservative Republican remain battling it out with the rest of the GOP field?

The answer seems to be, as usual, how well he's doing in the polls. But does that make any sense? Is there some magic range of polling numbers at which Trump can't win the nomination but remains a viable independent outside the GOP structure? Would he then be able to garner enough support outside the GOP to be able to still participate in debates next year? All unanswerable questions at this point. And the main question is still how serious he is about this run. If it's all about business, he's perhaps not gone about it in the most profitable way. Cancelled contracts as a result of his comments on migrants has, by some calculations, cost him $50 million. So maybe he really does mean it and really does believe that the GOP has gone adrift and lost touch with its base. Or maybe he just craves the spotlight, any spotlight, and knows he can recoup the lost millions with a new hit or two.

And now, there's always breaking news with Donald, he has stated that he'll win the latino vote all the while being tough on illegals by being a jobs president. And that he'll get Mexico to pay for an impenetrable border wall, as a way of getting them to say thank you for the benefits of NAFTA and billions in transfers. Once again, the Donald has stripped an issue down to the bone and rammed his stubborn head right into the middle of what few sensitive tendons are left. He his gloriously entertaining, but more than that, he has become a voice in this nomination battle that is already forcing the rest to react. Or remain silent and hope he just goes away. Right now, that does not seem likely.

Posted by Keeley at July 9, 2015 7:27 PM
Comments
Comment #396496

Trump is just making a lot of noise to increase his brand. A year from now, he will be long gone from the Presidential race.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 10, 2015 9:59 PM
Comment #396500

“He his gloriously entertaining…”

Clowns can be entertaining too, but they also can be a little creepy.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 11, 2015 12:12 AM
Comment #396504

He not only has Republicans rattled; he seems to be very disturbing to the left as well. Unlike the rest of the pack, he will continue as long as he wants; since he is spending his own money. Perhaps he’s serious about change.

Posted by: Blaine at July 11, 2015 8:06 PM
Comment #396505

“And that he’ll get Mexico to pay for an impenetrable border wall, as a way of getting them to say thank you for the benefits of NAFTA and billions in transfers.”

No hyperbole there.

Trump is like a used car salesmen on steroids.

And with all of the hooha coming out of the right I still haven’t seen one poster that has said he would vote for the man.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 11, 2015 9:32 PM
Comment #396508

50% of all political social media comments are about Trump, and he is speaking to 10’s of thousands. He’s certainly sucking all the air out of the room, including Hillary’s.

Posted by: Blaine at July 12, 2015 9:09 AM
Comment #396509

Blaine, I gotta agree with you on that one. Trump is certainly a good sucker.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 12, 2015 9:14 AM
Comment #396510

Great strategy, guys! Mischaracterize and lie about what the guy says. Insult his inteligence and character. Ignore his message.

It’s like you have your fingers in your ears going LALALALALA!

Never mind he’s worth 9 BILLION dollars! Forget he built an empire that employes thousands and thousands of people.

No, he’s a good sucker.

It’s more like the lapdog leftists that are in a paranoid frenzy about this guy are the suckers.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 12, 2015 3:06 PM
Comment #396512

Willie,

“Mischaracterize and lie about what the guy says. Insult his inteligence and character. Ignore his message.”

Let’s see if we can quote Mr. Trump in his own words;

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,” he said. “They’re sending people that have lots of problems…they’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Those are his exact words, Willie.

He “assumes” some are good people.

Trump’s daughter says that Trump says what he means and means what he says.
Just how, do you figure, those words were “mischaracterized”?

Trump is a carnival freak show barker. If nobody is paying attention to him, he will say something that guarantees people will pay attention to him.

Is that a mischaracterization?

Is there a problem with border security?

Absolutely.

Is Trump’s hyperbole the way the way to solve the problem?

Um… not so much.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 12, 2015 3:31 PM
Comment #396513

Rocky Marks, how do you explain his crowds of thousands. He’s drawing more people than Clinton. He must be saying something that strikes a nerve with supporters; he is certainly striking a nerve with the left. His comments are dominating the conversation, and all we hear from the leftist blogosphere is “he’s a clown” or “this time next year”.

Posted by: Blaine at July 12, 2015 4:45 PM
Comment #396514

Once again, the news is not “what he said”; the news is the high percent of illegal Mexicans in U.S. prisons, the number of crimes being committed by illegal Mexicans, sanctuary cities, and the number of illegal criminals being released in the US.

Posted by: Blaine at July 12, 2015 4:54 PM
Comment #396515

Yep! The left can’t defend their position on illegal immigration. When Trump points the Emporor’s New Cloths, the left ignores their nakedness and starts killing the messenger.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 12, 2015 4:59 PM
Comment #396516

Not all Democratics, just the leftist hacks on the blog sites. They can’t think for themselves; even the liberal media has begun to deal with the issues. Of course, the RINO’s like L. Graham make the same mistake as blog liberals.

Posted by: Blaine at July 12, 2015 5:45 PM
Comment #396517

Willie,

“His comments are dominating the conversation, and all we hear from the leftist blogosphere is “he’s a clown” or “this time next year”.”

My problem isn’t the subject, it was how it was said, and that is what I am being critical about.
The main problem I have with Trump is that he either doesn’t know the difference and IMHO that would make him a poor candidate, or, even worse, he does know the difference and doesn’t care.

“Never mind he’s worth 9 BILLION dollars! Forget he built an empire that employes thousands and thousands of people.”

The fact he is rich is meaningless. I could give a rat’s ass how much money he has. He built his “empire” with other people’s money.
I’m not impressed.

He’s crass, and he’s a gunslinger, and that’s not what America needs right now.

He’s also a celebrity, and once that begins to wear off, we may see him begin to fade.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 12, 2015 6:19 PM
Comment #396519
how do you explain his crowds of thousands

Circus shows draw thousands of attendees all the time. Hillary has her problems, but clowning around isn’t one of them.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 12, 2015 6:43 PM
Comment #396520
Once again, the news is not “what he said”; the news is the high percent of illegal Mexicans in U.S. prisons, the number of crimes being committed by illegal Mexicans, sanctuary cities, and the number of illegal criminals being released in the US.

Will Wilkinson on Trump’s comments

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 12, 2015 7:03 PM
Comment #396521
how do you explain his crowds of thousands.He’s drawing more people than Clinton.

He is paying people to attend Blaine for starters and he sells fear and anger which is a big seller in these times.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2015/0618/You-re-Hired!-Donald-Trump-paid-actors-to-attend-presidential-launch-says-Hollywood-Reporter

the news is not “what he said”;

Sure it is Blaine that is the news. If he hadn’t said it would he be drawing these crowds? You may like it to be about the weird assortment of myths and misinformation he spews but until he has proven his statements true it is all about what he said.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 12, 2015 7:41 PM
Comment #396522

Oh, as a liberal, how I am enjoying this! Please, conservatives, keep it up! Why, I’m shivering in my booties! Please, GOP base, disregard the GOP establishment that keeps begging you to stop talking about immigration. And ignore all those awful independents and liberals that keep calling your candidates clowns!

Clearly, the vast majority of the country simply cannot defend its stand on immigration because it is weak, and you are strong! Suuuurrre. That’s it! That must be it!

AHAHAHAHAHAH!

By all means, keep Trump at first or second in the polls. There’s a crowded field of GOP presidential candidates, and only the loudest, most ridiculous, and richest will be able to make their megaphones drown out the others and attract attention to themselves, no matter how ridiculous. Trump is a master of that- whether it is Birtherism, or absurd statements about Mexicans, walls, the military, or whatever, The Donald will be on it, and be the sheer force of personality characteristic of any carnival barker, he will dominate the weak field.

So keep up the full throated denunciation of illegal immigrants! Pay no attention to the people in the wings trying to hush you, or running a finger across their throat, or grabbing a giant hook in the hopes of pulling the GOP base away from the national stage.

Go for it! Louder, I say, Louder! Let’s hear what you REALLY think!

Posted by: phx8 at July 12, 2015 7:41 PM
Comment #396524

You guys are absolutely beside yourselves, aren’t you?

He built his “empire” with other people’s money. I’m not impressed.

You’re forgetting one very important point, Rocky Marks. He built his “empire” with other people’s money without a gun to their heads. I would think it would be a lot harder to build an “empire” without forcing everyone to pay for it.

Take a look at the “empire” your Democratics, along with your lapdog Republican establishment, is building. I assume you are impressed with that “empire”, yes? You’re empressed with the droning of weddings and restaurants to build your “empire” from the comfort of your armchair, right?

My problem isn’t the subject, it was how it was said,

Aww, pour baby, your feewings aw hrt. Now I understand why you avoid the subject and resort to namecalling.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 12, 2015 11:16 PM
Comment #396526

Hopefully, Trump will get into it with the racist un-American National Council of The Race.

Posted by: kctim at July 13, 2015 10:20 AM
Comment #396527

A wide open race for the Republican nomination is a good thing for the party and the nation. The “R’s” have the big tent with Rhinos, moderates and conservatives all in the race.

Trump is a maverick and perhaps the Dems are jealous that all they have are very liberal “me-too” candidates trying to outdo each other in what they will have government give to some people while taking from others.

If a hardly known senator with just two years of office under his belt and some experience in plunging toilets in the hood can win…well, just about anyone can.

I refuse to believe that the “welfare” vote has reached a point that only extreme liberalism can win the presidency.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 13, 2015 4:39 PM
Comment #396533

Willie,

“Aww, pour baby, your feewings aw hrt. Now I understand why you avoid the subject and resort to namecalling.”

OK Willie, let’s talk about the subject, and I’ll write real slow so that even you can understand me.

The subject of illegals has been kicked down the road by our government, including St Ronnie, for the last forty years. Someone during the Bush administration came up with the brilliant idea of building a fence.
Well then, we saw a few designs, and some of it was built, but we’re talking about a lot of fence, and, as a side note, an awful lot of money. Boatloads of money. 10s of billions of dollars spread across some of the most difficult terrain on the planet.

Meanwhile the government is writing laws that apparently nobody, Republican or Democrat, and especially big business, wants to enforce.

The “impenetrable wall” will never be built, not with Mexican money, not with our money. It’s part of Trump’s hook for the rubes. He’s a really good con salesman.

And if you believe him shame on you.

“You’re forgetting one very important point, Rocky Marks. He built his “empire” with other people’s money without a gun to their heads.”

Yep, and the last three times he went bankrupt he told his investors to go suck eggs.

Oh, and BTW, I still haven’t seen anybody actually say they’d vote for him.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 13, 2015 9:41 PM
Comment #396539

While I look forward to this primary season fast approaching and will watch with avid interest, I have a problem believing that the Republican party will not be diminished in this process. Sure Trump is gaining support, albeit relatively small at 15%, but not unlike Michelle Bachman or Herman Cain did when they first announced. Just as with the Democratic Party, I look for political skills to be used to formulate the Republican Party Platform into a cohesive, understandable (if not in agreement with my views) platform that best describes what they will attempt to do to make our country better. Right now Trump is taking accolades for something he has really not contributed to in any way, being a politician. I know that there is animosity on the right for “politicians” and that you’d like to see a rootin’, tootin’, six gun shootin’ kind of guy, but is that really the best way forward? Can any politician come out of the Republican primary process with the appeal necessary to win a national election? Mitt Romney couldn’t and he was a pretty successful politician for most of his life.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 14, 2015 9:53 AM
Comment #396543

Mitt Romney would have smoked Barack Obama in the 2012 election if he had simply run upon the positions he took in Massachusetts. Too bad the GOP base couldn’t stomach a pro-choice candidate who actually found a way for Bay Staters to enjoy Universal Health Care.

The 2016 election is easily winnable for the GOP. Hillary Clinton is ultimately a weak candidate. The same shortcomings that doomed her 2008 campaign will come back to haunt her. It is just a matter of time. Her current dominance in the polls is mostly due to the weakness of her opponents and says nothing of her strengths. The task for the GOP is to find a candidate who isn’t a lapdog for their base like Trump or Carson. Conservatism is a fundamentally flawed ideology and all the current dysfunction in the Republican Party is a direct consequence of that fact.

Personally, I am worried about Governor Kasich. That guy is a real politician. Contrast his handling public sector unions and the PPACA expansion of Medicaid with his peer in Wisconsin. I really don’t want Kasich to be President, so for now I am glad that he isn’t polling too well.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 14, 2015 11:28 AM
Comment #396545

Mitt Romney was doomed during the primary process and even before his infamous “47%” tirade. He was a good gubernatorial candidate but a lousy presidential candidate. His appeal in a state was accomplished more easily than his appeal on a national stage. The primary process left him looking as if he thought healthcare was best left to the individual state to decide but he knew that wasn’t going to fly very far except for the Republican base and I think he knew that.

HRC may appear weak to some of the electorate but she is definitely finding strength by gender identification. She has yet to display the political scrum to bring together the disparate primary opponents necessary to win the nomination but it is very early in the process and if she can accomplish that she will be a more attractive candidate at least to me.

I just can’t seem to get to worried about any one Republican candidate just yet, but as I said it is very early in the process and there is much to occur in the future that will help me make my decision. Trump should be out of the picture by the end of this year but maybe not, stranger things have happened in the politics of this nation.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 14, 2015 12:09 PM
Comment #396548

Trump may be out even sooner than that:

FBI come help me quick, I got smart with someone way out of my league, help me please!

We may see a toned down Donald, we can only hope.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 14, 2015 12:36 PM
Comment #396566
Mitt Romney was doomed during the primary process

Precisely. If Romney could have been anointed GOP nominee in a smoke-filled back room at the GOP national convention he would have walloped Obama. His record in Massachusetts is commendable and inspirational. As mentioned, it is too bad the GOP base cannot stomach a governor who brings success to his state by thinking outside of the box instead of towing the ideological line.

In Massachusetts, Mitt was an authentic character. You could tell he personally stood for what he said. He only became robotic after enter the GOP primary at the bequest of handlers who told him he needed to be more conservative. Throughout his campaigns, you could tell that despite the accolades he regularly gave to conservative philosophy, he secretly believed it all to be claptrap. Too bad he sacrificed his honor to win the GOP primary.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 15, 2015 12:49 PM
Comment #396645

BTW, a great example of how different people are treated based on party biases…

“I doubt I could cross the line and vote Republican. I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don’t buy the war hero thing. Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I’m concerned he sat out the war.”

Al Franken in 2000.

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