Trump Goes Too Far but Should Take a Bow

The Trump bomb on illegal immigration could also be characterized, unfortunately, as a flare: illuminating voter anger over the border and over what GOP voters perceive as a lack of law enforcement. On the border and inside the borders in terms of the deportation/amnesty divide. Trump’s comments were blunt and even racist, but they can also be seen as a far more direct statement of what many GOP candidates have already proclaimed: the border must be enforced and the lack of enforcement has consequences within America. Ted Cruz did not denounce Trump, unlike many other GOP candidates like Bush and Rubio. And as well, what is essentially a problem between Mexico and the USA becomes a pan-Hispanic issue with all Latinos rallying to denounce the Trump and his bombast.

And not just a problem between Mexico and the USA, but a problem between elites in both countries and the rest of the population. Ruben Navarrette Jr, writing in the Daily Beast, touches a sensitive nerve on both sides of the border when he states:

The elites are so busy feeling superior to most of their countrymen that few of them take the time to think about how their country benefits from those who migrate to the north. In fact, that's one thing that Americans and Mexicans (elites) have in common: Both groups are too proud to admit how dependent they are on Mexican migrants who work in the United States, and acknowledge how much those migrants contribute.

Now one can disagree strongly with those parts of Navarrette's statement that somehow see illegal Mexican migration as a broad benefit. Because that benefit he outlines is very narrow: it goes into the profits of those industries that rely heavily on illegals like fast food franchises and hotels. And it goes more broadly south as billions and billions of dollars are transferred back south across the border. Western Union might not employ a lot of illegals but certainly is a huge beneficiary.

So Mexico's elites solve their unemployment problems at home and receive transfers from the north that act like a subsidy for lower-income family members who remain in Mexico. And business in America gets low-cost labor to do some of it's work, whether dirty or not. There have been few GOP candidates who have directly addressed this part of the illegal immigration issue. Many focus on the border itself - which is fine - but leave out the incentives to migrate north that come from American business. They will now have to face that aspect of migration whether they wanted to or not. Trump, you may have gone a little too far, but more than a few voters would like you to take a bow.

Posted by Keeley at July 6, 2015 8:18 PM
Comments
Comment #396383

Trump’s comments may have been blunt, but they were not racist. The PC crowd in today’s world calls everything racist. He did not speak of Mexicans who were legal, or US citizens, he spoke of illegals. Illegals are automatically breaking the law when they cross the border illegally. So when he calls illegals criminals, he is speaking the truth. The elites and the PC correct crowd can’t understand this basic truth. If a white, American elitist crossed the border into Mexico and was caught by Mexican authorities, what would happen to them and what would they be considered? It has happened many times. They are thrown in prison with no rights and they are called illegal trespassing criminals. Establishment Republicans have not problem with illegals because it is cheap labor; the Democrats have no problem with them because they refill the ranks of ignorant people who will vote straight Democrat. Trump may be blunt or even crude, but he is saying what flyover America is thinking; he resonates with a vast amount of Americans. He is like no other political candidate, he does not need outside money, therefore he is not beholding to anyone. He is forcing the candidates to deal with issues that the average American wants fixed. JOMO

Posted by: Blaine at July 7, 2015 2:06 PM
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He is forcing the candidates to deal with issues that the average American wants fixed. JOMO
Posted by: Blaine at July 7, 2015 2:06 PM

I agree Blaine, and that’s a good thing.

Being crass, while running for and while in office, is not a purview belonging only to Trump. I prefer crass to lying.

We do need an honest and open debate among our citizens regarding our border and those illegally crossing it.

Regardless of the reasons behind why some support open borders, it remains the duty of our national government to disallow those who wish to enter and remain illegally.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 7, 2015 3:01 PM
Comment #396388

Trump is not receiving flak for saying these immigrants are criminals. It is because Trump said these immigrants were nearly all rapists. The truth is that the vast majority are otherwise law-abiding people who are just trying to do the best they can do to give their family a comfortable life.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 7, 2015 3:22 PM
Comment #396390

Warren, we know why they come. That is not the issue to be resolved.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 7, 2015 3:28 PM
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Trump is not receiving flak for saying these immigrants are criminals. It is because Trump said these immigrants were nearly all rapists. The truth is that the vast majority are otherwise law-abiding people who are just trying to do the best they can do to give their family a comfortable life. Posted by: Warren Porter at July 7, 2015 3:22 PM

Actually, that’s not true. Hispanic leaders (and to that we might add their supporters) are angry that Donald Trump said illegal aliens are criminals. Which would qualify as an oxymoron; illegal aliens are criminals. All of them. Breaking into the US illegally is a crime.

The problem with the left is that they always look through the eyes of emotion and not logic. Logic dictates the obeying of laws. A society in which laws are broken, is a society on the verge of collapse. These people do not qualify as law-abiding citizens because they are law violators. People all over the world are “just trying to do the best they can do to give their family a comfortable life.” This response is based on emotion and fairness. Legal American citizens and legal foreigners are trying to do the same thing, legally; but illegal aliens are stealing from those who have the right to be here.

Regarding “nearly all rapist”; we have no idea what these people are doing. If they would break the law in one point, what is to say they wouldn’t break other laws. We certainly know that the immigration services cannot tell us the specs on illegals. They don’t even know how many and where they are. Furthermore, these people come from a society where corruption is practiced every day. From police to government officials; Mexico can be classified as one of the most corrupt counties in the world. These people are a product of their environment and they arrive in our country with the same morals.

Posted by: Blaine at July 7, 2015 5:00 PM
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Well said Blaine.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 7, 2015 5:09 PM
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Trump called immigrants rapists, not criminals. Stop trying to slither away from what he said.

These people do not qualify as law-abiding citizens because they are law violators

Guess what? I am a law violator too! I got a speeding ticket 7 years ago. I routinely jaywalk among other criminal misdeeds. Does that make me a rapist? No!

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 7, 2015 5:28 PM
Comment #396405
Trump called immigrants rapists, not criminals. Stop trying to slither away from what he said…

Guess what? I am a law violator too! I got a speeding ticket 7 years ago. I routinely jaywalk among other criminal misdeeds. Does that make me a rapist? No!
Posted by: Warren Porter at July 7, 2015 5:28 PM

This is what Trump said:

What did Donald Trump say about immigration and the US / Mexico border that is inacurate?

Not that which is morally subjective or debatable and not that with which you personally disagree.

He said:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

While morally disagreeable, what therein is not accurate?

•Are some immigrants bringing drugs, rapists, and crime? Yes, “some.” He didn’t say “all” but rather in saying some are good people, some are criminal. Is that not true?

•”When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best.” is that not true of any country?? Why would any country encourage, compensate, or even force their best to leave?? Of course they’re not sending their best.

So I’m curious, while socially unaccepted, perhaps frustratingly accurate, or morally or ethically disappointing of society, how is what he is say not accurate.

You are beating a straw man Mr. Porter. Trump said some illegals are rapist, and some are. You completely miss the point when you compare “speeding tickets” and “jay walking” to murder and rape.

A good example is the death of young lady in SF by an illegal ho had been deported many times. But as I said in an earlier post; we have an example of the left’s continued lack of obeying the law. Now that the girl has been murdered, we have everyone from the Mayor of SF to the Obama administration backtracking on sanctuary cities. Point is; laws were ignored.

My point about Trump is that he has set the conversation and the conversation is what flyover America is talking about.

Posted by: Blaine at July 7, 2015 6:53 PM
Comment #396406

Frankly, sanctuary cities that don’t cooperate with federal authorities on immigration law should no longer receive federal dollars related to immigrants.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 7, 2015 7:02 PM
Comment #396407

That’s exactly the point; when the law is ignored, chaos ensues. Mexico is a land of chaos; and those that come here illegally bring chaos with them. The left and the establishment Republicans are willing to place the country in jeopardy by ignoring current laws.

Posted by: Blaine at July 7, 2015 7:16 PM
Comment #396408

Do you see how easy it is for people to lie about what others say just to make a political point?

The left knows what he said. The left has to reinterpret for their numbed masses so they won’t listen to what he actually said. Then, they throw in the racist charge as icing on the knee-jerk response cake baked specifically to kill the messenger.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 7, 2015 8:31 PM
Comment #396413

Blaine,

The idea that this clear speaker only meant that “some” of the Mexican immigrants are criminals and rapists is ludicrous.

Trump didn’t say “some” are criminals and rapists. The “some” in his statement was explicitly reserved for good people. The obvious implication is the vast majority of illegal immigrants are criminals and rapists.

The question then is whether he was inaccurate in characterizing the majority of illegal immigrants from Mexico as criminals and rapists.

Posted by: Rich at July 7, 2015 9:54 PM
Comment #396416

Good point Weary, as we see by the next post; Rich continues the misinformation. The majority of those who vote Democrat are very ignorant. Rush Limbaugh refers to them as the “low information crowd”. They are low income, who depend upon government handouts, which the left is happy to provide. They are the pseudo-intelligent who have had their heads filled with mush by socialist professors.

The question then is whether he was inaccurate in characterizing the majority of illegal immigrants from Mexico as criminals and rapists.

Posted by: Rich at July 7, 2015 9:54 PM

The question of criminality has already been settled. When they entered the country illegally, they became criminals. Further, you make the same mistake as most liberals; you use the term “Mexican immigrants are criminals and rapists”. They are not Mexican immigrants and that is not what Trump called them; they are illegal aliens. Trump never spoke of Mexican immigrants.

But let me ask this question; if Trump is so evil, why would the left even get into the conversation? According to the left, Trump will be the demise of the Republican Party; so why not sit back and let it happen? Unless it is possible that a lot of American people have concerns about the influx of illegals and the crime they commit.

There is one thing that you can always depend on; the leftist will always do the bidding of the Democrat Party.

Posted by: Blaine at July 7, 2015 11:05 PM
Comment #396420

Immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born Americans

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 8, 2015 12:35 AM
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When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best

This is patently false. These people come to the US of their own volition; they aren’t being sent here.

They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
Trump reserves the qualification “some” for only his final claim. This tells me he is using the word “they” generically. That is, that *most* immigrants from Mexico are people with problems that are raping and trafficking drugs.
Trump said some illegals are rapist, and some are.
Trumps never said some. He simply said “They are rapists”. Again, the only interpretation of this sentence is that Trump claims that nearly all Mexican immigrants are rapists. This is patently untrue.

Compare these two sentences, which sounds more believable to you?
“My friends are great people! They are female.”
“My friends are great people! They are American.”
The former sentence doesn’t sound right because it conjures the idea that I have few if any male friends. The second sentence is more believable. It makes sense that someone who has lived exclusively in the US has few friends who aren’t American.

You completely miss the point when you compare “speeding tickets” and “jay walking” to murder and rape.
No, it is you who has missed the point. I compared my misdemeanors with undocumented immigration, which is also a misdemeanor offense. Posted by: Warren Porter at July 8, 2015 12:59 AM
Comment #396423

Trump never spoke of Mexican immigrants? Who do you think he was talking about? “When Mexico sends its people,…”

Trump was not talking about criminality related simply to illegal entry. He was talking about bringing drugs and other criminal activity including rape.

How about “You have illegal immigrants pouring through the country,” the ultra-wealthy businessman and Republican presidential candidate said on Fox Business Network July 1. “They’re incarcerated. Many of them are in jails. You have hundreds of thousands of people going to state and federal penitentiaries. That just came out in a Homeland Security Report.” Is that statement true? PolitiFact rated it mostly false and unsupported by the data. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/06/donald-trump/trump-immigration-claim-has-no-data-back-it/

Posted by: Rich at July 8, 2015 1:03 AM
Comment #396425
•Are some immigrants bringing drugs, rapists, and crime? Yes, “some.” He didn’t say “all” but rather in saying some are good people, some are criminal. Is that not true?

What! Jesus Blaine didn’t you just post this as the words out of the horses mouth”

“He said:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.””

So if this is what he said can you show me the word “some” before the words they’re rapists, no it is because he assumes “some”are good people.

Trump picks on one nation, Mexico, when illegals come from many other nations. But he singles out Mexico for the blame just like Hitler did the jews. Some will think this harsh but I’m not comparing Trump to Hitler, right because I said “some” after the fact, right.

Lets face it guys this tripe just proves Trump is yet another “true conservative” who likes to blame the illegals coming here hunting for jobs instead of those that hire the illegals. His harsh and unjustified blathering on Mexico and illegal immigration only hides the real issue and of course garners attention upon him self from the “if it bleeds it leads” media. You can hide behind the “The PC crowd in today’s world calls everything racist” line of crap but the real story here is the inability of this GOP presidential contender to identify the real problem and the means to solve it.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 8, 2015 2:03 AM
Comment #396429

Mr. Porter, your link to immigrant crime statistics is completely flawed. You are using the opinion data of a socialist professor at the Department of Sociology, from the University of Mass, Boston. I am certainly not willing to pay to read the stats of a known socialist with a political agenda. This link is a waste and proves nothing. Her comments certainly go against the data that I provided.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/07/illegal-immigrants-accounted-for-nearly-37-percent-of-federal-sentences-in-fy-2014/

This is patently false. These people come to the US of their own volition; they aren’t being sent here.


On Monday, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto and Guatemalan president Otto Perez Molina held a joint press conference in Playas de Catazaja, Mexico, to officially announce an agreement to make it easier for those making the illegal journey to the United States from Central America, to cross into Mexico.

The Southern Border Program to Improve Passage, will provide for more border checkpoints along Mexico’s border with Guatemala, and offer more protection and even emergency medical care to those making their way north. The illegal aliens will receive a so-called Regional Visitor’s Card, according to El Universal.

Officially, the program will grant the cards to only illegal aliens from Guatemala and Belize, allowing them to remain in Mexico’s southern states for 72 hours (more than enough time to reach the U.S./Mexican border by train). While, those two countries share a border with Mexico, the program will undoubtedly benefit anyone who makes it to the border, which would explain why our Border Patrol stations are currently overflowing with illegal aliens from El Salvador and Honduras as well.

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/mexico-guatemala-cut-deal-to-allow-more-illegal-immigrants-to-flood-into-us

The largest source of foreign income for the Mexican government is US dollars being sent via Western Union. There are plenty of facts on this. So what you are trying to tell me is, the Mexican government does not encourage their people to cross the border? Logically, this is false. Why would the Mexican government deny taxable income to their citizens who are living in abject poverty? The wealth redistribution policies of the left are giving American tax dollars to illegal liens , who in turn are sending them to Mexico, and after the Mexican government taxes this income, a minute part reaches the relatives of the illegals.

No, it is you who has missed the point. I compared my misdemeanors with undocumented immigration, which is also a misdemeanor offense. Posted by: Warren Porter at July 8, 2015 12:59 AM

Alright Mr. Porter; let’s say you “jay walk” and then let’s say you illegally walk across the border of Mexico or Canada and get caught; which would get you more jail time? The high incidents of crime among illegals is the result of them entering the county. What worth do you place on the rape of an American citizen, or what if it was your daughter who had been shot and died in your arms, by an illegal Mexican, who had been deported many times and by his own admission repeatedly came back to SF because it was a sanctuary city. There are literally thousands of crimes being committed by illegals against Americans, and yet the left has no problems with these stats.

The comments of “Rich” and “j2t2” are not worth commenting on at this time, I have work to do.

Posted by: Blaine at July 8, 2015 10:20 AM
Comment #396430
your link to immigrant crime statistics is completely flawed. You are using the opinion data of a socialist professor at the Department of Sociology, from the University of Mass, Boston. I am certainly not willing to pay to read the stats of a known socialist with a political agenda.

Are you kidding us Blaine? Then in your next paragraph you link to Breitbart!! How do you expect to be taken seriously Blaine when you tell us you didn’t read the study yet you have determined the study to be “completely flawed”! Yet when we go to your source Breitbart, despite knowing their infamous disregard for the truth, I do not find a link to the information they are quoting. Validate the information Blaine, prove what Breitbart reports is true.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 8, 2015 11:26 AM
Comment #396431

I need to submit a new paper to the American Meteorological Society. I think I have uncovered the truth behind tornadogenesis. Blaine keeps spinning faster and faster until his brain turns into mush, or perhaps it already is mush, which is why he spins so easily.

I am certainly not willing to pay to read the stats of a known socialist with a political agenda. This link is a waste and proves nothing. Her comments certainly go against the data that I provided.
Academics have something that Andrew Brietbart’s lemmings never will have, which is integrity. Chew on this. Regarding USSC data, I point you here. In particular, pay attention to the linked CRS report which found that non-citizens make up a far smaller percentage state prison and jail populations than their percentage of the overall population. What is really telling is that the USSC data excludes state sentencing data even though state inmates make up 90 percent of the nation’s incarcerated population. Face the music, Trump is a liar. You are a liar.

Regarding the Southern Border Program to Improve Passage:
This is yet another example of your serpentine persuasion, slithering away from the issue at hand. Trump was talking about immigrants from Mexico, not Central America. Even then, the people impacted by this program, leave their native countries by their own volition. They are not being “sent”, which implies they are expelled like the people in the Mariel boatlift were.

The largest source of foreign income for the Mexican government is US dollars being sent via Western Union. There are plenty of facts on this. So what you are trying to tell me is, the Mexican government does not encourage their people to cross the border? Logically, this is false. Why would the Mexican government deny taxable income to their citizens who are living in abject poverty? The wealth redistribution policies of the left are giving American tax dollars to illegal liens , who in turn are sending them to Mexico, and after the Mexican government taxes this income, a minute part reaches the relatives of the illegals.
Your speculation is sound, but the all-important facts are quite absent. You are seeking to prove that “Mexico does not send its best”, which means Mexico is actively transporting its worst citizens and expelling them to the US. So far, you have done nothing to demonstrate this.
Alright Mr. Porter; let’s say you “jay walk” and then let’s say you illegally walk across the border of Mexico or Canada and get caught; which would get you more jail time?
We are talking American Law, not Mexican Law and not Canadian Law. When an immigrant is caught in the United States without authorization, the consequence is deportation, not incarceration. When I am caught jay walking or speeding, I am fined, but not incarcerated. Why is no one facing jail time? Because these are all misdemeanor offenses. To conflate misdemeanor crimes such as illegal immigration with felonious crimes such as rape or murder as Mr. Trump has done is incredibly dishonest Posted by: Warren Porter at July 8, 2015 11:37 AM
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Are you guys really saying that there is not selective enforcement of border security by Mexican authorities?

And I’m not big on immigration law, but has this changed?

- For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a subsequent offense, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275.)

Posted by: kctim at July 8, 2015 12:08 PM
Comment #396434

kctim,
Rarely are people incarcerated merely for an improper entry offense. Generally, the consequences is deportation. As I said before, this is a misdemeanor offense.

In addition, it is only a civil offense to be in the country illegally. Nearly 40% of undocumented immigrants came here without crossing the border improperly (typically they come here on a legal visa, but subsequently overstay or violate the visa). Thus it is false to call these people criminals either.

Are you guys really saying that there is not selective enforcement of border security by Mexican authorities?
That’s not what Trump said. Trumps said Mexico was sending people here. This implies that the Mexican government is rounding people up and forcing them to emigrate. This is not what is happening. Posted by: Warren Porter at July 8, 2015 12:26 PM
Comment #396435

No, it means the Mexican government is encouraging their poor masses to cross the border. It’s people they don’t have to deal with, and the millions sent to Mexico are not only taxable, but provides money to the remaining poor. This is not “speculation “, it’s facts. Brietbart’s publications can be fact checked, a socialist professor’s is simply opinion. But, this doesn’t change my question, which none of you have attempted to answer; if Trump is hurting the Republican Party, why are you attacking him?’

Posted by: Blaine at July 8, 2015 12:47 PM
Comment #396436

The left will always reveal who they fear most. It is the nature of the beast.

Posted by: Blaine at July 8, 2015 12:50 PM
Comment #396438

Sorry Blaine, but I prefer my pretzels with salt. Stop twisting Trumps words around in order to fit a narrative that you prefer.

This is not “speculation “, it’s facts.

Until you can cite a decree from the Mexican Government ordering its citizens to emigrate to the US you will remain in the speculative world, not the factual one.

Brietbart’s publications can be fact checked
No they cannot. They claim to get numbers from the US Sentencing Commission, but offer no link or other method to verify the claim.
a socialist professor’s is simply opinion.
A peer-reviewed academic journal is by definition “fact-checked”. You throw the word “opinion” around, but you are wrong. In fact, it is Brietbart’s site that is a conservative opinion site.

This isn’t to say that academia is perfect. If you want a candid nuanced discussion of the problems of academia, I can happily provide it. However, your attitude thus far demonstrates that candor and nuance are not in your dictionary.

if Trump is hurting the Republican Party, why are you attacking him
I never speculated whether or not Trump is helping or hurting the GOP. All I know is that he is a liar who is only out to manipulate fools like you. It is quite entertaining to disrupt your illusions with reality. Posted by: Warren Porter at July 8, 2015 1:10 PM
Comment #396439

So, a misdemeanor offense that, if caught, can result in deportation, a criminal penalty or imprisonment. Ok.

As far as Trump, couldn’t the Mexican governments passive enforcement of border security be considered as it encouraging illegal immigration into the US? Why ‘round people up’ when they will do it on their own?

And let’s be honest here, the Mexican government doesn’t care if the unsuccessful and criminals leave, it only cares that the successful stay.

Posted by: kctim at July 8, 2015 1:10 PM
Comment #396440

Trump’s words were meant to get him in the discussion and it seems that’s exactly what has happened. He’s not running for President to solve yours or my problems he’s running for President to serve his own ego. The man mastered self promotion a long time; his last name is probably a registered trademark.

Why is this candidacy any different than Jessie Jackson’s 1988 bid or Rev. Al’s 2004 campaign?

Posted by: George in SC at July 8, 2015 1:20 PM
Comment #396443

Trump is a carnival barker who feeds on attention, and the more outrageous and racist statements he makes, the more the public enables him by paying him the attention he craves.

And make no mistake, his statement about Mexican illegal immigrants was blatantly racist. The failure of conservatives and presidential candidates to strongly condemn it just underscores what so many have been saying for so long, and we see it in the way Hispanics vote for president.

Trump appeals to the basest nativism, and that has a big following among the far right. It’s an ugly thing. It represents the dark side of the American psyche, and the worst part might be in the inability of conservatives to recognize this.

Posted by: phx8 at July 8, 2015 1:54 PM
Comment #396444

They’re done convincing themselves of what they think Trump said. Now they’re in full fledged kill the messenger mode.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 8, 2015 2:16 PM
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As far as Trump, couldn’t the Mexican governments passive enforcement of border security be considered as it encouraging illegal immigration into the US? Why ‘round people up’ when they will do it on their own?

The US does nothing to prevent its citizens from emigrating to Canada. Is the US “sending” people to Canada?

Look, I understand the point you are trying to make. The Mexican government benefits when its citizens emigrate to the US and remit money back home. I totally get that this gives the Mexican government a huge incentive to encourage emigration. This is why I characterized Blaine’s earlier comment as “sound speculation”. It is sound and I agree with the conclusion that the Mexican government is doing little to discourage people from coming to this country. Nevertheless, it is still speculative because we don’t have any hard evidence that the Mexican government is actually compelling anyone to leave. And regardless, Trump said “sending”, not “encouraging to leave”. Those are different words with different meanings. “Sending” implies these people would not be migrating if it weren’t for the Mexican government’s intervention, but this is not the case.

Why ‘round people up’ when they will do it on their own?
Certainly with so many people interested in coming here on their own, there is little incentive for Mexico to “send” anyone here.
Why is this candidacy any different than Jessie Jackson’s 1988 bid or Rev. Al’s 2004 campaign?
Because blowhards like Blaine actually believe Trump’s BS. Posted by: Warren Porter at July 8, 2015 2:20 PM
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With a few simple statements about illegal immigration Trump has managed to focus the attention of Americans to that pressing issue. With a shooting death in a sanctuary city many dems are calling for and end to them.

MY, my…how fast things change.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 8, 2015 2:36 PM
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With a few simple statements about illegal immigration Trump has managed to focus the attention of xenophobic Americans to that pressing issue. Many democrats have chosen to ignore his rant but it is a little difficult for them to ignore the enormity of his ego. RF, FIFY.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 8, 2015 2:51 PM
Comment #396459
A peer-reviewed academic journal is by definition “fact-checked”.

And who are the peers of a socialist professor?

No they cannot. They claim to get numbers from the US Sentencing Commission, but offer no link or other method to verify the claim.

Ah, and now you want us to believe you can’t use Google. How hard is it to check facts?

I never speculated whether or not Trump is helping or hurting the GOP. All I know is that he is a liar who is only out to manipulate fools like you. It is quite entertaining to disrupt your illusions with reality. Posted by: Warren Porter at July 8, 2015 1:10 PM

First, I have not tried to insult you; so why would you resort to calling me a fool. When the left loses control the conversation, they result in name calling. Great!!!

Secondly, the national conversation has moved beyond “whether Trump is a liar or not”; the conversation has now moved to the “topics” of Trump’s conversation. Trump has changed the entire debate on immigration. The story today is about sanctuary cities. California Senator Dianne Feinstein is now speaking out against sanctuary cities. People are now demanding these cities. The question of illegal crime is not the topic. “Illegal Immigrants Account For Nearly 37% of Federal Sentences in Fiscal Year 2014.” From my link above. We are in the stages of the blame game; the Feds blame the SF police, the police blame ICE, the Mayor blames the police and the Feds, Feinstein blames the cities, and lastly, Obama blames the Republicans. The point is; you are a day late and a dollar short; the conversation has moved from Trump is a liar to Democrats CYA when it comes to illegal crime.

And make no mistake, his statement about Mexican illegal immigrants was blatantly racist.

This comment loses all authority because everything is racists to the left. It has become a “chicken little” moment for the left.

Because blowhards like Blaine actually believe Trump’s BS. Posted by: Warren Porter at July 8, 2015 2:20 PM

I have never said I believe Trump. I have simply argued that his comments hold weight. But once again, you result to name calling. Shame… Any Democrat Politician who is now arguing against sanctuary cities and the release of illegals who have committed crimes; are answering question brought up by Trump.

With a few simple statements about illegal immigration Trump has managed to focus the attention of xenophobic Americans to that pressing issue. Many democrats have chosen to ignore his rant but it is a little difficult for them to ignore the enormity of his ego. RF, FIFY. Posted by: Speak4all at July 8, 2015 2:51 PM

If there is a phobia, it is from the left. To the left, anyone who does not agree with them is a xenophobe, homophobe, or a phobophobe. It is not Trump’s ego that concerns the left; it is his topics that has caused Americans to ask questions. The left loves to defend outrageous college professors who say outrageous things; as causing young heads of mush to think, to reason. Liberal bastions of higher learning defend these same professors by defending their right to cause critical thought. When Mr. Trump made claims, outrageous or not, the left tries to shut down anything he says. Sorry, but that’s not how free speech works.

Zandria Robinson, was a former professor on the faculty at the University of Memphis in Memphis, Tenn. She made controversial and racist statements against whites. Her comments included:

Robinson’s rancorous statements on Twitter brought her substantial notoriety earlier this week. In addition to her claims that “whiteness” “is” “terror” and that the Confederate flag is “the ultimate symbol of heteropatriarchal capitalism,” Robinson also declared that “white folks” believe politeness provides immunity from her biting analysis of power structures based on race.

She is no longer at Memphis; she is now at Rhodes College. Rhodes said of her controversial comments:

“Dr. Robinson was hired for a faculty position in the Rhodes Anthropology & Sociology Department that calls for expertise in particular areas, specifically gender studies and social movements.” the statement effusively claimed. “Her expertise in these areas, her extensive understanding of the complex problems of race in American society, her deep roots in the Memphis area, and many years of successful teaching experience, made her an attractive candidate for the position.”

The top brass at Rhodes also said students appreciated Robinson’s “ability to challenge them to think about society with fresh eyes” during a 2008-2009 stint at Rhodes.

Rhodes administrators further praised their school “as a place where intellectual engagement and the exchange of ideas are among our highest priorities.”

http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/02/whiteness-is-terror-professor-lands-at-fancypants-college-thats-77-percent-white/#ixzz3fLGnqxCC

So once again, we have the double standards from the left. It’s perfectly alright for a racist black female professor to make blatantly racist comments about ALL white people. And it’s even said that her comments create critical thought. But when it’s a Republican or conservative who makes outrageous statements, there can be no room for critical thought. Does anyone else see the double standard?


Posted by: Blaine at July 8, 2015 6:47 PM
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To me there is no standard that the left uses. It is toilet water and there is no standard for the use of toilet water.

In the above comments from those softpaws there is a continuation of distortions and twists from the twits. You guys cannot be serious about your argument, it it can be called that instead of bs. It is typical of the usual stuff from southpaws. If the left could talk straight instead of from the corners of their mouth maybe something might sound interesting, but all that shakin and bakin just don’t produce a good cake from the southpaws oven.

Anybody that endorses a “sanctuary city” should have their noddules examined.

Posted by: tom humes at July 8, 2015 11:41 PM
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This is not “speculation “, it’s facts. Brietbart’s publications can be fact checked, a socialist professor’s is simply opinion. But, this doesn’t change my question, which none of you have attempted to answer; if Trump is hurting the Republican Party, why are you attacking him?’

Ahhh Blaine is this yet another attempt at being comical on your part? Are you really having such a hard time with basic critical thinking that you really believe this tripe you spout? Tell you what fact check Breitbarts claims and prove us wrong on this point, it is that simple. By fact checking I don’t mean going to another conservative propaganda outlet and getting a quote from someone using Breitbarts claim as fact either. Put up or shut up it is that simple.

So is your logic based upon the professor being a “socialist” in your mind that makes it an opinion, and if it were a conservative professor would it then become fact, this peer reviewed study which we all know isn’t in the same league as a Breitbart…… oh crap…. seriously Blaine you must be attempting humor.

Blaine if we didn’t throw a fit about Trumps misinformation the media would move on, we like him in the spotlight and hope he does move on to take the nomination or at the least open his mouth during the debates. Although it would be nice to have a sane moderate repub nominated that isn’t intent on Greecing our nation though. Maybe one will actually announce soon.

The problem with the mythical and misguided nonsense coming from the Donald is guys like you eat it up Blaine, it keep us from actually solving problems because you all then feed the BS to your Tea Party caucus and they believe it and when they cant identify the problem how do you expect them to be part of the solution?

Posted by: j2t2 at July 9, 2015 9:13 AM
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Trump and the rest of the conservatives that support his nonsense will be dealt with but it won’t be by the “left”. They are attacking something that predates our constitution, the declaration of independence and even the war of independence with Great Britain. It is the institution of the immigrant population that has built our country. As a second generation US citizen that has been able to promote that bounty into now a fourth generation of US citizens I have to laugh at their inability to grasp the obvious. This country was built on immigration and not xenophobia. Xenophobia has been around a very long time and has never, ever succeeded in turning immigrants against one another. We descendants of immigrants see it for what it is, a ploy to gain people’s support of animosity for something that our ancestors once were, immigrants.

Of course some of us, like Trump and his supporters don’t seem to be able to grasp what they are dealing with and just use rhetoric and fear mongering to promote their xenophobic desires for power over people. Hasn’t ever worked before and won’t work now, not now, not ever.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 9, 2015 9:24 AM
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j2t2, regarding fact checking and proper links to support an argument; I simply refer you to my answer to you in the blue column. Nothing more needs to be said.

Regarding Trump; as I told Mr. Porter, the conversation has now moved beyond whether Trump lied or not, and has moved to the content of his claims, i.e. sanctuary cities, the illegal crime wave, and the number of illegals in prison for crimes in America. You really need to get with the program. I really think the left is scared to death of the subject matter being brought up in the news, thanks to Trump’s comments.

Regarding your comment, “The problem with the mythical and misguided nonsense coming from the Donald is guys like you eat it up Blaine”; perhaps you could offer my quote, where I said “I was eating up what Trump said”? In your words, “Put up or shut up it is that simple”.

Ahh, once again, a “phobia” has entered the conversation. Mr. Speaks speaks of the phobias gripping America. But; are we talking of the phobias gripping the liberal side, or are we talking of the make believe phobias the left always throws at conservatives. Tell me Mr. Speaks, was the anti-white rant of Professor Zandria Robinson, at Memphis University, the result of a phobia? Were the anti-white rants of the now infamous Rev. Wright (Obama’s pastor for 20 years, although Obama NEVER listened to his sermons), were they the result of a phobia?

As I told your fellow leftist mouthpiece, the conversation has moved beyond comments to the subject of the comments. You might want to listen to Rush Limbaugh or read Breitbart and get with the program. Nobody cares about yesterdays news.

Posted by: Blaine at July 9, 2015 10:58 AM
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News flash Blaine. Nobody with any common sense wants to listen to the minister of the altar of strange sexual desires or visit websites that are an amalgamation of ridiculous and outlandish claims that cannot be substantiated. I know a “dittohead” like yourself is unable to understand that but rest assured you will not be convincing anyone here to pay attention to your nonsense except for the few that already participate in your denigration of “leftist mouthpieces”. In your very short time here you have been able to damage your credibility and ability to be taken seriously.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 9, 2015 11:34 AM
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j2t2, regarding fact checking and proper links to support an argument; I simply refer you to my answer to you in the blue column. Nothing more needs to be said.

Blaine you seem incapable of anything but repeating what you are told to repeat. That is not debating nor is it a discussion, my friend. I mean you have cut and run each time your rant has been called out for the propaganda that it is. You say we have moved on but you still haven’t provided any fact checking on Breitbart so why would we think you have anything factual to provide on the red herring you want to throw into the mix.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 9, 2015 2:37 PM
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The GOP can’t stop Trump. He’s sucking all of the oxygen out of the air. He knows show biz, and this charismatic carnival barker is single-handedly killing a half-dozen candidacies as well as any chances the GOP might have had in 2016. The other candidates are receiving attention only insofar as they are being asked what they think of Donald Trump. The Donald cannot stay on message. He is all over the place. Well, someone said ‘politics is show business for ugly people.’ Now Trump is bringing the ugly nativist side of conservatism into the light of day, and the base loves it, and no one can stop him for stoking the flames of bigotry.

Jeb Bush-Bush continues his feckless campaign. He does not have a strong enough personality to counter Trump. With the possible exception of Christie, none of the candidates do.

Bush-Bush made another unforced error. It was pretty funny and pretty stupid. He claimed Americans needed to work longer hours. Something about part-time jobs and the labor force participation rate. Limbaugh tried to defend him. Rush counts on his audience not knowing anything about the participation rate.

But plenty of other people do know, and anyone with even a casual knowledge of such economic stats knows that Americans already work more hours than other industrialized countries, are more productive, yet receive less time-off. Bush-Bush is the best the GOP can do, and know Trump is first place in the polls. Incredible.

Posted by: phx8 at July 9, 2015 5:26 PM
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Entering Oregon…leave brain at the border.

I wonder how taxpayers across the nation who pay for Medicaid feel about this. I wonder how the Left feels about this.

Oregon allowing 15-year-olds to get state-subsidized gender-change operations

“The list of things 15-year-olds are not legally allowed to do in Oregon is long: Drive, smoke, donate blood, get a tattoo — even go to a tanning bed.

But, under a first-in-the-nation policy quietly enacted in January that many parents are only now finding out about, 15-year-olds are now allowed to get a “gender”-change operation. Many residents are stunned to learn they can do it without parental notification — and the state will even pay for it through its Medicaid program, the Oregon Health Plan.”

I can’t post the link as it has the word S*x in it.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 9, 2015 6:10 PM
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“In Oregon, the age of medical consent is 15 or older. Patients should be able to demonstrate the capacity to make a fully informed decision and to give consent to treatment, regardless of age. However, nothing in Oregon law requires a health care provider to provide medical services to a minor or safeguard the confidentiality of a minor. In most cases, providers will encourage (and in some cases require) family engagement and supports unless it would endanger the patient.”

There are also a long list of guidelines that must be met before anyone gets insurance coverage for cross-s*x hormone therapy or s*x reassignment surgery.”

http://koin.com/2015/07/09/headline-irrational-on-oregon-transgender-coverage/

Posted by: phx8 at July 9, 2015 10:55 PM
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Government subsidizing is a decent decision for an awful credit understudy advance since they are particularly intended to make school more open; accordingly, their prerequisites are much looser than those of most banks and other loaning organizations.

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