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We are doomed by hipsters and censorship. It's a frightening future for our children. There are teachers and educators who would love to show this film in their classrooms because it's part of history. It's a tangible explanation of what we read in books. Much like the Holocaust. Can you imagine if we never saw Schindler's List, but I'm sure they don't show that in school anymore either. The Wussification of America is in full force and it has become completely unbearable. One day, hopefully everyone becomes utterly exhausted from living in 100% hypocrisy and double standards and it will all go away. Suck it up, buttercup.

In other U Michigan news, Coach Harbaugh from Michigan football expressed his disproval of the screening cancellation and said, "Michigan Football will watch "American Sniper"! Proud of Chris Kyle & Proud to be an American & if that offends anybody then so be it!" So 50 people at the University of Michigan will have the opportunity to see the movie on a campus of 50,000.

Posted by bigtex at April 8, 2015 10:33 PM
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Comment #391164

I don’t think I’d want Schindler’s List screened at what is obstinately a social event either.

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 10, 2015 9:58 AM
Comment #391165

There’s no doubt in my mind that PC run amok and the need to make sure no ones feeling are ever hurt( unless you’re a Christian ) will ultimately render us impotent and result in the downfall of our great country, when our enemies who don’t play by any rules slaughter us at will.

Posted by: dbs at April 11, 2015 9:32 AM
Comment #391167

The students who protested were Muslims. Warren Porter, you may have Jewish roots, but your worship of Obama and the liberal democrats have placed you in the anti-Semitic category. How does it feel to turn your back on your own heritage for the purpose of political correctness?? I notice that with all Obama’s PC, he has not slammed his Black/Kenyan/Muslim roots.

Posted by: Sam Jones at April 11, 2015 3:19 PM
Comment #391168

I notice that with all Obama’s PC, he has not slammed his Black/Kenyan/Muslim roots.
Posted by: Sam Jones at April 11, 2015 3:19 PM

And ignores completely his White Roots.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 11, 2015 3:23 PM
Comment #391169

Conservatives like to make us think Christians are the only ones to get their feelings hurt but we all know that is BS. In this case the U of M scheduled a movie for a social night and a couple of hundred students, many Muslims, thought it in bad taste as they feel they get picked on, and sometimes violently so. So the U of M cancels American Sniper only to get a counter protest and then reschedule the same movie as well as another movie for those students that didn’t feel comfortable with American Sniper. Seems to me they are acting like any corporation and playing to it’s audience. Whats the big deal that Sam and Royal have to get all hateful towards Obama over it?


http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/09/living/university-of-michigan-american-sniper-feat/index.html

Posted by: j2t2 at April 11, 2015 6:59 PM
Comment #391170

“hateful towards Obama”

Are you saying that obama does tout his White Roots?

Why would American Muslims be offended watching a movie depicting efforts to overthrow a tyrant?

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 11, 2015 7:08 PM
Comment #391171
Are you saying that obama does tout his White Roots?

No royal I am wondering how you and sam managed to even think about Obama in a thread that is about the U of M cancelling a movie. Obama wasn’t mentioned in the article , wasn’t involved in the decision to cancel or not to cancel the movie, yet you managed to make it about your hatred towards him.

Why would American Muslims be offended watching a movie depicting efforts to overthrow a tyrant?

Maybe because the effort was to rid the country of WMD’s but we didn’t find those things. Maybe because Osama Bin Laden wasn’t in Iraq after all. Maybe because they were told it was gonna take a few days instead of years. Maybe because the repercussions from removing the tyrant are still haunting us. Maybe they felt embarrassed for their fellow Americans because this “overthrow a tyrant” thing was charged on a credit card and we spent like repubs at the taxpayer trough. Maybe …aww shucks you get the point.

And maybe on a personal note they have suffered foul language, insults taunts bullying and/or physical attacks from conservative haters and having a bunch of college kids pumped up on war and such just didn’t sound social to them. Hell for all I know royal maybe they assumed the local branch of the young repubs would come all decked out in their blackshirts insisting upon loyalty oaths and accusing the Muslims of associating with Grover Norquist and/or infiltrating the white house. But I don’t know so I would suggest you ask them.

http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Blackshirts

Posted by: j2t2 at April 11, 2015 8:08 PM
Comment #391172

“Maybe because the effort was to rid the country of WMD’s but we didn’t find those things.”

And maybe because they had been moved to Syria.

Posted by: dbs at April 11, 2015 11:35 PM
Comment #391173

why is it that nearly all disagreements from the southpaws on this site is considered hateful? you southpaws are sick to consider any disagreement you have that opponents have that is different is hate.

Posted by: tom humes at April 11, 2015 11:46 PM
Comment #391174

Well Tom perhaps you can explain how these two clowns managed to even think this was about Obama. Yet all they could do was spew myth misinformation half truths and outright lies about Obama. It is hate my friend and it takes a special kind of stupid to make the claim you did when the reason for the “nearly all disagreements from southpaws is considered hateful” remark is due to the hateful comments coming from those on the right. Only hate would cause one to hijack the thread and attempt to blame the uninvolved.

dbs, Well maybe these American Muslims were embarrassed for their country because we continued to stay in Iraq when the WMD’s, the reason we invaded Iraq, were gone. Maybe they wondered why the rest of their fellow Americans couldn’t see the lies the previous administration were using to justify the invasion. But hey who knows maybe they thought a social night at the movies shouldn’t revolve around the war in Iraq. Maybe we should ask them,

“The University of Michigan temporarily canceled a screening of the film “American Sniper” this week, after more than 200 students signed a letter saying that the movie perpetuates “negative and misleading stereotypes” and creates an unsafe environment for Middle Eastern, North African and Muslim students.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/09/university-of-michigan-american-sniper_n_7032412.html

Hell maybe they are just studying in this country and have the gall to think they should be able to do so without the young repub blackshirts harassing them.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 12, 2015 10:25 AM
Comment #391175

You should really fix your typos, j2t2…

spew myth misinformation half truths and outright lies about Obama Bush
one of the several reasons we invaded Iraq
were gone were hidden away and found by US forces, AQIA and ISIS insurgents over the past 12 years
Posted by: Rhinehold at April 12, 2015 12:51 PM
Comment #391177

I’m confused. Why was there a sudden shift in the discussion towards a analysis of Obama’s racial background?

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 12, 2015 3:24 PM
Comment #391178

Oh really Rhinehold still letting the Obama haters off the hook using GWB as the reasoning! Clinton. nuff said?

one of the several reasons we invaded Iraq

Oh the “axis of evil was allied with terrorist” thing, how did that work out for us. Or the “substantial threat to American security” thing, all lessons on why not to rush into Iran with guns ablazing,IMHO. I don’t recall the nation building thing being mentioned until later on though Rhinehold.

were gone were hidden away and found by US forces, AQIA and ISIS insurgents over the past 12 years

Over the past 12 years bahhahaha really! Calls “mission accomplished” to mind Rhinehold. Sorry not laughing at you just remembering. BTW did they find any nuclear weapons in those 12 years?

But then again we haven’t had any Iraqi war planes armed with nuclear tipped rockets flying over the United States right! SO maybe GWB was unfairly criticized for leading us into the debacle..

“The Bush Administration was also criticized in subsequent months following the report of the Iraq Survey Group, which did not find the large quantities of weapons that the regime was believed to possess. On December 14, 2005, while discussing the WMD issue, Bush stated that “It is true that much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong.”“

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_and_the_Iraq_War

But you know Rhinehold, either way the point is maybe the American Muslims had their reasons for wanting to get the movie American Sniper cancelled for social night at the movies. I don’t know. I do believe however that neither GWB or Obama was involved or consulted in the decision to play or not play the movie. Do you know something that I don’t on this issue.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 12, 2015 3:29 PM
Comment #391183
Oh really Rhinehold still letting the Obama haters off the hook using GWB as the reasoning!

Who anywhere said I was letting anyone off of any hook? Just pointing out that you like to talk the talk but don’t seem to ever want to walk the walk.

Clinton. nuff said?

Apparently not…

Oh the “axis of evil was allied with terrorist” thing, how did that work out for us. Or the “substantial threat to American security” thing, all lessons on why not to rush into Iran with guns ablazing,IMHO. I don’t recall the nation building thing being mentioned until later on though Rhinehold.

You seem to be forgetting the financially supporting international terrorism thing, or the attempted genocide of its own people thing, or the systematic rape, torture and killing thing, or the purposeful violation of several chapter 7 UN Resolutions thing, or the failure to follow through on its agreement to the cease fire after invading its neighboring country thing, or the continued threats to the US while having members of its own terrorist organization here actively harassing former Iraqi citizens thing, or the harboring of terrorists within its borders thing, or the fact that 12 years of sanctions was only harming the poor and young thing, etc…

As they say, memory is the second thing to go as you age I suppose. It’s even quicker to go when you have an agenda.

Over the past 12 years bahhahaha really! Calls “mission accomplished” to mind Rhinehold. Sorry not laughing at you just remembering. BTW did they find any nuclear weapons in those 12 years?

3 nuclear power plants that were dismantled before US forces could get to them after the invasion and the removal of over 500 tons of yellowcake… But we knew about them so I guess that’s all ok.

“The Bush Administration was also criticized in subsequent months following the report of the Iraq Survey Group, which did not find the large quantities of weapons that the regime was believed to possess. On December 14, 2005, while discussing the WMD issue, Bush stated that “It is true that much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong.”“

And since that report was made and the comments were made, we found over 5000 old chemical warheads (so far). But your quote pretty much backs up my point. Saddam purposefully misled the entire world into thinking he was currently manufacturing more wmd, there was no ‘lying’, their was no willful misleading of the US citizens because there was no NEED to willfully mislead the US citizens. The majority of US citizens wanted us to go take out Saddam even before 9/11. We had a multitude of intelligence failures, partially because Clinton failed to keep inspectors on the ground in Iraq and wasn’t able to resolve the issue during his entire 8 year term. We should learn from them, not keep using a cudgel of failure to make irrational accusations (bush lied) to score easy political points. I would like to think we are better than that but people keep proving me wrong.

I do believe however that neither GWB or Obama was involved or consulted in the decision to play or not play the movie. Do you know something that I don’t on this issue.

I for one agree here, I really don’t understand the need to try to make this a political issue nor try to drag Bush or Obama into the fray. Why the OP (Obama) and yourself (Bush) are doing so seems odd to me. Again, it’s that attempt to score political points that is actually harming our society, not building it up. Politics over People is never a good way to go IMO.

Posted by: Rhinehold at April 13, 2015 11:06 AM
Comment #391188
Who anywhere said I was letting anyone off of any hook? Just pointing out that you like to talk the talk but don’t seem to ever want to walk the walk.

Does some one have to say it Rhinehold, when it is so obvious? The issue at hand has nothing to do with Obama or GWB, so why don’t you worry more about you walking your own walk and less about me. I wish I could say I was sorry you didn’t like my response to royal’s question but I’m not. It was in response to a direct question after I called him on the Obama hatred thing he has going.

You seem to be forgetting the yadayada yada…

SO what Rhinehold what I stated must have sufficed for royal and Sam as they haven’t taken exception to it. After all it wasn’t a treatise on Iraq it was possible reasons American Muslims didn’t want to see American Sniper. We may disagree on the particulars but it isn’t the issue at hand.

I for one agree here, I really don’t understand the need to try to make this a political issue nor try to drag Bush or Obama into the fray.

Yet you seem to be doing just that, you are the one that brought GWB into it but have you once mentioned the students?

Why the OP (Obama) and yourself (Bush) are doing so seems odd to me.

How libertarian it’s always the dems or repubs yet you were the one to bring GWb into it. I simply pointed out the unreasonableness of bringing Obama into the issue when he was brought into it. In fact you are the one that has continued to draw it out, why not give it a rest Rhinehold?


Again, it’s that attempt to score political points that is actually harming our society, not building it up. Politics over People is never a good way to go IMO.

Says the guy trying to score political points. Mr goody twoshoes, who strings the thing out yet another comment, wants us all to follow what he says not what he does, Really!


Posted by: j2t2 at April 13, 2015 10:15 PM
Comment #391191
Well Tom perhaps you can explain how these two clowns managed to even think this was about Obama.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 12, 2015 10:25 AM

Is this an attack on the message or the messenger??? Some things never change.

Whats the big deal that Sam and Royal have to get all hateful towards Obama over it?

Posted by: j2t2 at April 11, 2015 6:59 PM

It’s a shame the left can’t think of anything original to say. Hate of Obama is nothing more than a leftist talking point.

This is a very good example of the “Hate” talking points:

Last week, legendary former Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger and George P. Shultz wrote a scathing Wall Street Journal op-ed critical of the Obama Administration’s nuclear dealmaking with Iran. The Obama State Department has responded, not with criticisms of the detailed argument in the piece, but by dismissing it as “a lot of big words and big thoughts.”…

State Department Spokeswoman Marie Harf, already the subject of much humor for her unserious demeanor and suggestions such as combating the threat of ISIS with a jobs program for young jihadis, responded to this op-ed by dismissing it as “a lot of big words and big thoughts.”

There were many rebuttal’s to Harf’s infantile comments; but this was one of them:

William M. Todd, an old family friend of Harf’s, linked to an article describing Harf’s performance and Brooks’ criticism on Facebook, crowing “Team Obama bans polysyllabic words!” Harf ended up in an angry Facebook exchange with Todd. “I’m not sure how you could think this article accurately portrays me or how I view complicated foreign policy issues, given how long you’ve personally known me and my family,” she wrote. “Does your hatred of this administration matter so much to you that it justifies posting a hurtful comment and a mean-spirited story about the daughter of someone you’ve known for years and used to call a friend?”

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/04/12/state-dept-spokeswoman-in-spat-over-condescending-almost-childish-behavior/

Part of her response, even to someone on her side, is the accusation of hatred toward Obama. How long must we listen to this ignorance??

The left will begin to morph from hatred toward Obama because he is black…to hatred toward Hillary because se is a woman.

Posted by: Sam Jones at April 14, 2015 2:13 PM
Comment #391193
Hate of Obama is nothing more than a leftist talking point.
Why did an article about the local affairs of UMich become a place to attack the President? Hate of Obama seems to be the only explanation. Please enlighten us why you chose to slander me as an anti-Semite merely for condoning a decision not to show a sensitive film at a social event? Posted by: Warren Porter at April 14, 2015 2:56 PM
Comment #391194

What exactly IS a “sensitive film” showing war-time military actions Warren? Sensitive to whom? Victors, losers, or non-combatants.

Many thousands of war films have been produced and shown to the general public. Suddenly it seems, we must be “sensitive” in what is viewed by adults.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 14, 2015 3:25 PM
Comment #391197

Perhaps the answers we are looking for are right in front of our faces and we are failing to recognize them.

All of the above respondents are thinking like adults, not like collage age students.
Now if I was a young man with ill intentions, out on a “social night” date the last movie I would take a girl to would be “American Sniper”, if I thought I might get “lucky”.

The coach had it right. If you want to get the team up play them a rah, rah, war movie that might inspire them to victory.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at April 15, 2015 12:49 AM
Comment #391199
All of the above respondents are thinking like adults, not like collage age students.

So who runs the college, is it the students or the adult administration? The success of showing the movie shows that a minority group of students complained, and the administration caved to PC. The Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute tried to do the same thing, but many students complained that not showing the film was a violation of free speech. I guess free speech is only free speech when a liberal is talking.

Warren Porter, the question is not whether you have been slandered; the question is, do you support Obama’s and his administration’s anti-Jewish stand? If you support him, then the comment stands. If you do not, then I apologize.

Hate of Obama is not a logical explanation; it is a talking point of the left. Can you name one disagreement with Obama’s policies that was not blamed on hatred of Obama, or racism?

Posted by: Sam Jones at April 15, 2015 1:54 PM
Comment #391201
What exactly IS a “sensitive film” showing war-time military actions Warren? Sensitive to whom? Victors, losers, or non-combatants.

Many thousands of war films have been produced and shown to the general public. Suddenly it seems, we must be “sensitive” in what is viewed by adults

It’s a subjective question with the answer determined by societal values. There are many films that I enjoy watching, but that would be awkward to watch in a social setting with people who are not intimate friends. This would probably include any film that receives an R rating for its depiction of violence.

The primary purpose of “UMix” seems to be socialization. Films that are light-hearted and unserious are most appropriate. Neither Schindler’s List nor American Sniper are light-hearted or unserious films.

Now if I was a young man with ill intentions, out on a “social night” date the last movie I would take a girl to would be “American Sniper”, if I thought I might get “lucky”.
As a young man I agree with your assumption. Whenever I take a girl out on a first date at the movies, I nearly always either arrange to watch a comedy or an overtly fantasy film. I stay away from films that are “too serious”.

Sam, I support Obama’s pro-Israel stand. I also do not conflate Israel with the whole of Judaism.

Can you name one disagreement with Obama’s policies that was not blamed on hatred of Obama
Libertarians concerned about the NSA’s overreach in its surveillance activities are genuine and not necessary hating on Obama. Posted by: Warren Porter at April 15, 2015 2:35 PM
Comment #391202

Warren, your response to my question; “What exactly IS a “sensitive film” receives an A for spin and a D for logic.

“societal values” can not be applied to an accurate historical depiction. History is black and white. One can judge for themselves whether killing in war time is moral, but no one can deny it happens.

The “sensitivity” is properly placed upon the viewer, not the film. Those sensitive to violence are not required to view what is objectionable to them.

I am aware that many who favor late term abortion do not wish the actual procedure to be viewable by the public. This is a political objection just as is the objection by some of the film being viewed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 15, 2015 2:59 PM
Comment #391204

Sam,

“So who runs the college, is it the students or the adult administration?”

Shall we assume that the university is a democracy or is it a dictatorship?
Since you have inferred that it was Muslims that complained about the choice, should they not have any say at all in the matter?
Should the students be forced on a “social night” to choose between watching a movie they aren’t interested in or not to go at all?

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at April 15, 2015 3:50 PM
Comment #391205
Hate of Obama is not a logical explanation; it is a talking point of the left. Can you name one disagreement with Obama’s policies that was not blamed on hatred of Obama, or racism?

Jeezus Sam what a line of crap you run. Your excuses for your hatred of Obama is what is illogical. That and the foolish way you have tried to end around the issue with pathetic BS such as “It’s a shame the left can’t think of anything original to say. Hate of Obama is nothing more than a leftist talking point.”. See you try to make it sound like it is just an over reaction by those on the left but the fact is what you suggested originally “I notice that with all Obama’s PC, he has not slammed his Black/Kenyan/Muslim roots.” has absolutely zero to do with any of Obama’s policies and zero to do with the subject of this thread.

Ya see Sam there is no such thing as Obama’s PC except in the minds of those that try to blame Obama for everything, The haters, those on the far right that hate Obama and try to make even the smallest slight his fault despite the fact he is totally uninvolved.

So despite your silly attempt to divert blame for your hatred onto those on the left that call you out for the stupid comments and illogical assumptions you have failed to do anything but confirm you have no integrity you are a hater Sam and will say anything to spew your hatred.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 15, 2015 8:11 PM
Comment #391206

Royal Flush,

I think you are gravely mistaken. Nowhere have I alleged that sensitive films ought to be “unviewable”. I merely expressed my opinion that a film depicting violence in the manner depicted in Schindler’s List or American Sniper is not very conducive for stimulating social interaction among students.

Screening the film in a different context where Didacticism is the goal rather than socialization would be an entirely different matter.

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 15, 2015 8:11 PM
Comment #391210

Warren, I have not seen the film so I don’t know if it is meant to be morally instructive or simple entertainment. Certainly we can not assume that all students have the same opinions. Let those who wish to view the film in an academic setting do so.

Isn’t a “stimulating social” film that encourages student interaction a subjective opinion?

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 16, 2015 3:29 PM
Comment #391211

RF,

This is a simple exercise in social skills. If I went on a first date with a girl I didn’t know very well, I would consider it rude if she decided to talk about politics or religion. Later on, when the relationship becomes more innovate, is a much more appropriate time to discuss such things.

Like you, I have not seen American Sniper, but this film is not unique in this regard. I would treat Schindler’s lit in the same manner.

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 16, 2015 10:28 PM
Comment #391212

*intimate* not innovate

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 16, 2015 10:29 PM
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