Blood on whose hands

Anti police protestors in NYC, Al Sharpton and Mayor de Blasio are not responsible for the killing of the cops in New York any more than Sarah Palin and conservatives were responsible for the shooting in Tucson, or the Tea Party was responsible for any violence at all. I hope our leftish friends will remember this next time they go nuts.

I have never come down to the leftist level of blaming legitimate political differences for violent nut cases. One of the few times I have been truly angry at anyone on this blog is when my liberal friends were blaming the shootings in Norway on conservative politics. I thought it was exceptionally stupid when there was a discussion about whether a climate of conservative hatred in Dallas was responsible for the Kennedy assassination, even though the killer was obviously a leftists, a "silly little communist."

I am, however, a bit perplexed at the anti-police protestors continuing their activities in the immediate aftermath of a cop-killing.

The person responsible for a crime is the person who does the crime. I have always understood this.

Posted by Christine & John at December 23, 2014 8:10 PM
Comments
Comment #386905

Al Charlatan needs to be held accountable. People die when he starts talking.
It’s against the law to yell fire in a theatre because people get hurt in the aftermath. Al Charlatan’s racist hate speech is like that.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 24, 2014 1:36 AM
Comment #386907

Weary what exactly did this Charlatan guy say that would make you think he was in collusion with the crazy guy that killed those 2 cops?

Posted by: j2t2 at December 24, 2014 7:16 AM
Comment #386908

Weary & J2t2 - no reasonable person blames Republicans when there is violence associated with people espousing right wing causes so how can we blame Sharpton? We can deplore his hateful speech and point to his many lies and distortions, but there is no direct connection between him and shooter.

I am sure that our liberal friends like Paul Krugman are now ashamed of how they behaved during earlier shootings.

Indeed, liberals have established a standard that blames conservatives for violence any way associated with conservative ideas, even when they are not, as in the case in Tucson. But we are better than they are and we need not follow the liberal lead.

I will make sure I keep this post where I can find it, so I can post it next time the liberals blame conservatives for some nut case.

Posted by: C&J at December 24, 2014 8:58 AM
Comment #386909

This is the notorious Krugman article. He has not apologized, but we can all feel better than he is if we do not fall to his level.

Posted by: C&J at December 24, 2014 9:02 AM
Comment #386913

Would love to be the fly on the wall. What is said when the cameras and reporters are not there but all of Al’s henchmen are present. I sense that the words and actions are different from what we see and hear. Yeah, I can’t prove a darn thing but the heart and the tongue are quite linked together. That is to say that what is in the heart so the tongue speaketh.

Merry Christmas

Posted by: tom humes at December 24, 2014 2:37 PM
Comment #386914

People get fired, punished, all sorts of persecution for saying things like “OMG!” “Horrible!”, but Al Charlatan can spout hate and promote racism and people get murdered because of his words without any scrutiny at all from the leftist hypocrites.

Al Sharpton’s History of Racial Evils

After years of portraying American police as brutally racist and evil, culminating in Sharpton’s leadership of the falsely-premised “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” and “I Can’t Breathe” movements surrounding the deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner, Sharpton certainly bears some culpability for the murders of the officers. He bears even more culpability for the reactions of those celebrating the murders in their aftermath; he, more than anyone else, helped forward the perception that officers treat the black community like “Nazis or Hamas” treat Jews, as Van Jones once told me.

Go ahead and defend Al Charlatan! His race-baiting hatred has done more for the Democratic Party than any other racist has.

Only a Democratic would create a victim, use that victim for everything they’re worth, and then cast them aside when they’re done with them.

j2t2, you have the audacity to ask that question in light of your treatment of Sarah Palin during the Gabrielle Giffords shooting?

The word is spelled H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 24, 2014 3:10 PM
Comment #386928


“…you have the audacity to ask that question in light of your treatment of Sarah Palin during the Gabrielle Giffords shooting?”

Alas, poor Sarah, not the sharpest spoon in the drawer, but so put upon.

How can we miss her if she won’t go away?

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at December 25, 2014 10:21 AM
Comment #386929
j2t2, you have the audacity to ask that question in light of your treatment of Sarah Palin during the Gabrielle Giffords shooting?

Look Weary I don’t know what you think I said about Palins involvement in the Giffords shooting but here is what I said about the shooter at the time.

“I have not seen anything to lead me to believe that this shooter had a political leaning. He seems to be mentally unbalanced based upon the information available to date. That does not automatically make him a conservative despite the head dude at the tea party’s fierce response to the issue.”

So you must have me confused with someone else. But no hypocrisy here. Now since you have the audacity to respond to my question with such a non answer why not answer the question, show some proof of what you accused Sharpton of.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 25, 2014 2:51 PM
Comment #386930

Try reading the link I provided, j2t2. Then apply to him the same standards you apply to any conservative.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 25, 2014 3:24 PM
Comment #386932

The Breitbart link! the same people whose bias knows no bounds, who doctors videos to match their propaganda why on earth would someone allow themselves to be taken in by that crap Weary? Look at the BS you quoted it just isn’t truth, it’s propaganda meant to attack the messenger not deal in facts. It is exaggeration half truth misinformation myth and lies. To suggest they have merit by going to the link only allows them to muddy the waters.

Besides it’s your turn to answer the question I asked, after all I answered the false hypocrisy claim.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 26, 2014 10:46 AM
Comment #386933

No, j2t2, read the article. I know you didn’t because there are no videos in the article. What is in the article is many instances where Al Charlatan went off half cocked and his rhetoric got people killed.

You claim the Breitbart article attacks the messenger while attacking the messenger, Breitbart! I swear to God you people would protect Charley Manson if he said he was a Democratic!

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 26, 2014 1:21 PM
Comment #386934

Isn’t that what you are doing now Weary, legitimizing Charley Breitbart? Breitbart’s reputation precedes them. They have an axe to grind, an agenda to promote, an ulterior motive. They use many different shady and underhanded tools to fool you guys into believing this guy is evil. It simply isn’t the case. Their argument is “if he isn’t perfect he is evil” and who amongst us is perfect. They are in fact doing what they are accusing Sharpton of doing.

IN the case of public media sites the messenger is the message,IMHO. They have 1st amendment protection given to the press and use it to spread propaganda. When propaganda is the message it is one and the same as the messenger.

Conservatives have been trying for some time to turn around their image when it comes to race, Weary. One of the underhanded means they have used to do so is to change the framing of the argument to blame civil rights workers for the racism in this country. They have tried to paint Obama as a divider for speaking about the Brown case but not attending funerals for police officers killed in the line of duty, even though it has nothing to do with the issue. They have tried to say “well its better than it was a 100 years ago so what is the problem”. So this treatment of Sharpton by Breitbart is just fodder for the followers who do not question, for me it is a waste of time as I know it to be fodder.

SO I say to you Weary, enough of the distractions prove to us Sharpton used racist hate speech to cause this crazy guy to kill those two officers. Or recant the racist hateful false accusation that he did.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 26, 2014 2:15 PM
Comment #386935

I’m saying Charlatan should be held to the same standards that the left holds conservatives.

No conservative would get away with saying what Charlatan says.

“If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house.”
The Crown Heights riots led to the death of Yankel Rosenbaum, an Orthodox Jewish student.

“We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business,”
One of the protesters then shot four employees of Freddy’s and set the store on fire.

“I think that when you look at the racial atmosphere, when you look at the fact that there again were the allegations of racial statements, when you look at a lot of people feeling that they have been treated differently, where this girl has basically had a character charged in the media, there is a lot of racism that’s in the air,” he told Bill O’Reilly. Not only was Mangum lying, she was later convicted for murdering her boyfriend.

You go ahead and defend your con-man, j2t2. What else is new? It’s Standard Operating Procedure for Democratics.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 26, 2014 2:34 PM
Comment #386936
I’m saying Charlatan should be held to the same standards that the left holds conservatives.

Weary, perhaps you need to hold the left to the same standards you hold conservative for things to work out. None of these statements are inflammatory, no charges were filed against Sharpton for inciting a hate crime or anything of the sort and yet you condemn Sharpton while absolving the Palins of the world.

But enough of of this diversion Weary, either answer the question with some proof or go have yourself a Merry Christmas or both.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 26, 2014 4:44 PM
Comment #386937

Who said anything about putting him in jail? I see almost every day the left telling people what they can and can’t say. They get people fired. They destroy the careers and livelihood of people who say things they disagree with.

But when someone who is found to be wrong on many counts, but promotes the left’s agenda of race and class division, that person is held up as a hero and a leader!

Why should I have to prove things to you when the left and their racist shills can lie and fabricate and mis-characterize for political gain without the same standard being applied?

Sure, Al Charlatan didn’t wield the weapon that took innocent lives, but he instigated an environment that allowed it all to happen. He’s done it in the past, he’s doing it now, and he will do it in the future if your side keeps supporting him and his tactics.


.. and yet you condemn Sharpton while absolving the Palins of the world.

I’m not “absolving” Sarah Palin of anything, j2t2! She’s been involved with nothing Al Charlatan has been involved in. Are you trying to say Palin instigates riots, lies, and fabricates issues out of whole cloth and that I support her when she does?

You’re quite the dreamer, j2t2, for believing Sarah Palin solves problems the way Al Charlatan thinks they should be solved.

She’s living inside your head, rent free!

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 26, 2014 5:47 PM
Comment #386939
Who said anything about putting him in jail? I see almost every day the left telling people what they can and can’t say. They get people fired. They destroy the careers and livelihood of people who say things they disagree with.

Weary, that is because you have your partisan blinders on or you would realize you are talking about people in general regardless of political persuasion.

But when someone who is found to be wrong on many counts, but promotes the left’s agenda of race and class division, that person is held up as a hero and a leader!

Weary, this is exactly what I was saying, conservatives have turned the race issue around in order to fool others. “One of the underhanded means they have used to do so is to change the framing of the argument to blame civil rights workers for the racism in this country.” and here you are proving my point.

Why should I have to prove things to you when the left and their racist shills can lie and fabricate and mis-characterize for political gain without the same standard being applied?

Because you made the comment and I called you on it. IMHO you have made false statements about the man. As far as racist shills we all know that turkey don’t fly no matter how many times you say it.

Sure, Al Charlatan didn’t wield the weapon that took innocent lives, but he instigated an environment that allowed it all to happen.

The same could be said about the NRA and the many ammosexuals that support a gun in every hand Weary. Had the crazy guy had a knife or baseball bat chances of both or at the least one of those officers would be alive today.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 26, 2014 7:48 PM
Comment #386940

Ammosexuals? Did you just make that up or did one of your handlers give that to you?

That’s funny.

Look at it this way, j2t2. If the crazy guy had a job chances are both cops would be alive today.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 26, 2014 11:32 PM
Comment #386941

Chances are if the crazy guy had a wife and kids both cops would be alive today.

What would you bet if the crazy guy had an education that was worth a damn both cops would be alive today?

How about this, j2t2? If the crazy guy grew up in rural America both cops would be alive today.

Let’s try this one!

If Democratics weren’t controlling the inner cities both cops would be alive today!

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 26, 2014 11:38 PM
Comment #386942

Your red herrings won’t solve the problems, j2t2.

You and yours will never be able to address these problems.

You will never be able to grasp the means necessary to solve these problems, because you can see nothing in which your party is at fault. Just like these thugs in the streets throwing bottles and burning buildings, you can see no fault of your own.

Your ideology would be much better served by you if you would take the observer and recorder role instead of the agitator and aggressor role.

Why do we determine how we live our lives on 20-30 second sound bites and video clips about things that really don’t affect us personally?

When the government shut down the American people as a whole couldn’t have cared less! It was the 20% who depend on the federal government who controlled the debate, no, the exposure! of that entire issue! The 80% who had no problems with a government shutdown had no exposure at all!

Why we let this happen is beyond my simple comprehension skills. Other than the red herring distractions put forth by your side, j2t2, there is really no other debate on the issues. Your arguments only support and fuel the turmoil.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 27, 2014 12:42 AM
Comment #386987
Ammosexuals? Did you just make that up or did one of your handlers give that to you?

C. none of the above Weary. Guess again…. oh nevermind, I don’t have handlers Weary I have grand kids. This is one I saw on the internet and thought you might like it seeings it is an exaggeration and all.

Look at it this way, j2t2. If the crazy guy had a job chances are both cops would be alive today.

That damned,

Chances are if the crazy guy had a wife and kids both cops would be alive today.

Al Sharpton,

What would you bet if the crazy guy had an education that was worth a damn both cops would be alive today?
he is,
How about this, j2t2? If the crazy guy grew up in rural America both cops would be alive today.

to blame,

If Democratics weren’t controlling the inner cities both cops would be alive today!

Why?

Didn’t this start with “Weary what exactly did this Charlatan guy say that would make you think he was in collusion with the crazy guy that killed those 2 cops?”

Posted by: j2t2 at December 28, 2014 7:20 PM
Comment #386989

No, this started by you tossing out the red herring argument that you fabricated to deflect from the real issue.

Never did I say that the killer and Al Charlatan were in collusion. Not once. No where near what I actually said.

Now, you base your entire series of comments on my lack of response to your fantasy based question.

Do you see why I say your side will never be able to solve the problems this country has?

You completely ignore the issue and dominate the void with fictitious, manufactured pap.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 28, 2014 8:17 PM
Comment #386990

Well then Weary my bad. It seems we agree Al Sharpton has nothing to do with the death of those two police officers in NYC. It’s just that your rhetoric caused me to believe you disagreed, after all when you say things like “Al Charlatan needs to be held accountable. People die when he starts talking.” when the issue is the deaths of those two officers in NYC I’m sure you can see how someone can assume you were trying to tie Sharpton and the shooter together.


So I guess I’m kinda glad I was wrong, what with you being a conservative and seeing other conservatives in the media using the deaths of these two officers as their reasoning for their ongoing attacks on Sharpton.

Here I thought C&J were the only reasonable voices in the wilderness when they said Sharpton Obama, and all these other guys conservatives like to blame weren’t in fact responsible for the deaths of these two officers. So I’m glad to hear you are in the conservative minority with C&J on this issue.

But I do have one question when you say “It’s against the law to yell fire in a theatre because people get hurt in the aftermath. Al Charlatan’s racist hate speech is like that.” when in fact you haven’t shown us any of the supposed racist hate speech what do you mean exactly. I mean you used this sentence in a paragraph with the previous comment and in the thread about culpability for the deaths of the two NYC police officers so what exactly are you saying? Surely you aren’t just spewing false claims and hate speech your own self are you?

Posted by: j2t2 at December 28, 2014 11:53 PM
Comment #386991

When that football player was reported to say “OMG!” and “Horrible” on his social media page, weren’t you one of the cheerleaders clammoring for punishment? Didn’t you condone his chastisement and look down your nose while he apologized and hung his head in shame?

Why then, do you show your support for someone who is on the wrong side of the issues he himself instigates? Why won’t you see the pattern of Charlatan Speaks, people riot, Charlatan Speaks, people riot, Charlatan Speaks, charges false.

Yet, Al Charlatan gets the opportunity on national television to play his voice messages and hold them up as justification for what’s going on around him.

How long was David Duke’s career? I don’t hear about his life long career of leaving burned out neighborhoods in his wake. Why was his rhetoric shut down so quickly and Al Charlatan gets to fuel racist rant after racist rant throughout his entire adult life?

To top it off he’s always wrong!

The Democratic party needs instigators like Al Charlatan. Without conflict Democratics are rudderless.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 29, 2014 1:01 AM
Comment #386992

Pop-Up Party Company Under Scrutiny For Role In Keene Riots

“As far as we can tell,” Hassan says, “there are companies now that advertise parties around certain events often near college campuses, attract people there, and the people are encouraged to do things that are then videotaped and put on social media.”

Here is the Governor of the State of New Hampshire chomping at the bit, ready and willing to blame a “pop-up party” company on the riots in the city of Keene. She would be more than happy to see this company blamed for the mayhem.

But you j2t2, and your Democratic Party can’t seem to find it in yourselves to perhaps even consider the possibility that Al Charlatan and his racist antagonistic, voicemail playing, rhetoric has anything to do with the riots that inevitably follow his speaking.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 29, 2014 1:37 AM
Comment #386998
When that football player was reported to say “OMG!” and “Horrible” on his social media page, weren’t you one of the cheerleaders clammoring for punishment?

Red herring

Didn’t you condone his chastisement and look down your nose while he apologized and hung his head in shame?

Red herring

Why then, do you show your support for someone who is on the wrong side of the issues he himself instigates? Why won’t you see the pattern of Charlatan Speaks, people riot, Charlatan Speaks, people riot, Charlatan Speaks, charges false.

Send Weary right over…. the edge that is. Really Weary you are comparing apples and elephants no wonder you cant answer the simple questions put to you.

Yet, Al Charlatan gets the opportunity on national television to play his voice messages and hold them up as justification for what’s going on around him.

A civil rights leader gets his voice on national TV, OMG what next, marching in the street to protest !

How long was David Duke’s career?

Who cares and what does it have to do with the accusation in your first comment?

I don’t hear about his life long career of leaving burned out neighborhoods in his wake.

burning crosses Weary,
http://digitalcollections.library.gsu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/ajc/id/818

Why was his rhetoric shut down so quickly and Al Charlatan gets to fuel racist rant after racist rant throughout his entire adult life?

Because Duke was a real racist whilst Sharpton is a racist only in the minds of conservatives running away from the David Dukes of the world. Your illusion that what Sharpton does is somehow akin to what Duke does is laughable Weary, you seem to be your own worst enemy on this one. Trying to float that boat requires many fewer brain cells than whats left of mine. You need the truly dumbed down conservatives to float this one. But please one more try on some proof please.

What the two do have in common is they both unsuccessfully ran for president.

To top it off he’s always wrong!

IMHO Weary it is you that is always wrong. listen to your self “You completely ignore the issue and dominate the void with fictitious, manufactured pap.” while you completely ignore the issue and ” dominate the void with fictitious, manufactured pap.”

Trying to sell us on the ridiculous notion that Sharpton is the problem instead of Sharpton is addressing the problem. Surely you can understand the protestors feeling the cops are disproportionally killing young black kids. I mean you at one time wanted to open fire on the cops for raiding drug houses or what they thought to be drug houses, wouldn’t you protest if a druggie civil rights leader asked you to help bring the issue to a head?


The Democratic party needs instigators like Al Charlatan. Without conflict Democratics are rudderless.

IMHO dems are rudderless with or without conflict Weary, same as the repubs. It is the monied class the has the rudders for both parties. Seems to me they are getting guys like you to hate the minorities for wanting to protect their young and bow to the police state. Blaming Sharpton for this is kinda foolish.

So another question Weary, how do you know a conservative is guilty of something? The answer, because lord knows you won’t answer, is because he is trying to blame liberals, of doing he same thing. Proof, yes! your comments on this thread.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 29, 2014 11:05 AM
Comment #387005

phx8

I don’t support the David Dukes or the Al Sharptons. They are the dregs and tumors of virtue, as the saying goes. The difference is that David Duke has not been invited to the WH dozens of times.

Posted by: C&J at December 30, 2014 12:40 AM
Comment #387007

D&D, and I don’t support the Mitt Romneys and Adolph Hitlers either. For the same reason. But then you would probably say this is an apples and elephants comparison as one has nothing to do with the other and I would agree. But the problem is this, when you try to tell me the Dukes and the Sharptons are one and the same you are making an equivalent comparison. In doing so you are slandering the Sharptons of the world with such an asinine comparison.

Lets just take a second and throw in some facts, I know, I know it makes it harder when you have to deal with facts. David Duke wants to take away the civil rights for a particular group of Americans whilst Sharpton on the other hand seeks to protect the civil rights of a particular group. Yet to hear conservatives tell it that makes Sharpton a racist, how foolish is that?

Posted by: j2t2 at December 30, 2014 11:21 AM
Comment #387011

j2t2

Sharpton, IMO, is similar to Duke but on the other end. He plays racist politics, lies and cheats. These are not only my opinions. Recall the Brawly case for lying and his big tax bills for cheating. A man like that has no business being invited into the WH.

The big difference is that David Duke is avoided by mainstream politicians. An old association with him can damage a career. Sharpton is still active and has much more destructive potential.

Posted by: C&J at December 30, 2014 9:01 PM
Comment #387013

And Romney is similar to Hitler as well C&J yet you don’t seem to be calling Romney out on…… oh I guess you did liars and cheats shouldn’t be allowed into the white house, well that worked out well didn’t it.

Wow these apples to elephants comparisons are fun, hell twisted facts and logical fallacies are all that is required.Lets try another one, I know Rush Limbaugh and Mother Theresa. Or better yet GWB and Pol Pot.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 31, 2014 8:44 AM
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