Obama did good on Cuba

Cuba is an economic basket-case run by decrepit old men, using a decrepit a old ideology. Back in the Kennedy Administration, before most people alive today were born, Cuba was a forward operating base for the Soviet Union. It was the tip of a Soviet spear and was dangerous for that reason. Cuba itself was no threat and when the Soviet empire collapsed so did most of the threat of Cuba. The bankrupt country and bankrupt ideology was kept on life support by Venezuelan oil. Today, Venezuela is also a basket-case and oil prices are dropping. Cuba has no place else to go. We should be magnanimous in victory.

Some have accused the President of coddling dictators. I suppose he does in some cases. In this case, who cares? Look at old Fidel. Back in the 1960s, he was a virile, cigar chomping revolutionary. Today he is just a worn out old man who probably cannot even eat soup all by himself. The Cuban communist state is much like its erstwhile leader.

I hate communism more than most people. I am not advocating we support that. But as we open to Cuba, we will all see the terrible results of the system. Back in the 1990s, we saw what a mess communists made in Eastern Europe. It is even worse in Cuba. Our big problem will not be that Cuba is strong but that the collapse will cost us lost of time and trouble.

Lots of things worked or we necessary during the Cold War. The Cold War is over. Cuba was one of the big victims of the Cold War. That benighted island has suffered from communism for decades. It is time for them to come out into the sun.

Let's not have illusions. The Cuban regime is terrible. They regularly imprison and abuse their citizens. The country is abysmally poor. The Cuban regime will never be our friend and we would not really want friends like that. But this too will pass. IMO, opening to Cuba will hasten the happy day when Cuba communism is just a bad memory and the country can again enter the community of decent nations.

I have to compliment Obama on this w/o irony or reservation.

Posted by Christine & John at December 17, 2014 12:12 PM
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Comment #386707

Long overdue. This weakens Putin as an added benefit, he may have to re-think his position on President for life. Once the people of Russia realize what his crazy foreign policy has brought about, his tenure in office may only be kept by the force he uses to determine that tenure. I don’t expect him to go quietly into the night. Win, win.

Posted by: Speak4all at December 17, 2014 2:06 PM
Comment #386708

Speaks

It is important to know when you have accomplished your objective. It is human nature to hang onto the struggle. It is like the dog who is on a lease so long that he doesn’t know when he is free.

In politics it is even worse. There are many thousands of people employed in the anti-Cuba battle. They want to protect their phoney-balony jobs.

Back in the 1980s, we spent lots of money on TV-Marti. It was supposed to broadcast to Cuba, but it was easily jammed. We didn’t give up, however. And we send over all sorts of telenovellas and other programs the Cuban people never saw. If you questioned this, you were told you were not being helpful.

Posted by: C&J at December 17, 2014 2:37 PM
Comment #386709

The move is long overdue. Much more good will result from normalization than perpetuating this strange embargo and isolation.

Brace yourself, though, for blow back by the Miami Cuban community. Having lived there most of my adult life, the animosity toward Castro runs deep.

Posted by: Rich at December 17, 2014 3:21 PM
Comment #386713

This should have been done decades ago.

Posted by: phx8 at December 17, 2014 4:26 PM
Comment #386714

Rich

I think this is natural. All their lives they have been against the evil dictator down there. They will see the relaxing of sanctions as support for him. It is not, but old habits die hard.

I also think that people hold on the animosity. They don’t want the old enemy to “get away with it.” Well … he has. Unfortunately, Fidel will die a normal old man death. He will never pay for his crimes in this world.

I saw a similar story about some old Nazi who has Alzheimer. There are people calling for him to be punished, for justice. Unfortunately, no punishment is possible to the man who did the crimes. The best you could do was abuse an old body with no memory of what he did or probably even of being punished. Something in human nature cries out against this injustice. But the wise person just moves along.

Posted by: C&J at December 17, 2014 4:26 PM
Comment #386717

Saw a report from little Havana in Miami and the reporter said there was a definite generational difference in people’s acceptance of this action. The older generation was very much against it but the younger generation was accepting the decision and waiting to find out the implications of the decision. I would hope that this same generational difference will play a part in the Cuban people’s perception of their government. Older people want to hang on to what they know but the younger generation might want to move forward to a new frontier. This could happen.

Posted by: Speak4all at December 17, 2014 5:01 PM
Comment #386718

C&J,

It will be a wonderful thing for the citizens of both countries.

As you said, the embargo and isolation was a relic of the cold war and has caused terrible hardships for the people of Cuba. It has prolonged the inevitable transition of Cuba into a freer political and economic system.

Yes, Castro survived. It is a bitter pill for many older Cuban Americans. But, their hardheartedness should not stand in the way of bringing economic opportunity and the potential of increasing political freedom to the people of Cuba.

Posted by: Rich at December 17, 2014 5:05 PM
Comment #386719

Let us hope that the Cuban community doesn’t resort to looting, burning and general mayhem as some in other communities have resorted to in their quest for “righteous justice”.

I don’t believe that will happen as the Cuban community respects law and order unlike some in this country.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 17, 2014 5:34 PM
Comment #386721

Currently there are four countries designated as State Sponsors of Terrorism: Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria.

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm

How did obama determine that Cuba should no longer belong on this list? Have they renounced terrorism? Have they renounced tyranny over their own people?

Just exactly what has the government of Cuba done or changed to deserve obama’s support?

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 17, 2014 6:56 PM
Comment #386722

Royal

I don’t doubt the Cuban regime is run by bad guys. They just do not matter that much anymore.

Posted by: C&J at December 17, 2014 7:14 PM
Comment #386724

C/J, in my opinion, obama could have waited until the Castro boys were dead. Every other president has done that.

I still want to know why exactly Cuba is no longer considered a State Sponsor of Terrorism. What has changed except in the mind of obama?

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 17, 2014 7:18 PM
Comment #386725

Royal,

Obama has directed the State Department to conduct a review as to whether Cuba should be on that list.

Let’s be real about this. Cuba has not been linked to international terrorism nor has engaged in any acts of direct terrorism in recent decades. If you know of any, please enlighten us.

The reason that Cuba is on the list is due solely to the Cuban American lobby.

Time for reality to prevail.

Posted by: Rich at December 17, 2014 7:19 PM
Comment #386726

The US Chamber of Commerce will argue that it’s good for business. Is that a good reason?

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 17, 2014 7:20 PM
Comment #386727

Rich, has there been a general clamor by Americans to award Cuba or is it just an obama whim, a liberal wet dream, and good for business?

If the US Chamber of Commerce had suggested this what would your opinion be?

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 17, 2014 7:26 PM
Comment #386728

This administration wants to deny the due process of a grand jury to police involved in questionable civilian deaths.

Punish our police and reward a country on our State Sponsored Terrorist list. Wow…that’s some really screwed up thinking.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 17, 2014 7:34 PM
Comment #386729

Royal

With Cuba in the orbit, maybe our liberal friends will lighten up on the abuse accusations in the U.S. In Cuba such things are every-day procedures.

Posted by: C&J at December 17, 2014 7:46 PM
Comment #386730

Royal,

Please, do you actually think that we are concerned with a 9/11 from Cuba? That Cuba is funding such an effort or conspiring with some terrorist group to carry out such an attack?

The designation of Cuba on the State Department terrorist list is a political issue not one of reality.

The most significant export of Cuba today is medical services. “Cuba provides more medical personnel to the developing world than all the G8 countries combined..” “Cuba has 42,000 workers in international collaborations in 103 different countries, of whom more than 30,000 are health personnel, including no fewer than 19,000 physicians.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism

Posted by: Rich at December 17, 2014 7:56 PM
Comment #386731

Rich

We had problems with those Cuban doctors in Brazil. They have to send most of their wages back to Cuba. When they get the chance, they try to escape. Embassies have had to set up procedures to handle them.

Posted by: C&J at December 17, 2014 8:05 PM
Comment #386732

I don’t doubt that there are problems with the Cuban doctors serving in other countries. But, that does not negate the fact that Cuba has developed, despite limited resources, a modern and effective medical system. It has transitioned from exporting revolution to exporting humanitarian medical care. In the Ebola crisis, Cuba has been at the forefront of sending doctors and medical support personnel.”Few have heeded the call, but one country has responded in strength: Cuba.” http://www.wsj.com/articles/cuba-stands-at-forefront-of-ebola-battle-in-africa-1412904212

With US investment in technology and research support, Cuba could become a world class medical resource for the Caribbean and Southern US.

Posted by: Rich at December 17, 2014 11:44 PM
Comment #386735
Currently there are four countries designated as State Sponsors of Terrorism: Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria…How did obama determine that Cuba should no longer belong on this list?

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 17, 2014 6:56 PM

The same way he determines which GITMO detainees to release; he let’s Valery Jerrod make the decision.

Royal

I don’t doubt the Cuban regime is run by bad guys. They just do not matter that much anymore.

Posted by: C&J at December 17, 2014 7:14 PM

I’m sure the people living under these regimes might differ with you.

The US Chamber of Commerce will argue that it’s good for business. Is that a good reason?

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 17, 2014 7:20 PM

Yes they will argue it’s good for business; and it amazes me that Democrats are so eager to jump on the Chamber of Commerce bandwagon. What happened to their hatred of big business? This isn’t the first time the Chamber of Commerce has put their desires above what’s right for America.

Royal

With Cuba in the orbit, maybe our liberal friends will lighten up on the abuse accusations in the U.S. In Cuba such things are every-day procedures.

Posted by: C&J at December 17, 2014 7:46 PM

C&J, you live in the same fantasy world as the establishment Republican Party who thinks if they compromise with Democrats, that the liberal press and the left will love them. Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?””. The answer is no. There is nothing that will stop your liberal “friends” from their ideology. Al Qaida just murdered 140 children in Pakistan, and the left still does not consider it at the same level as US EITs. That should tell you something.

Obama has shown nothing to the American people which would allow them to trust him. In fact, he has shown he cannot be trusted. His foreign policies are a complete failure and this action is a continuation. Whenever Obama comes out with some shocking new policy, I have to ask myself “is this another smokescreen”. Obama does not give a shit for the people held in Cuban prisons or the Cuban people. He is a narcissist. He only cares about Obama. Therefore, this new Cuban policy is nothing more than a slight of hand; don’t watch what you see him doing…look for what he is secretly doing.

Posted by: Sam Jones at December 18, 2014 9:56 AM
Comment #386737

Someone’s tin foil hat seems to be a little bit on the tight fitting side this morning. President Obama’s support for his action with Cuba is looking very good and will improve over time. Now Pope Francis, there’s a guy that needs to be watched. He advocates for the poor and down trodden. Be careful, be very careful about him and his secret decoder ring.

Posted by: Speak4all at December 18, 2014 10:47 AM
Comment #386738

Sam Jones,
Oh, come on. The Cuba policy was a dinosaur, a Cold War relic. The US was the only country in the world with an embargo on Cuba. We have relations with a lot of countries with unsavory policies because it is to our benefit to communicate and engage. The attempt to isolate Cuba failed a long time ago. Engagement is the best policy, far better than isolation or confrontation. Dictatorships and Communist regimes cannot maintain their grip when their populations are exposed to American culture and its freedoms.

Stop being so afraid and have some confidence in our country and what it stands for.

Speak & Rich,
Yeah, that was some pretty good Poping by Francis!

Posted by: phx8 at December 18, 2014 11:01 AM
Comment #386739

Rich writes; “Royal,

Please, do you actually think that we are concerned with a 9/11 from Cuba? That Cuba is funding such an effort or conspiring with some terrorist group to carry out such an attack?

The designation of Cuba on the State Department terrorist list is a political issue not one of reality.”

Hmmm…are you telling us that political issues are not reality? LOL

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 18, 2014 11:06 AM
Comment #386740

So far, so good. As of this writing I have not read of any riots, looting, or hooliganism by the Cuban community in Florida. Perhaps some of our other minority groups could take a lesson from their restraint.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 18, 2014 11:15 AM
Comment #386741

Currently there are four countries designated as State Sponsors of Terrorism: Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria. Which one will our exalted leader strike from the list next?

Perhaps obama can replace Cuba on the list with Israel. I am certain that many on the left would hail that action as appropriate.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 18, 2014 11:21 AM
Comment #386742

The difference between Cuba and other communists dictatorships is that Cuba is 90 miles off our coast. History has taught us that they tried to set up nuke sites with missiles aimed at the US. Every penny that goes to Cuba, goes to their communist government and military. What we have in Cuba is a real trickle down effect. US dollars to the Cuban government and pennies going to the people. Is the left now in favor of trickle down economics? Once again, the left is on the wrong ide of history. I guess the Democrat Party has looked at the polls, and decided the Cuban-America vote is not worth trying to save. As I said, another Obama diversion tactic. While the press is talking 24 hours a day about Cuba; Obama’s slight of hand will be violating the Constitution somewhere else.

Posted by: Sam Jones at December 18, 2014 11:40 AM
Comment #386743

Here’s another interesting thought. We now know it was the Pope who was the middle man and brokered the deal between the US and Cuba. So we have the Pope negotiating US policy. I haven’t heard any cries from the left about the separation between church and state. Much like Sharpton and Jackson spending time with Obama to set government policy; it’s only a violation of church and state if conservative evangelicals are involved. I just wonder what the comments from the left would be; if we had a Republican president and Franklin Graham was negotiating between the US and Ukraine for the increase of US aid and weapons to fight against Russia? Would the left say, Graham has no right to involve himself in US foreign policy?

Posted by: Sam Jones at December 18, 2014 11:52 AM
Comment #386744

I would have supported the continuation until the Castro boys left the building, but I don’t have a problem with this decision either. This helps Cubans and the Castro boys a whole lot more than it helps us or the exile community in Fla, and the only reason he’s doing it is to probably get a badly needed win with JayZ and wife.


I’ve lived my whole life without anything coming from Cuba save an occasional cigar so I doubt it will change things much for me or for most all other Americans for that matter. But if the people of Cuba are better off then it’s probably a good thing.

Posted by: George in SC at December 18, 2014 1:08 PM
Comment #386746

Sam,
“Al Qaida just murdered 140 children in Pakistan…”

Sorry it was the Taliban.

“The difference between Cuba and other communists dictatorships is that Cuba is 90 miles off our coast. History has taught us that they tried to set up nuke sites with missiles aimed at the US.”

Sorry wrong again. Those were Soviet missiles on Soviet trucks with Soviet technicians, and when they were dismantled they went back to the Soviet Union on Soviet ships.

“Here’s another interesting thought. We now know it was the Pope who was the middle man and brokered the deal between the US and Cuba. So we have the Pope negotiating US policy. I haven’t heard any cries from the left about the separation between church and state…”

So I can only assume that you were cool with Reagan courting Pope JP 2 for his support of our foreign policy in Eastern Europe, you know, the one leading up to the fall of the Soviet Union.

Hypocrites.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at December 18, 2014 3:10 PM
Comment #386747

Rich

The lesson from the Cubans is to keep it simple. The Cuban doctors are sort of like nurse practitioners. Authoritarian regimes can organize those sorts of corps. They worry little about lawyers or complaints. They also pay them almost nothing, which is why they escape when they can.

Cuba is still very backward, as we are all about to learn when it opens up and we see the appalling poverty and oppression. Recall that in 1960 Cuba was a high-income more developed country among those in Latin America and the Caribbean.

Sam

I am sure those suffering under the Cuban despots would disagree with me and they would be right to do so. But I have to think of what works best for the U.S. and how we can help these poor benighted people in the long run.

Re Cuba being a threat - maybe my mistake is the utter contempt I have for the Castro regime. W/o the backing of some bigger power, the Castro boys would screw up a wet dream. They are nasty, but incompetent.

Posted by: C&J at December 18, 2014 3:22 PM
Comment #386750

Everyone is acting like the whole world has had an embargo against Cuba. The only country with a trade embargo against Cuba was the US. Therefore, if Cuba’s economy as failed, it was not because of embargos. The failure of Cuba’s economy is the result of communism. Communism always fails. The big test will be in a year or two; after Obama lifts the trade embargo. All the talk about how much better off the Cuban people will be is only talk; they won’t be any better off in two years than they are now. The sad thing is, the Cuban people of little Havana understand this. It’s a military state with a dictator. If the Castro’s die, another military dictator will simply step up to the plate. All Obama is going to do is put more American dollars into the communist coffers. That is, if Obama actually completes what he has started. As of this point, six years into his presidency, Obama has never completed any project he started. But, once again, the left is always on the wrong side of history.

Posted by: Sam Jones at December 18, 2014 4:58 PM
Comment #386751

Rocky Marks, what does it matter, Al Qaida or the Taliban; they’re both rag head terrorist groups and they killed 140 children. And your side still does not consider the murders of 140 children any different than EITs.

Secondly, the nuke missiles were Soviet, but were to be placed in Cuba with the full knowledge and complicity of the communist regime of Castro.

Rather than try to have a conversation; you use the typical word semantics of the left. I guess this make you feel corps d’elite or better yet, haut monde.

Posted by: Sam Jones at December 18, 2014 5:19 PM
Comment #386752

Won’t be to long and we will routinely going to Cuba to get medical work done at a reasonable rate.

Hey C&J where is my earlier comment on this thread, it had links in it so it was held up.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 18, 2014 5:20 PM
Comment #386754

j2t2

Re links - I don’t touch that stuff. I am happily luddite when it comes to the finer points of editing.

Re medical tourism - probably right. It is the same principle of outsourcing manufacturing to places where they work cheaper.

I had a lot of dental work done in Brazil. It cost less than half of what I would have paid in the U.S. Most other things are more expensive, but professional services are a good deal.

Posted by: C&J at December 18, 2014 5:50 PM
Comment #386755

Sam,

“Rather than try to have a conversation; you use the typical word semantics of the left.”

So what you’re saying is that you didn’t understand what I said.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at December 18, 2014 6:15 PM
Comment #386756

From the look of the teeth of Alan Gross; he definitely had not seen any of the great Cuban dental work. He looked like he had lost most of his teeth during his captivity.

Won’t be to long and we will routinely going to Cuba to get medical work done at a reasonable rate.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 18, 2014 5:20 PM

Why would Americans wan to go to Cuba; Obama has promised the American people the best medical services in the world…at a very reasonable rate. That is…unless you are saying that Obama was lying.

Posted by: Sam Jones at December 18, 2014 6:16 PM
Comment #386757

No Rocky, what I am saying is you would rather talk liberal trash than actually engage in a conversation. But this is typical of the left. Your side is so used to talking trash, you don’t really know how to have a conversation; so I was not surprised at your lack of understanding.

Posted by: Sam Jones at December 18, 2014 6:19 PM
Comment #386758

Sam

Of course the Cubans evidently have a good weight loss program.

Posted by: C&J at December 18, 2014 6:32 PM
Comment #386759

Sam,

Could it be possible you might be wrong?

The Taliban ruled Afghanistan before we invaded and al Quaida merely trained in Afghanistan, true or false.

Cuba was a Soviet satellite and thus under their domination during the “Cuban” missile crisis”, true or false.

Ronald Reagan courted Pope John Paul 2 for his support against the Soviet Bloc in Eastern Europe, true or false.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at December 18, 2014 6:54 PM
Comment #386761
Re links - I don’t touch that stuff. I am happily luddite when it comes to the finer points of editing.

Convenient C&J. My comment was held can’t you release it?

Why would Americans wan to go to Cuba;

Because insurance companies will save tons of money.

Obama has promised the American people the best medical services in the world…at a very reasonable rate.

Sam, Do you have an actual quote from Obama or is this BS conservative rhetoric?

That is…unless you are saying that Obama was lying.

Nah I don’t think it is Obama that is lying Sam.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 18, 2014 7:57 PM
Comment #386762

Never mind C&J, here is my comment that was held minus the links.

If the US Chamber of Commerce had suggested this what would your opinion be?

Here we go again, conservative logic at work, this ranks with “what if a terrorist had an atomic bomb in Los Angeles would torture be ok then” for illogical reasoning.

Who cares what the CoC thinks about diplomatic relations with Cuba and why is it relevant,Royal.

Punish our police and reward a country on our State Sponsored Terrorist list.

Well that didn’t take long Royal. Is there no end to the illogical reasoning? These two things have zero in common and this argument is less relevant than the CoC line if that is possible.

With Cuba in the orbit, maybe our liberal friends will lighten up on the abuse accusations in the U.S. In Cuba such things are every-day procedures.

Abuse accusations are every day procedures in Cuba! How proud conservatives must be of the Cuban police forces. The problem we have in this country is the abuse of force by police is an everyday occurrence in some police departments and people don’t like it. Why should they, so we can be more like Cuba?

C&J despite this comment it seems you are more enlightened on the Cuba issue than most conservatives, good for you. Watching Marco Rubio on TV yesterday I was amazed he didn’t realize we have diplomatic relations with China and Saudi Arabia, a communist dictatorship and a monarchy. He believes Cuba should be a democracy before we normalize relations with them, and he wants to be president! Must have forgot the other choice his parents had, the dictatorship we helped prop up before Castro overthrew Batista.

From Wikipedia-/Fulgencio_Batista
“He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans.[5] Batista’s increasingly corrupt and repressive government then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba’s commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships with the American mafia, who controlled the drug, gambling, and prostitution businesses in Havana, and with large multinational American corporations that had invested considerable amounts of money in Cuba.”

Seems to me conservatives want to continue what hasn’t worked the past 50 years with Cuba for reasons that only they can…. oh wait I guess this says it all, Batista was a conservative or fascist but then there is little difference, these days,it seems. I guess that kinda explains why Royal thought the CoC should be on board before we establish diplomatic ties with Cuba.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 18, 2014 8:10 PM
Comment #386764

j2t2

Re Cuba - yes, I think that Obama and I are on the same page. The Cuban regime just doesn’t matter much anymore. I know they are bad guys, but as you say we have relations with lots of bad guys.


Re comments - I can’t see it. When I get on the site all I see “non spam” comments. like this.


Status Comment Commenter Entry/Page Date
Published Sam, Could it be possible you might be wrong? The Taliban ruled Afghanistan before we invaded and al Quaida merely trained in Afghanistan, true or false. Cuba was a Soviet satellite and thus under their domination during the “Cuban” missile crisis”, true or false. Ronald Reagan courted Pope John Paul 2 for his support against the Soviet Bloc in Eastern Europe, true or false. Rocky
Edit | Reply Rocky Marks Obama did good on Cuba 55 minutes ago
Published Sam Of course the Cubans evidently have a good weight loss program.
Edit | Reply C&J Obama did good on Cuba 1 hour ago
Published No Rocky, what I am saying is you would rather talk liberal trash than actually engage in a conversation. But this is typical of the left. Your side is so used to talking trash, you don’t really know how to have a conversation; so I was not surprised at your lack of understanding.
Edit | Reply Sam Jones Obama did good on Cuba 1 hour ago
Published From the look of the teeth of Alan Gross; he definitely had not seen any of the great Cuban dental work. He looked like he had lost most of his teeth during his captivity. Won’t be to long and we will routinely going to Cuba to get medical work done at a reasonable rate. Posted by: j2t2 at December 18, 2014 5:20 PM Why would Americans wan to go to Cuba; Obama has promised the American people the best medical services in the world…at a very reasonable rate. That is…unless you are saying that Obama was lying.
Edit | Reply Sam Jones Obama did good on Cuba 1 hour ago
Published Sam, “Rather than try to have a conversation; you use the typical word semantics of the left.” So what you’re saying is that you didn’t understand what I said. Rocky
Edit | Reply Rocky Marks Obama did good on Cuba 1 hour ago
Published j2t2 Re links - I don’t touch that stuff. I am happily luddite when it comes to the finer points of editing. Re medical tourism - probably right. It is the same principle of outsourcing manufacturing to places where they work cheaper. I had a lot of dental work done in Brazil. It cost less than half of what I would have paid in the U.S. Most other things are more expensive, but professional services are a good deal.
Edit | Reply C&J Obama did good on Cuba 1 hour ago
Published Very true C&J, but it would be nice if people would base their ‘protests’ on reality. Come to think of it, it would also be nice if people didn’t ‘protest’ the rights of others. Liberalism, you gotta love it.
Edit | Reply kctim Constitutional right to p… 2 hours ago
Published Won’t be to long and we will routinely going to Cuba to get medical work done at a reasonable rate. Hey C&J where is my earlier comment on this thread, it had links in it so it was held up.
Edit | Reply j2t2 Obama did good on Cuba 2 hours ago

Posted by: C&J at December 18, 2014 8:15 PM
Comment #386794

C&J,

Navigate to the “Manage Comments” section of the Moveable Type site. On the right side there will be a box labelled “QuickFilters”. Click the filter labelled “Spam Comments”.

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 19, 2014 8:57 AM
Comment #386798

Never mind C&J, here is my comment that was held minus the links.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 19, 2014 9:55 AM
Comment #386803

A good piece of writing from WSJ.

Fidel Castro is a bad man who took an almost-paradise and turned it into a floating prison. In replacing a dictatorship whose corruption was happily leavened by incompetence, he created a communist totalitarian state that made everything in his country worse. He robbed it of wealth, beauty and potential freedom. He was also a thorn and a threat to the United States, which he hated and moved against in myriad ways. He did all this for more than half a century.

Soon he will die, and his brother supposedly has taken his place. That is a changed situation.

Posted by: C&J at December 19, 2014 5:45 PM
Comment #386806

Yes when wealthy landowners and large corporations corrupt government and use the government to repress the people bad things happen and as was the case in Cuba wrong choices were made about the system of government.

This country is heading down the same path with the wealthy and large corporations buying our elected officials. Seems to me these same players are doing to us what they did to Cuba after WWII.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 19, 2014 6:32 PM
Comment #386807

j2t2

Even if we grant your dubious premise, the Cuba example would teach us that it gets a lot worse when we get the revolution.

Posted by: C&J at December 19, 2014 6:52 PM
Comment #386809

Whats so dubious C&J? Do you think the wiki quote from above is wrong?

“He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans.[5] Batista’s increasingly corrupt and repressive government then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba’s commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships….. with large multinational American corporations that had invested considerable amounts of money in Cuba.”

Do you think the corporations in this country today are not one and the same as the corporations of that time?

Posted by: j2t2 at December 19, 2014 8:53 PM
Comment #386838

j2t2

Actually, they are not one and the same.

Beyond that, we Americans have mechanisms to change. And we are too smart to seek revolution. We saw what happened in Cuba, Russia, China …

Posted by: C&J at December 20, 2014 10:19 PM
Comment #386842
Actually, they are not one and the same.

Explain

we Americans have mechanisms to change.

Yes a saving grace it is. But the mechanism to change is becoming more and more diminished as the wealthy and the corporations increasingly continue to but our elected officials.

And we are too smart to seek revolution.

Or not smart enough to do so. What with the growth of the police state since the Reagan revolution and the rise of the oligarchy perhaps fear accompanies the ignorance, who knows.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/les-leopold/are-we-the-worlds-most-an_b_6328552.html

http://www.alternet.org/economy/6-step-process-dispose-poor-half-america

Posted by: j2t2 at December 21, 2014 11:02 AM
Comment #386844

I find it mind-boggling that North Korea was taken off of America’s State Department list of sponsors of “State Terrorism.”

Ironically, Bush II was the one who lifted the designation — much to the chagrin of one Dick Cheney!

Btw, I am all for the Cuban embargo lifting. Fidel is older than Father Time. His brother-in-crime Raul, as well as Fidel himself, has been softening their policies on their citizens over the last decade or so.

They are ready to finally ‘give it up.” Btw, the Castro’s don’t have a psycho lineage like the Kim Jung il and un dictators do!

Free market capitalism, even within the confines of a Communist Regime is healthy, Civil liberties generally follow.

To be sure, I am not naïve to believe corruption and other issues won’t remain.

If we don’t jump in, some other tyrant nation will. Cuba is 90 miles from Florida. Let’s get a strong foothold now.

Posted by: Kevin L. Lagola at December 21, 2014 4:08 PM
Comment #386857

j2t2

Revolutions have a bad track record. I can think of only two that really had a decent result: ours and the Glorious Revolution. Perhaps the key to the success in both those cases was that the “revolutionaries” showed significant restraint.

I don’t think you know what hard times look like. Americans have not experienced world class hard times in our lifetimes. Ours is a country where the leading problems of the poor are lifestyle related obesity and diabetes.

Posted by: C&J at December 22, 2014 10:38 AM
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