Different Democrats

An interesting article about how the Democrats have changed since the New Deal. It makes a lot of sense. I grew up in a Democratic family, in a Democratic city with Democratic traditions. We revered the memory of FDR. The Kennedys were like gods. We didn’t know any Republicans, although we suspected my father’s boss was one. Most of my relatives in this generation are Republicans. What happened?

The article tracks with my perception. Democrats abandoned a strong defense posture. They became the party of special interests and the party of victims. Democrats used to be the party of the working man. Today they are the party of the non-working person on one side and the rich media types on the other.

Anyway, read the article and comment.

Posted by Christine & John at December 9, 2014 10:37 PM
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Comment #386496

Democrats have definitely changed. They have gone from the party of using government to ‘help,’ to the party of using government to oppress and control its people. To dictate how people behave, what they believe and how they live their lives. All to transform the nation into something it was never meant to be.

Liberalism has torn this country apart, and liberalism will eventually destroy it.

Posted by: kctim at December 11, 2014 11:51 AM
Comment #386534

A good and true post. The link to the article was very interesting. It caused me to see a few things I had never considered before. Thanks

I agree with kctim.

Posted by: Sam Jones at December 11, 2014 8:11 PM
Comment #386585

Judging from the spending bill it seems to me there is less than a nickels difference between the two parties. When the “Marxist Kenyan Muslim” president teams up with Dimon and Boehner to pass the Wall Street giveaway it is hard to see any difference between the two.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/12/how-a-gift-to-wall-street_n_6317868.html

Posted by: j2t2 at December 13, 2014 1:30 PM
Comment #386588

Phx8

I think this is an example of bipartisanship. The middle teamed up against the extremes. As in politics, nobody really likes the result, but both sides figure it is the best they can do at this time. It is a good sign.

BTW - you should probably lay out the teams a little better. Obama and Dimon have long been on the same team. They are fighting against Nancy Pelosi and Elizabeth Warren.

Posted by: C&J at December 13, 2014 2:42 PM
Comment #386601

A bipartisan Wall street giveaway is exactly my point, Jim. It seems the only difference between the two parties anymore is what corporations hold the reigns of the party. While Dimon may be an Obama supporter lets not fool ourselves into believing repubs don’t lead the way in taking bribes..er…um contributions from their Wall St. benefactors.


Posted by: j2t2 at December 13, 2014 5:54 PM
Comment #386604

Phx8

Dimon is one of the Democrats, as are many from Wall Street. Democrats score big with unions, trial lawyers and the entertainment industry. We assume Americans contribute to those who they think are doing the best for the country and their interests.

I don’t know exactly what is in the bill. I don’t suppose anybody has really read the thing. It funds the government and was passed in a bipartisan way in the house. The Tea Party people don’t like it and the leftist Dems don’t like it. That is the nature of compromise. It is good if we get people compromising. Isn’t that been the problem you were complaining about these past six years?

Posted by: C&J at December 13, 2014 6:28 PM
Comment #386614

I don’t think the democrat voters are as educated as they once were. It shows in some of the less than educated people they elect to help steer this country. Truly a sad situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg#t=19

Posted by: dbs at December 14, 2014 8:54 AM
Comment #386617

Yes B&J that is what repubs would have us think but the truth is Dimon through the corporation he runs gives more to repubs than to the dems.
Yes this is bipartisan giving especially when they get laws enacted in this bipartisan cronybus bill that favor them. Laws that have nothing to do with the budget yet are no passable on a stand alone basis so they get hid in the spending bill.


“JPMorgan’s giving record, however, is much more focused on Republicans, with 62 percent of its donations going to GOP recipients this cycle.”

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2014/12/wall-streets-omnibus-triumph-and-others/

Posted by: j2t2 at December 14, 2014 11:34 AM
Comment #386620

For anyone who hasn’t seen it, here is a link to the amazing speech given by Senator Elizabeth Warren the other night. Democrats haven’t changed at all; in fact, they are going back to the Teddy Roosevelt era of trustbusting:

Here are the first lines of the speech:

“Democrats don’t like Wall Street bailouts. Republicans don’t like Wall Street bailouts. The American people are disgusted by Wall Street bailouts

And yet here we are, five years after Dodd-Frank with Congress on the verge of ramming through a provision that would do nothing for the middle class, do nothing for community banks, do nothing but raise the risk that taxpayers will have to bail out the biggest banks once again…

So let me say this to anyone who is listening at Citi. I agree with you Dodd-Frank isn’t perfect. It should have broken you into pieces!”

Yeah!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/the-speech-that-could-make-elizabeth-warren-president_b_6319142.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Posted by: phx8 at December 14, 2014 12:45 PM
Comment #386623

dbs,
Congressman Hank Johnson is an intelligent man with a distinguished legal and political career behind him. Unfortunately, for a time he suffered from Hepatitis C, and that caused other complications, resulting in periods of confusion and slow slurred speech. It has since been cured, but the video from 2010 clearly shows he was going through a bad time with that illness.

He was an ill man at the time, and you should be ashamed for suggesting he is uneducated without looking into what actually happened.

Posted by: phx8 at December 14, 2014 2:01 PM
Comment #386626

When you see a person slurring their speech and saying nonsensical things, it should be obvious something is very wrong. It could be something like drugs or alcohol, but when it happens with an elderly person in a professional setting, it is likely that the person is suffering from a serious illness.

Most of us have encountered people in our lives who suffer from Alzheimer’s, strokes, forms of dementia, or others illnesses. The appropriate response is not to make fun of them for being uneducated, as if their illness were caused by their politics. Anyone with a shred of decency would respond with tolerance and compassion.

The incredibly awful, vile, and in some cases, blatantly racist comments posted by conservatives on that linked video, as well as Limbaugh’s youtube video when he also made fun of Johnson, are indelible tributes to just how low, how cruel, and how utterly lacking in simple human decency many conservatives have become.

Posted by: phx8 at December 14, 2014 2:31 PM
Comment #386627

phx8, If he was so ill that he was confused and slurring his speech, and speaking nonsense he should have taken a leave until he got better. We certainly don’t need someone so sick making policy for the country. If he is unwilling to do that, he deserves all the comments thrown at him.

Posted by: tdobson at December 14, 2014 2:53 PM
Comment #386630

tdobson,
Perhaps he should have taken a leave of absence. He did undergo a brutal series of treatments and was eventually cured. When Newsweek apologized for making fun of the bizarre comments, they wrote:

“The Lithonia Democrat’s already-thin frame has shed 30 pounds in the past year. His speech is slower than ever, and he regularly gets lost in thought in the middle of a discussion. He is easily fatigued and often impatient and irritable … To keep the disease in remission, Johnson is going through an experimental treatment that he said has been the worst part so far.”

“I am weaker than I ever have been,” Johnson, 55, said in his Capitol Hill office.”

That was in 2010. In 2012 a cure was developed.

Do you really think Johnson deserves the comments thrown at him? Do you really think it is ok to call a sick man uneducated? And if you look at the comments section of the linked youtube video… you think he deserves these comments? Here are just a few examples:

“This is the cream of the crop for blacks. This is a black “leader.” He is among the smartest they have to offer.”

“So the obvious problem here is that a retarded Negro…”

“It is utterly disgusting that in this WHITE country settled and founded by white geniuses for white people that these simians have been allowed into our government.”

(This comment goes downhill from there)

Well, that’s enough of that. And no, tdobson, sick people do not deserve insulting comments thrown at them, never mind racist or hateful ones.

Posted by: phx8 at December 14, 2014 3:07 PM
Comment #386632

phx8
He shouldn’t have made the comments if he wasn’t well. As I said, he should have taken a leave.
How many derogatory comments were made about Ronald Raegan AFTER he wad diagnosed with alzerhimers? Did you condemn them?

Posted by: tdobson at December 14, 2014 3:17 PM
Comment #386633

Sorry about the spelling. I’m feeling a little ill today so maybe nobody will complain

Posted by: tdobson at December 14, 2014 3:19 PM
Comment #386634

I don’t recall hearing derogatory comments about Reagan because of his mental lapses. There was a widespread assumption he had Alzheimer’s by the end of this second term, but he was not officially diagnosed until 1994.

He did, however, have a propensity for gaffes before that time that were not attributed to mental diminishment, but just a willingness to believe things that were not true.

I wonder how much of Reagan’s behavior at the end of his second term could be attributed to Alzheimer’s? On the advice of the White House astrologer, Reagan refused to publicly address the issue of Iran/Contra for three months.

Posted by: phx8 at December 14, 2014 3:33 PM
Comment #386635

And I don’t recall any derogatory comments about Johnson BECAUSE of his illness.

You have said on here that you were a bombardier on a B-52. Did you ever drop any bombs on an enemy? Would you do so while you were so sick that you were confused and slurring your speech? Would the commander of the aircraft allowed you to do so in that condition?

Posted by: tdobson at December 14, 2014 3:43 PM
Comment #386636

tdobson,
Although I was qualified for conventional weapons, I spent my time on nuclear alert, so, no, I never dropped any bombs or missiles. Because of the sensitivity of the position, I was monitored under PRP, the Personnel Reliability Program, and was also required to be in good enough health to fly. If I were to suffer the same illness as Hank Johnson, I would have not been allowed on a plane or on nuclear alert.

As for derogatory comments, I think the assumption by dbs that Johnson typifies how ‘Democrats are not as educated as they once were’ qualifies. No one ever suggested Reagan’s symptoms of Alzheimer’s at the end of his second term were a sign he was uneducated.

Posted by: phx8 at December 14, 2014 4:37 PM
Comment #386637

And it could be argued that his not taking a leave when he was so incapacitated and doing the important job of legislating indicates a lack of education or intelligence.

Posted by: tdobson at December 14, 2014 4:47 PM
Comment #386638

oh brother.

Posted by: phx8 at December 14, 2014 5:14 PM
Comment #386640

“oh brother.”

phx8,

Crazy. Why anyone would continue in that vein is flabbergasting.

Posted by: Rich at December 14, 2014 6:16 PM
Comment #386642

Yeah it’s crazy. I think it’s crazy to defend a congressman who is as dumb as Hank Johnson appears to be.

Posted by: tdobson at December 14, 2014 6:36 PM
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