Being grateful for the Koch Brothers

Mother Jones is not a magazine to praise the Koch brothers. In fact they wrote an article that they must have thought trashed the hapless brothers. They showed the horror that the Kochs gave $25,000,000 to the United Negro College Fund; 100,000,000 to Lincoln Center. Here is the Lincoln Center schedule. Which of these “right wing” productions frighten you most? $67,000,000 to the Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. Surely, they target cancers only on the left side. $50,000,000 to the Museum of Natural History. You could really accuse them of supporting dinosaurs there.

We could be upset that the Koch brothers have so much money and I am sure that is what Mother Jones intends. But it is hard to call them greedy when they give so much of their money away. And giving money to fighting cancer, supporting the Lincoln center or giving a pile of money to the Museum of Natural history cannot be political.

Actually, a $15 million donation created the David H. Koch Hall of Human Origins, which opened in 2010. I went there the other day and saw lots of people that reminded me of liberals. Maybe that was part of his nefarious plan. I bet the guy on the left doesn't have the photo ID he needs to vote and the one at the bottom cannot find the polling place.


Perhaps our leftist friends can eschew any cancer treatments developed with the dirty Koch money. They can not let their kids go to the Museum of Natural History and maybe can offer to pay extra if they go to Lincoln Center.

Those scheming Koch brothers even gave $23,000,000 to PBS. Now there is a right wing organization if there ever was one.

Posted by Christine & John at November 10, 2014 8:26 PM
Comments
Comment #385223

How come Obama’s face is not in the picture, the gene pool looks similar.

Posted by: Bill at November 10, 2014 10:26 PM
Comment #385229

The comment above is disgusting and should be removed.

Hand over heart and head bowed in honor of members of our Armed Forces who didn’t make it back for this Veterans Day. We will never forget, thank you. And thank you to all who have served our country and are here to appreciate the freedoms others gave the ultimate sacrifice to maintain. You honor us with your presence.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 11, 2014 9:58 AM
Comment #385230

Speaks,
For the first time I agree 100% with you. The comment above was meant to demean our president and I will condem it. I disagree with just about all of Obama’s policies, but I will not demean him as a person.

Posted by: tdobson at November 11, 2014 10:15 AM
Comment #385231

Re the gene poor - lighten up guys. ALL those hominids are part of our gene pool. That Neanderthal man in the top right is probably my distant grandfather.

The comment was a bit off topic, but so far nobody has actually addressed the topic at all.

Posted by: C&J at November 11, 2014 10:24 AM
Comment #385232

I don’t care to address the topic. Your snide remarks about the pictures depicting liberals is what provoked the stupid comment about our President. You should be ashamed of yourself for making that reference and provoking someone with less intelligence than the members of the picture. I expected more from you but ever since you went from Jack to the C/J, Christine & John nonsense I have been very disappointed by some of your postings. Lighten up my ass.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 11, 2014 10:40 AM
Comment #385233

SO C&J it seems to me you have to resort to the gene pool thing because of the faulty logic this propaganda piece uses to prop up the Koch Bros. Your logic is this, forget about the killings… John Wayne Gacy was a clown that entertained children at birthday parties…

Or… forget about the concentration camps, Hitler was honored with two iron crosses for bravery in WWI.

Takes a real Koch sucker to use this type of logic IMHO. Here is some advice from Buffet conservatives-

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html?_r=1&

Posted by: j2t2 at November 11, 2014 11:15 AM
Comment #385234

Yes I agree the first comment was a bit nasty. Speaks to some the picture depicts what some would say is all our relatives not just you libs. That being said more on topic, IMO most people who project the Koch brothers as just REPUBLICAN political donors don’t look at all the HUMANITARIAN things they also donate to they only reflect on the political side. It would be beneficial to both sides to look at ALL of what a person or persons do with their money before condemning them for their political donations.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at November 11, 2014 11:16 AM
Comment #385235

KAP, read the link and you will see it is doing just what you have suggested, looking at all of their donations, yet C&J chooses to belittle Mother Jones for doing so.

That being said their political donations, especially when done in secret is telling. They deserve much shame for funding anti democracy, anti liberty causes IMHO.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 11, 2014 11:27 AM
Comment #385236

j2, I read the link and yes mother Jones was doing just that looking at all their donations. I was referring to the Jack Ass’ that condemn them for their political donations. Both sides are guilty of doing dubious things with their money not just the Right.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at November 11, 2014 12:25 PM
Comment #385237

j2t2

You should lighten up too. You have said lots of hurtful things about the Koch brothers and conservatives. I just make fun of you right back and don’t get insulted. I suggest you do the same. Besides, I did not mention gene pools in my post.

Re “belittling Mother Jones” - perhaps I was mistaken in believing that Mother Jones was against the Koch brothers. Perhaps they have succeeded in showing what great guys the Koch brothers really are.

So we all agree that the Kochs are mostly a force for good, even if they make some big political donations that some of us don’t like.

Posted by: C&J at November 11, 2014 2:36 PM
Comment #385239

I don’t see Republicans getting up in front of the nation and denouncing George Soros and his political contributions.

Republicans have more class, I guess. Or, they understand what free speech is.


Posted by: Weary Willie at November 11, 2014 2:46 PM
Comment #385240

As for the Koch brothers, I will abide by what that well known liberal political pundit Lawrence O’Donnell said about them “You can be outraged by what the Koch brothers do with their money in politics and you can appreciate what they contribute to hospitals and medical research, and you can do that at the same time and still retain an ability to function,” O’Donnell said.

Mr. O’Donnell spent a significant amount of time at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York City recovering after a car accident in Ireland. David Koch made a generous donation of $25,000,000 to the hospital prior to his stay with them, the largest donation they have ever received.

Something about a camel and the eye of a needle comes to mind.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 11, 2014 3:07 PM
Comment #385241
You should lighten up too. You have said lots of hurtful things about the Koch brothers and conservatives. I just make fun of you right back and don’t get insulted. I suggest you do the same.

C&J, I realize that you are poking fun, the same as I am and am not in the least bit insulted.


Re “belittling Mother Jones” - perhaps I was mistaken in believing that Mother Jones was against the Koch brothers. Perhaps they have succeeded in showing what great guys the Koch brothers really are.

They may well be against the Koch Bros, I certainly hope so. But C&J the point is the article you linked to showed some of the other things the Koch Bros spend their money on, just a factual bit on them, IMHO. As far as great guys please reread my previous post re John Wayne Gacy.


So we all agree that the Kochs are mostly a force for good, even if they make some big political donations that some of us don’t like.

No they aren’t C&J their roots are in the extremist JBS and they work to keep the middle class poor and the government under the rule of plutocrats.

I don’t see Republicans getting up in front of the nation and denouncing George Soros and his political contributions.

Weary, amongst those groups named in the link you provided were there any political groups creating attack ads against candidates, as Rove and the Koch Bros were doing, in the 2014 election

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

Posted by: j2t2 at November 11, 2014 3:24 PM
Comment #385242

“Using marijuana at an early age could have long-term consequences on your brain and it may even lower your IQ, according to a new study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Researchers found that compared to nonusers, people who smoked marijuana starting as early as age 14 have less brain volume, or gray matter, in the orbitofrontal cortex. That’s the area in the front of your brain that helps you make decisions.”

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/10/health/pot-and-your-brain/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29

Finally, an explanation of why some of the bloggers here seem so brain-challenged. I may one of the few on WB who has NEVER used the stuff.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 11, 2014 3:54 PM
Comment #385243

More humiliation for our liberal friends.

ObamaCare architect says lack of transparency helped law pass, cites ‘stupidity of the American voter’

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/11/obamacare-architect-lack-transparency-was-key-because-stupidity-american/

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 11, 2014 3:58 PM
Comment #385244

The Koch brothers are not candidates. There’s a big difference between attacking a candidate for his views and attacking a citizen for theirs.

What would you do if I used my money and position to attack you?

I hope Rush Limbaugh is successful with his libel suit against the Democratic Party. Somebody needs to stand up against the lies and slander of the left.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 11, 2014 4:24 PM
Comment #385246

I do not understand the hatred the left has for the Koch brothers. The comments by j2t2 are infantile and completely uncalled for; but children will be children.

I have no hatred or disrespectful comments for George Soros even though he supports liberal Democrat politicians and has spent millions trying to abolish American’s 2bd Amendment rights.

I certainly believe the Koch brothers should be commended for their support of humanitarian efforts. One must also remember that it is conservatives who give more to charity than liberals.

Posted by: Sam Jones at November 11, 2014 4:52 PM
Comment #385247
The Koch brothers are not candidates. There’s a big difference between attacking a candidate for his views and attacking a citizen for theirs.

No they are not candidates, but they use fronts and dark money to perpetuate myth, misinformation half truths and outright lies to attack those running for office. Why should I or any other citizen not tell truth to power? Is it only billionaires whom you deem to have free speech rights Weary? I mean 4600 ads bought by Koch Bros dark money machine by August in Colorado alone Weary!

Sam, why is it you find it acceptable for C&J to make crude comments about liberals but then call me names for doing the same? After all we were both just poking fun why take sides?

One must also remember that it is conservatives who give more to charity than liberals.

Only if you count tithing to churches as charity Sam.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 11, 2014 6:01 PM
Comment #385248

I’ll bet they beat liberals in tithing to churches, also!

jt2t, and Democratics don’t!? Ha, that a funny one!

The Democratic’s obsession with the Koch brothers in a perfect example of how they kill the messenger to promote their position.

Try having some ideas you can openly support, instead of assassinating the character of those who disagree with you.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 11, 2014 6:12 PM
Comment #385249

OOPS! Fat fingered your moniker! Sorry j2t2!

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 11, 2014 6:14 PM
Comment #385250

I find it odd that the liberals condemn the people who donate money to the causes of the Right but have no problem getting donations for their causes. Liberals outspent conservatives this midterm yet lost, millions were spent by special interest groups {UNIONS} trying to oust Gov. Walker. The left has NO PROBLEM with their donations from people like Soros yet condemn the Right receiving donations from people like the Koch brothers.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at November 11, 2014 6:19 PM
Comment #385252

j2t2, I re-read C&J’s comments and found no crude comments. Perhaps you could explain. But I did find your comments about the Koch brothers as offensive. Whether kidding or not.

What is dark money? Is it money that is earned at night?

Is tithing at churches considered charitable contributions? Or have I been cheating on my income taxes like most of the government employees in DC?

Posted by: Sam Jones at November 11, 2014 7:12 PM
Comment #385253

This whole discussion is completely pointless.

Posted by: Warren Porter at November 11, 2014 7:35 PM
Comment #385254

j2t2

Re John Wayne Gacey - I never liked clowns and I don’t know that he was a great guy. I would be suspicious of an older, single guy who played clowns and liked to be around little boys. A little off topic - There is an interesting study of him. He is a true sociopath. He enjoyed molesting boys. He really didn’t enjoy killing them. But he made a logical choice, figuring that his odds of getting caught were less if he killed them after he molested them. The mad man is not the one who has lost his reason, but the one that has lost everything else except his reason.

Royal

Re pot - I think it is bad for you but should not be illegal. As with booze, the cost of making illegal outweigh the costs it would impose if legal and regulated.

I have never smoked pot; I have never smoked anything. I just hate the idea of smoking.

Rick KAP

We should get used to calling him President Walker as soon as we are done with the present one.

Posted by: C&J at November 11, 2014 7:39 PM
Comment #385261
j2t2, I re-read C&J’s comments and found no crude comments. Perhaps you could explain. But I did find your comments about the Koch brothers as offensive. Whether kidding or not.

Perhaps Sam you are just a bit more sensitive to crude comments about conservatives than you are about crude comments made by conservatives.

What is dark money? Is it money that is earned at night?

No Sam I think it is money spent at night. It’s the money conservatives claim to be free speech but we don’t know who it is talking.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2014/11/latest-candidate-must-have-your-very-own-dark-money-group/

Is tithing at churches considered charitable contributions? Or have I been cheating on my income taxes like most of the government employees in DC?

Yes Sam contributions to churches are tax deductible. So when you take into account the money given to churches conservatives give more to “charity”. But the problem is the money given to churches doesn’t always go to charitable causes, unless you consider limo’s and 2k suits for TV preachers charitable. So take the church contributions out of the equation and it is liberals that give more to charity.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 12, 2014 9:07 AM
Comment #385262

How so Warren? The Koch Brothers are attacked left, right and sideways by the left, including being attacked on the Senate floor by the Senate Majority Leader, and C&J have pointed out that sometimes, in doing so, a little bit of the other side shows out.

The Koch family story is one of American success. Fred Koch was the son of an immigrant who graduated from MIT and help start an engineering company. When they invented a better way to refine gasoline big oil sued them out of business here but Fred prevailed by selling overseas. David and Charles, also an MIT grads, took what their father built and turned it in to the second largest private company in the U.S.

Koch has over 100k employees and revenue over $1B. I wonder how many tv’s, cars, houses, and appliances were bought with Koch payroll money? And yet Harry Ried calls them Un-American. I for one am glad that C&J pointed out some of their less known spending.

Posted by: George in SC at November 12, 2014 9:18 AM
Comment #385264

J2, Liberals give more OF OTHER PEOPLES MONEY to charity. That is more of a truer statement.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at November 12, 2014 10:16 AM
Comment #385265
So take the church contributions out of the equation and it is liberals that give more to charity.

A source for j2t2’s claim

George in SC,

If David Koch and his brother want to fund the sciences and humanities with the money they inherited, it isn’t any of my business. I won’t pass judgement on them other than to say that I disagree with their politics, which run against the 238 year tradition of American Liberalism.

Posted by: Warren Porter at November 12, 2014 10:54 AM
Comment #385270

238 years of liberalsim? Ha! Embellishing are we?

Try 100 years of liberalsim. Starting with Teddy Roosevelt.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 12, 2014 11:26 AM
Comment #385293

So now, j2t2 does not believe it’s right for pastors of churches to be paid or supported. I wonder if j2t2 has any problems with the finances of Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson?

Posted by: Sam Jones at November 12, 2014 1:12 PM
Comment #385295

I have a problem with anyone who claims to be intelligent, making crude remarks about any person. The comments about the Koch brothers are crude, and the insinuated comments about church pastors are also uncalled for. Not everyone is a crook j2t2. There are thousands of pastors who pastor small churches and live from one paycheck to another. They preach, feed the hungry, pray for the sick, conduct marriages and funerals, and many other tasks that no one else will do. When was the last time you held the hand of someone dying of cancer while the family stood around the bed?

Posted by: Sam Jones at November 12, 2014 1:19 PM
Comment #385299
J2, Liberals give more OF OTHER PEOPLES MONEY to charity. That is more of a truer statement.

Lets see KAP is that myth? misinformation? half truth? or an outright lie? I suppose you have some reliable source for this claim. You make it seem as if only conservatives earn money and pay taxes, but we all know that is just one more myth used by movement leaders to keep you guys mad and voting for them.

So now, j2t2 does not believe it’s right for pastors of churches to be paid or supported. I wonder if j2t2 has any problems with the finances of Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson?

Sam, such a long jump to a wrong headed conclusion. Go back and re-read what was said and then ask yourself if this is what I said.

I have a problem with anyone who claims to be intelligent, making crude remarks about any person. The comments about the Koch brothers are crude, and the insinuated comments about church pastors are also uncalled for. Not everyone is a crook j2t2.

Well Sam I have a problem with conservatives trying to tell me they give more to charity than liberals but they do it all the time. The remark I made was no more out of line than the implied remark C&J made or you telling us liberals hate the Koch Bros. I don’t hate them I just don’t like their buying of public officials. Hell we had 4600 ads in Colorado alone, by August of this year, paid for by these guys.

I don’t think all pastors, preacher or priests are crooks Sam. I never said that, you seem to be awful excited over this but all I did was point out why money given to a religious organization is not always used for charity.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 12, 2014 3:43 PM
Comment #385301

Weary Willie,

Liberalism traces its roots to the philosophy of John Locke. Last time I checked, Locke did not live in the last 100 years.

Sam Jones,

So now, j2t2 does not believe it’s right for pastors of churches to be paid or supported.

Where do you get this from? j2t2 said nothing of the sort. He only said that money donated to fund a pastor’s opulent lifestyle ought not be considered charity. I assume he believes the same regardless of the pastor’s politics.

I have a problem with anyone who claims to be intelligent, making crude remarks about any person.
So I take it that you will be equally offended the next time someone disparages the work ethic of welfare recipients? Posted by: Warren Porter at November 12, 2014 3:50 PM
Comment #385302

J2, Just to name a few sources, Daily Caller, Western Journalism, Boston Globe, Fiscal Times, and last but not least the liberal New York Times all claim liberals are stingy. But to be fair some sources said that Libs and Conservatives gave the same except in different areas but they didn’t elaborate on the areas. But that being said most sources also said that Liberals were more inclined for GOVERNMENT to be the charitable giver.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at November 12, 2014 4:07 PM
Comment #385303

Heh. That didn’t take long. Senator Landrieu (D, LA) and the Democrats want the GOP to vote on the Keystone Pipeline in the lame duck session. Democrats will attach it to a necessary bill and pass it- or maybe just hand it as a stand alone bill to the GOP- in order to give Landrieu a big legislative win prior to her run-off.

Oil is at $77.

Better hustle up on that vote, boys and girls, before the Canadian tar sand fields go bust.

Posted by: phx8 at November 12, 2014 4:33 PM
Comment #385304

Obama has been incredibly effective in the past few weeks. Here is what effective leadership looks like:

The Russian ruble is in free fall. Their economy will be entering a depression. When it comes to punishing the Russians for invading the Ukraine, it turns out there is more than one way to skin a bear.

With Ebola, Obama ignored popular demands to quarantine West Africa, and listened to the advice of scientists and epidemiologists, despite the fact it would hurt his party in the upcoming midterm. Governors Christie and LaPage ignored the science and bowed to popular opinion. Turns out Obama was right. Only the original guy from Liberia died of Ebola. Two nurses caught it and got better. One doctor caught it and is better too.

That is what effective leadership looks like.

The media and the GOP spread fear before the election re ebola, ISIS, and immigration. Since then, the leader of ISIS has been critically wounded, and the good guys have retaken a major city/refinery. ISIS is being degraded and destroyed.

That is what effective leadership looks like.

Have fun with the immigration executive order. Up to 9 million Hispanics are about to become citizens, and every one of them will hate conservatives. Go ahead and impeach Obama, as Representative Barton re-iterated yesterday. Go ahead. See if it helps.

And please, please, please, support Walker for president!

Posted by: phx8 at November 12, 2014 5:04 PM
Comment #385305

j2t2, this was your comment:

But the problem is the money given to churches doesn’t always go to charitable causes, unless you consider limo’s and 2k suits for TV preachers charitable.

And then you backtrack with this:

I don’t think all pastors, preacher or priests are crooks Sam. I never said that, you seem to be awful excited over this but all I did was point out why money given to a religious organization is not always used for charity.

You never said not all pastors are crooks; you made a blanket statement that preachers ride in limo’s and wear 2k suits. The number of TV preachers is a minute fraction of all pastors and preachers. j2t2, you made an insinuation and it came back to bite you. This is the problem with the left, they make blanket assumptions. Stephen Daugherty lumped me in with “you guys” in the liberal column. I have never had a conversation with Stephen Daugherty, to my knowledge; so how does he know what I believe.

Warren Porter wrote:

Where do you get this from? j2t2 said nothing of the sort. He only said that money donated to fund a pastor’s opulent lifestyle ought not be considered charity.

Warren Porter, are you familiar enough with j2t2 to know what he was implying? Why would he even bring up the subject of a minority of TV preachers, and imply all preachers, if it wasn’t to slur preachers? Why didn’t he include the excessive wages of leaders of the Red Cross, The United Way, or many other charitable organizations. J2t2 said what he said for a reason, and it’s a waste of time for you or anyone else to try to explain away what he meant. You sound like the Democrats trying to explain what Biden or Obama meant after they said it.

“Welfare Recipients”; I have not been on WB long enough to have heard any disparages. But Clinton and the Republican Congress produced Welfare Reform, for the purpose of making people who could, go to work. Was Bill Clinton being disparaging to force Welfare recipients to go to work?

Posted by: Sam Jones at November 12, 2014 6:07 PM
Comment #385314

KAP, Without links KAP those sources mean nothing. The link provided by Warren shows all of us give about the same if you exclude the amount going to churches. We all give our own money I don’t come and take yours and give it to some charity.That is what you said originally but it seems you are walking it back a bit after being called on it.

Even using the old line of “Liberals were more inclined for GOVERNMENT to be the charitable giver.” doesn’t work. Hell KAP percentage wise I bet I pay more taxes than the Koch Bros. It isn’t your money nor is it any conservatives money any more than it is my money.

So unless you can find some reliable source showing “Liberals give more OF OTHER PEOPLES MONEY to charity.” then we still need to chalk it up to just another conservative myth, misinformation half truth or outright lie used to dupe good Americans.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 12, 2014 6:28 PM
Comment #385315

here are some links

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at November 12, 2014 7:02 PM
Comment #385316

Well that didn’t work. I’m not knowledgeable on showing the links.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at November 12, 2014 7:07 PM
Comment #385317

Links lik text

Posted by: Rich APitan at November 12, 2014 7:17 PM
Comment #385320

J2t2 - Gas at $2.15. Unemployment at 4.5% and stock markets hitting all-time highs in the sixth year of his presidency, yet the president’s approval rating at less than 40% and his party taking a thumping at the polls. Some things don’t change.

Posted by: C&J at November 12, 2014 8:52 PM
Comment #385321

The American people are not as stupid as Obama and the Democrats think they are. Gas is down because America is producing more oil; and the American people know Obama has done whatever he could to shut down the production of fossil fuel. Unemployment numbers are false; the American people know they do not include the increase in part time work and those who have completely given up looking for a job. Obama’s approval ratings are down, the Democrat politicians approvals are down.

Posted by: Sam Jones at November 12, 2014 9:54 PM
Comment #385348
You never said not all pastors are crooks; you made a blanket statement that preachers ride in limo’s and wear 2k suits. The number of TV preachers is a minute fraction of all pastors and preachers. j2t2, you made an insinuation and it came back to bite you.

Sam where is this “blanket statement”? All I see is the statement I actually said “But the problem is the money given to churches doesn’t always go to charitable causes, unless you consider limo’s and 2k suits for TV preachers charitable.” No insinuation at all.

Seems pretty clear to me that it is you reading into what is being said to fit your own misconceptions. Please, don’t blame me or all of us on the left for that.

This is the problem with the left, they make blanket assumptions.

Why, isn’t that what you are doing Sam? Read the link Warren provided on the actual issue we are discussing , which as a reminder is the claim the conservatives give more to charity than liberals.

Stephen Daugherty lumped me in with “you guys” in the liberal column. I have never had a conversation with Stephen Daugherty, to my knowledge; so how does he know what I believe.

Well then go to the liberal column and ask him Sam but don’t try to find some sort of left wing conspiracy here because of it. Your allegation is wrong, incorrect, doesn’t hold water, I didn’t make the blanket statement you seem to think I did. It was but one example to clarify a point I was making, nothing more.

Warren Porter, are you familiar enough with j2t2 to know what he was implying?

He is Sam. Especially when nothing was implied. Seems to me for someone having such a hard time seeing what C&J was implying in the original post you sure are sensitive when it is a leftie opinionating.


Why would he even bring up the subject of a minority of TV preachers, and imply all preachers, if it wasn’t to slur preachers?

Sam time to stop and get a grip here my friend. Go back and read what was actually said, and trust me, if I was actually trying to slur all preachers it would have been very clear that was my intent. You act like these limo driving expensive suit wearing preachers don’t exist.

Why didn’t he include the excessive wages of leaders of the Red Cross, The United Way, or many other charitable organizations.

What excessive wages Sam and what does it have to do with tithing to churches? You seem to be missing the point entirely….


J2t2 said what he said for a reason, and it’s a waste of time for you or anyone else to try to explain away what he meant. You sound like the Democrats trying to explain what Biden or Obama meant after they said it.

Well it probably is a waste of time Sam but that’s on you. Ya see what I said doesn’t need explaining away. Sam you need to understand that it is you with the problem. Read what is said. You sound like a talk radio conservative taking things out of context so we have to explain what Biden or Obama said.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 13, 2014 2:13 AM
Comment #385349
J2t2 - Gas at $2.15. Unemployment at 4.5% and stock markets hitting all-time highs in the sixth year of his presidency, yet the president’s approval rating at less than 40% and his party taking a thumping at the polls. Some things don’t change.

C&J you probably meant your comment for phx8 but….
Yes the dems took a thumping at the polls but they lost where the candidates ran from the president. I know in Colorado I voted for a Unity Party candidate instead of Udall because he was such a chicken s**t and distanced himself from Obama. He didn’t run on the record you mentioned nor did he respond when the tea bagger Gardner dissed him for being partisan!

The dems deserved to lose and until they grow a spine at the national level I won’t vote for them.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 13, 2014 2:30 AM
Comment #385350
Obama’s approval ratings are down, the Democrat politicians approvals are down.

Sam, from your link-
“On the other hand, the American public does not admire Republicans more, their numerous election victories notwithstanding. Neither party can say it is making significant progress in improving its image among the U.S. population,…..”

Gas is down because America is producing more oil;

Spoken like a true Faux News watcher Sam, this is only 1 reason gas prices are down, here is a link for some additional info-
http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2014/1028/Why-are-oil-prices-falling-5-reasons-you-might-not-expect/US-oil-production-is-booming

and the American people know Obama has done whatever he could to shut down the production of fossil fuel.

What exactly has Obama done to shut down fuel production Sam, I mean exactly and please provide links.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 13, 2014 2:57 AM
Comment #385351
you made a blanket statement that preachers ride in limo’s and wear 2k suits

No, he didn’t. He said: “unless you consider limo’s and 2k suits for TV preachers charitable.”

Already, j2t2 has signaled he is talking about a minority of preachers by telling us he is talking about “TV preachers”, which are indeed a minority of all preachers.

are you familiar enough with j2t2 to know what he was implying?
It’s called reading comprehension. It’s a skill that I have and perhaps with practice you will develop it too. I’ve read j2t2’s writing for years. I can make reasonable guesses and assumptions. And if I am wrong, j2t2 is more than welcome to correct the record.
Why didn’t he include the excessive wages of leaders of the Red Cross, The United Way, or many other charitable organizations.
Because if j2t2 did, it would distract from his goal. He’s trying to push the buttons of thin-skinned conservatives like you.
Was Bill Clinton being disparaging to force Welfare recipients to go to work?
No he wasn’t.

I understand that you are new here, but I can tell you that other conservatives on WatchBlog have repeatedly generalized welfare recipients as lazy freeloaders when most are hard-working Americans who utilize public assistance for only short periods of time. This isn’t to say there aren’t any scofflaws who refuse to work and live off of Uncle Sam, but fortunately they are a rarity.
If you aren’t one of those conservatives, then I commend you for rising above the slander and vitriol. I hope that we can have many productive conversations in future. I will always try my best to avoid ad hominem attacks. This isn’t to say that I haven’t fallen short of my own ideals on occasion, but we are all humans that make mistakes.

Posted by: Warren Porter at November 13, 2014 6:28 AM
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I’d say this: You don’t get free points for essentially engineering the upper-class takeover of our Republic because you do a lot of charity in public. If they were willing to do the charity without trying to screw the rest of us out of a system we can have faith in, I’d like them better.

As for the rest? The problem for Republicans is that in the course of trying to outcompete the Democrats, they’ve come to believe that they’re such good people that they can afford to be obnoxious, offensive, and otherwise cruel and insulting, and their goodness will simply net out to transcend that.

Doesn’t work that way. The party that used to have a grandfatherly air to it when I was young now sounds like a frat party full of drunk teenagers.

They also sound much more dumb. I mean, “I’m not a scientist?” They might as well say, “I’m not a doctor, but I play one on TV,” while they’re at it. It wouldn’t hurt their credibility, at that point.

I think that whatever your party, science- and by that I mean, not that crap that comes from think-tanks paid to reach a certain opinion, but the real stuff- should determine the baseline for policy. Then you can use your politics to decide how you achieve the end that science tells you that you need to reach.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 13, 2014 7:27 AM
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Stephen

The Koch brothers are supporting real scientists and real doctors.

Even “scientists” are ignorant about most of their subjects. One of the problems is that when a scientist, maybe with a PhD in physics, gives opinions about biology. His opinion is no better than an average educated person.

Beyond that, as you well know, science is always in process. Sometimes people have practical experience that a credentialed “scientist” might lack. I know a lot about forestry in Virginia, for example. Sometimes I talk to scientists, i.e. academics. We learn from each other. The smart ones understand this is a two-way.

I think we need to make a distinction between being credentialed and being a scientist. We have wildlife biologist who come around to study things like quail. Some have advanced degrees, but no feel for the subject. I am sure they can write persuasively, but may not be right.

I am a credentialed and certified fire manager. I would not dare do anything with the knowledge w/o my local friends who really understand how it works.

Finally, science cannot decide anything. It can provide the background on which we can make decisions based on our judgement and values. Science can inform you about the tradeoffs, the benefits and costs, but somebody still has to make the decision. The scientist may not be the most appropriate decision maker.

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