No joy for Democrats

It could not be much worse for Democrats. They outspent Republicans and still lost, which seems to indicate that money cannot always buy victory. Now it is up to Republicans and Barack Obama. Both sides must work better together. I hope Republicans can do this; I have my doubts about Obama’s capacity for change but we can hope.

We should not read too much into these things. Just as in 2012 Romney COULD have won, the 2014 races could have gone in a different direction. But I think a few things are evident. The war on women theme and the race themes are not as effective as they were in 2008 and 2012. This is good. Maybe we can be less divisive.

Posted by Christine & John at November 4, 2014 11:36 PM
Comments
Comment #384965

Wow! Voters must have really been upset?!

Posted by: D.a.n at November 5, 2014 12:52 AM
Comment #384966

Let’s be honest, neither side has been known to compromise. If republicans see this as a blank check and Obama vetoes everything it will be 2 more years of nothing getting done. How sad that will be.

Posted by: Paul at November 5, 2014 7:40 AM
Comment #384967

The Republicans blew away the polls. You’re right C&J, the Walker win in WI was a great victory, and so were many more. The Republicans now control 32 out 50 governorships, a pick up in the House, and of course the control of the Senate. Now the question is; will the Democrats in the Senate us the filibuster (you know, the part of the Senate that Democrats hate and want to do away with), or will they work across the aisle? Except for PA, every governor that Obama campaigned for lost. The democrat Senators and House Repts ran as far as they could from Obama. There can be no doubt that this was a referendum on Obama’s liberal ideology. The most important thing is this is the death of the “war on women”, and Republicans want to steal old peoples SS. Next time, maybe the democrats will discuss the issues instead of the politics of personal destruction. The leftist will have to re-right the playbook again; “liberalism”, “progressivism”…what will leftist rename it to??? The unions lost Millions and millions of hard working peoples money…down the drain. I wonder what it’s like in the WH this morning???

Posted by: George at November 5, 2014 7:53 AM
Comment #384968

A couple of weeks ago, Rush Limbaugh said a sweep for the Republicans would mean nothing to the left. They are incapable of understanding the anger of the American people. Rush also said that the leftist MS media would come out wanting to know how far the Republicans would be willing to reach across the aisle to work with Obama. About 3 days ago Tom Brokaw asked that very question. The Republican Senators and Repts that have won and taken control have a mandate from the people that sent them there.

I predict Harry Reid to retire or quit for health reasons. Especially after Schummer of NY beats him out for minority leader.

Posted by: George at November 5, 2014 8:05 AM
Comment #384969

Republicans have damaged the precedents that protected majority power. They have made themselves the full face of all fecklessness, corruption, and radicalism they promote from this day forward. All the hipster Democrats and milquetoast independents who pointed at both sides and said they were equally bad are about to get a full wake-up call. The Republicans will have to choose which of the two masters they’ve been courting that they’re going to end up alienating. They’re going to have to find an excuse to give Americans as to why they’re not raising the debt ceiling, or they’re going to have to give their followers an explanation of why they’re raising the debt ceiling!

You folks have been such idiots about the precedents and promises you made. You’ve been so busy aligning yourselves to defeat Obama, to undo the 2008 victories, that you haven’t kept track of all the promises you made, precedents you set, and monsters you unleashed on the landscape.

If the debt ceiling is not renewed unconditionally by the GOP, I tell you, you are going to suffer. Obama can play off of your people endlessly as the feckless, partisanship-obsessed politicians you are. He can make a big display out of every veto, every shutdown, be the hero who is trying mightily to make government work for the people, while the Republicans in the Congress are fighting for the Corporations, the radicals, and their own political advancement.

And the Democrats? You do a good job of clearing out the more wishy-washy of us. You’re running out of uncommitted Liberals and Progressives, Moderates and otherwise.

You can pretend like anything that happens after this point will just be Democrats beating up on you. You guys like playing the victim. Only problem now is that you can’t be the victim, not when you’re in control. You’re the victor. Now we get to defend our principles the way you did, and if you say anything about that being un-American, why we have years worth of your precedents to throw back in your face. You think you crossed the finish line as victors, but there is no finish line, only another race in two years that will be fought on battlegrounds where the advantages are the mirror image of what you had here.

You decided that in 2008, the priority was going to be your political war. Well, sir, now you have your political war, only it’s not stopping on your schedule, like any of the other wars that Republicans in Congress helped start. You can’t order its end. You broke a lot of rules, destroyed a lot of protections of majority power, and made a lot of promises to a lot of people who really lack patience and understanding about those promises being broken.

It’s a relief to no longer have to worry about the Senate. Now the dysfunction in Congress lands on you, and the argument that both sides are equally bad will now be very difficult to justify. One side will blaze brightly in its stupidity, in its radicalism, in its contempt for the will of the American people. You might have been able to anger and scare them into voting your way this time, but now all the anger and fear will run against you, and why not?

Celebrate now. The parade of horribles begins… hell, you might not even have to wait. Your side is so tin-eared its not funny. It’ll start making the mistakes the minute it starts proposing things. You’re going to learn to regret the existence of the Tea Party on a level you never have before!

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 5, 2014 8:05 AM
Comment #384971

SD:

“You can pretend like anything that happens after this point will just be Democrats beating up on you. You guys like playing the victim. Only problem now is that you can’t be the victim, not when you’re in control. You’re the victor.”

Stephen, It seems a recurring theme in your comments over last few years is how the Republicans prevented the Democrats from accomplishing anything, even when the D’s had control. Having a little cognitive dissonance?

PS: I like split government (when both the House and Senate are in one party’s hands, and the president is the other party). Things make it through, and the President is a check. I think this will allow the President to accomplish reasonable things, if he takes it. I hope he does.

Posted by: Mike in Tampa at November 5, 2014 8:17 AM
Comment #384972

Stephen

Nothing much happened in the Senate before. How will it be worse? Presumably Obama will veto most things and it will be clearer who did what to whom. Harry Reid held back lots of votes. They will now come to light.

Let’s just hope that President Obama can be as wise as Bill Clinton was and maybe something good can get done.

On the plus side, we are now safe from any radical judicial appointments.

Posted by: C&J at November 5, 2014 8:39 AM
Comment #384973

The anger and divisiveness that we see in Daugherty’s comments is exactly why the Democrats got their asses kicked between their shoulder blades. Daugherty is the first of the leftist on WB who have learned nothing. Just double down and repeat the same old mantra. From what I have been able to hear, the WH is putting out comments that Obama plans to double down.

If the American people were upset at Obama before for spending too much time on the golf course and vacation instead of attending to America’s business….just wait. He has become the lamest of lame.

Posted by: George at November 5, 2014 8:40 AM
Comment #384974
They outspent Republicans and still lost, which seems to indicate that money cannot always buy victory.

C&J do you have an unbiased source for this statement? The local station in Denver have said the repubs spent more in the top 10 senate races. I know we saw more repub/Koch bros ads in Colorado than we did dem ads over the past months.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 5, 2014 8:40 AM
Comment #384975

j2t2

You may suspect sources I link, so I suggest that you just google “democrats outspend republican”. You will find dozens of stories on the spending. It looks like Democrats spent early and Republicans caught up later. When I looked at the sources, it might be correct that Republicans caught up and passed Democrats in the last days. But both spent similar amounts in the long run.


Let me point out too that it could have gone the other way. We had lots of close races. We need to understand the influence of random chance and unexpected events. I do not view elections as metaphysical measures of the people’s will. They are rough estimates that work better than the alternatives.

It is clear, however, that Obama’s policies are unpopular. IMO, Obama won last time by his negative campaign against Romney, which he started (better funded) well before the main election event. He survived but did not prosper and now it is coming home to him. I just hope that he has the wisdom (as Clinton did) to work with reality.

Posted by: C&J at November 5, 2014 8:58 AM
Comment #384976

George such nonsense, the repubs have divided the country for years. They won the mid terms, lets take a break from the campaigning falsehoods and see how they do the next two years before spouting off about the golfing BS. After all Congress was in session only 92 days this last time around.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/the-price-of-failure-and_b_6099752.html

Posted by: j2t2 at November 5, 2014 8:58 AM
Comment #384977

The South Carolina elections were pretty bland given we don’t have a functioning Democratic Party in the State anymore (if you doubt that then please see Alvin Greene’s campaign of 2010) but there were a couple of interesting points. First lots of Democrats ran under either the Working Families or United Citizens parties instead of running as Democrats. We’ve had some of that before but not to the extent I saw yesterday. The D brand in SC is really bad and you can thank Dick Harpootlian and co. for that.

Second, our new Voter I.D. bill had an extra twist to it. In addition to the nice youg lady verifying my name on the roll and eyeing me to see if I was as pictured, she took the i.d. from me and asked me to verbally confirm the address on it. I went back and looked that one up as it surprised me but it’s in the law. The recourse for getting the answer wrong is that you have to fill out a “special ballot” and I bet several folks had to do that. I know my 18 year old daughter would struggle with that question!


Posted by: George in SC at November 5, 2014 9:13 AM
Comment #384978

I think these election results have a mixed message, a little bit. But that is a good thing. Republican candidates for the most part won, congratulations, let’s hope it is good for our country. But liberal/Democratic initiatives overall look good also. Minimum wage raising initiatives for the most part came out ahead, local school bond issues did well also. The American electorate seems to be saying we want wage equality/good schools/governance and are trusting Republicans, Independents and Democrats to work together to accomplish this. The next two years will be interesting and frustrating both, as always in our adversarial governance. I am looking forward to how our President handles this outcome, I expect I will be as pleased as I have been with his previous 6 years of tenure. If however all we see is impeachment and repeal talk I expect the electorate will see this and make changes in 2016. Again congratulations to our conservative/tea party/Republican associates here at WB, now let’s get the shirt sleeves rolled up and do something.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 5, 2014 10:06 AM
Comment #384979

Congratulations to the GOP and conservatives on a big win.

Posted by: phx8 at November 5, 2014 10:24 AM
Comment #384980

J2t2, such nonsense on your side. Your answer to the shellacking the democrats took is to use the liberal talking points of the Huffpo….real original.

George in SC, I have been asked for my ID in my state for many years ….and yes, they kept my ID and asked me my address…nothing new. You “bet” people had to fill out “special ballots”…now that’s a real scientific comment!

The American electorate seems to be saying we want wage equality/good schools/governance and are trusting Republicans, Independents and Democrats to work together to accomplish this. The next two years will be interesting and frustrating both, as always in our adversarial governance. I am looking forward to how our President handles this outcome, I expect I will be as pleased as I have been with his previous 6 years of tenure. If however all we see is impeachment and repeal talk I expect the electorate will see this and make changes in 2016. Again congratulations to our conservative/tea party/Republican associates here at WB, now let’s get the shirt sleeves rolled up and do something.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 5, 2014 10:06 AM

Speaks, so the message is that we re all to work together??? The left has had 6 years to work together, and they have blatantly chosen to “in your face”. I have listened to the bullshit from the left about the obstructionist Republicans blocking everything Obama wanted to do. Well it was Harry Reid that obstructed the Senate by blocking 387 Bills passed by the Republican House. Obama did not need to veto anything…Harry Reid was his veto pen. Reid would not even allow Democrat bills to be voted on. I predict Manchin to bail on Dems and switch to the Republican Party. Maybe even others.

I can tell you how Obama will handle this change…he will double down and cry like a baby. Obama is a spoiled child who cannot handle the word “NO”. He will be worse than ever and he will try to push the Congress to impeach him. Speaking of impeachment, since you like to talk about it…the only words about impeachment over the past year or two, have come from the Democrats, not republicans.

But anyway, Obama will have his hands full vetoing the 387 Bills setting on Reid’s desk. We’ll see how much he wants to work with Republicans.

Thanks phx8

One of the greatest results of this election is that it has put the complete skids to Obama nominating and Reid rubberstamping leftist, anti-constitutional judges.

It’s a great day for America.

Posted by: George at November 5, 2014 11:09 AM
Comment #384981

Before the left on WB say anything else, perhaps they should watch these clips of the talking point creationist of the left media:

5 Hilariously Stupid Reactions By Liberals In The Media After Last Night’s GOP Tidal Wave

By Scooter Schaefer | 2 hours ago

By any account, the GOP gave the Democrats a serious shellacking in the midterm elections last night… gaining at least 7 Senate seats; 12 in the House; and mopping the floor in numerous Governor races. Politico has a great breakdown here.

So naturally the liberal media was a madhouse of shock, denial, and flat-out despair. Here are the top five clips we found.

1. Tom Brokaw Laughably Claims No ‘Big Ideological’ Win for GOP

2. MSNBC Hosts Panic on Midterms: ‘I Don’t Know What Good News Would Be’

3. NBC’s Chuck Todd Denies GOP Wave; Changes Mind 45 Minutes Later

4. MSNBC’s Maddow: Republican Wins Seat, Dems ‘Won the Argument’

5. As World Crumbles in on Dems, ABC Clings to War on Women

There you have it folks.. pure liberal media lunacy.

This is called denial

Posted by: George at November 5, 2014 11:17 AM
Comment #384983

Mike in Tampa-
No, Republicans really did prevent Democrats from doing a lot. They took the Filibuster and abused it at literally record levels from the time they gained the majority to the time they left, preventing 80 percent of what we could manage to get through the House from even seeing the light of day in a vote. Then you had the Republican House, which challenged records for laziness and lack of productivity for the next four years after that- more years, indeed, than Obama ever had. Those years were marked by consistent failure on the right to compromise, failure characterized by a self-righteous, ideological revulsion towards compromise. Well, now you don’t have to compromise in Congress to pass anything. You can pass anything you want!

Of course, it’ll have to please enough of your feckless Tea Partiers to make it out of the house.

Of course, it will have to make it past Obama’s veto.

And that means that after years of blaming us for the fact things weren’t getting done, you are in exactly the same boat, and with fewer people skills!

If you wanted reasonable things done, you could have had them, if reaching this goal hadn’t been the GOP priority. Now they’ve forced themselves into the spotlight, and after years of being the loudest critics of the Democrats, they’ve successfully torn them down…

…and now have to take full responsibility for whatever passes Congress. There’s no more hiding your radicalism, your extremism in Harry Reid’s desk. Now the dysfunction of the Republican Party is front and center.

You didn’t like how Obama was handling Ebola? Now you have to actually shape policy. Now you get the blame if the funding’s too small.

You didn’t like how Obama’s handling fiscal matters? Well, now you have to pass budgets. If you can’t pass one that works, you get the blame. If you can’t pass a debt ceiling increase to keep our government financed, it’s on you. If you can’t keep the dumb bastards in your party from provoking a government shutdown, it’s on you.

You don’t get to hide behind the shield of being impotent critics anymore! You have to get things done! You have to care what happens!

But that’s not what you’ve taught your voters to think about, to worry about. You’ve taught them to march in lockstep about your policies. You’ve taught them to assume that things will work out like they were planned to.

You’ve taught them to expect the impossible, to think of politics and policy in hugely unrealistic terms. As long as the outcome was always deferred, you could be so naive, you could be so deluded, and it would never be a problem.

Now, though, you’ve become the tread on the tire, the rubber that meets the very bumpy road of reality. Democrats were prepared to be practical to work on things to make them right, rather than insisting on them working just as imagined. We don’t have illusions that policy will just work.

Republicans? Republicans have been allowed to be little hothouse flowers, their ideological imaginations allowed to runaway with themselves, their arrogance about their own policy-making skills insulated from consequences by their lack of power.

But now? Now you’ve got to be for something, and that something has to work. Now you’ve got to live in the present. Now you’ll have a record that’s more than just what you said, what you voted for, but what you DID.

It’s going to be a beautiful train wreck, and if it seems like I’m anticipating this with bitter Schadenfreunde, you’re right. You got to win off of sabotaging us. Now, we will get to win off of your party once more sabotaging itself. The Republican Party has created a bubble of political valuation for itself. That bubble is going to burst over the next two years as people find out what your party is REALLY like these days.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 5, 2014 11:19 AM
Comment #384984

For the past two years I have been commenting about how the GOP would do well in this midterm, and take away precisely the wrong message. Why? Because in this midterm, the GOP was going to be born on third base, and think they hit a triple. The combination of low voter turnout and a lot of Senate seats in the south and rural states resulted in just what one would expect. Throw in some ridiculous stuff intended to scare everyone over Ebola, ISIS, and immigration, and… there you go. Of course, fear of Ebola and ISIS and immigration is not really a viable political platform.

What next? In 2016, the situation will be exactly the opposite. There will be high voter turnout, a Senate map more than twice as favorable to Democrats as 2012 and 2014 combined, and a strong candidate at the head of the ticket. Cue the music. An electoral tsunami is on the way.

For the next two years, the Senate Democrats can do the exact same thing the GOP has done for the past six, and filibuster every single bill. Obama will not even have to bother to veto anything. The Senate Democrats will stop everything cold, and the GOP will have no choice but to own the failure, since they control both houses. Republicans can work around this in the Senate with the budget reconciliation process, which requires only 51, and that would force Obama to veto, in which case the Senate will once again be unable to override. It will be really fun to hear the Republicans squeal about obstructionism, because no one will listen, or they will be mean, and laugh.

Meanwhile, the public will get a good look at the conservative agenda, such as it is: personhood bills, repeal of Obamacare, and tax cuts for corporations and the rich. Good luck with that.

The following states increases the minimum wage last night:
AK, AR, IL, NE and SD. It gives a good picture of where the voting public is when they are not busy being afraid of Ebola and ISIS and immigrants.

The past two-term presidents- Bush, Clinton, and Reagan- all spent the last two terms in office with the opposition in control of both the House and the Senate. Now Obama gets to do the same. By nature, Obama is a facilitator. He likes to bring people together to work out solutions. His character could be a huge asset for the GOP if it is willing to compromise. I caught some conservative pundits on FOX coming to the realization that just being against Obama would not longer work. The GOP would actually have to do something, and because of the filibuster and the veto, they would have to compromise, or be blamed by the public.

The GOP could make the next two years very good ones for the country if they are willing to compromise. But Republican voters just sent some very extremist, radical candidates to the Senate.

Is the GOP interested in comprise and governing, or promoting a non-negotiable ideology?

I think we all know the answer to that.

Posted by: phx8 at November 5, 2014 11:24 AM
Comment #384985

George, your spiteful nature belies your want to work together. Good luck with that, hope you can overcome that nonsense somehow.

The bills Harry Reid has held up have for the most part been designed to harm the PPACA which is exactly what he promised to stop. Good job Harry and thank you.

Look, for you to call the man elected to the most powerful position in the most powerful country in the world a “cry baby” really tells us a lot about your inability to be circumspect. You can’t because of your hatred and stupidity won’t allow that to happen. I have no idea where you get your information from but you really should review who did all of the talk of impeachment. I know you like to keep harping on “Obama bad, bad, bad” but he is not running for re-election and it would take a 2/3 majority for the impeachment process to be accomplished. That is not going to happen.

Oh and by the way I would like to compliment you on being as gracious in victory as you were in defeat, neither existed or exists now.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 5, 2014 11:27 AM
Comment #384986

George in SC,
I laughed when I read your comment about giving the home address to vote. I was stunned when it turned out my daughter did not know her own home address by heart. She lived here for 17 years! It made for a lot of joking around, but it goes to show just how different the younger generation is. They don’t write letters. They pay their bills online. The need to know the home address by heart rarely comes up.

South Caroline will need to rewrite that law ASAP.

Posted by: phx8 at November 5, 2014 11:28 AM
Comment #384987
You may suspect sources I link, so I suggest that you just google “democrats outspend republican”.
I followed your advice C&J and here is the first link.

http://www.newsweek.com/republicans-outspend-democrats-most-expensive-midterms-ever-282154

Which was my point. Just didn’t want to see the start of yet another conservative myth, lord knows with each post by George here they just keep coming.


Posted by: j2t2 at November 5, 2014 11:29 AM
Comment #384989

Daugherty….Oh, thank you for your typical leftist comments. So are you still against the abuse of the filibuster??? I doubt it.

How many times do we have to say 387 Bills on Reid’s desk, lost in the paper work. Do you reckon the American people were furious that Reid would not deal with one single bill, even though some were supported by Democrats, and yet he had time to discuss whether the Senate should do something about the “Washington Redskins” name.

It’s going to be a beautiful train wreck, and if it seems like I’m anticipating this with bitter Schadenfreunde, you’re right. You got to win off of sabotaging us. Now, we will get to win off of your party once more sabotaging itself. The Republican Party has created a bubble of political valuation for itself. That bubble is going to burst over the next two years as people find out what your party is REALLY like these days.

Thank you for not disappointing me Daugherty, I was waiting for this comment. The left lost because they sabotaged themselves. Republicans didn’t have to do anything. In fact, Conservatives believed the Republicans should have been on the attack, instead of just standing by and allowing the Democrats to self destruct. Daugherty, I would suggest you get away from the leftist news and web sites and actually listen to what some intelligent Democrats are saying about the outcome of this election.

At any rate, it’s a great day for America.

Posted by: George at November 5, 2014 11:34 AM
Comment #384990

Shorter George, (fingers in ears)La, la, la, la I can’t hear you.

George for some of us every day is a great day in America not just the ones where the political outcomes are to our liking. Join the crowd.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 5, 2014 11:39 AM
Comment #384991

Speaks, I have no desire that the new Congress work with Obama to advance his socialist agenda.

Let’s wait and see what the union employees will have to say about obamacare after the first of the year and parts of the law that Obama has delayed actually kick in…it can only become worse for obamacare. Americans will only protest more.

No one is denying that the Republicans will have to do something, but don’t expect them to do what the left wants.

Thank you for complimenting me on being gracious…I do try, but as Harkin stated about his attack on Joni Ernst…”I’m only human”.

Posted by: George at November 5, 2014 11:45 AM
Comment #384992

George, if you tried being gracious you might succeed but you didn’t and you don’t.

The popularity of the PPACA provisions will sustain it as a law but as has always been maintained by myself and other liberal/progressive/Democrats here on WB, we hope to see legislation to improve the law where it can be done but throwing the baby out with the bath water is just not good. Of course we know you would like to drown the baby in the bath water but hey that is just your affable nature not making it to the surface of your personality.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 5, 2014 11:52 AM
Comment #384995

The only word of caution here is that Obama meant his pen and his drone

Daugherty, your BS has overloaded into city hall in Houston where your queer mayor was to practice her favorite south of the border dictator actions. You and the other regular cohorts on the left just can’t get your act together. Reality is for real and the left wants to keep practicing what he progressives want and not what the people want. You bit the bullet to hard and now have to take the shot. The neatest think about last night is that the people have spoken and the house the senate and governorships have enlarged themselves. Daugherty get a life. After 35 years maybe you can grow up to quit spewing that progressive crap which does not benefit anbybody. Even the unions wasted more money that many of the hard working people have entrusted to those corrupt bums that could not hold and honest day of work if their life depended on it
And lastly. Thank you for your losses Daugherty and company. It is greatly appreciated.

Posted by: tom humes at November 5, 2014 1:09 PM
Comment #384996

C&J-
You guys blamed Reid for being in the way. Well, he’s defeated now, thank your lucky stars.

Now what? Now you actually can pass things.

What things? With all this time trying to impress your jaded Tea Partiers and beat down Obama at the same time, did you moderate Republicans actually spare one solitary glance at what these people have been getting used to passing, and your voters have been getting used to seeing passed?

You’ve struck an unwieldy balance, in the name of winning so much, so quickly, and sold yourselves to two masters: one, an American people sick of dysfunction, and two, a Tea Party that couldn’t care less if the whole thing burns down.

They’ll be emboldened. They’ll say, why not pass the agenda? Mandate! Mandate! Mandate!

Of course, everybody will have a different idea of what that mandate should be, including the American public.

The problem is, the Republican Party has become so much about politics, that it won’t take well the compromises and problems that come with just adjusting policy to reality, much less adjusting it to the President with the Veto pen. They won’t forgive a fully powerful Congress for compromising, and the American public won’t forgive them for not compromising.

You’ve built your castle, in your haste, on sand.

George-
If he doubles down, more power to him. He’s the gatekeeper. He is under no obligation to let the Republican in Congress who sabotaged his agenda get away with theirs. You sowed the wind in obstructing, now you reap the whirlwind of your own frustration.

et al.-
I’m not congratulating Republicans here. They’ve built everything on an arrogant assumption that they know better than the rest of us, and they’ve sold themselves as the superior alternative, using every frigging problem that cropped up in the world, including the ones they caused, like ISIS and the deficit, to knock Obama down.

But now? Now they get to write policy on it. Funny how that all works. You can flap your gums forever, and get away with it, when you don’t have the actual power to do something, but unlike words, actions are never content neutral. You can spin things about events, but spinning events themselves is impossible. They are what they are, and those that try to send messages or bluff and bluster their way into success ultimately meet sticky ends, policy-wise.

You’ve been saying you can do better than us for years, that you’re not the divisive ones, that you’re not the crazy ones. Now you have to prove it. Now you have to prove every damn thing you ever said, and you have to do so under the precedents you yourselves pushed forward, claiming that your obstruction was divinely ordained, practically speaking.

It was nice to be the heroes for obstructing us, wasn’t it? But it’s not good enough anymore. If we get into financial trouble as a country, it’s your policies. Energy trouble, you’ll have to do something. ISIS or some other troublemakers? Your policy. Ebola? The same. Every damn thing you complained about with us, you have to do something PRODUCTIVE about.

Takes a lot more skill to do that, than to sit around *****ing about it and saying that Obama’s the worst President ever. You got Americans frustrated with Obama, mad at him, got them to punish the Democrats. Do you really think they’ll take any **** out of you, any excuses when it comes to doing something productive about it? Do you think you’ll get any sympathy out of anybody if the filibusters that stopped our advance stopped yours?

You are about to learn an important lesson in the value of doing unto others what you would have done unto you. You’ve tossed us anchors for the last six years. Now you get to try and satisfy all the voters you made so many promises to, satisfy all the voters who are going to want function out of you, and do so while we’re tossing the anchors back at you.

Oh, and by the way: every atrocity you commit with that Congress is going to ensure that the people who didn’t show up for this election day are going to show up for the next.

Enjoy your power while it lasts.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 5, 2014 1:20 PM
Comment #384997

If I could be so bold, let me say this: the only thing Republicans are capable of uniting either themselves or others in is a hatred of Democrats and liberals, particularly if they’re President.

Otherwise, their primadonna tendencies have them insisting on their own esoteric interpretations of everything, not completely oblivious to their lack of common ground with people, but gleefully committed to being undiluted, uncompromising.

Which is great until it’s you and the American people who are having the disagreement. Republicans can be the nattering nabobs of negativity, and spread dissatisfaction and hate, but can they actually do anything worth a crap and satisfy them with positive performance?

That I doubt. If they prove me wrong, fine, but they have a ****load of bad habits and people with bad habits to drop, and a lot of useful idiots (who might not take it well) to betray.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 5, 2014 1:28 PM
Comment #385003

Get off your high horse Daugherty; you talk about the hatred of democrats and liberals with no doubt a straight face an yet, all one has to do is turn to MSNBC, CNN or your numerous liberal web sites to see vitriol and hatred. I don’t think anyone on the right has ever said they hated democrats or liberals (perhaps you could enlighten us), but the right has talked of their hatred of liberal policies.

Daugherty makes this ridiculous comment:

I’m not congratulating Republicans here. They’ve built everything on an arrogant assumption that they know better than the rest of us, and they’ve sold themselves as the superior alternative

How many hundreds of times have conservatives accused you of this very practice. You have blatantly told us liberal policy is better than anything we could do. You are ridiculous Daugherty, you accuse us of the very things the left is guilty of…

We never expected your congratulations…you are incapable of it. You are like our president, incapable of understanding reality.

You got Americans frustrated with Obama, mad at him, got them to punish the Democrats.

No Daugherty, Obama did that when he said a vote for Democrats was a vote for his agenda, and at the same time the Democrats were running as fast a they could away fro Obama and his agenda. Who voted in Obama’s agenda, was it Democrats of was it Republicans?

Do you think you’ll get any sympathy out of anybody if the filibusters that stopped our advance stopped yours?

So your opposition to the filibuster was a hoax; you only oppose it if Republicans are using it. This shows the true partisanship of your beliefs.

Oh, and by the way: every atrocity you commit with that Congress is going to ensure that the people who didn’t show up for this election day are going to show up for the next.

Perhaps you could find some new adjectives to describe the winning Republican beside those put out by the leftist talking heads.

Daugherty realizes the Republicans kicked the Democrat’s asses, they have not even been sworn into office, and yet we are going to have to listen to his crap about the next election (two years away). Get over it Daugherty, the more you whine, the more us on the right laugh at you. How does it feel to b irrelevant???

Posted by: George at November 5, 2014 3:12 PM
Comment #385010

Some of the left’s myths:

Voters’ verdict explodes Democratic myths:

As Democratic losses mounted in Senate races across the country on election night, some liberal commentators clung to the idea that dissatisfied voters were sending a generally anti-incumbent message, and not specifically repudiating Democratic officeholders. But the facts of the election just don’t support that story.

Voters replaced Democratic senators with Republicans in Arkansas, Colorado, Iowa, North Carolina, Montana, South Dakota, West Virginia and likely in Alaska, and appear on track to do so in a runoff next month in Louisiana. At the same time, voters kept Republicans in GOP seats in heavily contested races in Georgia, Kansas and Kentucky. That is at least 10, and as many as a dozen, tough races, without a single Republican seat changing hands. Tuesday’s voting was a wave alright — a very anti-Democratic wave.

1) The election wouldn’t be a referendum on President Obama

2) Obamacare wouldn’t matter.

3) An improving economy would limit Democrats’ losses.

4) Women would save Democrats.

5) The ground game would power Democrats to victory.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/voters-verdict-explodes-democratic-myths/article/2555779

Posted by: George at November 5, 2014 3:54 PM
Comment #385017

Turnout was exceptionally low, even for a midterm.

Like I have been saying for two years, I am counting on you conservatives to learn precisely the wrong lesson from 2014.

People were not dissatisfied. Most didn’t care enough one way or the other to even bother to vote, and that especially applies to traditional Democratic constituencies. They will show up for the presidential election.

But please proceed, governor.

Posted by: phx8 at November 5, 2014 4:14 PM
Comment #385019

Stephen

There would be no proof you would accept short of Republicans capitulating to Democrats.

For more open minded people, however, I think we will see the House and Senate passing bills and maybe Obama signing them, maybe vetoing. In either case, we will more easily see who is the party of no. You will have a sort of up or down vote.

Phx8

The election did not show that Americans want Republican policies. It did show, however, that they do not like Obama policies, since those who voted rejected Obama and those who did not acquiesced in the rejection.

No matter how you look at it, Democrats took a “thumpin,” or a “shellacking.”

Posted by: C&J at November 5, 2014 4:23 PM
Comment #385023

C&J,
Among those who did vote, supposedly 45% listed ‘the economy’ as their biggest concern. Among Republicans, the percentage who thought the economy was bad was in the mid 70s. And yet, by any objective standard, the Obama administration has done an outstanding job with the economy.

What concerns me is that when people use bad information based on unfounded negative emotions, they make bad decisions.

Too often, Republicans believe things that simply are not true: Global Warming is a hoax, Obama has grown the size of the government (he has actually decreased it), the deficits have gone up (the federal deficit has actually decreased every year he has been in office, now down to $460 billion, and on a course to be balanced soon), the federal debt is unmanageable (it has dropped from @ 9% of GDP in 2009 to less than 3% today) and so on.

The point is, if the GOP ‘feels bad’ about the economy and believes a lot of things that have no basis in fact, what will they do in the legislature? It is a recipe for bad decision making.

Posted by: phx8 at November 5, 2014 4:36 PM
Comment #385025

Speak writes; ” But liberal/Democratic initiatives overall look good also. Minimum wage raising initiatives for the most part came out ahead…”

Minimum wage is, and should continue to be, a state issue.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 5, 2014 5:04 PM
Comment #385026

Again congratulations to our conservative/tea party/Republican associates here at WB, now let’s get the shirt sleeves rolled up and do something.
Posted by: Speak4all at November 5, 2014 10:06 AM

Thank you and a huge AMEN to that.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 5, 2014 5:07 PM
Comment #385027

Congratulations to the GOP and conservatives on a big win.
Posted by: phx8 at November 5, 2014 10:24 AM

Thank you

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 5, 2014 5:09 PM
Comment #385029

Golly, are we going to have to hear all over again how many minorities stayed home? What about the 5 million Republicans who stayed home in 2012 because they didn’t like Romney??? Can we use that for an excuse why we lost the 2012 election.

There have also been reports that Republicans have picked up women, blacks, and Hispanic votes. How will that play in the 2016 elections.

Then we have the case of Hillary Clinton, who believes she is coroneted to run. In every race that her and Bill campaigned for the Democrat…they lost. Clinton’s home state of Arkansas went totally Republican. They captured the whole state House. What does that say for the Clintons? The Democrats are now faced with the problem of finding a candidate.

Posted by: George at November 5, 2014 5:20 PM
Comment #385030

phx8 writes; ” It will be really fun to hear the Republicans squeal about obstructionism, because no one will listen, or they will be mean, and laugh.”

You paint a dismal scenario phx. Apparently I have more regard for dems in congress as patriots than you do.

It is clear to anyone who can read that this election was about getting the country moving with more economic activity and more employment. Do you really expect moderate dems to risk their seats by obstructing efforts to achieve that?

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 5, 2014 5:26 PM
Comment #385031
Every new GOP senator who won in last night’s election campaigned on repealing Obamacare.

Senators Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), David Perdue (R-Ga.), Joni Ernst (R-Iowa), Thom Tillis (R-N.C.), Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), James Lankford (R-Okla.), Steve Daines (R-Mont.), Mike Rounds (R-S.D.), Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), and Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) all ran on a platform of repealing Obamacare.

Gardner touted patient-centered care and a full repeal and replacement of President Obama’s Affordable Care Act (ACA), otherwise known as Obamacare.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/100-newly-elected-gop-senators-campaigned-repealing-obamacare


Do the constituents of these newly elected Senators have the right to expect them to keep their word? The interesting thing is that many of these Republicans beat out Democrat incumbents. According to Daugherty, These people who voted in Democrats were ignorant of the truth..

Posted by: George at November 5, 2014 5:28 PM
Comment #385033

Sorry, “voted in Republicans”

Posted by: George at November 5, 2014 5:30 PM
Comment #385034

George, you can use any excuse you like. I guess we will just have to wait and see about 2016 and yes a lot has to do with what happens between now and then. I still like Hillary’s chances but I’m not personally convinced that she is the best candidate and would like to watch the next two years play out. Running on repealing the PPACA and actually repealing the PPACA are two different things. Again let’s just wait and see what happens. I can understand your giddiness given the results last night but you might consider using a grain of salt on your election result feast.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 5, 2014 5:41 PM
Comment #385038

phx8

The economy is okay for the well-off because of the stock market. Inequality has grown since Obama took office. I thought those things bothered you guys.

The overall economy is only now regaining what it was in 2007. I know you thought that 2004-7 were great years.

Most Americans are unhappy with the economy. Most Americans are not partisan Republicans, are they?

Posted by: C&J at November 5, 2014 6:52 PM
Comment #385047

Speaks, sorry for my excitement; but you must realize the amount of excrement the left has been spreading ever since Obama took office. In the word’s of Obama’s mentor and pastor, “the chickens have come home to roost”. The American people have said enough…no more of Obama’s socialist agenda. It’s just exciting to see the scales removed from people’s eyes.

Don’t you find it interesting that when questioned at his press conference today, he blames Republicans, Democrats, minorities, voters, men, women, states…everyone…except Obama. It’s understandable how you, Daugherty, and a few others carry the water bucket for Obama. If he finds his innocence in whatever has happened, then you also find him innocent.

Posted by: George at November 5, 2014 9:30 PM
Comment #385077

phx8:

“Is the GOP interested in comprise and governing, or promoting a non-negotiable ideology?”

Hmmmm…although most on the left - especially the complicit media - will never admit this, Obama HATES…NO…DESPISES professional interactions with the GOP leadership (or perhaps their smug, arrogant and elitist mutated gene gets in their way).

The president is the commander-in-campaigning, the commander-in-bluster, the explainer-in-chief and the commander-in-excuses.

I’ll never forget Obama bluntly stating to Sen. John McCain at a Blair House health care summit in 2010: and I’m paraphrasing here…”elections have consequences, John.”

Well, why don’t you take your own advice, Obama? I can’t wait to see how the WH responds in the next few months.

Sorry, phx8, but Mr. Obama isn’t in it for the electorate or the nation at large. He’s hyper political, yet pretends to be the opposite in the public sphere.

Myself and most of my family, friends, neighbors and colleagues all feel like they are not better off over the last 6 years.

I feel less safe, less optimistic, less wealthier and less happier then I have in a very long time. It isn’t all Obama’s fault; however, his policies are bereft of what’s needed immediately to free up capital, optimism and growth.

Wage stagnation, lost median income, poor worker participation rate, healthcare costs rising and a failed or non-existent foreign policy, rule the day.

So, I say: Go ahead Mr. President. Use your pen. Break constitutional law, unilaterally act on immigration, the environment and profligate spending. I can’t wait.

Sadly, Wednesday was one of the most optimistic times that I’ve felt good since 2007.

Hopefully, our nation can’t break free from the malaise we’ve been afflicted with.

Mr. Carville said it best awhile back: “It’s the economy, stupid!” Wake up Dems!

Posted by: Kevin L. Lagola at November 6, 2014 8:13 PM
Comment #385112
Obama HATES…NO…DESPISES professional interactions with the GOP leadership

After having the Republican leader in the Senate brag that his #1 priority was ensuring that Obama would be a single-term President, I can hardly blame Obama for being a little less enthusiastic about working with the guy. And the problems started well before that, going back to the summer of 2009 when the GOP basically stabbed Obama and the Democrats by using the facade of negotiation to buy time to turn public opinion against health care reform.

Posted by: Warren Porter at November 7, 2014 12:49 AM
Comment #385115

Warren Porter, can you name me a political leader on either side, throughout history, who desire has not been to make the opposing party president, a one term president?

Obama or any other president’s obligation to raise the conversation above petty squabbles. Obama is a grudge holder. The comments like the one mentioned above, telling McCain after a loss, that “Elections have consequences” could be construed as a “Brag” that McCain’s party is now non-relevant.

You speak of stabbing Obama in the back; but didn’t the Democrats stab Bush in the back for 8 years? I believe back stabbing is part of the politics of Washington in both parties, don’t you. We can go all the way back to the Roman empire to see back stabbing, literally and metaphorically.

Regarding Obamacare, the American people did not have to have the Republicans turn them against it. Do you honestly believe that when a law is passed by only one party (representing only a percentage of America), that the people represented by the opposing party are all going to fall in lock step with the law? That will never happen. Abortion on demand became the law of the land decades ago and yet until this day, there is a great divide in America over the subject. Politicians are still elected or not elected on whether they support or oppose abortion. To say the Republicans poisoned the well of Obama but speaking out against the bad law of Obamacare, is like saying it is wrong for Republicans speak out against abortion, or the left’s war on women, based on anti-abortion or reproduction. Simply, do you believe the left has the right to base political elections on the “war on women”? If you do, then you surely can’t oppose Republicans using Obamacare as a “war on Americas”.

The progressive ideology has always been that they know what’s best for the American people and any opposition to their ideas is considered treason. There has been a 50 to 60% opposition to Obamacare ever since the law was debated. What the Republicans did in 2010 and 2014 was to identify the Democrats running for office with Obama’s law, Obamacare. This is not stabbing Obama in the back; this is identifying the politicians who supported Obama’s agenda. I’m not sure on this number, but I believe close to 27 of the Democrat Senators who supported Obamacare are gone from the Senate. But as Obama said, “there are consequences to elections”.

Posted by: Sam Jones at November 7, 2014 8:31 AM
Comment #385124

Sam Jones,

Firstly, Welcome to WatchBlog! I always enjoy reading new points of view. Hopefully you will stick around long enough to let us learn from our differing beliefs.

can you name me a political leader on either side, throughout history, who desire has not been to make the opposing party president, a one term president?

No, I can’t, but a mere desire that an opposing party president lose a bid for reelection isn’t germane here. Reread what I said: “After having the Republican leader in the Senate brag that his #1 priority was ensuring that Obama would be a single-term President”.

Yous see Sam Jones, there’s a big difference between making something one’s top priority and simply wishing that something were so. The former is unprecedented intransigence. The latter is ordinary politics.

You speak of stabbing Obama in the back; but didn’t the Democrats stab Bush in the back for 8 years? I believe back stabbing is part of the politics of Washington in both parties, don’t you. We can go all the way back to the Roman empire to see back stabbing, literally and metaphorically.
Democrats voted to approve the use of military force in Iraq in ‘02/’03. In 2007, Democrats once again deferred to the President’s leadership by permitting him to execute the “surge” even though Democrats had a clear mandate to end the war immediately and investigate the Bush administration for war crimes. Hardly a case of back-stabbing.
Regarding Obamacare, the American people did not have to have the Republicans turn them against it. Do you honestly believe that when a law is passed by only one party (representing only a percentage of America), that the people represented by the opposing party are all going to fall in lock step with the law? That will never happen. Abortion on demand became the law of the land decades ago and yet until this day, there is a great divide in America over the subject. Politicians are still elected or not elected on whether they support or oppose abortion. To say the Republicans poisoned the well of Obama but speaking out against the bad law of Obamacare, is like saying it is wrong for Republicans speak out against abortion, or the left’s war on women, based on anti-abortion or reproduction. Simply, do you believe the left has the right to base political elections on the “war on women”? If you do, then you surely can’t oppose Republicans using Obamacare as a “war on Americas”.

Your point would be valid if it weren’t for the fact that the PPACA is derived almost entirely from ideas developed by Republicans. Conservative opposition to the PPACA has always been political and not ideological, which is why the rhetoric was “kill the bill!” and not “compromise and reform the law”. The most telling anecdote here is the countless times Max Baucus spent negotiating with Republicans ultimately to have them spit in his face and vote in lockstep against every proposal.

The progressive ideology has always been that they know what’s best for the American people and any opposition to their ideas is considered treason.
Hyperbole isn’t going to get you very far around here.
There has been a 50 to 60% opposition to Obamacare ever since the law was debated.
…and a significant portion of that opposition (15% perhaps) comes from leftists who are angry they didn’t get single-payer, public option, etc. Only about 40% of Americans oppose the PPACA for conservative reasons.
What the Republicans did in 2010 and 2014 was to identify the Democrats running for office with Obama’s law, Obamacare. This is not stabbing Obama in the back; this is identifying the politicians who supported Obama’s agenda. I’m not sure on this number, but I believe close to 27 of the Democrat Senators who supported Obamacare are gone from the Senate. But as Obama said, “there are consequences to elections”.
The back-stabbing happened in 2009, not 2010 or 2014. In 2009, Republicans appeared willing to negotiate a compromise with Democrats, but in reality the whole thing was a farce. I guarantee that if Obama had known that the GOP would unanimously reject their own ideas for health care reform, Obama would never have ventured down that road. Posted by: Warren Porter at November 7, 2014 1:08 PM
Comment #385137

Well stated, Sam.

Someone once said that no person or political party has a “Monopoly” on good ideas.

Btw, Warren, Mitch McConnell’s Prosaic comment about making Obama a “one-term president” had no real impact on anything.

It’s analogous to when former House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi stated about the Affordable Care Act: “[Y]ou have to pass the bill before you know what’s in it.”

This clunky comment was also taken too seriously and taken out of context. While I’m no Pelosi fan (I despise her politics, arrogance and policies), she goofed in her wording. It has been one of the most famous political quotes used by anti-Obamacare people since she uttered those words.

My point is: Substantive ideas and policies are Far More Important than sound bites and political memes.

We get A Lot of the latter, the former, not so much!

Posted by: Kevin L. Lagola at November 7, 2014 5:07 PM
Comment #385143

Kevin,

So we have now entered the realm where up is down and black is white? You are claiming that McConnell’s #1 priority wasn’t to make Obama a one-term president? It’d be one thing if he uttered those words and nothing else. However, we have also witnessed 6 years of unprecedented obstruction. Requiring 60 votes in the Senate for every bill was a real dick move on McConnell’s part and its something that caused Obama to lose trust in congressional republicans pretty early on. Once lost, trust is difficult to regain, but it can be done. I hope McConnell understands this and rejects the incentive to put the GOP’s priorities ahead of the US’s pirorities.

Regarding Nancy Pelosi: Her comments are misquoted even by you. The correct quote is: “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.” The full quote is no longer clunky or prosaic. Pelosi meant what she said. Her audience (the “you” from her quote) represents Americans who have formed negative opinions regarding the PPACA based upon right-wing propaganda rather than objective analysis of the bill. By passing the bill, Pelosi hoped that the controversy would fade and that the law would stand or fall based upon its true nature.

Substantive ideas and policies are Far More Important than sound bites and political memes.
Definitely true. I only emphasize the McConnell quote (and DeMint’s Waterloo quote) because they encapsulate the entire behavior of the GOP during the 111th Congress. If the GOP spent the 111th Congress working with Democrats in good faith then it would certainly have been inappropriate for me to cite those quotes.

On that note, I remind everyone of the important question we must ask McConnell, “Where is the beef?” What are the substantive ideas and policies that Republicans will implement to improve the lives of American voters? Despite a robust stock market and dropping unemployment, most Americans still tell pollsters that they believe the economy is in bad shape. This is likely a result of Americans’ stagnant wages. If the GOP has a mandate, it will be to address that problem. How will McConnell & Boehner address this problem? Repealing a minor tax on medical device manufacturers isn’t going to solve it. Eliminating the employer mandate isn’t going to do it either. It’s a hard question without any easy answers, but it’s a problem that Republicans have been tasked to solve.

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