Democrats playing with the fire of racism

Democrats around the country are talking racism and running racist commercials. In North Carolina Dems are tying the Republican challenger to the Trayvon Martin murders. Mary Landrieu in Louisiana blames Obama’s low popularity on his race. Democrats in Georgia are telling blacks that they need to vote Democratic to “prevent another Ferguson.” I find this kind of thing unbelievable and thought it was cynical Democratic manipulation. But then I saw on Fox News that Democrats really might believe the crap they are saying.

Liberal analysis Kristen Powers was interviewed on Fox. (I mention Fox since I know how much our liberal friends like it) She pointed out that many of her liberal friends really believe that conservatives want to go back to old racist policies. I would have preferred that liberals were cynical manipulators.

I didn't vote for Barack Obama because I thought he was not up to the job as president. I have not changed my mind when I view his track record and it seems like a majority of Americans have come around to my point of view. My original decision not to vote for Barack Obama was unrelated to race. Well, maybe not entirely. I admit that I thought - briefly - of voting FOR Obama because of his race. (That would have been racist too, but our liberal friends believe in this kind of affirmative action.) But clearly racism was not a decisive issue. Obama won in 2008. He won by a LOWER percentage the second time around. That could not be racism unless you believe that those who voted for him the first time but not the second turned into racists during his first term. There are plenty of reasons not to like Obama. Race is not the big one.

In January 2009 only 13% of Americans disapproved of Barack Obama. Let's stipulate that ALL of them were motivated by race. That is still only 13%. Recently 55% disapproved of him. We cannot say that this is racism. If you say it is you are either lying or stupid. I prefer it if you are lying but I am afraid it might be that some people are stupid enough to believe that 55% of the American population is so deeply racist that they would reject a president based on race.

I worry about racism. It does still exist latently. It is not limited to whites, of course, but I think we have to fear more from white racism because there are more whites. The constant race baiting by Democrats is pissing people off. I have been reading lots of articles talking about how Democrats have lost the white working-class. The white working-class used to be solidly Democratic. It is amazing that they are now becoming reliably Republican. Racism has something to do with this, but it is mostly Democratic racism. If you keep on insulting people, they start to dislike you. I would hate to see the white vote becoming like the black vote, i.e. essentially one-party. If white voters were as monolithically Republican as black voters are Democratic, Republicans would win most elections for at least the next 40 years. This would be a very bad and divisive result. Nobody should want this and Democrats should be careful with what they are doing so that they do not create this result. .

Many Democrats evidently believe that the white-working-class is already irredeemably racist. They are wrong. But they may be creating the functional equivalent as far as elections are concerned.

Posted by Christine & John at November 1, 2014 11:04 AM
Comments
Comment #384762

It is disgusting to observe the way race and women have been used for political advantage. The left seems incapable of adjusting to today’s reality; otherwise, why continue to use what has stopped working for them.

I find it odd that most sports fans can recognize talent as the determining factor in who gets hired, but can not recognize the same in politics. Unfortunately, in politics the talk many times becomes the “talent”, and only later is it discovered that the elected person can ONLY talk but not walk.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 1, 2014 2:25 PM
Comment #384764

I was listening to a news story about the Republicans bus tour while campaigning in Kansas. The Democratics described it as a clown car.

Insults are how the Democratics wage a campaign for an office in our federal government these days. They are intellectually bankrupt and have to resort to superficial, childish, insults to please their base.

Is this any way to campaign for one of the highest privileges our country has to offer?

Thank God the internet came into being and exposed the way the Democratics have been holding onto power for the last 100 years. They no longer have the MSM to hide their selfish and corrupt behavior. They are so self absorbed they don’t realize their behavior is insulting intelligent people. They are so intellectually bankrupt they can’t think of an intelligent argument to frame their position. They cannot even realize the future has run them over.

Keep it up Democratics. You’re only hurting yourselves. Your childish ways are having the light of truth cast upon them and our country will be the better for your downfall.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 1, 2014 4:30 PM
Comment #384765

Royal

Democrats are terrified of Joni Ernst in Iowa - an article and attractive woman warrior who just shatters their victim template. I sent some money her way and I hope others will. She looks like a winner,but you never know until all the Democratic “late” votes are counted.

Posted by: C&J at November 1, 2014 4:57 PM
Comment #384767

Yup CJ, watch out for those “late” votes everywhere.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 1, 2014 5:54 PM
Comment #384794

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Posted by: phx8 at November 2, 2014 11:06 AM
Comment #384795

There seems to be some concern that Democrats are insulting the intelligence of conservatives.

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce Jodi Ernst.

By her own admission, Jodi Ernst owes her candidacy to the Koch Brothers. She is a Global Warming Denier who favors abolishing the EP, as well as the Education Department; she favors personhood amendments and says Obama has “become a dictator who may need to be impeached. She opposes raising the minimum wage and would prefer not to have one at all. Oh, and she supports nullification and privatizing social security.

In one of the best examples of the GOP echo chamber we see, she only talks to FOX News and other media conservatives. She will not talk with newspapers in IA, and when in public, downplays her extremism and radicalism.

And then you wonder how you end up with a clown car of presidential candidates? Really? 2016 is shaping up to be, not just a clown car, but a clown bus.

You have made your bed by laying down with racists and bigots and Global Warming Deniers, and you have exhibited horrific political behavior towards blacks, latinos, gays, and women, and then you are upset when people notice you are in bed with racists and bigots and Global Warming Deniers?

When you ride with these people, you get held accountable for what they do and say.

Btw, if the GOP takes the Senate, Inhofe will chair the Environment Committee. You know. The guy who wrote the book “The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future.”

The really sickening thing is that, in ten years, you all will deny ever supporting people like Inhofe or Ernst, or opposing Gay Marriage.

Posted by: phx8 at November 2, 2014 11:29 AM
Comment #384796

Sounds like sour grapes phx.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 2, 2014 12:35 PM
Comment #384797

Phx8

But if she wins, and it looks like she will, it will make it hard for the Democrats to fight that war on women.

Re racists and bigots - I know your really believe that, which is what makes it all that much more dangerous. Lots of liberals believe such things. It allows them to feel self-righteous. You need not address the issues if you can attack the person making the argument. I try to avoid that character flaw but I understand not everyone values tolerance as much.

Re being held accountable for what others do and say, it depends. I can agree with some of what people say and believe w/o taking it all in. There are many things, phx8, that you and I agree about. That does not mean I am responsible for all the things you say and do.

The racist things we are seeing from the Democrats, however, are done by party officials. You need not take responsibility for them, but the Democratic party should get it share of shame for being divisive and racist in their desperate attempt to hold power.

Posted by: C&J at November 2, 2014 1:17 PM
Comment #384798
You have made your bed by laying down with racists and bigots and Global Warming Deniers, and you have exhibited horrific political behavior towards blacks, latinos, gays, and women,

Did they? Or, is it that the left just says they did, over and over and over, until the ignorant believe they did.

What is a racist, or a bigot, or a global warming denier? Aren’t they just labels tacked onto people who disagree with the left’s agenda?

Anyone who disagrees with the Democratic gets slandered, maligned, mischaracterized in an effort to poison the other person’s well, because they have no ideas they can run on themselves.

Truly pathetic, phx8. What’s the matter? Can’t you think of a positive idea to put in place of the crude namecalling you think works so well in the political arena?

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 2, 2014 1:21 PM
Comment #384799

It’s really pathetic that people like phx8 have to resort to the same personal attacks and name calling:

By her own admission, Jodi Ernst owes her candidacy to the Koch Brothers. She is a Global Warming Denier who favors abolishing the EP, as well as the Education Department; she favors personhood amendments and says Obama has “become a dictator who may need to be impeached. She opposes raising the minimum wage and would prefer not to have one at all. Oh, and she supports nullification and privatizing social security.

In one of the best examples of the GOP echo chamber we see, she only talks to FOX News and other media conservatives. She will not talk with newspapers in IA, and when in public, downplays her extremism and radicalism.

And then you wonder how you end up with a clown car of presidential candidates? Really? 2016 is shaping up to be, not just a clown car, but a clown bus.

You have made your bed by laying down with racists and bigots and Global Warming Deniers, and you have exhibited horrific political behavior towards blacks, latinos, gays, and women, and then you are upset when people notice you are in bed with racists and bigots and Global Warming Deniers?

When you ride with these people, you get held accountable for what they do and say.

Btw, if the GOP takes the Senate, Inhofe will chair the Environment Committee. You know. The guy who wrote the book “The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future.”

The really sickening thing is that, in ten years, you all will deny ever supporting people like Inhofe or Ernst, or opposing Gay Marriage.
Posted by: phx8 at November 2, 2014 11:29 AM

I don’t really know where to begin:

It is no longer called Global Warming, because there is no proof that the globe is warming…it is called climate change. There is no proof that the climate is doing anything different than it has done for centuries.

Support from the Koch brothers is no different than the left being financially supported by George Soros, silicon valley money, or environmental money.

Many people favor abolishing the Dept of Ed; I do…

Even black leaders are now coming out against the democratic party and minimum wages…minimum wages help no one.

Carter says the strategy behind the president’s focus on raising minimum wage is because, “he (the president) knows this is a way to get a lot of the poor peoples attention, but, to hell with your minimum raise wage, we don’t have any jobs, minimum wage raise for what?”

Of course, what is an election without the democrats bring up the privatization of SS or throwing grandma off the cliff…

Why would she or any other republican want to be interviewed by democrat activist news broadcasters?

But as I mentioned in the blue column; the same Des Moines Register who she is accused of dissing an editorial board interview gave he a 7 point lead over the democrat in yesterdays poll.

Most of your comments are nothing more than liberal talking points, that have no merit. No wonder the country is moving towards the right. 20% (liberals) of the American people have controlled the conversation for way to long, and the American people have had enough. Thank God we no longer depend on the big three news outlets for our news anymore.

Posted by: George at November 2, 2014 2:06 PM
Comment #384800

I agree with this writer completely:

When violence is black on black, news media often pay little attention; even less when it is black on white. These media paint a misleading — and incendiary — portrait of violence in America.

The Ferguson grand jury will conclude its investigation soon. Evidence was leaked so it won’t be a surprise if no charges are filed against Officer Wilson. Authorities expect violence when a formal announcement is made, because the mob doesn’t care what the truth is.

Neither do a lot of Democrats. Women, Hispanics and millennials have soured on them, polls indicate, so they play the race card.

“If you want to prevent another Ferguson …vote Democrat,” said the Georgia Democratic Party in a mailing to African-Americans.

A mailing to blacks in North Carolina features a photo of a lynching. An ad by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s PAC falsely and preposterously links Sen. Kay Hagan’s GOP opponent to the Trayvon Martin shooting in Florida because he supports a “stand-your-ground” law.

This isn’t just desperate, dishonest and despicable. It’s evil.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/11/02/democrats_deal_the_race_card_124533.html

Posted by: Sam Jones at November 2, 2014 2:17 PM
Comment #384801

When 90% of blacks vote against you, and over 70% of Hispanics and Asians, and 55% of women, and gays, well, there is an old saying that applies:

The common denominator in all your failed relationships is you.

Posted by: phx8 at November 2, 2014 2:24 PM
Comment #384802

Sorry, but you numbers are changing…people are becoming wise to the lies.

Posted by: George at November 2, 2014 3:01 PM
Comment #384803

phx8

Blacks should probably look to be a little more independent in their politics. It is also clear that voters with less experience vote Democratic. We are seeing an interesting development today with the youth vote, which is shifting to the right after their experience with Barack Obama.

But if you want to turn it around, why do Democrats do so poorly among white men and married women? You may soon see the shift among Hispanics and Asians. Newer Americans tend to be more favorable to a paternalistic government. That was also true of the white working class in the 1950s. Today they are ever more solidly Republican. I expect we will see similar developments with the grandchildren of Asian and Hispanic immigrants as they become better integrated.

Beyond all that, it is interesting to see how liberals hide their ideology when they run. If you look at the Democratic campaigns, you would not be sure that Barack Obama was the leader of their party.

Posted by: C&J at November 2, 2014 3:16 PM
Comment #384804

Landrieu of La. seems to be making an appeal to all women and all blacks in her gnarly worded statement on women and southern blacks being disenfranchised, and so on - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at November 2, 2014 8:27 PM
Comment #384807

C&J & George,
The GOP might wish it appealed to young people. But when Texas passes a ‘Voter ID’ law that recognizes concealed weapon carry cards, but not student ID cards, the actions speak louder than words.

The GOP might wish it appealed to blacks. But when North Carolina passes a ‘Voter ID’ law that does away with early voting and voting on Sunday- because so many blacks vote on Sunday, after attending church- the actions speak louder than words.

As for Ferguson…

I have not seen the political ad in GA. There are a lot of unsavory ads out there, to say the least, and thanks to Citizens United, it is often difficult to know who produced them. Large amounts of out-of-state money are poured into state and local elections, and with the “dark money,” which accounts for the lion’s share of ads backing the GOP, no one knows where they came from.

The problem with Ferguson is that the demographics of the town changed, but not its political structure. An incredibly high number of blacks in Ferguson do not vote. Although the town is 67% black, only 11.7% of all voters bother to vote: 6% of blacks, and 17% of whites. As a result, the mayor is a white Republican, 5/6 city council members are white, and 50/53 policemen are white.

That so few people vote is a matter of design. The city intentionally schedules its municipal election as a stand alone affair, so that it does not coincide with other elections. This actually costs more, but enables the white power structure to hold onto its power because only its vested interests have incentive to vote.

So urging voters in Georgia to not allow themselves to become another Ferguson is entirely appropriate. A staggering number of blacks do not bother to vote in Georgia. This year, a voter registration drive, the New Georgia Project, registered a large number of blacks.

The Republican Secretary of State lost 40,000 of those new voter registrations.

Those new registrations are predominantly black, and represent what would be about 1% of the vote. If previous patterns hold true, most of that would go to Democrats such as the Senate candidate, Nunn. The Georgia Senate race requires 50% for the winner, or else there will be a run-off. If Nunn comes in at 49%, there will be a lot of questions about what happened there.

A judge denied the New Georgia Project when it sued the Secretary of State. According to the judge, the votes will presumably turn up… eventually…

Sam Jones,
Anyone supporting a ‘stand your ground’ law richly deserves to have Trayvon Martin’s picture shoved in their face. Absolutely.

Posted by: phx8 at November 2, 2014 10:34 PM
Comment #384808

phx8, I am not an expert on the subject, although I do have one; but it’s my understanding that holders of conceal carry ID’s require birth certificates or photo drivers license, along with an FBI background check in order to be issued. That means the FBI has proven they are an American citizen and approved the ID. A school ID is nothing more than a photo ID issued by the school. Do school ID’s require an FBI background check?

Regarding NC and the rest of your talking points…are these comments taken off the democrat political advertisements, or do you have some sort of proof? I know how the liberal talking points never really tell all the facts.

Regarding the stand your ground laws, Florida has upheld the law. Just another liberal talking point. Just as conceal carry laws (thanks to the courts) are being implemented in more and more states, we also find stand your ground laws being implemented. I know this upsets the left, but it makes the rest of America feel a hell of a lot safer.

Posted by: George at November 2, 2014 11:06 PM
Comment #384809

The real question is…will Harry Reid retire or will he quit for health reasons when the Republicans take the Senate. I honestly don’t believe he could handle being in the minority; especially since he passed the nuclear option of a simple majority vote. Of course, I’m sure the lefties on WB would continue to be 100% behind doing away with the filibuster. Since they have been crying for 6 years that it’s unfair. LOL

Posted by: George at November 2, 2014 11:14 PM
Comment #384810

C&J,
You write: “Beyond all that, it is interesting to see how liberals hide their ideology when they run. If you look at the Democratic campaigns, you would not be sure that Barack Obama was the leader of their party.”

When it comes to Obama’s popularity, you mistake the high profile races for the Senate in southern and rural states as representative of the entire country. It is true, Obama is not popular in the former slave states of the Confederacy or the border states. He is very popular elsewhere.

Keep in mind, Obama is currently the target of literally hundreds of millions in negative advertising.

Worse, much of the recent good news has been swamped in ridiculous fear mongering over Ebola, ISIS, and immigration.

The stock market just hit new highs again. GDP came in at 3.5%. The CPI was -.2 and the PPI -.1, so inflation is negligible. Interest rates will remain at record lows for the foreseeable future. The unemployment report this coming Friday is expected to come in at 200,000 or higher again. The greatest concern, voiced by Yellin at the Fed, remains lack of wage growth. We can simply wait for the expanding economy to pick up the slack, and eventually wages will grow. A better idea would be to act today and increase the minimum wage. There are a lot of other fixes, but that is the easy, obvious one. Many states have already done it.

Posted by: phx8 at November 2, 2014 11:16 PM
Comment #384811

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Posted by: George at November 2, 2014 11:17 PM
Comment #384812

phx8

Re Ferguson - what would you propose? The police force was in place before. Would you fire half the force based on race? It is time to call shenanigans on this. What would you do when this goes the other way? If Asians replace blacks, do you fire the blacks? Racism still exists in America, but it is not the determiner some people claim. It is time for all groups to pull their own weight. If the community won’t vote and won’t participate in local government, they have no real basis for complaints.

Recall what I wrote about up top. I fear that we will have more “white solidarity.” Non-Hispanic white still make up more than 60% of the population. If whites were to vote as much a block as blacks, it would be very bad for all involved. We all KNOW that racism is not the big issue you say it is.

Re Obama - The Democrat from New Hampshire explained that he had better things to do than come there. The challenger in Kentucky won’t admit she voted for him. In South Dakota, Alaska & Iowa, Republicans gain every time they can tie their opponents to Obama. It is not only the South.

Obama disapproval rates are higher than 50% in 43 of the 50 states. You may recall that the Old Confederacy, that ended almost 150 years ago, encompassed only 11 states. No, you cannot blame this one on Jeff Davis. And recall that Obama’s disapproval rate was only 13% in 2009. He earned his low numbers in the last six years.

Re the stock market - yes, well-off people like me are happy with that. The median American, however, is still making less than he did in 2008.

Posted by: C&J at November 3, 2014 12:17 AM
Comment #384866

Oil is down to $80 a barrel, gas prices dropping to $3/gallon or lower, and gold continues to tank, below $1200 now. People are going to have more money in their pockets this Christmas. Look for a boom in retail sales this December.

All the negativity and in the world can’t hide what is happening.

Posted by: phx8 at November 3, 2014 1:13 AM
Comment #384920

phx8

I have been talking about the coming U.S. energy boom for several years. I have even credited Obama for not standing in the way. But I don’t think we can credit him with being a strong positive force in fracking and many Democrats were and are actively against American fossil fuel energy.

I am a positive type guy. I am optimistic about America. The economy recovers and had Obama’s policies been smarter, it would have recovered quicker. With any luck, we will reach 2007 levels in median income and employment by the time Obama leaves office. And under better management after that, we do move ahead even faster.

Posted by: C&J at November 3, 2014 7:43 AM
Comment #384921

C&J,
It is not just US energy policy or the contributions of alternative energies that are causing oil prices to drop. Other economies, such as China, are slowing, so there is a lessening demand for oil and other commodities. Also, The Sunnis and Iranians might be engaged in a price war. They are already fighting each other by proxy in Syria and Iraq. For once, we might actually benefit from that conflict.

It is a shame this midterm got swamped by baseless media-induced fear over Ebola, ISIS, and immigration. Regardless of the election’s outcome, it will leave everyone floundering and without a mandate for direction, unless catering to fear qualifies as policy.

Posted by: phx8 at November 3, 2014 9:47 AM
Comment #384922

Another consideration re falling oil prices. The Sunni countries of the Middle East have the lowest production costs of anyone in the world by far; much lower than Iran, Iraq, the US, Venezuela, Russia, Canada, and others. The Sunnis could conceivably drop oil prices very low and keep the market flooded, thus ultimately increasing their own market share while absolutely killing alternative energies and foreign competitors. They are more than capable of doing this.

It would be ironic if the Keystone Pipeline died because Canada could no longer afford to produce such expensive oil. Most oil production outside the Middle East would start to collapse @ $70 per barrel. The Sunnis can take it as low as $40 and still be ok.

Posted by: phx8 at November 3, 2014 10:49 AM
Comment #384930

To the socialists, so you’re saying the increased production of oil on private lands (we know Obama has done all he can to block it on public land), has had nothing to do with the falling oil prices?

Posted by: George at November 3, 2014 3:40 PM
Comment #384931

Phx8

I understand there are other factors, but the incredible rise in U.S. production has given us much more leverage. AND even if prices were to be the same w/o American energy boom, that money would be leaving the country instead of staying here. It is truly a massive stimulus.

Re flooding the market - they have this weapon, but it is less effective when you have a ceiling price. W/o the American energy boom, they could flood the market at $80-100. Now they will have to keep it much lower and for a longer time. No matter how you look at, American energy is a good thing. And the Sunnis just don’t have that much oil that they can quickly pump and move. This is the part of life-cycle people fail to account. You can have an ocean of oil, but if you cannot move it, you got nothing.

Posted by: C&J at November 3, 2014 3:40 PM
Comment #384932

Sorry C&J, but for years the left has been telling us it would take at least 10 years to see production of oil after presidential and EPA approval…and yet we find the left believes third world middle-east countries, in the midst of war and rebellions, are able to produce and sell oil over night.

Posted by: George at November 3, 2014 3:48 PM
Comment #384933

George

I often wonder about their frames of reference. They seem to have a kind of game-like view, like in a video game when you make a move and instantly things change in the exact way the operators wants.

I think that one of the big differences between the intellectual left and the intellectual right (leave out the weirdos and fools on both sides) is that the right better understands the systemic nature of society and economy. We understand better that there are lag times and that nothing really comes out exactly as planners envisioned. You have to deal with the messy real world, not the neat plans.

Posted by: C&J at November 3, 2014 4:16 PM
Comment #384936

C&J & George,
Saudi can for all practical purposes ‘turn it on overnight’ and flood the markets with oil. They do have that ability, at least compared with the rest of the world. Their oil is ‘sweeter,’ less costly to refine, and less polluting. Saudi & the Emirates & Kuwait have small populations to support and huge reserves. They can produce oil at a break-even of $40.

It is a matter of supply and demand. Today, the price of oil dropped again to $78. Part of the reason is due to increases in US production through hydraulic fracking. The break-even for oil fracing is $85. In addition, Canada has increased its production. Canadian & US shale oils are dirty and polluting. They cost more to produce and refine. Their break-even is $70 and higher. Other foreign producers, such as Russia and Iran, also have higher break-evens than the Sunnis.

Finally, a slowdown in demand in China and Europe has lessened demand, also contributing to falling oil prices.

Make no mistake. Obama will receive credit for the falling oil prices and the US economy will boom. Anyone like airline stocks?

But the US is not the only country with an agenda, and other countries are fully capable of playing a long game. The Saudis can keep the market flooded for years without suffering much. They may well choose to keep market share and accept lower oil prices. Killing hydraulic fracking, alternative energies, and most importantly of all, the electric care, while simultaneously denying Iran oil revenues might be more important to them than short-term profits.

Not everybody who helps you is your friend.

Posted by: phx8 at November 3, 2014 7:53 PM
Comment #384937

Phx8

Not all refineries can take the sweet oil. Most of our Gulf ports, for example, are geared up for heavy crude.

Fracked oil is not dirty. In fact, it is light and sweet, which creates some problems in the aforementioned Gulf refineries.

Re Obama getting credit for the American energy boom - he deserves some credit for not standing in the way, but I doubt he will get much credit because his rhetoric and that of most Democrats has been so against drilling and fossil fuels. This is one of the reasons why Obama is so unpopular in energy producing regions.

The Saudis cannot kill fracking. One reason is natural gas. Natural gas is not traded internationally the way oil is. It is the abundant natural gas that is more exciting and we are quickly converting our energy matrix to take more of it, including in transportation and especially in electricity generation. Oil and gas are byproducts in many cases, i.e. if you take out the gas you get oil and the reverse. In some places they get “too much” gas and flare it off. As the gas market develops, we will have less of this waste.

Fracking is becoming more efficient and the break even rates are dropping. Indeed, the Saudis and their neighbors are low cost producers, but they are unenthusiastic about very low prices.

Posted by: C&J at November 3, 2014 8:17 PM
Comment #384944
It is a matter of supply and demand. Today, the price of oil dropped again to $78. Part of the reason is due to increases in US production through hydraulic fracking.

Thanks for agreeing phx8; although I’m sure you didn’t mean to.

Perhaps you could explain why Saudi would increase production??? What does it do for them? If they increase and prices go down…it’s positive for us; if the decrease production and we increase, it’s positive for us. If we have the ability to produce our own oil, it’s a win/win. But in countries like Saudi, a loss in profits hits them hard, since they have noting else to produce and require so many imports. Regarding Obama and the production of oil, C&J is being nice to Obama by saying he did not block the production. I say he has not helped production and has used the EPA and any other means to block production of all fossil fuels. There was a time when states like WV and Kentucky were completely blue, but the democrats war on coal has turned these states red. You can spin it any way you want, but these are the facts.

None of this changes the fact that the left has been claiming for decades that any easing of rules or property to produce oil would take at least 10 years to see the oil hit the market. Well, the fracking on private lands has proven this to be another false talking point of the left. Just think where we would be financially, if offshore and federal lands had been opened to oil and gas production. The truth is that the left hates fossil fuels and does not care how it hurts the American people. Obama told us when he was running the first time how his policies on coal would drive up the cost of electricity…and it has. The problem is, the American people did not here his socialist agenda, they only heard the “Change”. The reason the democrats are going to lose so bad today is because the American people are fed up with Obama’s agenda.

Posted by: George at November 4, 2014 8:15 AM
Comment #384948

New oil fields can take years to come online. The Saudi fields are already in place. The infrastructure is already there. They can produce a lot more oil in a matter of months.

The Saudis have a budget, but they also have enormous amounts of wealth. They can withstand years of lower revenue without much hardship. By flooding the market and dropping prices, they are causing hardship to the Iranians, who have a large population and are their chief rivals in the Middle East in every sense- militarily, politically, and in terms of religion. The Saudis also undermine higher energy costs- not natural gas prices, but oil and alternative energies. They want the US and the rest of the world dependent on oil. Their oil.

Coal is on the way out, and has been for a long time. This is too bad for KY & WV. We have a lot of coal, no question. Those states can vote blue or red, but that will not change the basic economics of the problem. Coal is no longer competitive. It pollutes the air, it costs too much, it destroys the physical environment, it creates greenhouse gases, and it is dangerous for miners to produce. Times have changed. Technology has made new alternative energy sources available. States like KY& WV need to diversify their economies.

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