The Real War Against Women

Reince Priebus is worried that Republicans are not doing enough to deflect the Democratic “war on women” campaigning, by focusing on women’s role within the GOP and doing a little more “bragging.” That’s a tough call, because once you take on the ideological position espoused by those who use the “war on women” accusation against the GOP, you are doing battle with a view that at it’s heart is radical. And that means that you end up defending fairly modest family values against all sorts of indictments. That of course alienates a good part of the GOP base and no one wants that. The right way seems to be pragmatic and focused, as in the over the counter birth control issue that seems to have served the GOP well. It pays attention to women’s concerns while not entering the mea culpa terrain where male identity is seen as guilty until proven innocent.


Of course, there is another more aggressive way of turning the war on women motif against the Dems, as is being done in Florida against Charlie Crist for having accepted campaign money from strip-club owners. The support women's groups have given in the past to the sex trade industry has waned as they realize that prostitution and pornography around the world involves slave-like conditions that demean and exploit vulnerable women. The GOP needs to remind people in general that family values should and do exist as a bulwark against current settled law that allows certain types of pornography under the first amendment. What is legally obscene is a judicial minefield and has boiled down to community standards which differ across the country. Las Vegas is not Missouri, in a nutshell. But those precedents, set down by a judiciary that complains all the way to the final gavel how hard their job is, have helped create a worldwide multibillion dollar sex industry that exploits women around the world. The GOP needs to keep reminding people that faith and family values, as well as being pragmatic on issues like over the counter birth control, is what helps against the real war against women, the one that is carried out by the sex trade industry.

Posted by Keeley at October 30, 2014 9:48 AM
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Comment #384698

It never fails to amaze me. Conservative Republicans just do not get it. They do not understand the ‘War on Women’ is a sustained legislative assault against women’s issues, ranging from fair pay to contraceptives to choice. They know they fair poorly with women. Yet they simply cannot understand why. They just can’t help themselves. Again and again, they fall back on ‘religious belief’ as a justification for waging this sustained legislative assault, whether it consists of personhood amendments or the Hobby Lobby decision.

Remember how the GOP voting unanimously against the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act? Every. Single. One.

Remember how Sandra Fluke testified about the need for women to have access to birth control? Rush Limbaugh spent the next three days calling her everything in the book. 53 different times. He was warned to stop. He kept doing it. For three days.

And to this day, conservatives still listen to him.

And there was that unforgettable picture of the panel the GOP called to testify about the availability of birth control. It consisted of five religious leaders- all men.

Conservatives do not seem to understand the basics of female physiology. It’s that whole science thing and the distrust of science. The pill, for example, involves a lot more than just a use as birth control. Many older women use it for HRT, hormone replacement therapy. There is a good reason Obamacare makes it a free part of health care, rather than requiring women to pay for it out of pocket.

Seriously. Conservatives! You don’t get it. But make an effort. Talk to your wives and girlfriends and daughters about this. And listen.

Posted by: phx8 at October 31, 2014 1:44 AM
Comment #384702

It never fails to amaze me how women accept leftist hyperbole as the truth.

Women are paid the same as men doing the exact same work and with the same responsibilities. And if they aren’t, there are legal options they can take.
Not being provided something for nothing, does not mean you are being denied access to anything.
Other than a few hardcore religious types, most people don’t care if or why a woman takes the pill, they just don’t want to be forced to pay for it.

The gets why the left uses the equal pay rhetoric to get scare up votes. We get why the left now perverts the meaning of access to help boost their calls for government provided healthcare. We also get why the left screams “religion” to deflect away from freedom of choice.
We get it, we just don’t agree with it.

Oh, and I have spoken with my wife and 17 year old daughter, friends and family also. They also don’t like to be forced to do things against their will.

Posted by: kctim at October 31, 2014 10:37 AM
Comment #384703

It never fails to amaze me how Democratics always insist they are right and everyone who disagrees with them is wrong. phx8 is as wrong about Republicans voting for this law as he was about the success of the Oregon Obamacare website! His credibility is shot!

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 31, 2014 12:38 PM
Comment #384729

kctim,
If you think any of my statements are undocumented by neutral sources, just let me know & I will be glad to provide links. It is not a matter of hyperbole. What I state are documented facts.

Here is a simple question. There are 45 Republican Senators, but only four of them are female. There are 234 Republicans in the House, but only 19 women. Why is that?

So, you support freedom of choice.

“Oh, and I have spoken with my wife and 17 year old daughter, friends and family also. They also don’t like to be forced to do things against their will.”

There have been a large number of personhood amendments passed by conservative Republicans on both the state and federal level. Do you oppose them?

Weary Willie,
I stand corrected. In the House, 211 Republicans voted against the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, and eight voted for it.

Posted by: phx8 at October 31, 2014 4:12 PM
Comment #384731

As with the Oregon Website?, do you correct yourself there as well?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 31, 2014 4:42 PM
Comment #384733

phx8: “Here is a simple question. There are 45 Republican Senators, but only four of them are female. There are 234 Republicans in the House, but only 19 women. Why is that?”

Ask the electorate. Are you suggesting that elections are rigged? Are you suggesting that Republicans and Conservatives hate women? Do we actually hate our mothers, sisters, daughters and wives?

Since dems and libs brag about their majority of women voters it may be logical for them to have more women in public office. Just a guess.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 31, 2014 4:50 PM
Comment #384734

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Posted by: Weary Willie at October 31, 2014 5:10 PM
Comment #384735

Simple question for phx8. With six years in office and a proclamation that the midterm election is about HIS policies…why are the dems in danger of losing the senate?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 31, 2014 5:15 PM
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WW,
The Cover Oregon website was originally supposed to allow people to find out eligibility for subsidies and then enroll. The feature for enrolling with a subsidy failed. The site was replaced by one that gave all the basic information, such as comparing quotes from providers. Since I was not eligible for a subsidy, I used the site to compare providers, find the best rate, and then I simply called the provider and obtained health insurance for me and my wife. It costs us $606/month for one year.

For people who qualified for Obamacare subsidies, they needed to go through the federal web site. Same thing happened in Nevada. In Oregon, the private company that failed so badly was Oracle, and in Nevada, Xerox.

In Oregon, about 250,000 people ultimately signed up for Obamacare through the federal web site. (That number does not include people like me, who only used the substitute site for information and then signed up with a private health insurer on my own). Ultimately, while 7 million were projected to sign up for Obamacare, 8 million actually enrolled.

Royal Flush,
I did not ask the electorate. I asked kctim. Simple question. I did not suggest an explanation. I asked kctim what he thought. You are welcome to provide an explanation. Conservatives seem to feel there is no such thing as a War on Woman- that is, a sustained legislative assault against women’s issues- yet women are severely under-represented in the legislature. Why is that? Conservatives have consistently opposed legislation that would be considered favorable for women, usually in the name of religious belief, or an objection that government should not be tax anyone in order to make the country a better place.

So that is the basic conundrum conservatives face. Do you support free choice? Do you think the government should be able to force itself on individuals?

Or do you support personhood bills?

Personhood bills would outlaw many forms of birth control. Do you feel conservatives have a right to make that decision for women, based on their own religious belief?

Posted by: phx8 at October 31, 2014 5:47 PM
Comment #384737

Phx8, it’s your opinion about those things that are hyperbole.
You pretend Ledbetter was about the GOP wanting to pay women less than men, but it was about the statute of limitations for presenting a lawsuit.
You pretend Rush IS the all of the right, so you claim he called every woman who uses the pill a slut. He didn’t.
Who the hell cares who the GOP called to testify about the availability of birth control? Did they lie about its availability? Are we to assume President Obama is at war with white people when he meets with four other black guys and talks about the availability of guns? Sheesh.

Here’s a simple answer to your simple question: There are only 19 women because only 19 women won their elections. Race, gender or religion have NOTHING to do with who I decide to vote for, and I find it to be a very pitiful flaw of the lefts to be so hung up on those things when choosing who they vote for.

Yes, unlike the left, I actually do support freedom of choice. That is why I support abortion as an option. Again, unlike the left, I am also capable of understanding and respecting those opposed to it. Because of that, I do not make stupid ‘war on women’ comments, I actually converse with them and try to find common ground.
I will vote against personhood amendments, but I won’t not vote for somebody who supports them if they hold the proper positions on the important issues.

Posted by: kctim at October 31, 2014 5:50 PM
Comment #384738

phx8: ” Do you support free choice?”

Absoutely! No one should be forced by government to purchase any product or service. No union should be allowed to force a company to hire only its members. No child should be forced to enroll in substandard schools. No atheist should force a community to remove religious images from the public square. No government should prevent women from purchasing any legal product they desire with their own money.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 31, 2014 6:08 PM
Comment #384741

kctim,
The left supports freedom of choice. So do you. Glad to hear it. The left supports abortion as an option. It is up to the woman and her doctor to choose.

Personhood amendments deny that choice to a woman, and those bills a hallmark of the War on Women being waged by conservatives today.

Royal Flush,
The Democrats are in danger of losing control of the Senate because this is a midterm during the second term of a president, which has been favorable for the opposition party every time since the presidency of James Monroe (except for 1998, when the GOP impeachment of Clinton resulted in a terrible outcome for Republicans, and caused Newt Gingrich to lose his job). Turnout for midterms is traditionally low, which is very unfavorable for Democrats.

In addition, the Senate map is highly favorable to the GOP. No question about it, the math favors the GOP, and if polls are right- a big if- they will pick up a lot of seats, with a decent shot at a majority. If the polls are right, the GOP will gain a dozen or so seats in the House too. For governors, it is basically a toss-up. The Democrats might even pick up one or two there.

For Republicans, this is like being born on third base and imagining they hit a triple. They will imagine this midterm is a referendum on Obama and a mandate for them, but that will be a HUGE mistake. It will encourage Republicans to keep doing what they are doing, and this is precisely the wrong message to take away from this midterm, The result will catastrophic in 2016.

Why? Because in 2016, the Senate math will be MORE than twice as favorable for Democrats. It will be a presidential election with high turnout, and the Senate seats up for grabs will either be in solidly blue states, or vulnerable Republican seats in blue or purple states. Its a nightmare for Republicans. To make it even worse, the Democrats will either back a strong candidate like Hillary Clinton, or someone even stronger. The GOP is in serious trouble with its potential slate of weak candidates.

Conservatives need to make huge changes, but the ebbing tide of the 2014 midterm will encourage them to believe they are being vindicated and not to change. But that ebbing tide is what happens before a tsunami. When the big wave comes, the Senate could easily go from a GOP majority in 2014 to a Democratic supermajority in 2016.


Posted by: phx8 at October 31, 2014 6:34 PM
Comment #384742

“You pretend Ledbetter was about the GOP wanting to pay women less than men, but it was about the statute of limitations for presenting a lawsuit.”

You don’t see the relationship?

Posted by: Rich at October 31, 2014 6:43 PM
Comment #384744

phx8: “They will imagine this midterm is a referendum on Obama and a mandate for them, but that will be a HUGE mistake.”

Your incorrect if you listen to your own party leader obama. He proudly proclaims in TV commercials I hear that the midterm election is all about HIS policies.

Regarding the 2016 election your math is probably correct today. There will be two years of tomorrows that can change that dramatically. I believe I will stay with now rather than predict the future. Politics is a hard game to handicap.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 31, 2014 6:53 PM
Comment #384745

Correction: “You’re”

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 31, 2014 6:54 PM
Comment #384746

There is very little political advertising in Oregon, other than for some initiatives and local campaigns. The bigger races were foregone conclusions, so the national groups pulled their money. If Obama proclaimed the midterm was about his policies, it would benefit the Democrats in Oregon, since Obama is popular here. Presumably that advertising is intended for states where Obama is unpopular.

Unfortunately, the midterms were swamped by media hyped fear of Ebola, ISIS, and to a lesser extent, illegal immigrants. Ebola and ISIS have already faded as issues, which makes the meaning of the outcome of the midterms even more unclear.

Posted by: phx8 at October 31, 2014 8:09 PM
Comment #384748

Phx8 uses the leftist talking points referring to Rush Limbaugh and women. Simply sour grapes because he is so successful and so well liked. The likes of Alan Combs and other socialist on radio would love to have Rush’s audience.

Next week the American electorate will replace socialist democrats - both men and women, with conservative - both men and women. “War on Women” is a rallying call to their WB type extreme base; just as “Starving Children”, “Cutting money for Education”, “Cutting SS for Old People”, “Doing away with Medicare”, “Privatizing SS”, “Throwing Grandma off the Cliff”, and many other claims that have been made for the past 40 years. The American electorate is becoming wise to these comments. Let’s see how Mary Landrieu of LA does next week. She has reached the frantic point in her campaign when she has to double down on the old leftist shrill language. I would be willing to say, she has hurt herself. A perfect example of the left’s panic can be seen in the shrill campaign adds that Andrew Cuomo has conducted in NY. Every shrill claim mention above, plus more dealing with gun control has been used…and are complete lies. This is the party of phx8 in action.

Posted by: George at November 1, 2014 8:40 AM
Comment #384749

Since I am a black man out of the old south, I pay more attention to what is going on in the black community. And what I am seeing has been a long time coming. There is a movement among black leaders in Detroit, Chicago, and other cities to blast the democratic party for these same old election day talking points. Black leaders are claiming that democrats make the same points every election day, but never do anything FOR blacks. We are seeing insanity on the left.

Posted by: George at November 1, 2014 8:49 AM
Comment #384753

George,

“Phx8 uses the leftist talking points referring to Rush Limbaugh and women. Simply sour grapes because he is so successful and so well liked.”

So, are we to assume you believe success and popularity are the new criteria for saying anything you want to?

How shallow of you.

The Kardashians are successful, and popular, and you think they’re right, right?

Sorry, you just can’t just call a young woman a whore repeatedly on national radio and not be called out on it.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at November 1, 2014 11:07 AM
Comment #384754

Rocky Marks, that was over a year ago? He apologized, isn’t that supposed to be enough? Talk about sour grapes!

What happened to the first amendment, Rocky Marks?

Where is your disdain for how Alec Baldwin speaks, or Dave Letterman, or Bill Mahar?

The hypocrisy is so transparent it reeks.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 1, 2014 11:55 AM
Comment #384758


“What happened to the first amendment, Rocky Marks?”

What about it Willie?

Is there something in the First Ammendment that says I can’t make a comment?

Sheesh.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at November 1, 2014 1:18 PM
Comment #384759

Oh, and btw Willie,

“It never fails to amaze me how Democratics always insist they are right and everyone who disagrees with them is wrong.”

Yeah, and conservatives never do that, right Willie.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at November 1, 2014 1:22 PM
Comment #384766

Should you be punished for commenting the way you want Rush punish for his comments?

All I ask is if you want to comment don’t be a hypocrite while doing it. Let’s see you condemn David Letterman’s treatment of Sarah Palin’s underage daughter.

How about calling out Harry Reid for saying people visiting Washington stink. While you’re at it, condemn his blatant hypocrisy when refusing to fund cancer research during his government shutdown.

I could go on and on but I know it’s lost on you. I’ll never get past the partisan blinders that seems to be standard issue to the Democratic Party faithful.

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