Scottish Independence From the Viewpoint of An American

Right now U.S. media is giving full attention to IS in Iraq and Syria and U.S. plans to attack this radical group. Unfortunately what is not getting so much attention is the upcoming vote on independence in the United Kingdom. After weeks of polls showing the probability of independence being gained by the Scotts as a far off dream, the situation has suddenly changed with such a prospect becoming a very real possibility when the vote takes place Thursday September 18th. As a history buff and an Anglophile, the prospect of a break-up of the union is worrisome. More importantly if such an event were to occur, the ramifications wouldn’t be confined to sentimental fluff. There are big consequences for the EU and for existing international security structures. This vote deserves far more attention than what it is receiving.


The United Kingdom has existed for 307 years and its impact on the world over that time has been enormous. Once the greatest colonial power of which it was said "the empire on which the sun never sets" it has influenced governments, legal systems, cultures all over the world and facilitated the spread of English as a global language. True there were problems in colonialism and at home during that time. Things haven't been always so peaceful in the UK, most recently the Troubles which existed in Northern Ireland. Regardless, the union with Scotland has been especially strong throughout the past century. So why now do the Scotts seek independence? One is the belief that Scotland can sustain itself economically with North Sea oil while being fully independent of London control. Truth is through devolution Scotland already enjoys a great deal of independence and the British government has recently offered them more to stay in the union.

So what are some problems if Scotland votes for independence? The UK military has consistently been a partner in military interventions with the U.S. over the years but an independent Scotland would lessen the ability of the UK to continue in that capacity. The British submarine based nuclear deterrent is currently based in Scotland. The Scotts have already demanded that if independence is achieved, the submarine base is to be removed, a matter that will take some time. Nuclear weapons though aren't the only concern as the questions still stands of what would happen to UK conventional forces which would no doubt be weakened as a result. On top of years of shrinking defense budgets, the UK will most likely provide a portion of its forces to Scotland. True Scotland will be a U.S. ally but with its own foreign policy might not have the same enthusiasm for assisting the U.S. as London does.

There are economic ramifications as well. The stock markets are not going to take kindly to a sudden breakup of the UK and this can and will negatively hurt the pound. Never mind the numerous business that will be impacted and be forced to make changes since their operations which had been in one country will now be in two. The Scotts will face numerous problems. One is the issue of sustainability of oil revenue and it has already been shown that some estimates of potential field outputs have been grossly overestimated. Government services will be reduced at least initially while prices of foodstuff and other commodities will increase.

The problems will also spread to the rest of Europe. One can't say that the Scotts have been oppressed by London over the years; the British haven't been actively working towards destroying the Scott identity. What is being seen is a grouping in a country that are living in relative harmony while now actively seeking to leave and become independent despite having a shared history over centuries. Other regions in Europe will say if the Scotts can do it so can we. Already the independence movements in Northern Italy, in the Basque Country and Catalonia in Spain are salivating for a Scottish victory. A vote for Scottish independence could provide a boost to the independence movements in these countries and further weaken the national governments.

The prospect of the breakup of the UK is a sad one. Many positives have been promised by those wishing for independence while many negatives have been ignored. They tout the economic benefits that Scotland would reap from North Sea oil while dismissing the incredible inequality that exists in Scotland. While tentative plans have been made for what would follow if independence is achieved, they haven't been fully thought out and to that end the difficulties that Scotts would face at least initially have been underplayed. Ultimately many have argued that the economic benefits will be minimal but what would be assured is a reduction in international and European power, influence, and importance for both the remainder of the UK and a newly independent Scotland. When the leaders of the independence movement say that they would seek to remain on the pound and retain the Queen as their sovereign, I'm forced to ask, is the promise of a couple more pounds in the pocket of an average Scott really worth the dismantling of the Union?

Posted by SPBrooker at September 22, 2014 5:02 PM
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Comment #383653

I’m more concerned about what is happening in the U.S. What might happen if Obama wins the 08 election, and so on —-

Posted by: roy ellis at September 22, 2014 9:18 PM
Comment #383654

Good laugh, Roy.

Posted by: Rich at September 22, 2014 9:43 PM
Comment #383665

I guess I’m confused here, is this supposed to be a joke? I mean, the vote was held last week…

We know that Scotland turned down their independence, but it didn’t matter to the PM of the UK, either way he ended up getting what he wanted.

If they voted yes, then Scotland wouldn’t have their Workers Party members in parliament, giving the Conservatives a huge advantage.

If they voted now, then as part of Devolution, Scotland’s members in parliament wouldn’t be allowed to vote on England based laws, giving the Conservatives a huge advantage.

Either way, it was a win for the Conservatives in England that this took place, the outcome was irrelevant.

One interesting note:

“Investigators of Police Scotland are looking into possible voter fraud in the council of Glasgow. Ten voters have discovered that someone had voted under their names at their polling stations across the city. This method of fraud is termed ‘personation’.”

They must be bonkers, we all know that that type of voter fraud never happens.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 22, 2014 11:10 PM
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There are Many People who believe that the Scottish Referendum Vote was Rigged, and those who wish to Research this can type the words: Scottish Referendum Rigged, into an Internet Search Engine, and they will see the Abundant Evidence of this.

There is a Video Titled: Best Video Scottish Vote Rigging by MI5 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZRYVE4naHc , and the Video which uses Sarcasm as the Lowest Form of Wit, and is Titled: Evidence the Scottish Independence Vote Was Rigged, Balderdash, at http://www.activistpost.com/2014/09/evidence-scottish-independence-vote-was.html .

The Real Reason these False Promises were made by Gordon Benedict Arnold Brown, and David Liar Cameron, and ED liED Milliband, was Not because it would have changed the Majority of the Voters Decision to Vote Yes for a Free, Democratic, and Independent Scotland.

The Real Reason was to make it look like the Scottish Voters had a Reason to changed their Voting Intention, because the Orders were given to Rig the Referendum Result using Widespread Systematic Voter Fraud, and Vote Rigging of Every Type, for which Westminster are the Undisputed Experts.

There are Many People who think that Gordon Benedict Arnold Brown, and David Liar Cameron, and ED liED Milliband should also immediately resign, even as Alex Salmon resigned after the Rigged Vote was announced, because they immediately went back on their ‘Honest Pledge’ to the Scottish People with their Promises of Maximum Devolution for Scotland.

The English are not Obliged to keep their word, because it was Only on the Condition that Maximum Devolution would occur if Scotland Votes No to Independence, and the English Know that Scotland Voted Yes for Independence, and that the English and their Puppets Rigged the Referendum Vote.

There could be People who think that there could be other Reasons why the People of Scotland urgently need Independence from England, and they may want it to occur by means of British Legislation, rather than another Referendum, unless the English Prime Minister is replaced or resigns, and some may Peacefully Protest outside the English Parliament for Independence.

This is because under these Unique Circumstances, that the English are breaking International Law, and Murdering People, and Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland have a Human Right to be Independent from these Psychopaths.

One of those Reasons could be that England has announced that Britain is to be a Dictatorship, by the use of the Arbitrary Definition of extremism, and non violent extremism.

While the Informed know that Everyone is an extremist for what they believe and think and know, even as the English Politicians want their Salaries to an Extreme, rather than being Moderate and wanting their Salary in Moderation, which would mean a Reduced Salary, and we will not mention any Possible Bribe Money.

There is a speech that the British Prime Minister made, where he said that non violent extremism is just as dangerous as terrorism and must be eradicated using all means at the government’s disposal.

He made references to 9/11 and 7/7 Truthers as examples of the type of extremism that must be dealt in a similar fashion to ISIS, and I suspect he was Secretly Sending a Subliminal Message regarding those who believe that the Scottish Independence Referendum was Rigged.

That News Article is Titled: David Cameron Says Non Violent Conspiracy Theorists Are Just As Dangerous As ISIS at http://www.activistpost.com/2014/09/david-cameron-says-non-violent.html#disqus_thread .

There could be People who think that it could be a Conspiracy Theory by the Violent War Criminal English Prime Minister, who claims that Conspiracy Theorists Exist, and if Non Violent People with Opinions or with Facts are supposedly more dangerous that ISIS, then please explain the Conspiracy Theories of the former English Prime Minister Tony Blair and former American President George Bush which were used their Conspiracy Theory on Iraq as their Pretext for the Illegal and Immoral War in Iraq in 2003, which lead to the deaths of many People.

The answer by the Lying Apologists for their Lying War Mongers Partners, is that People make honest unintentional mistakes, but we All Know that those War Mongers Deliberately Lied, and so if these War Mongers are Allowed to Lie, and the Citizens of Anglo-America are Not Allowed to be honestly mistaken on a few occasions, then it is one Standard for Us Lying War Mongering Leaders of Anglo-America, and another Standard for Them so called Citizens of Anti-Democratic Anglo-America.

If the Anglo-American War Mongers are Entitled to Lie and Murder, then we are Entitled to our Opinions, and we Reserve the Right to be wrong, if we are wrong on some things.

In a Democracy, it is Impossible to have 100% agreement on Any Matter, and so the Solution is to have the Right to Free Speech, and to Agree to Disagree without becoming Disagreeable.

We All know that the Real Concern of the War Criminal Dictators of Anglo-America, is that Peace Loving People are speaking Proven Facts, which are Inconvenient to the War Criminal Dictators of Anglo-America, who would like People to be Deceived by the Lies that are written and spoken by their Puppets in the Western Mainstream Media.

America, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, have Secretly Funded and Armed ISIS along with the Syrian Free Army and the Al Nusra Front, and All of these are Allies of each other against Syria, which is a Democracy, and has recently held an Election, even though America and the others pretend that ISIS is not their Secret Ally against Iraq and Syria.

President Dwight Eisenhower warned the American People about the Military Industrial Complex, and America Secretly Employs ISIS to give Britain and America a Pretext to become Military Dictatorships, and a Pretext to be in Iraq and Syria, because America wants Military Bases in Iraq, and they want to give Syria to their ‘Moderate’ Terrorist Criminal Allies, who are Euphemistically called the Syrian Free Army, and this is because Iraq and Syria, along with Ukraine are some of the Vital Countries that are Needed for the Secret Plan by both Britain and America for WW 3.

We have seen how America has bombed Syrian Oil Fields using the Lie that the Secretly Funded ISIS gets its Money this way.

There is a claim that Turkey has allowed Illegal Shipments of ISIS controlled Syrian Oil, and yet Turkey says it is an enemy of ISIS.

ISIS controlled Syrian Oil can only go through Turkey, and Turkey has assisted ISIS Terrorists to go to Syria though its territory.

America would Only have to say to Turkey for it to not Illegally sell Syrian Oil that ISIS gives them to sell, in order to Fund ISIS.

ISIS was Created, Funded, and Armed by America, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, and the Real Plan is to give Secular Syria to ISIS, because Syria is where Israel wants to Ethnically Cleanse all of their Palestinian Arabs, and Syria is where Turkey wants to Ethnically Cleanse all of their Kurdish Citizens.

We know that ISIS has driven Syrian Kurds into Turkey, and those Syrian Kurds are now Refugees in Turkey, and while this is supposed to Deceive People that ISIS is not a Secret Ally of Turkey, and America, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, the Real Reason is to have the Turkish Kurds fight ISIS and justify a greater war in Syria.

There could be People who think that Peaceful Protesters in several American States will ask for Independence from the Evil and Criminal Psychopaths in Washington using the method I have already written for Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland to gain their Independence from England.

There are People wondering if they should do this before the American midterm Elections, or after the American midterm Elections.

The Reason is that is it might help Barack Obama and the Democrats in the Elections, because of any possible Abraham Lincoln popularity, because one or more American States claim their Human Right to be Independent from the Evil Psychopaths in Washington who break International Law, because they want to Murder People in order to make America an Islamic State.

There are Many People who think that Obama will bring Martial Law to America, and that American strikes on ISIS are mainly fake, because ISIS is America’s Secret Ally.

We can begin with a Known Fact, and that is that the Big Bankers of America and the other Plutocrats of America want to Control and Dominate the World, and to do that they need to Control and Dominate America in an Anti Democratic and Unconstitutional manner.

America has not been a Democracy for at least Decades, and is much less of a Constitutional Republic than it used to be, because of the Bribed and Corrupted Puppet Politicians in America serve the Big Bankers and other Plutocrats, before they serve rest of the American People.

The Big Bankers and Plutocrats of America want the Entire World to become Muslim including themselves, because they will choose a Caliphate who could be the President of Turkey, who is Recep Erdogan, because Many American Politicians like President Bill Clinton want to have more than one wife.

This makes sense of why 11 September 2001 happened, and for those who are Awake, then we Know that it could Only have happened with the orders or permission of Influential Americans of that time, who continue to be what can Generically be termed Influential Americans.

There is a Video which asks this question after examining Facts, and it is Titled: Obama Behind Muslim Brotherhood Caliphate Conspiracy at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VC4ea24_mQ , and the Video Titled: Obama Is Preparing the Military for Martial Law at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8vLon9nIOY .

The purpose of 11 September 2001, was to give the Pretext to Enact Unconstitutional Laws such as murdering American Citizens by the American President without a Trial, and Indefinite Detention of Americans without a Trial, and this is to Intimidate Americans to become Muslims if they want to live, or not be Detained Indefinitely, and this State Sponsored Terrorism is to make America an Islamic State, and to make Many other Countries like Syria an Islamic State in readiness for WW 3.

We can begin with a Known Fact, and that is that the Big Bankers of America and the other Plutocrats of America want to Control and Dominate the World, and to do that they need to Control and Dominate America in an Anti Democratic and Unconstitutional manner.

The Big Bankers and Plutocrats of America want the Entire World to become Muslim including themselves, because they will choose a Caliphate that could even be Barack Hussein Obama.

I think that this makes sense of why 11 September 2001 happened, and for those who are Awake, then we Know that it could Only have happened either by Influential Americans.

There is a Video which asks this question after examining Facts, and it is Titled: Obama Behind Muslim Brotherhood Caliphate Conspiracy at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VC4ea24_mQ .

The other Video is Titled: Obama Is Preparing the Military for Martial Law at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8vLon9nIOY .

The purpose of 11 September 2001, was to give the Pretext to Enact Unconstitutional Laws such as murdering American Citizens by the American President without a Trial, and Indefinite Detention of Americans without a Trial, and this is to Intimidate Americans to become Muslims if they want to live, or not be Detained Indefinitely.

This State Sponsored Terrorism is to make America an Islamic State, and to make Many other Countries like Syria an Islamic State in readiness for WW 3.

A News Article said: “Saudi Arabia Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al Faisal has reportedly said that in any political settlement in Syria, President Bashar al-Assad should be out of the picture as he has no role in it. Prince Faisal termed the Syrian crisis the greatest humanitarian tragedy of the century, and said that the longer the inner armed conflict continues, the greater the persistence of cruelty and increase in terrorism and extremism, and he added that Saudi Arabia fully supports the Syrian Rebel army.

The Syrian Rebels, who are Euphemistically called the Syrian Free Army by America are Foreign Jihadists who are Criminals and Terrorists, and who are not even Eligible to Vote in Syrian Elections, because they are Not Citizens of Syria, and Never were Citizens of Syria, but are Terrorists Funded by Anti Democratic Dictatorial Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel, and America.

There are Many People who think that Obama will bring Martial Law to America, and Obama Wrongly accused the Syrian Government of using chemical weapons against Syrian Citizens.

America invented ISIS as their Pretext, because the use of chemical weapons as a Pretext for War against Syria was not possible and at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10039672/UN-accuses-Syrian-rebels-of-chemical-weapons-use.html .

Obama knew all along, that it was the Callous Foreign Terrorists Euphemistically known as the Syrian Free Army who did that, and that happened in May of 2013, and there was no mention of ISIS at that time.

President Bashar al-Assad was recently Reelected with 88 % of the Vote, and the Reason the Vote was so high is because the Election Campaign said that if the Official Democratic Opposition, who received 12 % of the Vote were to win the Election during a time of war, and given the Circumstances, then America would use that as a Pretext to give Secular Democratic Syria to the Foreigners and Terrorists for WW 3.

The People of Syria have Voted for their Government in a Free, Fair, and Democratic Election, and they do not want WW 3.

Posted by: Journalist at September 30, 2014 6:15 AM
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