Democrats for impeachment

Democrats talk about impeachment 20 times as often as Republicans. The word impeachment has been used four times TOTAL by GOP members of Congress. On the other hand, Dem Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas) alone used the word 18 times. It is Democrats who want to talk about impeachment. Why so dishonest?

The most obvious reason is that it scares some of their more weak minded constituents who then give money money to Democrats. It also plays into the victim idea. Obama likes to portray himself as a victim. But maybe it is just wishful thinking on the part of Democrats.

Even Democrats know Obama doesn't really like the job of president and is not good at it. He is already working on what no doubt will be a successful post-presidential job.

Democrats would be happy to be rid of him early, but what they want even more is a fight about impeachment. Republicans (and American generally) would probably be glad to see Obama go, but there is no way that impeachment could succeed in removing him from office. He knows that; Democrats know that; Republicans know that and everybody know that everybody else knows. Except maybe Rep Sheila Jackson Lee. She seems a little cognitively challenged.

The sad fact is that we are stuck with Obama for a couple more years. When you make a mistake like this, the only thing you can do is resolve not to do it again. Hope and change are nice sounding words, but they are not the basis of a presidency.

Posted by Christine & John at August 8, 2014 7:02 AM
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Comment #381745
The word impeachment has been used four times TOTAL by GOP members of Congress.
C&J are asking us to believe that: Issa +Imhofe +Burgess +Kyl +Chaffetz +Coburn +Farenthold +Bentivolio +The House Judiciary Committee +King +Barletta +Boehner =4 times by GOP members of Congress?

Yet,

Dem Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas) alone used the word 18 times.

C&J would have us believe the repub members of Congress only used the words impeachment and Obama together once!

Not to mention the South Dakota Repub Party voting to call for impeachment. Not to mention the many mouths of the conservative propaganda machine, Palin comes to mind, that have urge our representatives to put forth articles of impeachment.

“Why so dishonest?” C&J?

If only we could harness all of this back pedaling by conservatives on this issue we could power the world.

….some of their more weak minded constituents who then give money….

Speak of the devil:

http://act.theteaparty.net/10026/impeach-president-obama-remove-him-from-office/


It also plays into the victim idea.

Speaking of victim reminds me of John Boehner, C&J, the leader of the HoR who can’t get the extremist in his party to agree to anything, lawsuit, impeachment both neither oh crap lets blame the dems!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/09/john-boehner-obama-impeachment_n_5570677.html

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/03/five-years-of-conservatives-calling-for-obamas/199555

http://www.c-span.org/video/?316596-1/house-judiciary-committee-presidential-powers-constitution

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/03/obama-impeachment_n_5645905.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/17/lou-barletta-impeach_n_5503121.html

Posted by: j2t2 at August 8, 2014 9:29 AM
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CJ, my what jingoistic tripe you spew. President Obama is supported by Democrats and will be long after he leaves office. He is bringing back a failed economy, thanks to the mess left by his predecessor, employment is up, we are finally seeing progress in his term of office even though he has had to deal with the caustic HoR and do nothing Republicans since 2010.

You might be better off determining who the best candidate would be from the Republican ranks as SPB had attempted to do than to reflect on President Obama’s short comings. Oh that’s right no matter who you present as candidates they have to get through the primaries and convention. With the base calling for cancer patients to just die, gay servicemen protecting us being booed and hissed at and none of us can forget Oooops. I can readily understand why you are reticent in attempting to determine what clown from the clown car you like the most.

Posted by: Speak4all at August 8, 2014 9:40 AM
Comment #381747

Do nothing HoR??????? Over 350 bills sent to the Senate from the HoR are sitting on Harry Reid’s “DO NOTHING” desk. As far as impeachment goes, Democrats are the ones beating the drum on that, it may have been brought up by some Republicans but it’s the Democrats who are flapping their gums about it.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 8, 2014 11:32 AM
Comment #381752

KAP, and which one of those bills does not have an amendment to damage or destroy the PPACA? I can tell you, not one of them not one. Harry Reid is doing exactly what we asked him to do protect the PPACA law from the loons running the HoR.

Posted by: Speak4all at August 8, 2014 12:50 PM
Comment #381753

We being the minority, speaks, a majority of people want parts or all of it repealed. The HoR is doing it’s job for the people that sent them there.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 8, 2014 1:14 PM
Comment #381754

Yeah, what is this brand new fascination with impeachment? No one ever mentioned impeachment before 2008, certainly not against the previous president.

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 8, 2014 1:24 PM
Comment #381755

KAP, we’ve been down this road before. You say the polls show people don’t like the PPACA in a majority of opinions however when the poll question is dissected there is a good number of people who don’t like the PPACA because it didn’t go far enough and they wanted single-payer. Then all of a sudden the majority you cited becomes a minority again. Look go ahead and try keeping the house and flipping the senate and vote those bills through. Good luck getting past President Obama’s veto pen though and you know you wouldn’t have 2/3rds majority to override that veto, don’t you?

Rhinehold, welcome back. We kinda, sorta missed you. You big lug. Hope all is well with you and yours. So are we doomed and destined for an elect and then impeach cyclical course forever and ever or will we ever regain our collective sanity and learn to live with results and work together?

Posted by: Speak4all at August 8, 2014 2:33 PM
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According to a recent CNN poll, 57% of Republicans support impeaching Obama.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/25/cnnorc-poll-majority-say-no-to-impeachment-and-lawsuit/

Why makes it a real possibility?

A group of about 20 of the most radical Republicans meet regularly with Senator Ted Cruz. These are the people who shut down the government. Their group is just large enough to control the GOP agenda in the House, because it takes 218 votes to pass legislation, and currently the GOP has @ 235 Congressmen; a bloc of 20 is enough to hold the power. This is why the House GOP has become increasingly radical and extremist. We saw Cruz and this group at work with the immigration debacle in the House.

Speaker Boehner could not pass legislation reform because this group refused to vote for it. As a result, Boehner capitulated and allowed Michele Bachmann and Steve King to write the legislation.

Remember Steve King? He is the Republican Congressman who said of DREAMERs, “for every one who’s a valedictorian, there’s another 100 out there that weigh 130 pounds and they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they’re hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert.”

Yep. He really said that. When given opportunities to retract or apologize, he doubled down. This is the guy who wrote the GOP immigration bill for the House. Basically the two pieces of legislation says ‘deport them all.’

(For a funny video, watch what happens when a DREAMER activist confronts King in Iowa. Rand Paul is sitting at the same table. Paul takes one bit of a sandwich, and the moment she identifies herself, Paul puts down the sandwich, grabs his beer, and flees! Priceless stuff).

Anyway, Steve King would vote to impeach Obama. So would Bachmann. So would the rest of the radical Congressmen led by Senator Cruz. These people regularly talk the crazy: Obama is a King, a tyrant, and a dictator; he violates the Constitution and fails to faithfully fulfill his oath of office.

These are the people who control the House GOP. These are the people who will not compromise with the Senate Democrats AND Republicans. These are the people who shut own the government, and remember, 57% of Republicans support impeaching Obama.

Don’t ever forget it.

Posted by: phx8 at August 8, 2014 2:51 PM
Comment #381757

A majority of Democrats wanted to impeach Bush but didn’t, phx8. A lot of Republicans want to impeach Obama but will not. Talks cheap phx8. As far as the ppaca speaks, granted there are some good points to it so we keep the good and get rid of the bad, OMK speaks.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 8, 2014 3:26 PM
Comment #381758

A majority of Democrats wanted to impeach Bush but didn’t, phx8. A lot of Republicans want to impeach Obama but will not. Talks cheap phx8. As far as the ppaca speaks, granted there are some good points to it so we keep the good and get rid of the bad, OK speaks.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 8, 2014 3:26 PM
Comment #381759

KAP,
Bush and Cheney and company are not out of the woods yet, and neither is Obama. Obama knows Bush and others violated the law re torture. In theory, Obama has a legal obligation to prosecute them. The heavily redacted CIA Report on torture is a bomb waiting to go off, and again, in theory, Obama could be impeached for failing to apprehend and prosecute Bush and others. The previous administration went way over the line.

I think most people would agree it would be a bad idea in practice to prosecute Bush for war crimes. The Democrats did not institute proceedings when they took control of the House, but again, it was a practical matter. An impeachment would have been bad for the country at a time when it was already in bad shape due to the War in Iraq and the economic collapse.

But it is the same old problem of moral hazard, and sometimes what is practical and what is moral come into conflict.

Posted by: phx8 at August 8, 2014 3:47 PM
Comment #381760

“Obama has a legal obligation to prosecute them.”

obama has many legal obligations that he simply ignores.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 8, 2014 4:11 PM
Comment #381761

Like I said Talk is cheap, phx8, impeachment is bad anytime. Bush violated the law, Obama violated the law. Both are corrupt.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 8, 2014 4:14 PM
Comment #381762

http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2

By a margin of 52% to 43%, Americans want Congress to consider impeaching President Bush if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge’s approval, according to a new poll commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org, a grassroots coalition that supports a Congressional investigation of President Bush’s decision to invade Iraq in 2003.

The poll was conducted by Zogby International, the highly-regarded non-partisan polling company. The poll interviewed 1,216 U.S. adults from January 9-12.

The poll found that 52% agreed with the statement:

“If President Bush wiretapped American citizens without the approval of a judge, do you agree or disagree that Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment.”

continuing:

Responses to the Zogby poll varied by political party affiliation: 66% of Democrats favored impeachment, as did 59% of Independents, and even 23% of Republicans. By ideology, impeachment was supported by Progressives (90%), Libertarians (71%), Liberals (65%), and Moderates (58%), but not by Conservatives (33%) or Very Conservatives (28%).

57% 66% of Republicans Democrats support(ed) impeaching Obama Bush.

Don’t ever forget it.

*shrug*

Faux indignation is bad.

BTW, 23% of Republicans supported impeaching Bush for violating wiretapping laws, how many Democrats currently support impeaching Obama for the same?

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 8, 2014 4:31 PM
Comment #381763

Very interesting article, btw:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/04/1318895/-Dear-President-Obama-Eat-My-Sanctimonious-Shorts

How long is the “immediate aftermath of 9/11” (of 2001)? Is it hours, weeks, months, years - how long? I only ask because it seems that now, almost 13 years later, you are still presiding over the administration of torture on people allegedly connected with 9/11/01.

When will you cease and desist “torturing folks?”

There’s a reason that Obama doesn’t want people to be sanctimonious… Because there is little (if any) real difference between this administration and the previous one. Those of you trying to sell that fairy tale are starting to be the real minority in this country.

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 8, 2014 4:36 PM
Comment #381764

The fact is that the majority want PPACA repealed for whatever reason. After repeal, then let’s vote for any replacements people want.

Isn’t that supposed to be what Democracy is? Or is it more about getting some hackneyed piece of legislation that doesn’t do what it promised (and actually makes things worse) wiggled through on technicalities, lies, and doublespeak, forcing people to live with it and denying the people’s demands for it to be revoked? Like a modern day Monarchy?

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 8, 2014 4:41 PM
Comment #381766

Rhinehold, the PPACA’s validity was sealed when President Obama was re-elected. In fact right after that all of the hair pulling, breath holding and foot stomping about the PPACA increased dramatically. This is being done by a small group,to no avail. The supreme court upheld the law and there hasn’t been a credible suggestion by anyone to replace it with something that would work better. You know if you spent less time criticizing President Obama and his signature contribution you might be able to focus on a candidate for President that could make the changes you desire. But then again as I said before, which clown to choose, which to choose. This can be a real dilemma but just wait, if the next Presidential election cycle brings another Democrat to the white house there will be no chance of repeal or damage done to the PPACA. President Obama is not running for office again but he might become a Supreme Court justice if we get another Democrat elected to the white house. Stay tuned.

Posted by: Speak4all at August 8, 2014 5:03 PM
Comment #381767

j2t2

The “Hill” counted by members of Congress. Democrats are talking about it much more. Wishful thinking?

Re supporting impeachment - that is different than advocating it. Would it be nice to be rid of Obama? Yes. Can it/should it me done with impeachment? no.

Speaks

All I wrote is that Democrats mention it much more and the statistics bear this out. I speculated as to why. You may have a different opinion. Why do you think Democrats talk about it so much more often?

Posted by: CJ at August 8, 2014 5:07 PM
Comment #381768

CJ, they don’t you are conflating the description of what they speak of to suit your needs. The Democrats are only trying to buttress the onslaught of suggestions coming from the elected Republican representatives to impeach President Obama in hopes of pointing to the futility of that exercise. Although the leaders of the Republicans do realize the futility they just can’t reign in the people who just can’t help themselves. If they don’t get this done he’ll be gone and they will need to live with that frustration for the rest of their lives.

Ever since Nixon the Republicans have held the belief of tit for tat. Even if they successfully impeach a President that was a Democrat it wouldn’t be enough for them (see Bill Clinton). What they really want is a resignation, just like Nixon. Not gonna happen.

Posted by: Speak4all at August 8, 2014 5:17 PM
Comment #381769

Speaks

There has been no onslaught from Republicans. That was the point of the count. AND we are not talking small differences. 20 times.

Republicans know that the House could vote to impeach, but that the Senate would never convict. Recall that it takes 67 votes. Democrats use this “threat” to raise money. It is the same way they place race. I suspect they know these are dishonest, but it makes the big bucks.

Posted by: CJ at August 8, 2014 5:35 PM
Comment #381770

Sarah Palin thinks so

Steve King thinks so

This yahoo thinks so

And all of these nuts too

I don’t have time to research this for you, you can do it but you don’t want to. Look it up, it’s easy.

Posted by: Speak4all at August 8, 2014 5:42 PM
Comment #381771

And all of these nuts too

Posted by: Speak4all at August 8, 2014 5:43 PM
Comment #381772
The “Hill” counted by members of Congress.

All the names mentioned in the conservative math equation above are or were members of Congress when they made their foolish comments in public. In fact they held meetings in the HoR as I noted above.

Democrats are talking about it much more.

That is your opinion now that it has blown up in the collective conservative face. However I hope you are right and I hope it remains an issue until election time.

The repubs have been talking about it longer C&J, much longer. It seems they also have been hearing about it from their fellow repub constitutes much more than you would lead us to believe.


Wishful thinking?

Like I posted the last time you brought this up, I triple dog dare you.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 8, 2014 5:45 PM
Comment #381774

Speaks

We are talking about people in congress who have the ability to to more than talk. Steven King is one man. He is among those four guys mentioned in the article up top. Democrats are bringing it up much more often. They want that issue. They know it is bogus, but they accurately assess that their audience is dumb enough to be stampeded.

Posted by: CJ at August 8, 2014 5:48 PM
Comment #381775
Rhinehold, the PPACA’s validity was sealed when President Obama was re-elected.

This makes little sense… Parts of it have already been deemed unconstitutional, the individual mandate would have been so as well had it not been a tax on every single citizen like it was determined to be. And it can be repealed at any time, before or after Obama leaves office, with the will of the people.

As for “there hasn’t been a credible suggestion by anyone to replace it with something that would work better” there have been but no one wants to listen to them. Because of the political investments made on either side of the current debate. And that’s why we have the society we have now…

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 8, 2014 5:49 PM
Comment #381776
They want that issue.

This is the reality. The Democrats want this distraction (because that is what it is) so we don’t talk about other issues that are more important AND real one.

There was much more talk about impeachment during the Bush years, but that was ok then, wasn’t it?

It’s a non-issue created to convince the constituents that they should ignore the horrendous crimes committed and policy decisions made by this president. Convince them that ‘those folks’ are out to get them, when no bills have been introduced, no real suggestions have been made and Republican leadership repeatedly saying that they won’t take such action. It’s still important for their election (and campaign financing) needs.

How does it feel to be used by your party like that? I think some people are starting to see through the bs and feel like crap about it, but not nearly enough, especially evidenced by this tripe.

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 8, 2014 5:55 PM
Comment #381777

I am certain the left is thrilled that obama is launching air strikes in Northren Iraq. I am quite sure he will suspend operations while on vacation in one of the most White communities in the US. Why doesn’t he vacation in Harlem or Watts?

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 8, 2014 6:30 PM
Comment #381778

Rhinehold,
There are two big differences between Democrats wanting to impeach Bush, and Republicans wanting to impeach Obama. First, Bush committed serious crimes re torture and violations of the 4th amendment, and no one disputes it. Obama has committed no such crimes that we know of. More on that in a moment. Second, the Democrats could have pushed for impeachment, but did not. The GOP has done it before in extremely questionable circumstances with Clinton, and they most certainly can do it again with Obama on whatever wacky made-up crap they want.

Bush allowed the NSA & CIA to run wild with surveillance programs. That was supposedly addressed and limited in 2004. Since then, Obama has continued such programs under those limitations. Since everything is classified, it is difficult to know for sure that adequate safeguards are in place. This is one of those times I agree with you. One of my Senators, Ron Wyden, is deeply involved in this, and he has done a terrific job of calling the administration to account. Is it enough? If there is a real scandal in the Obama administration, I have always thought this area would be it. There are a lot of good intentions, I’m sure, but we all know what road is paved with those. However, both Democrats and Republicans are in it so deep, there is no appetite to impeach Obama over this issue, or even address it. Conservatives are strangely quiet about this.

By the way, the House Intelligence Committee found nothing new in regard to Benghazi- no cover up, no spin, no stand down orders, no failure to deploy available military. They found nothing other than what everyone already knows: there was not enough security to protect the CIA operation at that consulate.

Posted by: phx8 at August 8, 2014 6:34 PM
Comment #381779

Firstly, the specter of impeachment originated among movement conservative activists. Secondly, the GOP leadership has proven time and time again that it is unable to stand up to movement conservative activists even when the country’s future is imperiled. Look at the crises that the Right has manufactured for conservatives’ consumption such as the difficulty Congress had passing increases to the debt ceiling or last year’s government shutdown theatrics. Although the GOP leadership has done nothing to formally explore the impeachment avenue, I think there is enough fear to justify Democrats’ anxiety over the issue.

Plus, admittedly, Democratic activists really don’t have a reason not to exploit the conservative impeachment meme. The Democratic base has convinced itself that the extreme antagonism witnessed by President Obama is a result of personal amicus against Obama himself and not the result of the actual laws and policies he has put through. The notion that Tea Party representatives would impeach Obama only serves to feed the meme further. It’d be almost criminal if Democrats didn’t milk this issue for every last donor’s cent.

My personal opinion is that the GOP wouldn’t dare impeach Obama (barring some truly scandalous revelation). They are well aware of the aftermath that happened the last time they impeached a Democratic incumbent. The six year itch wasn’t scratched in 1998, the only such time in recent history. 2014 is the last chance for Conservatives to have a shot at controlling Congress. In 2016 and beyond, demographics will ensure the completion of the US’s transformation to a center-left country for at least a generation. Conservatism won’t stand a chance in such an environment (although libertarianism is another story).

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 8, 2014 6:37 PM
Comment #381780

Warren…only a fool would make such predictions about the future.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 8, 2014 6:42 PM
Comment #381781

Warren

They are very unlikely to impeach him. That is the point. Most of the impeachment talk is Democratic.

Posted by: CJ at August 8, 2014 6:45 PM
Comment #381782

Are Democrats exploiting the situation? Yes! But I don’t see why this is a problem. Conservative activists were the ones who originated the impeachment talk; now the GOP has to lie in the bed that its conservative base has made.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 8, 2014 6:55 PM
Comment #381783

Firstly, Impeachment would be suicide for Republicans and they know it except for a few. Democrats are exploiting this because they know they are in danger of loosing in this election cycle and they are trying to create a smoke screen from the other problems that are taking place.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 8, 2014 7:08 PM
Comment #381784

Warren

I understand why Democrats are cynically using the impeachment talk. I am surprised anyone actually believes them. But I know that many people are pretty stupid. When Bush was still president, I recall people saying he would hold onto power. I just assumed these guys were joking, but I have found that some really were dumb enough to believe it. It makes me worry that such people vote in large numbers.

Re Obama overreach - the courts will take care of this. He is losing more than he is winning. And President Scott Walker can just reverse all those executive orders.

Posted by: CJ at August 8, 2014 8:35 PM
Comment #381791

Jack,

Does it truly matter that the Dems are taking advantage of the situation?

When the pundits from the right keep harping on the subjet, Elvis has already left the building.

“Alan Keyes has been calling for President Obama’s impeachment since as far back as 2011, even citing support from divine sources. In an interview in May with Randall Terry, the anti-choice activist behind Operation Rescue, Keyes offered hope to those who would like to “snap your fingers and Barack Obama would no longer be president.”

“We don’t need an Arab Spring, we need an American Fall, we need an American Autumn,” Keyes said. “In America, autumn means go to the polls and vote, and this time we need to go to the polls and vote to remove Barack Obama and Biden and all of their collaborators and cronies from office.”

He urged voters to back pro-impeachment candidates for office: “Put the right Congress in and guess what you get? A Congress that will impeach and remove Barack Obama as the Constitution allows for it at any stage in his tenure. Make that the focus, and I’m doing it.’”

Yeah, it’s dumb as earwax, but there you go.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at August 9, 2014 1:23 PM
Comment #381793

If you’re gonna talk the talk-
And everyone hears you talking the talk-
Then you’d better be prepared to walk the walk.
And not just get mad that everyone overheard you.

The leaders of the GOP have been talking the talk. Sarah Palin, Vice-Presidential candidate from 2008, called for impeachment. Leaders like Limbaugh, Hannity and others have constantly described Obama as a king, a dictator, a tyrant, lawless, and worse. Another leader, the Speaker of the House just filed a lawsuit against the president accusing him of violating his Constitutional oath, and the House Republicans voted for it. The base has been talking the talk too, with 57% favoring impeachment.

This is the same party that shut down the government! This is the same party that voted to repeal health care reform 51 times! This is the same party that threatened to collapse the economy over the debt ceiling unless their demands were met!

Now, everyone is supposed to pretend the GOP will go no farther?

By the way, I think there is an excellent chance Obama will serve on the Supreme Court.

Posted by: phx8 at August 9, 2014 4:58 PM
Comment #381794

By the way, I think there is an excellent chance Obama will serve on the Supreme Court.
Posted by: phx8 at August 9, 2014 4:58 PM

LOL…sure, why not? He never ran anything larger than his mouth and became president. He no longer holds an active law license but who cares. He knows enough about the Constitution to violate its provisions on executive actions with supposed immunity.

He could be joined on the High Court by Bill Clinton who lost his law license due to perjury.

OH, wait, isn’t being a Supreme Court justice actually a job one has to work at?

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 9, 2014 5:36 PM
Comment #381795
The Democrats want this distraction (because that is what it is) so we don’t talk about other issues that are more important AND real one.

Rhinehold, this distraction has been smoking for 4+ years, one conservative here another there talking impeachment, using it as a money maker and to keep their movement followers distracted. Then with the lawsuit in the HoR the talk radio conservatives added more fuel to the fire and more conservatives crawled out from under their rocks fanning the impeachment fire. Obama and a few other dems have fought the fire with fire. They called the conservatives out on this one and the conservatives crawled right back under their rocks and denied responsibility for their actions. It is that simple, the extremist on the right have the repubs cowering because the dems have stood up to the more outlandish of the extremist.

I understand why Democrats are cynically using the impeachment talk. I am surprised anyone actually believes them.

C&J Are you suggesting these conservatives who have been trying their best to get impeachment going this past 4 years are liars? Not to be believed, yet you want to shelter them from the voters by blaming the dems for pointing out yet more obstructionism from the conservatives we have elected to represent us in DC.

Lets put the responsibility where it belongs, on the shoulders of the extremist conservatives who have been exaggerating and posturing, feeding the kool aid to the movement followers. Just because Obama and the dems have highlighted the foolishness doesn’t mean they aren’t to be believed, after all they are telling the truth. After the past 4 years of foolishness from the Tea Party Caucus what is so hard to believe?

Seems to me you guys are like the little boy who cried wolf….wait did he blame the villagers when his sheep were eaten? That seems to me what you are attempting to do here.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 9, 2014 5:41 PM
Comment #381796

“There is another option, short of impeachment, for sanctioning the President’s unconstitutional conduct in office. The House of Representatives can and should in coming months prepare and debate a unicameral resolution identifying and condemning President Obama’s usurpations of legislative power and his repeated refusal to faithfully execute the laws.

The Congressional Research Service has identified a number of historical precedents in which the Senate or the House has adopted a resolution of censure or disapproval of a president or other executive or judicial officers. Indeed, in 1998, Democratic senator Dianne Feinstein and 37 co-sponsors introduced a joint resolution in the Senate that enumerated President Clinton’s various misdeeds, and “condemn[ed] his wrongful conduct in the strongest terms.” Likewise, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic members of the House proposed similar resolutions, declaring that President Clinton’s actions “fully deserve the censure and condemnation of the American people and the Congress.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/384449/dont-impeach-obama-censure-him-john-fund

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 9, 2014 5:58 PM
Comment #381797

Censure would be a meaningless waste of time.

At some point, whether it is a lawsuit or censure or impeachment, the House GOP will have to actually specify what Obama has done that is lawless and tyrannical and a violation of his oath of office. It should be a huge red flag to conservatives that the best Boehner could do with his lawsuit was complain about the change of a deadline date in Obamacare legislation. Boehner complained it was not being implemented fast enough! Talk about weak tea. Even if Boehner has legal standing, which is doubtful, there is legal precedent for the Executive Branch delaying deadlines in order to implement new laws and make them work better. Judges have been sympathetic to this in the past with other laws in other areas. The judiciary likes to see laws work.

And that was Boehner’s best shot?

Posted by: phx8 at August 9, 2014 7:16 PM
Comment #381800
He never ran anything larger than his mouth and became president

Neither did Lincoln, nor Washington, nor Jefferson or Nixon or Ford or the conservative God Reagan yet for some reason conservatives such as Royal seem to think being a CEO is a requirement to be in public office. Kinda like GWB when he told us running a dictatorship is so much easier than a country. It seems Royal would want a dictator from the public sector to run the country, how foolish is that?

Posted by: j2t2 at August 9, 2014 11:56 PM
Comment #381806

Lincoln: General Store partner, Law firm partner

Washington: General of the Continental Army, Plantation owner

Nixon: Law firm owner, naval officer

Jefferson: Plantation owner, Minister to France, Governor of Virginia, Secretary of State, Vice President and author

Ford: Lieutenant Commander in US Navy

Reagan: Screen actors guild president, Governor of California

Perhaps j2 doesn’t consider men holding any of these jobs as running anything but their mouths.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 10, 2014 2:47 PM
Comment #381815

Royal, Thanks for pointing out the various accomplishments of these presidents. It’s good to see you consider any of these activities as running something larger than one’s mouth. Lets see if your foolish comment regarding Obama has merit base upon what you have told us here.

Obama didn’t run a general store nor was he a partner in a law firm, because he chose not to as he was more interested in learning about politics. He was a practicing lawyer and as well as being of counsel to a law firm. Obama didn’t run a store but he was on the board of directors of several different philanthropic organizations, I’m sure Lincoln would have approved of.

Obama of course was no plantation owner nor could he have been a general in the continental army but he did lead the Illinois “Project Vote” which under his leadership registered 400,000 blacks to vote, Can George Washington say that?

Like Jefferson, Obama is also an author. Obama served at the state level as a Senator in Illinois perhaps not as flashy as Minister to France and such but certainly bigger than his mouth.

In addition to these accomplishments Obama was a professor at one of the top schools in the country. A Constitutional law professor, perhaps not as flashy as writing the constitution but certainly much better than president of the SAG and acting.

Obama has served as “director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago’s far South Side.[49][51][52] During his three years as the DCP’s director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants’ rights organization in Altgeld Gardens”, certainly much larger than his mouth.

Perhaps Royal it is time to stop swilling the kool aid and give Obama his due, after all which of these esteemed presidents, who BTW has carved out his own path to the presidency, has earned a Nobel peace prize?

Posted by: j2t2 at August 11, 2014 8:40 PM
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Nixon was a crappy human being who had a disgraceful record before he ever attained the presidency. Do we really even have to go there?

Ah, Ronald Reagan. Yes, he was involved with the actor’s union. He was a RAT. A stool pigeon. He turned in other actors & writers to the FBI for having political opinions he disagreed with, which resulted in their losing jobs and being blacklisted. Nice guy. Quite a record of achievement there.

That is not a conspiracy theory. That is what actually happened. Reality. That was Ronald Reagan. And there may be lower circles in hell, but betraying people by being a snitch is certainly way down there.

Posted by: phx8 at August 11, 2014 10:26 PM
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j2t2 wrote; “Royal, Thanks for pointing out the various accomplishments of these presidents. It’s good to see you consider any of these activities as running something larger than one’s mouth.”

You’re welcome. The Nobel Peace Prize comment was just precious. Luv your humor.

And then, we have phx8 who rails against Reagan for being truthful…calling him a snitch. Well phx8, any communist from that era would be mighty proud of you. Way to go!

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 12, 2014 8:00 PM
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You’re welcome.

So I take it by your lack of a response that you agree your “hasn’t ran anything larger than his mouth” comment was foolish and lacking merit.


The Nobel Peace Prize comment was just precious. Luv your humor.

It must be hard for you to realize that your analysis of Obama is so off base, Royal, as only 3 American presidents have had the honor of being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, Obama being one of them.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 13, 2014 8:41 PM
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We’re not dishonest, C&J. You are. Your people have been structuring their sentences with a noun, a verb, and an “impeach Obama” for some time now.

Of course, as you get closer to 2014, you realize that this sounds crazy, so you’re turning around and accusing us of being the ones who brought it up.

This ain’t Monty Python’s argument clinic. Your leaders, the dumb bastards, are on the record as obsessing over it.

The cynicism here is yours. You think you can parlay power over words into some magic escape hatch from responsibility. Truth is, though, you folks have been stirring up the conservative base against us and against Obama relentlessly for the past several years, and you have not given thought before now as to how much crazy you actually built up, or how much your own perception of reality has been poisoned by it. I mean, not even all of your own people would believe that line of BS.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 13, 2014 11:26 PM
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This is research based on the work of Honest Experts on the topic of Climate Change, and I found that it is not Innocent Carbon Dioxide that causes Climate Change, but it is Guilty Deforestation which causes Climate Change.

It should be Obvious after examining the Evidence that Global Reforestation to the Correct Degree is Vital if Mankind is to Survive, and we have the Technology and the Knowledge to Reforest the Planet to the Correct Degree that is needed, and reducing NATO Military Spending by a Fraction is sufficient to Reforest the Planet to the Correct Degree, so that Mankind can Survive.

If you are in possession of sufficient Intelligence and Thinking Abilities, then it Could be that the Democrats know that the Republicans could say that Americas are either for or against their own Genocide, and the Genocide of the rest of the Planet, as a Campaign Issue for the mid term Elections, and perhaps this is why some Democrats want Joseph Biden to be President before the midterm Election, because Premeditated Cold Blooded Genocide of one’s own Country is a difficult way to gain Votes, unless the Election is rigged again.

The First Thing that needs to be understood is that there are in Fact 2 Causes of Climate Change, and they are Non Human Causes for Climate Change at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age , and the Human Causes of Climate Change, of which Deforestation is the Most Significant Cause; yet, it is Rarely Mentioned as the Major Contributor at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation .

I think that Carbon Dioxide has been Maliciously Slandered for so long that even Wikipedia included Innocent Carbon Dioxide as a greenhouse gas, and Wikipedia says that there are 5 Greenhouse Gases, and they are water vapor, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone, and carbon dioxide at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas .

There is no way to stop Water Vapor because there are Oceans and we need Rain, and there is no way to stop Plants from Decomposing and creating Methane, and Many People do not want to be Vegans because Bacteria in the Soil and Farm Animals create Nitrous Oxide, and no one wants to have no Ozone Layer, and so this Only leaves Innocent Carbon Dioxide to Maliciously Slander in order to Build a Corrupt Business Model.

How do we know that some Islands are really not sinking into the Molten Globe, rather than that the Oceans are rising at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Earth .

I have heard Some Scientists say that Water Vapor Magnifies the Climate Change effects of Carbon Dioxide, but the Tropics are the Most Humid Places on Earth, and they do not Experience Climate Change, because they are Rain Forests and they are Forests, and they are not Deserts, even though those who Falsely Blame Innocent Carbon Dioxide would like to make the World a Desert to Make Themselves Rich at the Expense of Others.

We have heard how Carbon Dioxide is Maliciously Slandered with being Termed Pollution, but Carbon Dioxide is not Pollution, because it a Natural Substance like Salt or Water.

At the time of a Flood, People say that there is an Excess of Water, and they do not say that Water is pollution, but that it is Only an Excess of Water, even as the Ocean is not Water Pollution, but is just a lot of Water, and Carbon Dioxide is not a Pollutant, but a Vital Plant Nutrient at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/11/co2_greens_the_deserts/ .

I have no Proof that they are Human Nature Lying of this; however, we know the Track Records of those who have More Human Nature than the Average Person to put it Mildly and Diplomatically, and the Websites on this are at http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-20/scientists-warn-sea-anemones-are-vulnerable-to-bleaching/4900230 , and at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_bleaching .

There are Some Scientists (SS) who know what type of Chemicals could do this to the Coral Reef, and they can Genetically Modify Organisms 2 Varieties of like Algae, where one Variety of GMO Algae thrives in a cooling Planet, and another Variety of GMO Algae thrives in a heating Planet to bolster their False Claim that Carbon Dioxide is the cause of Climate Change, and they can Easily Lie about the Tropical Regions, and Scheme against the Tropics and Other Forest Regions because they have Vested Interests in Deforestation, and they are they the Experts in Every Type of Lie and Trickery.

As it has been Proved Over and Over again, that there are Many Factors that are Completely Beyond the Ability of Humans to Control at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age , and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2438434/MIT-scientist-ridicules-IPCC-climate-change-report-calls-findings-hilarious-incoherence.html , and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2436882/The-poster-boys-climate-change-thrive-icy-Arctic-Polar-bears-defy-concerns-extinction.html , and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html , and http://judithcurry.com/ , and http://climateaudit.org/ , and http://wattsupwiththat.com/ , and http://www.climatedepot.com/ .

It is a Feature of the Unprincipled and the Deceptive to Attribute Every Adverse Weather Event to be Result of Climate Change, but these things happened even when the World was almost Totally Forested, because there are Non Human Causes of Climate Change like Volcanoes, the Sun, and Solar Flares.

There should be an Honest Proper Scientific Debate in the Technologically Advanced Countries on the Environment, with Proper and Honest Terms of Reference for this Debate on how best to Reforest the Planet to the Correct Degree, because Carbon Dioxide is not a problem.

Carbon Dioxide is a Trace Molecule in the Atmosphere with 400 Parts per Million in the Atmosphere, or 0.04 % in the Atmosphere, and if there were no Carbon Dioxide, then all Plants would die, and the Planet would become a Desert, because Plants need Carbon Dioxide, and Humans Need Plants.

Carbon Taxes and Emissions Trading Schemes for Carbon Dioxide are Totally Unnecessary and Counterproductive, because Carbon Dioxide is Innocent, and it is not causing Climate Change, because Deforestation is Guilty and is causing Climate Change.

The Only Climate the Planet needs is the Climate which would result because of Global Reforestation of the Planet to the Correct Degree, because this is Vital for Humans.

Regardless of what the Effect this has on the Climate of the Planet, then this is what the Earth’s Climate MUST BE, because the Human Race cannot survive on a Planet that is Entirely Deserts, as the information in the next sentence makes it Obvious and Irrefutable.

We all know that Dry Desert Soil will not put Moisture in the Atmosphere to Produce Clouds that Provide Rain for agriculture at https://www.google.com.au/search?q=sahara+desert&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=HyVZUrToCJCtiQfn6oD4Aw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1120&bih=639&dpr=1 , compared with the Video Titled: Getting Drinking Water From Plants - Survival at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avZtD4gkM84 .
A Carbon Tax is used by certain People to Launder Dirty Money because they Invest in Government Subsidized Solar Panels and Alternative Energy, that Always need to be backed up with Fossil Fuel Power Stations.

I am of the Opinion that those who have Vested Interests, and who Control Many Western Governments and their Main Stream Media would even resort to destroying Coral Reefs and Sea Anemones to push this Myth that Carbon Dioxide is totally responsible for Climate Change, Compared to the Other Greenhouse Gases, or to the Real Cause of Climate Change, which is Deforestation, and Adapting to Climate Change is an Option at http://topher.com.au/50-to-1-video-project/ .

This is what some Western Politicians and their Friends who have Shares in these Government Subsidized Businesses, and so they Corruptly make Money with a Carbon Tax, and an Emissions Trading Scheme.

The Emissions Trading Scheme is a Method to Launder Dirty Money and to Evade Taxes by the Western Elite and their Bribed Politicians, and it is a way to Create Monopolies for Western Elites and they use Bribed and Corrupted and Lying Western Politicians and Lying Scientists and Lying Western Main Stream Media for this.

The Emissions Trading Scheme will have Carbon Credits sold on the Market, and small companies will not be able to Compete, and they will go Bankrupt, and the Workers will become Unemployed, and the Favored Monopolies will make All of the Money.

The Favored Monopolies will be able to use Government Subsidies to become even Bigger Monopolies.

If there was a 4 day working week, then Workers would drive their cars to work 20 % less than they do today, and there would be at least a 15 % Reduction in the Level of Carbon Dioxide, because Automobiles produce Most of the Innocent Carbon Dioxide, but some Western Elites, and their Bribed Politicians and Corrupt Main Stream Media want to have a Corrupt Business Model to Launder their Dirty Money and to Evade Paying their Taxes, and to Create Monopolies to Enrich Themselves.

If Mankind is to survive, then the Entire Planet will need to be Reforested to the Correct Degree, and the Science on this Scientific Fact is Settled, and All Scientists, Politicians, and Journalists Know these Things to be True, and Some People have Vested Interests in Lying on this Matter of Reforestation of the Planet.

It was Vital for Western Elites and their Puppet Accomplices to Blame Innocent Carbon Dioxide, rather than say that Deforestation is Responsible for only allowing a Few to Survive in a Deforestation Planet after WW 3, and allowing a Few with their Evil Schemes to Unethically Enrich Themselves in 4 ways.

The Big Bankers and the Plutocrats are the ones who are Deforesting the Earth to Plant certain Crops to Exploit the Third World Countries and to Enrich Themselves at the Expense of Third World and the Planet, and they do not care that even Bio Fuels creates Innocent Carbon Dioxide, and Bio Fuels Destroy Forests, but Fossil Fuels do not destroy Forests along with their Biodiversity at http://www.greenfudge.org/2013/10/14/drop-dirty-palm-rant-part-2/ .

The Big Bankers and other Plutocrats want to have a Global Carbon Dioxide Emissions Trading Scheme in order to push the Price of Carbon Dioxide Credits so high that smaller businesses will go Bankrupt, and Many Workers will lose their jobs, and other Workers will have to Work More Hours for Less Pay and Pay Higher Taxes, and the Big Bankers and the other Plutocrats can Create Monopolies to Enrich Themselves and their Partners in Crime who are their Western Puppet Politicians, their Bribed and Corrupted Puppet Western Mainstream Media, and their Bribed and Corrupted Lying Scientists.

The Big Bankers and other Plutocrats are Making Money from Fossil Fuels, and they also want to Make Money with New Industries that are called Alternative Energy, and they want the Taxpayers to Subsidize this, which Means putting Taxpayers’ Money into the Pockets of Big Bankers and other Plutocrats, who are the True Rulers and the True Winners of the Elections in Most Western ‘Democracies’ even though they did not appear on the Voting Paper.

The Big Bankers and other Plutocrats want to create more Genetically Modified Crops to adapt to the Climate they are Changing, and to the Deserts that they are Creating, and thereby put the Planet at Risk and at their Dictatorship.

The Big Bankers and other Plutocrats, do not want to Reforest the Planet, because they are making Big Money on Deforesting the Planet, and they want an Emissions Trading Scheme to Create their Monopolies, and they want the Taxpayers to Unnecessarily Subsidize their other Noncompetitive Alternative Energy Industries, and they want to Control the World’s Food Supply to Increase their Dictatorship over our Planet.

There are Undeniable and Irrefutable needs of Humans on this Planet, and one of the Unavoidable needs is for each Country to have enough Water, and this means is that each Country has to have enough Clouds to Produce enough Rain for Food and other Uses.

We know that the Sahara Desert was at one time a Tropical Rain Forest, but then it became Deforested centuries ago, and its Climate Changed from a Tropical Rain Forest Climate to a Desert Climate, and the Real Reason was not because of Innocent Carbon Dioxide, but because of Guilty Deforestation, and if the Sahara Desert region is Reforested to the Correct Degree, then its Climate will Change from a Desert Climate to a Tropical Rain Forest Climate, and it has nothing to with Carbon Dioxide from fossil fuels.

The Clouds that are Produced by the Oceans are not capable of providing Rain on the Land, except Mainly on the Coastal Regions, and the Equatorial Oceans Regions Produce more Rain Producing Clouds because of they are hotter areas, and so heating up the Planet would be Very Good for Reforestation, but there is no Desire from the Big Bankers and the other Plutocrats to Reforest our Planet.

Even the Equatorial Regions will have far too Little Rain if they do not have enough Trees and other Vegetation, and this is shown by near Equatorial Region like the Sahara Desert at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Earthmap1000x500compac.jpg .

This Proves that the First Priority is Produce Clouds to Produce Rain by Reforesting the Planet to the Correct Degree, and there are Many Ways to ensure that enough Fresh Water is available for Global Reforestation.

Seawater can be piped into the Desert were the Salt is Removed from the Seawater using the Heat of the Sun, and the Salt can be returned to the Ocean.

This Fresh Water can be used to Water the Correct Type and Variation of Trees and other Vegetation that will Provide Habitat for Biodiversity, and will Provide for Humans.

If Fresh Water is available from other Sources, then this can be used for the same purposes and Water Treatment and Water Technology Companies know the latest in Technology with regard to Water.

There should be Adequate Water in Shaded Areas for Birds, Animals, which is easily accessible for them.

The Deserts need to be Reclaimed and Reforested, and I think that if the Sahara Desert was Reforested, then it would Provide enough Rain for the African Continent, and this will Produce More Rivers that can be used to Produce Hydroelectricity.

Plenty of seeds of Trees and other Vegetation should be stored for when there is an Unexpected Flood in a Region, and the Valley Regions which will have Plenty of Water should be Reforested with Trees and other Vegetation, and these Regions should be Watered if Needed.

There could be Water in Large Reserves under Deserts, even as it was found in Libya, and that Fresh Water can be used to Reforest the Deserts, and certain Valleys in the Desert can be Flooded if there is enough Water, because this will put Moisture in the Atmosphere that is Needed to create Clouds.

After the Entire World has been Reforested to the Correct Degree, and in the Correct Combination, then there will be more than enough Rain for Every Country.

The Fact that Humans need Water, then this has to be the Primary Consideration, and whatever the Resultant Global Climate will be should not be a Matter of Thought, and we know from the Past that a Forested Planet will have the Best Climate, because Food on the Table is a Very Good Climate, and the Best Possible Climate for our Planet.

Reforestation is Vital for Earth’s Environment, and for Rain Security, which is Food Security, and it is Biodiversity Security.

It is Human Nature to Deny Things, even when no Crime was committed, and so we Know the Even Greater Tendency to Deny their Serious Crime of Deliberate Conspiracy against the Planet.

We know that Global Spying is at a Maximum, and that it uses the Latest Technology for Secretly Recording and Secretly Filming People at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden .

Certain People can find the Dirt on Politicians, Journalists, and Scientists, and Blackmail combined with Bribery is Very Effective, and this is why Proper Scientific Research on how best to Reforest the Planet to the Correct Degree needs to be Presented, because it has been Proven beyond Any Doubt that if Mankind is to survive, then the Entire Planet will need to be Reforested to the Correct Degree, and the Science on this is Settled, and All Scientists, Politicians, Plutocrats, and Journalists Know these Things to be True.

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