The Realm of Possibility: Impeaching President Obama

Speaker of the House Jon Boehner is expected to carry through with a threat to sue President Obama over his repeated use of executive actions to bypass Congress. Republicans have argued that the president has abused his executive authority frequently and that he is almost an imperious president. The president though has not signaled any intent to stop this behavior; rather he has suggested he will continue to use executive actions including on the immigration situation. Now so far, the House Rules Committee has voted in favor of allowing for a House vote on legislation to bring suit on the president. Will it pass; maybe, maybe not. On the other hand, if the suit passes and the president uses executive orders on the immigration issue, the chances for impeachment increase dramatically.


The lawsuit being pushed by Boehner is in relation to Obama's actions taken to delay parts of the Affordable Care Act among other things. Such delays legally had to be approved by the Congress and they weren't. Over the course of the Obama presidency till June 30th of this year, the president has issued 182 executive orders and Republicans contend that the president is ruling by executive order. Truth be told other presidents have far exceeded Obama in the number of executive orders issued. On the other hand, Obama has applied executive orders to issues of great importance, issues that truly should have had the consent of Congress.

The immigration situation is one issue that the president should not be using executive orders on. Immigration reform cannot and must not be allowed to emanate solely from the White House. Mind you this White House has seemed almost aloof and unconcerned by the situation on the border, a situation which just seems to be getting worse each day. The president must know that there will be strong support among House Republicans for impeachment he issues executive orders on anything close to resembling amnesty. Already a White House aide has stated concerning the possibility of an impeachment "I would not discount that possibility." Currently a third of Americans believe Obama should be impeached according to a recent CNN poll; with his declining approval ratings that number will only increase in the months ahead.

Republicans though must be cautious about how they proceed. In many instances it has almost appeared that they are wasting time in attacking the president on trivial issues. The immigration issue isn't trivial though and is of great importance. One must just accept the simple reality that the most powerful nation in the world can't even secure its own border and the sitting president so far has refused to even visit that same border. The danger to Republicans though is if the radicals and extremists hijack a move towards impeachment. Any moves towards impeaching the president must be solely based on the facts of the situation. Rationale Republicans should be concerned about the overly-partisan talking heads and conspiracy theorists and others who are solely concerned with ending the Obama presidency. If the talking points move away from the issue of executive orders, support for an impeachment among the more sensible electorate will disappear.

We must bear in mind that only two U.S. presidents have been impeached; Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, and both were acquitted at Senate trials. Impeachment is not and should not be used as some partisan tool to be used against a president that is highly disliked. If though the president were to abuse his powers involving immigration reform, at the least, impeachment should be weighed as a possible option beyond referring the issue to the SCOTUS. Given the low approval ratings of the president, the partisanship in the country, and the increasing anguish over the border and illegal immigration I do believe impeachment is something that can't be discounted as impossible. As I said before though, any move towards that must be honest and must be in the best interest of the country rather than the best interests of the GOP.

Posted by SPBrooker at July 29, 2014 6:09 PM
Comments
Comment #381590

SPB, honesty from a Republican about our current President? You would be better off looking for hen’s teeth.

OK, so John Boehner, Paul Ryan, Karl Rove and other Republican politicians and pundits are saying all of this impeachment dialogue is being ginned up and scammed by the white house and other democratic politicians and pundits. And yet we have you here and Sarah Failin’ there and numerous other politicians and pundits (to many to mention here but including you) who are very much considering impeachment. But no, no, this is a Democrat initiative to try to raise money and turn out the vote, yah sure. There are none so blind as those that refuse to see.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 30, 2014 11:42 AM
Comment #381596

An attempt now to impeach obama would be totally asinine. The November mid-term elections are looming large and the results appear promising for the right with the possibility of capturing the senate.

Any action that would negatively affect the mid-term’s for the right should be avoided like the plague. I see no benefit to the right in impeachment.

Even after the mid-terms, should the right hold the House and capture the Senate I don’t advocate impeachment. With only two years left to reign, this tyrannical president will have lost his teeth, pen, and telephone. Whatever he does during his last two years will dramatically affect the 2016 election.

Legislative action can curtail his reckless use of executive orders on issues of national importance. The right must allow obama and the left to continue to drop in the polls before the national election in 2016.

The harm done by, and ineffectiveness of the left, must not be overshadowed by impeachment foolishness that will accomplish nothing for the right.

Should Hillary become the dem nominee for prez, I want her to perish defending the corrupt and sleezy obama administration at the hands of a good rep nominee…provided we can find one which is not certain at this time.

However, just as Carter, Clinton and obama came from nowhere to win the nomination and the election, I hope and expect the right will have just such a person emerge to run against Hillary.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2014 2:05 PM
Comment #381599

I am more interested in knowing if using executive orders to ignore or rewrite laws, is now going to be standard operating procedure.

Posted by: kctim at July 30, 2014 2:13 PM
Comment #381606

Here is a list of the number of executive orders by president issued since the beginning of the last century:

Theodore Roosevelt 1,081
William Howard Taft 724
Woodrow Wilson 1,803
Warren G. Harding 522
Calvin Coolidge 1,203
Herbert Hoover 968
Franklin D. Roosevelt 3,522
Harry S. Truman 907
Dwight D. Eisenhower 484
John F. Kennedy 214
Lyndon B. Johnson 325
Richard Nixon 346
Gerald R. Ford 169
Jimmy Carter 320
Ronald Reagan 381
George H. W. Bush 166
William J. Clinton 364
George W. Bush 291
Barack Obama 183

Note the exceptionally low number of orders issued by Obama. On a per/year basis, he has actually issued fewer than any other president since the 1800’s. Not only is he less ‘imperial’ or ‘tyrannical’ than other presidents, he is less than ANY other president in living memory, despite facing a House that is MORE obstructionist and that has passed LESS legislation than any in modern history.

I just love the way facts have a liberal bias.

Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2014 4:46 PM
Comment #381607

Does anyone want a long list of Republicans in the House who want to impeach Obama?

According to a recent poll, 57% of Republicans favor impeaching Obama.

What did anyone expect? This is not a “scam” being ginned up by Democrats. All Democrats are doing is taking advantage of the GOP voting base. That base has been told again and again that Obama is a dictator, a tyrant, lawless, that he is running a “regime” and not faithfully executing the law. Of course the GOP wants to impeach him! Anyone listening to this kind of talk would naturally say the same thing. The extremists and talk show hosts that lead the party have been talking like this for years. What did anyone expect?

Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2014 5:06 PM
Comment #381608

phx8, indeed what did they expect? Their main problem now is trying to find a Presidential candidate for 2016. But because all they focus on is the things that they foment about our current President, the candidates they field focus on the same nonsense instead of what they can actually do for the country. I tell you it’s that diabolical Obama, he has controlled their minds with his liberal re-education training so that they are unable to put together any reasonable argument for a viable candidate. He is diabolically clever and definitely knows how to mind meld and get them to do things that they don’t really want to do. OK, snark detectors on!!

Posted by: Speak4all at July 30, 2014 5:13 PM
Comment #381609

“He is diabolically clever and definitely knows how to mind meld and get them to do things that they don’t really want to do”

Like vote for war?

Yep, know exactly what you mean.

Posted by: kctim at July 30, 2014 5:28 PM
Comment #381610

Royal Flush,
You are right, the GOP would be utterly foolish to impeach Obama. But these are the same people who threatened to collapse the economy with the debt ceiling crisis, and the same ones who shut down the government. Like I said, conservatives have been fed a steady diet of Obama hatred for years. Of course they want to impeach him. That kind of talk has consequences.

Let’s see what happens when Obama offers an executive action regarding immigration. The House has offered a limited package with much less funding that Obama or the Democrats proposed. The Senate could tie the immigration reform bill the Democratic and Republican Senators have already passed to this limited proposal by Republicans. What they? The House goes on vacation until September after Friday. If the House fails to act yet again, Obama will issue that order- something along the line of offering 11 million work permits and a path to citizenship- and it will get very exciting…

Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2014 5:36 PM
Comment #381611

“According to a recent poll, 57% of Republicans favor impeaching Obama.”

Big f*ucking deal as Biden would say. More than that percentage don’t want obamacare. So what! Your wet dream isn’t going to happen.

It appears that the lefties on WB have one desperate last slim hope to win elections in November.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2014 5:37 PM
Comment #381612

RF,
I will be curious to see if you are still singing the same tune if Obama issues a broad executive order regarding immigration. As president, he can only do so much- but still, he can certainly make the GOP howl.

Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2014 5:42 PM
Comment #381615

phx8, ” Like I said, conservatives have been fed a steady diet of Obama hatred for years.”

Really? You seem to be listening to those messages and assume we are. Not!

I have often written why I believe obama is a failure but I don’t want to let him off the hook with a stupid failure at impeachment. He and the party are desperate to try something to resurrect their failed policies. They have no popular legislation to spring on the public at the last moment so they are relying on the maverick obama to pull their weenies from the fire.

phx8 writes; “Let’s see what happens when Obama offers an executive action regarding immigration.”

Go for it dumb ass. I can’t believe obama and the party are that desperate but, perhaps they are. It will please a small segment of their base and piss off many millions of independents and moderate dems.

The ancient Chinese curse seems to appeal to phx8…”may you live in interesting times.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2014 5:49 PM
Comment #381617

Regarding the mid-term elections phx8. Should obama proceed with a stupid executive order on immigration, do you believe dems running for office in the house and senate should run on that?

I can just see the headlines now. Dem candidates cancel townhall meetings. Remember the last time that happened?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2014 6:04 PM
Comment #381618

Impeachment for what? Hoping that Obama issues an immigration executive order exceeding his Constitutional authority? Dream on!

This “border crisis” is the consequence of a legislative act that received unanimous Republican Congressional support and was signed into law by a Republican president.

Normally, the rational thing to do would be to acknowledge a bi-partisan error, amend the Act and provide funds to address the consequences of the error as requested by the President.

But, that is not the Republican strategy. Rather, it is to try to pin the problem on Obama, refuse to pass amending legislation and dare Obama to issue an executive order exceeding his Constitutional authority. Some strategy! Eventually, the American public will catch on to this charade.

Posted by: Rich at July 30, 2014 6:24 PM
Comment #381619

Rich, you need to get with phx8 as you have differing views of the reason for executive action on immigration. Liberal minds should come to some kind of agreement.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2014 6:28 PM
Comment #381620

While Bill Clinton survived an impeachment effort, he did not succeed in not having his law license cancelled and a paying significant fine.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2014 6:44 PM
Comment #381621

Democrats can only hope that Republicans attempt to impeach Obama. Why? Because then the hollowness of the GOP allegations can be fully presented to an attentive American public.

That consequence of an impeachment effort has not been lost on Speaker John Boehner who dismissed any such intention.

I say, bring it on. Lets actually debate these issues and force an examination of the evidence.

Posted by: Rich at July 30, 2014 8:30 PM
Comment #381622

If the Republicans are stupid enough to go for impeachment, they deserve to lose in November. Let the Democrats play their silly game and I hope it blows up in their faces.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2014 8:47 PM
Comment #381623

Today, Speaker Boehner and House Republicans voted to sue President Obama for his failure “to act in a manner consistent with that official’s duties under the Constitution and laws of the United States.”

Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2014 8:52 PM
Comment #381625

Hey the law suit against Obama and the impeachment charge went into a bar, the bartender said…..

This is all a joke right, tell me it is just a joke conservatives, tell me you haven’t let the hatred you feel write a check your ass can’t cash. Tell me the worthless bunch of conservatives you guys elected for the HoR are really not as moronic as this law suit and impeachment talk makes them seem. But please go for it, the lawsuit and the impeachment I dare you.

Tell you what, I double dog dare you conservatives to whine to those extremist JBS’ers in Congress demanding they impeachment Obama. Hold them accountable to do their job. Oh wait if they had done their job they wouldn’t be talking shit would they, they wouldn’t need a law suit because they would have worked with Obama to solve the problems they were elected to solve.

Better yet I triple dog dare you conservatives to push the lawsuit and the impeachment. If Obama has but a quarter the cajones I would hope he would have he will shove this impeachment right up your collective conservative asses.

Put up or shut up conservatives.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 30, 2014 11:57 PM
Comment #381626

If conservatives are going to talk the talk, then they need to walk the walk. If they are going to tell each other Obama is a tyrannical dictator who runs a lawless regime and violates the Constitution, then they know what to do. Go for it. As Rich says, “bring it on.”

Just wait until that executive order re immigration. I hope Obama does it. And j2t2 called it. The hatred conservatives feel for Obama has them writing checks they can’t cash. Time to stick it to them and make them pay. Let’s do this. According to a recent poll, 57% of Republicans already want to impeach Obama. Let’s put the leadership in the position of listening to their hateful base.

Unless, of course, the House GOP wants to do something totally unexpected, and get around to the business of governing. Given their past performance- and I can back that up with facts, numbers, statistics- this Republican House is not likely to get much done. They spent today putting a totally worthless lawsuit in action.

Think Obama is failing to uphold the law? Then you conservatives know what to do. Put up or shut up. Gonna talk the talk? Then walk the walk.

Posted by: phx8 at July 31, 2014 1:50 AM
Comment #381633

Hmmm…the chief executive acting as his own congress appears to violate the Constitution. Simply because the ACA is better known by its nom de plume, obamacare, does that give him the constitutional power to change it at will?

What say you?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2014 2:16 PM
Comment #381635

This morning I read and looked at a number of cartoons regarding obama circulating in Europe. My favorite “tag line” was…

“Beating swords into Food Stamps”

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2014 2:42 PM
Comment #381642

“… does that give him the constitutional power to change it at will?”

Answer: Yes. Without question. Positively. Absolutely. There is recognized standing legal precedent. Extending deadlines in order to implement law is recognized as reasonable and even desirable, if it will make the law work better. It has been done before and deemed legal by courts in other administrations with other initiatives.

Posted by: phx8 at July 31, 2014 4:36 PM
Comment #381647

phx8 is certain he is right about obama’s constitutional power position. Many legal experts disagree as do I. I won
‘t argue with him as I am not a legal scholar. I will read links to legal scholars on both sides.

I will remind phx8 that this issue is not MMGW. But, like MMGW, it certainly is not settled.

“And speaking of the Affordable Care Act, Obama has found yet another use for executive orders: changing and amending his own laws. For awhile it seemed like every week brought yet another unilateral presidential amendment to Obamacare. Don’t like the mandate on small companies? Fine, we’ll just postpone it. How about the requirements on big companies? Fine, we can ease those too. In all, the president has issued 22 modifications or delays of his signature legislation.

The president seems to think it’s something of a joke, telling visiting French president Francois Hollande recently, “that’s the good thing about being president, I can do anything I want.” But that giant tearing sound you hear is the separation of powers established by the Constitution.”

Read the entire article here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddavenport/2014/07/10/boehner-vs-obama-to-sue-or-not-to-sue-that-is-the-question/

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2014 5:01 PM
Comment #381648

RF,
Good link. I have read the same elsewhere. The lawsuit has virtually no chance of succeeding. The first step would be to establish standing, to show that the plaintiff has been harmed, and it would be extremely difficult for the House Republicans to show the entire legislative branch- both Democrats and Republicans- have been harmed by extending deadlines on Obamacare. It looks like nothing more than a transparent stunt to defer talk of impeachment.

Meanwhile, the House GOP caucus fell apart today. They could not pass their own limited immigration proposal due to infighting. Senator Cruz and Speaker Boehner are openly at war. The House has delayed its extended vacation by a day to meet in conference tomorrow morning, and try again.

Boehner tried to blame Obama, and in practically the next paragraph, begged Obama to take executive action. This is another low point for the 113th Congress.

Posted by: phx8 at July 31, 2014 5:28 PM
Comment #381650

“The lawsuit has virtually no chance of succeeding. “

Legal scholars I have read disagree…be careful about certainty. Were you convinced that Chief Justice Roberts would “not” vote the way he did?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2014 5:34 PM
Comment #381653

after the ACA was passed we were reminded time and time again.
It’s the law of the land. It’s the law of the land. It’s the law of the land.
This is in reference to changes that were advised to be done. Oh, well phx8, it’s the law of the land unless you have changed you mind as to whether you believe it is the law of the land.

The president cannot change the law unless the law is returned to the congress and the president signs into law the changes. I understand you are not a constitutional lawyer or professor. But it does not take a lawyer or professor to understand the constitution.

Posted by: tom humes at July 31, 2014 5:54 PM
Comment #381654

Many thanks Tom for that reminder.

Some law that changes as often as obama changes his underwear.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2014 5:57 PM
Comment #381656

The law has not changed. It will still be implemented. Only the deadlines for implementation have been altered. That is not considered “changing” a law.

I always thought Roberts made his SCOTUS decision about Obamacare based upon politics.

Posted by: phx8 at July 31, 2014 6:04 PM
Comment #381658

phx8, delay of implementation of the law is one of the numerous reasons some legal scholars give in writing that the House may be successful in its law suit.

How much time for implementation is enough? Four years? Five years? A decade?

Regarding Roberts…you seem to know his mind and reasons much better than I do.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2014 6:12 PM
Comment #381659

My thought is that Republicans are going to have a mutiny come January and put someone loopy enough for their standards in as Speaker who would allow a vote on impeachment proceedings. This kind of rhetoric is dangerous, and is this really what we’re going to be telling our kids 50 years from now? That every single Democratic President who’s held the office since 1993 faced an impeachment trial on trumped-up charges?

Posted by: TreyL at July 31, 2014 6:13 PM
Comment #381669

TreyL
Here is a simple explanation.
You have a vivid imagination.
This is a chuckle. HoHoHo HaHaHa.
That is so there is no confusion.
The democrats are having a problem with understanding that
there is going to be NO impeachment of Obama.
The logistics are just not there.
Please understand what impeachment entails. You and others on this location have no clue about how to carry out the impeachment proceedings. My personal preference is to see Obama run out of town on a rail with no grease. That also includes many others and in particular his girl friend from Iran. And of course the impeeder the Dishonorable Harry Reed who has held up over 350 bills in the democratic controlled Senate and making a disgrace demostration to the American public.

Posted by: tom humes at August 1, 2014 3:08 PM
Comment #381688

We have seen how the Director of the CIA is being called on to Explain how it is that he Lied about the CIA being involved in Criminal Activity, after it was revealed that his Officers improperly accessed a computer Network used by Congressional Staff.

In March, the CIA Director John Brennan denied his Agents hacked into the Computers to thwart the Investigation.

The CIA search has violated the Fourth Amendment of the American Constitution, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, and the Law which Prohibits the CIA from conducting Domestic Searches or Surveillance.

In March, the CIA Director John Brennan said regarding the Accusation that his Agents having hacked into the Computers to thwart the Investigation, that it was a Lie, and that the CIA would not do that, because it was just beyond the scope of reason.

However, those who can reason know that the Fact that the CIA is Involved in Criminal Activity, know that the CIA is involved in Criminal Activity, even as the American Government is Involved in Criminal Activity, and President Nixon of Watergate Fame knew that.

This is why there could be some People who think that this was admitted to, because the American Government wants to Deceive People to think that they can have confidence in the Malaysian Passenger Flight MH 17 Investigation if there is an Investigation into that Incident.

There are Many People who could have Confidence if there is an Investigation into the Passenger Plane crash in Eastern Ukraine if America were to hold an Honest Investigation into the 11 September 2001 incident.

We know that an Investigation has not even began, and yet the Wrong Verdict has been given by America, and their Puppets, because to America an Investigation is a Euphemism for Cover Up, and there will Only be Lies from American Supervised Investigations, and America will Control the Investigation even if they are not Officially involved, because the Investigators know what they Must Do if they want their Bribe, or if their Country can have Trade and Investment, or if they do not want any Reprisals, and America Really is the Evil Empire.

Knowledgeable People do not think that America would actually Confess to their Guilt, and those who know History know that America has a Long Track Record of Committing Crimes, and Successfully blaming someone else for that.

The Anti Democratic Junta in Kiev who have Control over Ukrainian air space, and they did Everything they could to ensure that that Passenger Plane deviated from its Usual Flight Path, and flew over a war zone.

We can see the Quality of the Investigations that America Conducts, and the type of Collusion by the Western Mainstream Media, and one example is the United 93 crash site in Shanksville Pennsylvania where the impossible is corruptly presented as what happened at http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/what-is-wrong-with-these-pictures.html .

Another example of the impossible that is corruptly presented as what happened is the Building 7 Collapse, which it is Obvious that it was a controlled demolition, and Osama bin Laden could not have set that up at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU .

We can see that if Americans and others could ever be able to trust the American Government on what really happened to the Passenger Plane MH 17 in Eastern Ukraine, then President Barack Obama needs to Confess that regardless of what Osama bin Laden has done, that Osama bin Laden is Innocent of the September 11 attacks of 2001 on America, because that was done by Influential American Citizens.

There are Many British People who think that there Must Be a Way to Prevent WW 3, and a nuclear holocaust, and this is why they want their Elected Representatives to Debate leaving the European Union, in order to Reintroduce the Death Penalty for certain Crimes.

This would allow for the Death Penalty for any British Parliamentarian or British Journalist who does not do their Utmost to prevent WW 3, and a nuclear holocaust.

The Writers of the American Constitution knew that the Citizens needed to have the Inalienable Right to have guns.

This is because the Writers of the American Constitution knew that the American People needed to Protect Themselves and other Fellow Citizens from Evil People who could Infiltrate the American Government, and that the American People needed to Protect Themselves from this.

There could be some People who might be thinking that there are People who think that such talk of suggestions of Impeaching the President is because of the Sanctions that Obama has placed on Russia.

They may be thinking that the reason that the name of Obama’s Limousine is called the beast is because they know something.

The Book of Revelation speaks of the beast who worships the Dragon, which is the Invisible Satan the Devil, and the question is asked regarding that beast, as to who is like the beast, and who can wage war against it.

This would mean that for that type of question to be asked, then the beast has to be the strongest military and economic power of that time, because it places sanctions on others who will not be its Puppet.

We know that Saint John was referring to a time to come for the Earth, and People are looking for the fulfilment of prophecy, and the following Scriptures tell us more concerning the second beast of Revelation Chapter 13, and it is that beast which puts economic sanctions on Countries that will not be its Puppet.

“Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns (two ruling entities) like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666” (Revelation 13:11-18).

We have heard of how a Literal Mark on the forehead or right hand is the mark of the beast, but that would alert the World to what the Invisible Devil and his Invisible Demons are doing, and Satan does not want People to be Prepared for the Second Coming of Christ.

We know the saying that People leave their mark on the World, and so we could see that Britain and America have the Invisible Yet Visible mark of the beast if you know what you are looking for, even if it is Invisible, Yet Visible while not being a literal mark on the human body, but All Humans leaves their mark, and some have the Mark of Humans and some have the Mark of beasts as we see in Gaza and with the Kiev Junta, which has the support of Britain and America, which is the beast with 2 horns, and Britain and America’s Puppets who are Puppets because they worship or serve the Anglo-American beast, then they are like their Anglo-American Puppermaster beast, and they also have the mark of the beast, and they do not have economic sanctions placed on them by Anglo-America.

There is a reference to the second beast of Revelation 13:11-18 making fire come down from heaven or the sky, and that people are killed because of economic sanctions placed on it by the 2 horned beast of Britain and America.

We have seen Britain and America acting Unnaturally for Humans, by using napalm, and making fire come down in front of People, and the Video is Titled: Vietnam Napalm Run at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IACglchX9n0 , and the Economic sanctions by Britain and America on Iraq that killed 500,000 Iraqi children, and the Video s Titled: Madeleine Albright Defends Mass-Murder of iraqi Children (500,000 Children dead) at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo .

There are some Websites that say that the Passenger Plane which crashed in Eastern Ukraine was the Malaysian Plane MH 370 that disappeared earlier this year, and which is said to have been landed at the American Military Base at Diego Garcia http://topinfopost.com/2014/07/26/mh-17-was-in-fact-flight-mh-370-lost-flight , and at http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/yes-mh-17-is-missing-mh-370.html .

There are Many People who Know that there were no planes used on the 11 September 2001 attacks, and this is the reason there was no plane at the United 93 Alleged crash site in Shanksville in Pennsylvania.

There is a Video that is made by People who their Utmost to Provide Only Honest News and Analysis, and the Video is Titled: The Global Unraveling Of Flight MH-17 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJhhuVnWXVk .

There are Many Videos that Prove this, and they are Titled: Flight 175 rare video- proof of 9 11 no plane hoax at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZQmow6X0ic , and Conclusive Evidence the 9/11 Planes were NOT REAL at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUoqwUVOxHE , and The Best 9-11 Documentary ++ Media Cover-Up ++ No Planes at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dslF-hh90lg .

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