Attorney General Holder: Racism, not Poor Job Performance Fuels Anger Against Obama

Attorney General Eric Holder, last Sunday on ABC’s “This Week”, claimed that race is playing a role in the negativity directed towards both he and President Obama. I for one am sick and tired of this public use of race as a primary reason for opposition to the president. Are there race issues in this country, yes, without a doubt. Is this is a majority racist country, absolutely not. Using race to explain opposition is an easy way to avoid admitting that flawed policies are to blame. All the while it seems that it is the left that is making race an issue as they repeatedly bring it up. When is this going to stop?


Now in all fairness, Holder didn't claim that he believes racism is the dominant issue. He claimed "..there's a certain racial component to this for some people...for some there's a racial animus." Now by saying "some" Holder somewhat saves himself for I do believe that to be true but the percent of the population who primarily oppose the president based on race is extremely small. One must admit racism exists in the U.S. but bear in mind racism exists everywhere to a degree. There are probably more people in this country who dislike the president because they falsely believe he isn't a true American citizen.

The truth is the majority of opposition to the president is due to his policies. Holder claims "..it seems to me that this president has been treated differently than others.." Well that isn't due to race, it's due to his lofty goals and policies which have not performed as advertised. It's due to his repeated lies and what often appears to be indifference to those who disagree with him. Combine all of that with our declining position in the world and yes, people are going to treat Obama differently than prior presidents.

As for opinions of Holder who is now the 4th longest serving U.S. Attorney General, there is plenty for people to disagree with him. Let us not forget Operation Fast and Furious and the investigation into it which led him to be held in contempt by Congress. Mind you, he is the only cabinet member in U.S. history to have achieved such a feat. Additionally, many have noted the selectivity of DoJ investigations while he has been attorney general. Most recently the Obama "presidential library" outhouse parade float which is really worthy of thousands of tax payer dollars to investigate. Never mind the IRS scandal which Holder believed didn't require a special prosecutor.

With so many problems in this country, the last thing needed is an administration with a persecution complex. An administration unwilling to admit its own failures but willing to incite more anger by labeling the opposition as racist. When Holder states "..people talk about taking their country back.." he is insinuating that white people want a white person as president. How utterly foolish, no, when people say that they mean they want their country in strong capable hands again. But who am I to argue. Obviously the reason Obama was recently ranked the worst president since WWII is due to racism and not his failing presidency.

Posted by SPBrooker at July 22, 2014 1:11 PM
Comments
Comment #381321

As a strong supporter of AG Eric Holder I commend him for calling “some” out on this. I have no problem with him drawing attention to this but I don’t have any guilt association regarding this so I can understand why some do have that problem. The other thing I like about AG Holder is, he isn’t afraid to put his honest opinion, for all to digest, out there. There are a lot of people who don’t consider themselves racist because they don’t know what racism is and just dismiss it as something they wouldn’t feel because they are so good and righteous that they couldn’t possibly be racist. The nonsense scandals you refer to are just that, nonsense. This will be evident not to long after President Obama serves out his term in office. It’s to bad that he only has a little over two years left and so much to do. With our continued support he will accomplish much but there will always be more to do.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 22, 2014 3:02 PM
Comment #381322

From day one, this administration has used ‘racism’ to justify their failures. The President’s own words failed to unite the people and instead divided them more? Racism. The President’s failure to earn the support of his policy? Racism.
And when that doesn’t work - blame Bush.

Pathetic.

Posted by: kctim at July 22, 2014 3:06 PM
Comment #381323

I agree the “RACISM CARD” is getting pathetic. When all else fails blame Bush or use Racism.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 22, 2014 4:14 PM
Comment #381324

I agree there is plenty to blame Bush for.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 22, 2014 4:26 PM
Comment #381325

As is there plenty to blame Obama for. Bush had his faults but when does Obama take ownership of the problems. He is in his second term and it’s time to quit blaming the other guy.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 22, 2014 6:00 PM
Comment #381326

The MMGW crowd has claimed that the debate is settled and science has entered its verdict. Wait just a minute…

Is Antarctica’s Sea Ice Expanding? Experts Clash Over New Study


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Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2014 6:07 PM
Comment #381327

Speak4all,
Tell me, how can you think Holder is being honest when he plays the race card? Wouldn’t you be more inclined to think he is trying to deflect criticism away from this administration’s lack of quality governing?

Why couldn’t he say the policies of this administration are not popular, but the administration stands behind them regardless? Why can’t he point out the positive aspects of specific policies instead of crying racism?

Can’t he think positive, instead of being negative? How is it being honest when he is slandering the majority of people because they disagree with these socialist policies?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 22, 2014 6:34 PM
Comment #381330

KAP,I don’t hear him blaming the other guy much. We probably have different news feeds. I however can blame the other guy and will continue to say so. I think President Bush had a difficult job to do that he did to the best of his abilities but that doesn’t mean he gets a pass. President Obama will certainly have blame to inherit but how about we let him finish out his Presidency and see what we find out. I didn’t blame President Bush until he left office and I don’t think it necessary to do the same to President Obama. In other news angry white men want to be angry, water is wet and the earth is somewhat spherical in shape. Get over it already.

WW, I can think Holder is being honest because he is. He can say lots of things but he chose to say what he did and I support his contention about “some”.

It’s hard to be positive with nonsense like this constantly being used

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Posted by: giyuyt at July 23, 2014 9:45 AM
Comment #381337

Why is it conservatives keep referring to “failed policies,” yet when pressed, they can never actually name one? In place of fact they substitute conspiracy theories. One WB commenter was so desperate to deny credit to Obama for anything, he insisted Osama bin Laden was not actually killed in the raid in Pakistan. When I pointed out the Obama administration has been one of the most honest administrations in modern times, the same commenter expressed disbelief, yet could not name a single indictment or conviction related to the so-called scandals.

Conservatives throw around terms like “socialism” as if it were a given and widely understood to be true. Yet nothing is further from the truth! Just look at the stock market, non-farm payroll numbers, interest rates, CPI, or any other economic statistic! These kind of facts are ignored or explained with more conspiracy theories.

When asked for specifics, conservatives fall back on vague generalities about Obama that cannot be quantified. He is accused of being a tyrant, or weak, or incompetent, or too professorial, or unwilling to compromise, or whatever.

When virtually every criticism of Obamacare made by conservatives has turned out to false, there has been no mea culpa, no expression of regret over being wrong again and again and again.

Can anyone explain this kind of behavior?

Posted by: phx8 at July 23, 2014 2:32 PM
Comment #381338

phx8, my best guess would be willful ignorance.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 23, 2014 2:47 PM
Comment #381339

Willful ignorance goes both ways speaks. You see the Obama admin. one way and conservatives see it another, so who’s to say who is ignorant.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 23, 2014 3:39 PM
Comment #381340

KAP, the one who sees it based on reason and fact and not hyperbole and rhetoric. I’m not sure we will be able to get a reasonable response from you regarding this but please try.
Fact 1: President Obama is trying to do his job to the best of his abilities.
Fact 2: President Obama has done everything he can to prove that he is a citizen of this country.
Fact 3: President Obama has many times said that he loves this country and is proud to be an American.

Conservatives on Fact 1: He’s a lazy good for nothing and is not only stupid but diabolically clever enough to turn this country into a socialist paradise.
Conservatives on Fact 2: He was born in Kenya and there is a grand conspiracy to fake his citizenship.
Conservatives on Fact 3: He wants to destroy this country.

I could go on but hopefully you get it?

Posted by: Speak4all at July 23, 2014 3:53 PM
Comment #381342

Obama should get two full terms to deal with the crap that it took Bush two full terms to scatter around.

Posted by: jane doe at July 23, 2014 4:03 PM
Comment #381343

Willful ignorance goes both ways, speaks, hopefully you get it.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 23, 2014 4:33 PM
Comment #381344

KAP, don’t repeat yourself it is not flattering and makes your response seem childish. As I suspected you are unable to provide any response to the facts I stated and the corresponding hyperbole and rhetoric from conservatives. I think you need to click on the link and read about willful ignorance. Don’t worry it won’t turn you into a liberal. You may just learn something about yourself. Maybe not.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 23, 2014 4:42 PM
Comment #381345

Speak: “Fact 1: President Obama is trying to do his job to the best of his abilities.”

I know, that’s the problem. He lacks the ability.

I have read numerous comments by prominent dems resurrecting their old standby which was used to explain Carter’s challenges in effective governing. “The US is just too complicated for one person to manage effectively.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 23, 2014 4:55 PM
Comment #381346

RF, you can hold that opinion but you certainly don’t seem to express it in any of the comments I have seen from you about our current President. All we can ask is that he do the job to the best of his abilities and yet all you want to do is say “he’s dumb”. Did you read the link on willful ignorance? Or are you another one of those conservatives that just won’t put up with any liberal nonsense whether it is based in fact or not.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 23, 2014 4:58 PM
Comment #381347

Why is it called “Social Security”? Why isn’t it called a Retirement Account? People will insist it’s their money and they deserve it, but when they die prematurely does their estate get “their” money? No, it doesn’t. Why not?

Why are there “Social Programs”? Why aren’t they called emergency loan programs? People refuse to get a job because it effects the amount of “free” money they receive every month.

What about housing, heating, food, daycare, medical, transportation, cellphone “assistance” programs? Why are these programs so readily available without any type of reparation?

The only reason people think this country is a capitalist country is because they allow themselves to be bullshitted into thinking it is. It is really a socialist country and the exponential growth of social programs being taken advantage of proves it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 23, 2014 5:07 PM
Comment #381348

Speak asks…”Did you read the link on willful ignorance?”

Why would I? Unlike you, I already knew the definition.

I don’t link ability with “dumb” or “smart”. If one can adequately perform the job it just doesn’t matter.

I suggest my liberal friend do a Google search on how many times obama is found saying…”I don’t know, I was not informed, or no one told me”. In my book, that is “willful ignorance”. The politically correct term is “plausible denyability”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 23, 2014 5:10 PM
Comment #381349

WW, water under the bridge. The world changed and you didn’t. Sorry if that upsets you. You can rectify that by trying to change it to your liking. Good luck with that. I won’t be supporting your efforts but that doesn’t mean you can’t try.

RF, oh that’s right I forgot. RF thinks of himself as the all powerful and knowing Wizard of Oz. He knows everything and understands nothing. It is in no way an indication of willful ignorance, you really should click on the link before you try to use it as a reference. We have successfully pulled back your curtain before RF, much to your chagrin. I am glad we have a President who is willing to admit to mistakes, and not having all of the answers. You would be well to take a lesson from him in that regard yourself. As I recall when President Bush was asked if he had any regrets he gave his famous shoulder shrug and shook his head no and mumbled something.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 23, 2014 5:19 PM
Comment #381350

Lousy spin Speak. Try again, you can do better.

With all the sound bites available of obama dodging an issue by saying; ”I don’t know, I was not informed, or no one told me”, I believe any logical person could conclude that he is willfully ignorant.

In fact, many would agree that he is simply incompetent in his job.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 23, 2014 5:28 PM
Comment #381351

Speaks,(1) Obama trying to do his job to the best of his ability, I just read about it in the morning paper or I found out about it on the evening news is doing his job, I guess your right.(2) I never claimed he wasn’t a citizen, stupid runs on both sides.(3) He loves this country, No comment but it is debatable.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 23, 2014 5:32 PM
Comment #381352

RF, you really don’t understand willful ignorance. Gosh but you are the epitome of that, somehow I am not surprised that you would be that way. Again with spin stuff, you always seem to fall back on that when you are presented with an argument that your synapses can’t keep up with.

As much as I enjoy the dialogues that we have, wait no I don’t they usually turn into some slam contest of who can come up with the better insult to the other, I have a much more pleasurable activity to attend to. My 97 year old Mother-in-law informed us that she wants to go out for nachos and a beer. So my wife and I are taking her to her favorite Mexican restaurant to imbibe. She is a great lady, and she voted for President Obama twice so we get along very well.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 23, 2014 5:37 PM
Comment #381353

KAP, thanks for your honesty. You may yet help me to understand some of the commenting on this website. I’ll tip one for you tonight. Just remember it’s not an easy thing to be elected President of these United States and the office itself demands some respect that some have a difficult time showing.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 23, 2014 5:40 PM
Comment #381354

Thanks for the laughs Speak. I describe why I believe obama is willfully ignorant and you rant at me. You don’t even recognize spin when it the primary tool in your mostly empty toolbox.

I detect a pattern of behavior Speak. When the going gets tough you leave.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 23, 2014 5:50 PM
Comment #381357

Finally Speak4all admits the U.S. is now a socialist nation.

Yes, Speak4all, I will keep trying to change it. I don’t expect you to help me and it makes me wonder what you get out of it. What socialist program are you reaping rewards from, Speak4all?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 23, 2014 6:51 PM
Comment #381358

She is a great lady, and she voted for President Obama twice so we get along very well.
Posted by: Speak4all at July 23, 2014 5:37 PM

This simple statement reveals a lot about the character of the writer. If one is correctly politically aligned Speak can get along. If not, then hurl insults and spin when cornered.

I once wrote that if Speak and I were neighbors he would find me a good friend. I doubt that now. He simply wouldn’t allow it to happen despite my goodwill.

As obama continues to drop in the polls and he continues to mishandle both domestic and foreign challenges, Speak will make even more excuses for this guy and soon will tell us that the job is too big for any single president to handle.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 23, 2014 7:07 PM
Comment #381363

The Democratics should start a club with the motto, “Party Before Country!”.

To late, they already did. It’s called The Democratic Party.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 24, 2014 12:38 AM
Comment #381365

RF, again with spin nonsense. You need to try to put together coherent sentences if you wish to participate in a dialogue, please. Your goodwill? I haven’t seen any evidence of that. My Republican neighbors and I get along very well, thank you. As I have told you before we simply do not discuss politics, you have an unhealthy obsession with trying to prove that your willful ignorance is something other than what it is. You are much to confrontational to be considered for that relationship but keep trying. No excuses for President Obama coming from me, just a distinct pleasure that he will serve out his final 2+ years of office accomplishing as much as possible given the caustic Congress that he has to deal with. I expect him to be up to the task, no matter what your opinion of him is. I do not need your permission to leave this conversation whenever I decide to, again no matter what you think.

WW, the United States of America uses it’s governing capability to attempt to make a better life for it’s citizens. Police and fire departments are a good example of the socialist idea of providing this better life along with social security and much more. By supporting this I feel the satisfaction of participating in the endeavor, I know you have difficulty understanding that since you dislike most of your fellow citizens, that is too bad. You can continue to be somewhat of the Don Quixote of this website riding around tilting at socialist windmills. I expect that you have renamed your computer Rocinante and your faithful companion Sancho Panza(RF) can be counted on to be by your side. I will observe this phenomena.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 24, 2014 10:10 AM
Comment #381384

It’s not the socialist policies I detest, Speak4all. Some of them are efficient.

No, it’s the smug, arrogant attitude presented by the supporters of those policies that insist there is nothing better than the existing condition.

If it’s so great in this country why are we deluged with crime and raising taxes and constant war abroad? Why are supporters of the Federal Reserve and a centralized federal government blind to the symptoms of said policies?

I know you won’t answer my questions.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 24, 2014 12:59 PM
Comment #381386

Phx8

The ACA is a failed policy for the half of Americans who do not support losing their freedom of choice, and it has failed to do what President Obama said it would do.
Electricity, food and gas prices have gone way up. More people living in poverty, more people using food stamps, more people needing government assistance. You guys constantly complain about the rise in “inequality.” Black unemployment in double digits. How about the number of unemployed who are no longer counted? His refusal to deal with the border crisis? Even his foreign policy hasn’t really been up to par.

Pretending they are not happening, ignoring them, or blaming others, does not take away from the fact that these failures are occurring on his watch.
He has chosen politics over compromise and he now lacks the support to address what’s best for the country.

The lack of a single indictment or conviction related to the so-called scandals are not proof of the transparent, honest government he promised. Refusing to answer questions, being held in contempt and having words come back and bite time and time again, have give people a reason to suspect.

“Conservatives throw around terms like “socialism” as if it were a given and widely understood to be true.”

Americans are not used to such government and control over our lives and rightly or wrongly, we associate such government control as “socialism.” The left knows this and it is silly for you to disregard that and pretend they mean something else.
Do you really think people give a crap about how the stock market is regulated when they are worried about government mandating what they purchase or be punished?

And before you start complaining about me being vague:
Some consider him a “tyrant” simply because he supports liberal policies that use government to force compliance. Some consider him a “tyrant” because he is hostile to the 2nd Amendment and those who exercise that right.
I consider him weak because he refuses to address the border and does not demand the respect that the US has earned on the world stage.
I do not believe him to be incompetent at all. He has a plan and knows exactly what he is doing. I just disagree with it.
He is willing to compromise only on things of little consequence. He knew half the country did not want health care reform to be in the form of another huge government mandate, but refused to budge, and even expedited the issue to prevent the people from stopping him. He knows the problem with gun violence is an inner-city problem, but he targets those who have no problem living with their 2nd Amendment rights.

“When virtually every criticism of Obamacare made by conservatives has turned out to false…”

No, they haven’t turned out to be false. It takes away freedom of choice, people lost their plans and doctors, people are paying higher premiums, wait times are increasing, tens of millions are still uninsured and abusing the ER. Taxes and premiums willo go up to pay for it in the future.
The fact that you are fine with all of this because millions more are projected to be “covered” in the future, doesn’t change anything.

“Can anyone explain this kind of behavior?”

Yes. You support liberal policy and believe the ends justify the means to get the liberal policy you desire. This desire causes you to be unconcerned with the facts and concerns other present to you, which causes you to indulge in hyperbole.

It’s odd. Under former President Bush, we could agree or meet in the middle. Under President Obama, you guys have moved to a completely different zip code.

Posted by: kctim at July 24, 2014 1:05 PM
Comment #381387

WW, no smug arrogance here although I do profess to supporting liberal and progressive policies, I also have stated many times that this country requires all voices to be heard and have encouraged you to do your best to make your case and elect and support policies and politicians you feel will best represent you. This country has always had problems and will continue to have problems. That we can diminish the effects of those problems is something I support as long as we don’t kill the patient with the procedure. I know that is not the answer you want but I have told you many times, I am not here to provide you with answers. I only comment on what I choose to, which seems to upset you to no end.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 24, 2014 2:10 PM
Comment #381389

Nero supposedly fiddled while Rome was burning and blamed the Christians. Nero is mostly a reviled tyrant.

Obama is distracted with fund-raising rallies while our border is unprotected and our foes grow more bold and blames the Conservatives. Obama will be historically insignificant as a leader who helped America or the world.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 24, 2014 3:13 PM
Comment #381390

RF, that is your opinion. Others hold other beliefs to be true. I for one support President Obama and believe he is doing the job that I elected him to do. Unlike some of our other Presidents he is able to do more than one activity at a time adeptly, I admire him for that ability. I believe he will be regarded as one of the finest examples of a good man doing a very difficult job. But that will take time to discern completely. Unlike yourself I am willing to wait for history to make that decision. You on the other hand seem to want to jump the gun and let everyone know how dissatisfied you are. That again is your prerogative but it may also be something you regret.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 24, 2014 3:24 PM
Comment #381391

kctim,
“The ACA is a failed policy for the half of Americans who do not support losing their freedom of choice, and it has failed to do what President Obama said it would do.”

False. About 85% of all Americans are covered by health care insurance through work. This has not changed, except that the coverage has improved dramatically. The remainder of Americans are still free to choose their own health care insurer, or refuse coverage. Twenty million Americans now have health care insurance as a result of Obamacare. For the small percentage who choose to free ride on the system and not be insured, they are subject to a small tax.

Visits to emergency rooms, the most expensive form of health care, have already dropped dramatically as a direct result of Obamacare. Health care costs have come under control for the first time in a decade. Obamacare is an unmitigated success.

“Electricity, food and gas prices have gone way up.”

Uh huh. The CPI remains at two percent, just where the Federal Reserve wants to see it. Meanwhile, interest rates remain low and gold remains in the $1200’s. If prices were going up, this would be reflected in inflation statistics, interest rates, and the price of gold and other commodities. Housing prices have recovered, but there is no bubble like we saw leading up to the start of the disaster in 2006.

“The lack of a single indictment or conviction related to the so-called scandals are not proof of the transparent, honest government he promised.”

Yes, it is. It is a verifiable, quantifiable measure. Meanwhile, Issa has issued over three hundred subpoenas, more than the previous three Oversight Committee Chairmen combines. In five years he has produced precisely nothing. Suspecting something and pushing conspiracy theories does not substitute for facts.

As for immigration…
Obama proposed $3.7 billion in emergency aid to help with the refugee crisis at the border. The Senate countered with $2.7 billion. The House suggested $1.7 billion (actually very close to Obama’s original proposal because it made all of the money available faster). However, the House then refused to act.

The House also refused to act on immigration reform. Obama, the Senate Republicans, and Democrats sent a compromise bill to the House months ago. The House Republicans once again refuse to act.

There is a clear cut problem here and a common theme: The House Republicans are so extremist and radicalized that they will do nothing to help the country because it might help Obama. The President and Democrats regularly offer to compromise, and for the most important pieces of legislation over the past few years, they have passed legislation by cooperating with the 1/3 of the GOP willing to act in the country’s interest. Republican political candidates routinely run for office PROMISING not to cooperate or compromise.

“Some consider him a “tyrant” because he is hostile to the 2nd Amendment and those who exercise that right.”

Not hostile. He is just like the vast majority of Americans, who are disgusted that mass shootings and gun violence occur almost daily.

Posted by: phx8 at July 24, 2014 3:54 PM
Comment #381392

Opinion? Hardly!

From Huff Post,

“…immigration crisis at the Mexican border.”

“…which has become both a humanitarian and political crisis for the Obama administration.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/24/obama-texas-national-guard_n_5614974.html

“Once upon a time in America, leaders spoke clearly and eloquently. President Harry Truman accepted responsibility when he declared “the buck stops here.” President John F. Kennedy inspired Americans to “ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.”

President Barack Obama smirks while explaining his foreign policy doctrine as “don’t do stupid sh*t.” Which, of course, he does, with strategic blunders and comments that support his agenda of failure that diminishes America’s stature worldwide.”

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obamas-foreign-policy-dont-do-stupid-sht/

“In an appearance on the Family Research Council’s “Washington Watch” yesterday, Sen. Jim Inhofe deliberated whether President Obama is a terrorist supporter or a buffoon, and decided that he president is intentionally “supporting the enemy.”

“Never in my political career in my memory did it ever occur to me that we would have a president of the United States who would be doing things supporting the enemy,” the Oklahoma Republican said. “Our system isn’t set up for Congress to deal with this kind of a situation.”

http://downtrend.com/admin/oklahoma-senator-has-proof-that-obama-is-supporting-the-enemy-classified-documents/

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 24, 2014 4:05 PM
Comment #381394

RF, again everything you posted is an opinion. Just because you choose to believe those opinions does not make them true. I happen to have a different opinion, one that is favorable to President Obama and supports his decisions as our President. I can’t deny your privilege to have that opinion, even if I could I would not. I respect your ability to voice your opinion but disagree. Even to the most casual observer to this blog you are an avid and rabid detractor of President Obama and everything he has tried to accomplish. None of us are surprised that you hold these beliefs but some of us just get tired of your foot stomping and ranting. Let’s just let President Obama finish up 2+ years of doing the job I helped elect him to do.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 24, 2014 4:14 PM
Comment #381395

LOL…thanks Speak. I wonder if you could provide your opinion which differs from the quotes from Huff Post or those by Sen. Jim Inhofe?

Is there not an “immigration crisis at the Mexican border.” If not, from where do you suppose the Huff Post came up with such a slanderous statement.

In your opinion Speak, where in the world are obama’s policies stopping the advance of the world’s numerous enemies of freedom?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 24, 2014 4:35 PM
Comment #381397

RF, by you using LOL makes me think I am communicating with my 15 year old grand daughter, this is a bad habit picked up by some on the internet (coincidentally it seems to be those that probably frequent internet message boards more than I ever would). There has always been an immigration crisis in this country. We are a country of immigrants, that some of our citizens despise the inclusion of other immigrants has always generated a crisis situation. Through the policies he has used to thwart those enemies of freedom. You can use the following link to determine what those might be, try reading this.

Or you could ask Osama Bin Laden or Mohamar Kadafi or any number of other enemies of freedom that he has been able to make sure aren’t a threat to our country.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 24, 2014 4:46 PM
Comment #381399

Hmmmm Speaks…and here I thought only Conservatives were locked in the past. You don’t like LOL…just an opinion of an old fuddy-duddy liberal I suspect.

Your link is amusing. I selected “Foreign Affairs” and got a quote from obama speaking to the UN General Assembly dated 9/23/09. obama is static and our enemies are on the march.

I wrote about our unprotected borders and immigration crisis. Speak spun it as just my “opinion”.

He then writes; “There has always been an immigration crisis in this country.”

Take a long break Speak and try to collect your senses and get your mind orderly. We all have left and right brain functionality, but you seem to be experiencing brain conflict. Your spinning is simply out of control.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 24, 2014 5:05 PM
Comment #381400

“that some of our citizens despise the inclusion of other immigrants has always generated a crisis situation”

Not true Speaks.
We actually addressed previous immigration problems by creating a process to welcome immigrants, and to protect them from those you say “despise” them.

MOST of our citizens do not agree that we should look the other way and further encourage illegal aliens to keep coming here.

Posted by: kctim at July 24, 2014 5:07 PM
Comment #381402

RF, more spinning nonsense. You really know how to beat that dead horse but if that’s all you got I guess that’s all you can use. LOL is something that began from teenage comments on message boards using them is indicative of an inability to correspond with any thought process involved. Personally I don’t like any of the internet acronyms that have come about (IMO, IMHO, LOL and many many more). Anyone who uses that nonsense should just STFU.

Recently I saw a slogan that was used in the late 19th century by a lot of employers:

Irish need not apply

There were and will be many more, to numerous to mention. You can look for them if you like, I don’t particularly care to contribute to their propagation. As I said there has always been an immigration crisis in this country. That is what you get when you have a nation that is built and populated by immigrants, some of whom don’t want additional immigrants coming here. That you fail to realize this is something you will have to deal with, I can’t help you out with that.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 24, 2014 5:27 PM
Comment #381404

Since Speak seems enamored with Hillary…here’s a comment she made about his beloved obama.

“During the interview with Harwood, Clinton acknowledged the number of foreign policy crises around the world but appeared to distance herself from decisions the Obama administration has made since she left in 2013.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/24/hillary-clinton-stands-by-russian-reset-in-face-of-recent-events/

I believe Speak resents my highlighting his puny efforts at spinning rather than addressing what is written. He does so again immediately above. I suggest that Speak consult with Daugherty on the “Art of the Spin”.

I really don’t mind as it changes nothing.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 24, 2014 5:34 PM
Comment #381405

kctim, and that is your opinion. I am all for more immigration. It has always provided a boon for our country and economy. I would like to see a more robust immigration policy but that is currently being blocked by the Republican controlled HR. I have seen your other comments in different threads about the PPACA. My but you have some really strong opinions about that also, not that I could agree with any of them. But I do enjoy trying to decipher some of the comments on this blog, to me it seems that there are some hidden feelings contained in those comments. Poor people getting free stuff seems to be the main driver but hey as I have said before this country was built on people expressing opinions.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 24, 2014 5:34 PM
Comment #381406

RF, please go spin up what ever you want, just don’t include me in your gyrations. I believe that Hillary Clinton as SOS was completely supportive of President Obama’s foreign policy. That she now has some degree of question about it is a healthy political discussion to have and positions her properly if she chooses to run for president. We Democrats aren’t like the Republican/Teapartyics, we don’t need to lock step and march in unison. We have always done better when allowed to express our individuality. Watch this and you may learn something. You are now becoming childish again and just want to trade insults. I won’t be participating in that.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 24, 2014 5:40 PM
Comment #381407

RF, I was reading the Molli Nickell piece from The Blace that you shared. Pardon my language, but all I can say is WTF:

This set the stage for Assad to export his Islamic terrorists (The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria)…

ISIS & Assad are currently fighting a civil war where over 100,000 people have died.

If you continue linking me to silly pieces like this, it will only diminish your credibility in my eyes.

I can understand partisan blurring of ambiguities. Usually when I read conservative opinion pieces (such as those Sowell essays that you are so fond of), I can figure how the argument comes together from its’ premises, but this is simply a bald-face lie. And you definitely seem like a smart enough gentleman to have the ability to spot this lie. I can only conclude that this is the result of carelessness. Please don’t do it again.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 24, 2014 5:42 PM
Comment #381408

Speak, it would be interesting and perhaps informative if you could stay on just one issue and address it rather than spinning in another direction.

I asked for examples of obama’s gains in world peace and lessening of world crisis. I quoted Hillary Clinton as he seems fond of her and finds her believable. She was not complimentary about obama’s handling of our foreign policy. Her highly nuanced remarks could scarcely conceal her contempt for obama.

Speak responds…Hillary expressed “some degree of question”. LOL. No Spin there Speak.

Back to immigration. I have finally convinced Speak that illegal immigration is a crisis and he now admits it. Good, you’re making progress.

I favor all legal immigration. Spin it Speak.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 24, 2014 6:02 PM
Comment #381411

I will leave my friends today with a hilarious video featuring our esteemed president and CIC.

First, the quote: “Mr. Obama told supporters that he doesn’t watch the news because, “Whatever they’re reporting about, usually I know.”

Now, watch the video.

Strong stuff Speak…please don’t watch as you will have to spin like a top if you care to deny. LOL

Read the rest of this Patriot Update article here: http://patriotupdate.com/2014/07/obama-says-doesnt-really-watch-news-already-knows-things-theyre-reporting/#TsHgDYtZfSLvCaoB.99

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 24, 2014 7:45 PM
Comment #381415

Its not only racism that fuels the extremist on the right with their hatred of Obama, it is also myths, misinformation, half truths and outright lies. Just look at the crap we see here from the right wing. PHX8 has it right vague accusations, conspiracies that exist only in the minds of conservatives, and the glorification of oast oresidents that turn out to be unwarranted..

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jul/24/deirdre-imus/deirdre-imus-more-illegal-immigrants-pouring-now-u/

Posted by: j2t2 at July 25, 2014 7:19 AM
Comment #381419

RF, attempting a dialogue with you is a lot like trying to explain what a double byte character set is to my 6 year old grandchild, the attention span he can devote to that is minimal as is the case with you. You keep your fingers in your ears and keep saying “la la la la I can’t hear you”. I think I have informed you enough that I need not answer to you about anything, especially when you act like a petulant child and insist on saying the same thing over and over about this spinning nonsense. Is this some new word you just recently learned and think you know what it means just like you think you know what willful ignorance means and are so wrong about. Don’t answer that I know it will just be more poppycock. Hopefully I’m done with you for today but I’m pretty sure you will want to continue trading insults. Excuse me of I don’t pay any attention to your petulance.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 25, 2014 9:43 AM
Comment #381420

Phx8

“False. About 85% of all Americans are covered by health care insurance through work. This has not changed, except that the coverage has improved dramatically.”

It is your personal opinion that the coverage is improved, not fact. Many people do not need or want some of the coverage they are now forced to purchase. That additional coverage also costs them money. Coverage that causes you to lose your doctor is not improved coverage.

Americans are not still free to choose their own health care plan. We are forced to either purchase a government plan, or be punished for not purchasing one. That punishment is not just a “small tax,” it is a progressive tax that increase to force compliance.
Basically, government has give us options on how it wants us to live our lives. That is not freedom of choice.

The way you guys use numbers to “support” your opinion is some funny shinola. It’s up to 20 million now, eh? LOL! Oh, that’s right, you are including Medicare.
Meh, go ahead and use it to pad the numbers for your support. The facts show that the uninsured numbers have changed little. That millions had insurance before the ACA. That millions lost their previous plan. That millions are paying more than they should. On and on.
That is not good policy, that is failed policy.

“If prices were going up, this would be reflected in inflation statistics, interest rates, and the price of gold and other commodities.”

It is a fact that prices are way up, your partisan blind “IF” can not change that.
Unlike you, us common folk determine prices by what we actually pay, not with charts. Meat is through the freaking roof and other groceries are also up. Fuel is now almost 4 bucks a gallon. And utility bills are constantly going up.
Seriously, who gives a crap about buying a home at 3% or buying gold, when you are trying to feed your family?

“Yes, it is. It is a verifiable, quantifiable measure.”

Fine, I take you all will then stop with blaming Bush and all the Bush conspiracy theories? You know, seeing how there has been no “indictment or conviction” and all?
Let me guess, that’s “different,” isn’t it?

“In five years he has produced precisely nothing.”

Look, I am not big on this type of stuff, that is why I don’t really comment on them. I always give the President the benefit of doubt on these kind of things. I don’t think President Obama left Americans to die, that he created a problem to attack the 2nd Amendment or that he personally sicked the IRS on his opponents. But I am willing to admit that the administration should be less hostile and more open with those who question.

“As for immigration…”

I know this is hard for you guys to accept, but the House is part of our government and it is the Presidents job to work with them. Just saying “Well, I tried,” is not good enough. Especially when the House is controlled by people who do not believe that the solution to every problem is to throw money at.
I have no doubt that the House would act if President Obama was serious about protecting our border.

“Republican political candidates routinely run for office PROMISING not to cooperate or compromise.”

Because their voters are tired of compromising away everything that they believe in. Why would a representative “cooperate” with the administration and compromise on giving amnesty to illegal aliens, when their constituents tell them to protect the borders and hold illegal aliens responsible for their actions?

“Not hostile. He is just like the vast majority of Americans, who are disgusted that mass shootings and gun violence occur almost daily.”

He is, and always has been, hostile to the 2nd Amendment. Simple research of his actual actions, not his words, proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. As does basic knowledge of liberal policy.

Gun violence occurs daily, but President Obama and anti 2nd Amendment people choose NOT target the actual problem. Instead they choose to target people who live in peace with their rights. Why is that Phx8? Why do you guys call innocent people who respect their 2nd Amendment rights “gun nuts,” but call the criminals who actually harm others, a victim of one thing or another?
If a person wanted to take away your rights and your property when you have done no wrong, wouldn’t you think that person is being a little tyrannical?

Posted by: kctim at July 25, 2014 10:11 AM
Comment #381421

Speaks

That is not my opinion, that is indisputable fact.
We had open immigration, we then created laws to monitor and control immigration in order to protect the country, and we also created laws to protect immigrants.
People protest to have illegal immigration dealt with. You do NOT find protesters at our government offices that deal with immigration.

I strongly support our freedom of choice and since the PPACA takes away choice, I have strong opinions against it. The reason you feel as if there are some “hidden feelings” behind my words, is because you cannot dispute the facts and need something to distract from them. Rhetoric that plays on emotion is a common tactic.

In hopes of actual discussion though, I will address the point you are trying to make.
I consider ALL Americans to be equals and to be treated as equals under the law. Because of this, I do not believe in legislating by emotion.
I know it destroys your talking points and stereotypes, but the simple fact is that “poor people getting free stuff” has absolutely NOTHING to do with my support of our rights and freedoms.

Tell me something Speaks. Seeing how you are trying to promote the whole ‘the left is morally superior’ meme and all, why do you all spend so much of your own money to tell everybody how much you “care,” instead of spending it on actually helping those you “say” you “care” about?

Posted by: kctim at July 25, 2014 10:51 AM
Comment #381426

kct, I’ll have to make this short. Trying to help my wife with organizing a trip to a water park for her and 9 grandchildren, which is way more important than any discussion on this blog. Schools keep starting earlier every year it seems.

Your first statement in the original comment “We actually addressed previous immigration problems by creating a process to welcome immigrants, and to protect them from those you say “despise” them.” This may have been the case when that legislation was enacted but it is woefully inept now and is unable to be addressed in a satisfactory manner by our intransigent Republican led HoR. That you consider this legislation sufficient is your “opinion” not a fact. I hold a different opinion on that.

And then, “MOST of our citizens do not agree that we should look the other way and further encourage illegal aliens to keep coming here.” Well you didn’t ask me in this informal poll that you conducted with every citizen of our country. Had you done that I would say that depends on very many mitigating factors to numerous to go into in this short comment, refugee status being just one point. Again this is your “opinion” I have a different one that would not be the same in any way.

Referencing “illegal aliens” is a misnomer. I am not being politically correct, just trying to make sure you understand that anyone that comes to this country is an immigrant. If they came here without the correct procedures and documents their cases will be reviewed and adjudicated with the distinct possibility of deportation. They however were never illegal and once the review process and subsequent adjudication is reached they could be referred to as criminals from a different country if they are found guilty. If a corporation is found to be polluting the atmosphere even though it is not legal you wouldn’t call them an illegal corporation, would you? They might be found guilty of that infraction and adjudicated but even still you wouldn’t refer to them as a criminal corporation but a corporation that was involved in criminal activity. Using “illegal alien” is something meant to make someone feel better about dealing with the immigrants that they don’t approve of or want. But they are still just immigrants to our country.

I have no idea what the last post is about other than I’m sure you felt better after it. I have never said I thought there were better and worse citizens and in fact have always, always tried to get you to understand that it is my strong contention that every voice needs to heard. Yours, mine and many, many more.

It is unfortunate that you cannot see the benefits of the PPACA. I have not realized any infringement on any of my freedoms due the the enactment of this legislation. That you do is again your “opinion”. I would have a different one.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 25, 2014 2:51 PM
Comment #381428

kct, one other thing. I really enjoy reading your late comments. You have improved your writing style and while I may disagree with you, your description of what you determine, is easier to be understood.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 25, 2014 2:57 PM
Comment #381432

kctim
“It is your personal opinion that the coverage is improved, not fact.”

That is fact, not opinion. People can no longer be refused for pre-existing conditions. That is a fact, and that is an improvement. People can no longer be dropped if they get sick. That is a fact, and that is an improvement. Preventative care for a number of areas is provided at no additional charge… and so on. In addition, the PPACA made many changes affecting the back-office part of health care and health care technology, spurring the formation of a new private sector industry. It brought health care into the 21st century, and if health care reform were ever repealed, much of it would have to be immediately re-instated.

Conservatives have been wrong about the economy ever since Obama took office. They have predicted inflation again and again. It never happened. Ignoring national statistics and claiming food, electricity, and whatever have gone up is a claim, not a statistic. It is typical of the conservative approach: heavy on conspiracy, light on fact.

“I have no doubt that the House would act if President Obama was serious about protecting our border.”

Baloney. The President AND the Senate- both Republicans and Democrats- have already acted. Boehner says it “too hard” to do immigration reform, but that is because the party is full of bigots and xenophobes. About 1/3 would vote with the Democrats to pass it. The other 2/3 are extremists and radicals, the same people who shut down the government and threatened to collapse the economy during the debt ceiling debate.

Posted by: phx8 at July 25, 2014 3:38 PM
Comment #381449

Earlier in the thread I mentioned immigration legislation that stalled in the House. Boehner now says he will bring it to a vote this week, but for only $1 billion in funding. It seems there is a crisis, just… you know… not that much of a crisis, at least not one that requires money, for heaven’s sake!

The White House is dropping hints it will come out with a major move on immigration soon, in the form of an executive order.

Heh. Does anyone else think the White House is intentionally baiting the GOP into impeachment? Boehner’s lawsuit is an obvious fail. Everyone knows it will go nowhere, but it is the Speaker’s way of avoiding impeachment. He does not want to lose his majority, and impeachment proceedings would be an absolute disaster at the ballot box in November.

Democrats need to do something because if the extraordinarily low voter turnout in the primaries is any indication, the turnout in November will be exceptionally low. That would benefit the GOP. As things currently stand, the Democrats would actually be the House majority based on the popular vote; however, because of gerrymandering, it would take an estimated 55% of the vote for Democrats to take control. What better way to goose voter turnout than a ridiculous impeachment vote?

At first blush, it seems hard to believe conservatives would be that stupid. Then again, conservatives were foolish enough to shut down the government, and it resulted in remarkable single digit approval ratings for Republicans, the lowest numbers ever. They won’t be that stupid again. (?). Or will they? The GOP base is incredibly gullible. Really, they will believe almost anything when it involves hating Obama. Several House members have already brought it up. No one knows what they will impeach Obama for, but that won’t stop the crazies.

I think Obama is going to push them, and immigration would be the perfect hot button. After the 2012 loss, the RNC identified immigration reform as the most important thing the party could realistically do in order to compete. Rubio led the effort and it failed. Now FOX and the right wing echo chamber have worked the crazies into a moon-howling frenzy over immigration. An executive order re immigration could push the base crazies over the edge.

Egging them into an impeachment would accomplish two goals for Obama and the Democrats: 1) It would push up voter turnout, saving the Senate for the Democrats, and maybe even hitting that magical 55% and turning the House, and 2) it would nail the GOP coffin shut in terms of demographics. Republicans frothing at the mouth over immigration will drive Latinos into the arms of the Democrats, and make it virtually impossible the GOP to compete in future national elections.

Posted by: phx8 at July 26, 2014 3:54 PM
Comment #381451

Good thing we hold the purse strings phx8. I hope obama continues to flaunt his tyrannical Constitutional over-reach by acting as both executive and a one-man congress.

He is getting push-back even by the party’s traditional base. obama is losing the middle and lower class as he no longer seems to be interested in their plight. Moderates are abandoning him in droves. Hell, even some Hollywood elites have slithered from their closets to condemn this guys lack of priority with domestic issues and naive foreign policy blunders.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 26, 2014 4:43 PM
Comment #381452

“Please proceed, Governor.”

Sure, Royal Flush. You bet. He is “tyrannical.”

“Obama is losing the middle and lower class…”

Oh, do tell.

“Moderates are abandoning him.”

Uh huh.

Well! You should contact your Representative, Louis Gohmert, and demand impeachment! Yes, demand! Nothing less will do! Ah, yes, Louis Gohmert. Dumbest Man in Congress. He would be the perfect person to conduct the impeachment, seeing as how he used to be a judge.

Let’s have a contest. I will post Louis Gohmert quotes. You must respond ‘that is pretty dumb, but he is not the dumbest man in Congress.’ Then I will post another quote. Let’s see who gives up first! And careful, Royal Flush. “Do not cast aspersions on my asparagus!”

I will get it started with a relatively tame example of stupidity from Gohmert:

“We should impeach Obama for taking too long to catch the Benghazi killer. It didn’t take Bush this long to catch Bin Laden.”

Posted by: phx8 at July 26, 2014 7:35 PM
Comment #381453

I can’t wait. Another quote:

“So when [caribou] want to go on a date, they invite each other to head over to the pipeline. … So my real concern now [is] if oil stops running through the pipeline … do we need a study to see how adversely the caribou would be affected if that warm oil ever quit flowing?”

Posted by: phx8 at July 26, 2014 7:44 PM
Comment #381454

And in case anyone doubts conservatives are not dumb enough to impeach Obama, another Louis Gohmert quote:

“This administration has so many Muslim Brotherhood members that have influence that they just are making wrong decisions for America.”

This dude brings the stupid when it comes to anything to do with Muslims. But wait! There’s more!

Posted by: phx8 at July 26, 2014 7:47 PM
Comment #381455

Gohmert believes there are ‘terror babies,’ where pregnant women will come to American, obtain, citizenship, and raise their children to be terrorists:

“[The children] could be raised and coddled as future terrorists [and] twenty, thirty years down the road, they can be sent in to help destroy our way of life.”

Ok, here is the clincher:

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2013/05/gohmert_muslim_brotherhood_ter.php?page=2

It is long, but even a few minutes will leave any American gaping in disbelief.

Yes, this is, without question, the dumbest Congressman in America.

Impeach Obama! C’mon. You know you want to.

Posted by: phx8 at July 26, 2014 7:56 PM
Comment #381456

Thing is, quotes just don’t do justice to the stupidity of Louis Gohmert, pride of the First District of Texas. Really, you gotta see videos, and see stupidity in action, to appreciate just how dumb this guy is.

When people screw up and say something dumb, most people will retract it, or apologize, or claim it was taken out of context. But not Louis!

Sigh. I haven’t even gotten to the Birther stuff yet, or Global Warming Denialism. When it comes to dumb, Gohmert brings a box of rocks to the table along with a full bag of hammers.

Watch the video, then imagine this numbskull leading impeachment hearings. Oh please, conservatives. Make it so!

Posted by: phx8 at July 26, 2014 8:58 PM
Comment #381458

If the those who died on the Passenger Plane in Eastern Ukraine could speak, they would say that they do not want their Family and Friends and Others to die in WW 3, and that the World needs to avoid nuclear holocaust.

If they knew that the American Federal Politicians are Hardened Liars, and that they have made Puppets of the European Union, and of the Euphemistically named Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe, then they would say that this moment in History is when the British Prime Minister must offer himself to be Publicly Executed in order to avoid a nuclear holocaust.

The same is even truer of the American President, but we know from History that that the British are Slightly more Honourable, and the British Prime Minister is easier to persuade than the American President would whose Entire Ambition in life is to Destroy the Entire Planet at http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/elite-preparing-for-worst-with-luxury.html#!bnENiU .

Obama is the Final Part of the Jigsaw Puzzle that the American System who have All wanted nuclear holocaust on the Earth, because it will give them something to talk about in the Shelters.

I want it to be understood that I am not suggesting that People should kill the British Prime Minister, but People are Free to ask him to pass a Law to have him Executed, because his is Guilty of Crimes against Humanity of Libya and other places, but that the Real Reason is to prevent a nuclear holocaust that its Former wayward former Colony of America is Determined to bring to our Planet.

It is better for one man to die, than for the Entire Planet to be Destroyed, and we hope that the British Prime Minster can be persuaded of this Fact.

Posted by: Journalist at July 27, 2014 4:57 AM
Comment #381459
Thing is, quotes just don’t do justice to the stupidity of Louis Gohmert, pride of the First District of Texas.

But the quotes do serve as a good start when it comes to understanding the caliber of our elected representative PHX8. The problem is Gohmert isn’t just a voice in the wilderness he is part of the chorus of elected representatives coming from Texas. Take Barton or Sessions as well as Gohmert as an example of the cruel joke redistricting and conservatism has played upon the people of Texas.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 27, 2014 8:21 AM
Comment #381460

Yes, j2t2, it is a sad thing that so many elected representatives can be so lame. We saw this in the 2012 presidential primaries too. It was a veritable clown car of goofy candidates, each more ridiculous than the last.

Barton is owned by Big Oil. I do not think he is stupid, so much as corrupted by money. He was the guy who actually apologized to BP after the Gulf Oil spill. I saw that on television live, and I was flabbergasted. The guy sat down and put together a written statement of apology! It was not some sort of off-the-cuff remark. That would be bad enough. But no, Barton had to write it down the night before!

Sessions is a garden variety racist. There are plenty of those in that part of the country.

Posted by: phx8 at July 27, 2014 11:05 AM
Comment #381469

Speaks, phx8, j2t2
What country do you guys actually live in? It sounds like somewhere in the middle east. Somewhere where sharia law is in its full capacity and active beyond any peacful manner. The hate and vitrol that is lied about and espoused by you, the gang of 3 is just beyond measure.

None of you make sense. The opinions that you are so able to accuse others of making are the same opinions you are guilty of yourself. Opinions are ok in my book. They are just feelings you possess yourself, and that is all. But to say another oponion is different from your own opinion and therefore it is not tollerable, is elitist.

You all speak as though you are above the intelligen level of many on this site. The main problem is that you aren’t.

For shame.

Posted by: tom humes at July 27, 2014 5:35 PM
Comment #381470

phx8 likes political videos. I like Dennis Miller’s humor…especially near the end of the video when he describes former Speaker of the House Pelosi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucweexNqbgg

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 27, 2014 6:21 PM
Comment #381471

tom humes,
I can totally understand why you would think what I am saying makes no sense. For conservatives inside the right wing echo chamber, anything outside the bubble must seem like nonsense.

The problem comes from the right wing media: FOX, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and others. They keep telling their listeners to ignore all sources of information outside the right wing because all other sources of information carry a liberal bias. They then proceed to tell the audience- the right wing base- that everything is terrible. Obama is a tyrant. Foreign policy is terrible. The domestic economy is in shambles. Obama is not faithfully executing the law of the land, and so on. After having their heads filled with this kind of information, is it any wonder the base demands its political leaders impeach Obama?

So why is it a problem? Very simple. None of this is true.

If you have any specific questions about my previous posts, I would be glad to support it with links to non-partisan sites… That is, if anything outside FOX & Breitbart & Drudge can be considered non-partisan. But that’s the whole nature of the problem! It is like a snake eating its own tail.

I totally get why you and other conservatives would be confused. Within the bubble, everything makes sense. But then, every so often, the bubble comes into contact with the hard sharp rock that is reality, and it is very hurty!

There is no real reply to statements like these: interest rates are low, the stock market is setting all time highs, inflation is low, the US economy has never been more dominant, the unemployment rate fell at a record setting rate over the past 18 months, the economy added 288,000 jobs last month and the unemployment rate fell to 6.1%; housing prices have recovered almost all of their losses since 2006, far fewer people are underwater on their mortgages, and virtually everyone has seen big increases in their IRA’s and 401k’s.

These are facts. They are unassailable.

We avoided a Great Depression. Obama and the Democrats deserve credit.

Bin Laden is dead. Khaddafi is dead. The leader of the militia that attacked the Benghazi Consulate has been captured.

We are seeing one of the most honest administrations in American history, as measured by indictments, trials, and convictions.

You know, the list goes on and on. Obama has done a great job.

But none of this makes sense to people trapped in the right wing echo chamber. Is it any wonder the base demands its politicians impeach Obama?

I think it is funny that the Obama administration is egging on the crazies to go for an impeachment. It will be a political catastrophe for the right wing, and they richly deserve it.

Posted by: phx8 at July 27, 2014 6:24 PM
Comment #381474

phx8, G. W. Bush did a great job. I can say that but it doesn’t make it true and I know it ain’t true. OBL is dead but without Bush and Clinton he’d still be around. Khaddafi’s people killed him Obama had nothing to do with it. The attacker for the Benghazi Consulate, nothing has been proven yet, it’s even been said he’s actually a nobody. Avoided a depression????? The only thing I give Democrats and Obama credit for is the Trillions more of debt we have., and your side bitched when Bush doubled the debt in 8 years, hell Obama topped Bush in 4 years.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 27, 2014 6:59 PM
Comment #381476

phx8
You are absolutely wrong again, as you so often are.

“The problem comes from the right wing media: FOX, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and others. They keep telling their listeners to ignore all sources of information outside the right wing because all other sources of information carry a liberal bias.”

I think for myself. I find things on my own. I even watch MSNBC and CNN. I do not watch Beck, Limbaugh or Hannity. I do watch Fox about as often as I do the MSNBC and CNN. So get out your crystal ball and pray tell me what your next prognostication may be and I can tell you from your past record it will be in all probability wrong.

You on the left think that anybody outside their realm of thinking is not on the right track. See I at one time committed the same mistake when I was younger. I now am of a bit wiser and my thinking process is of a different mold. It allows people with a differing mind set to be correct if that is what they think they should be. There are some people that will never gain the kind of wisdom that can allow them the freedom to achieve heights they never thought possible.

For Shame

Posted by: tom humes at July 27, 2014 7:26 PM
Comment #381488
OBL is dead but without Bush and Clinton he’d still be around. Khaddafi’s people killed him Obama had nothing to do with it.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry KAP, please provide the source of this gem for us. It seems to me you conservatives will believe just about anything if it makes Obama appear to be wrong.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 27, 2014 11:16 PM
Comment #381490

j2t2, With the intel gathered by the Clinton and the Bush admins. Obama was able to take credit for what those previous admins. did. If you think Obama his self was able to track down and get OBL I’ll sell you some ocean front property in Chicago. Obama don’t need us conservatives to make him appear wrong he is doing a good enough job of that himself. Even some liberals smart enough are distancing themselves from Obama.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 27, 2014 11:58 PM
Comment #381498

Phx8

You have no clue as to what coverage other people need or even want, that is why it is only your opinion that they have improved coverage under the ACA.
While it is true that some could not get coverage because of pre-existing conditions, the fact is that most people were not refused coverage. The same is true of those who got sick and were “dropped.” That is fact, and the way you are taking the extreme and applying it to the whole to support your opinion, does not change it.

Bringing the “back office” and “technology” up to date could have been done without the mandate.

It is no conspiracy to say that our cost of living has increased, I am not repeating what some Conservative has said, nor have I been someone who has done so in the past. All I am saying is that prices are indeed increasing and that people care more about that, than they do about how Wall Street is regulated. That is fact.

“The other 2/3 are extremists and radicals, the same people who shut down the government and threatened to collapse the economy during the debt ceiling debate.”

Obviously, you also are not serious about protecting our borders. People are not “extremists and radicals” simply for disagreeing with your opinion and having an opinion of their own.
The problem is with protecting our border, not how we should take care of illegal aliens once they are here, and President Obama has not properly addressed that.

Posted by: kctim at July 28, 2014 9:12 AM
Comment #381499

Speaks

I addressed your statement that “immigrants always generate a crisis situation.” They no longer do, so that statement is false. THAT is what we were discussing, not its effectiveness.

I do not like to cite polls, but seeing how the left loves to use polls when they support their position, I figure I can use them when they don’t.
Numerous polls show that the majority of Americans want our illegal immigration problem fixed. If you disagree with those polls because they don’t include you, that is on you.

“Referencing “illegal aliens” is a misnomer.”

They are not of this country and they entered it illegally to be here. It is dishonest to try to avoid these facts by lumping them in with real immigrants who abide by our laws.
Using the proper term is being factual. You can choose to ignore those facts to soothe your heart or boost your politics if you want, I will not.

It is even more unfortunate that you cannot see the benefits of the individual rights and freedoms given to us by our founders. They alone are what made us the greatest country in the world.

The ACA infringes on your freedom of choice. You are no longer free to choose what only you know what is best for you, instead, you must pick from government mandated options or be punished. That is NOT my “opinion,” that is absolute fact. Your willingness to ignore that fact for your own comfort and convenience, does not change it.

You like to claim disagreeing facts as being nothing but opinion, so please feel free to prove your claims.

Posted by: kctim at July 28, 2014 10:02 AM
Comment #381500

tom humes, do you even read these comments? Here is something I posted up thread in response to kctim:

“I have never said I thought there were better and worse citizens and in fact have always, always tried to get you to understand that it is my strong contention that every voice needs to heard. Yours, mine and many, many more.”

What don’t you understand about this statement and how do you get to say that I think I only have the only right opinion? Your blind partisanship does not allow you to see that I am holding the opinion that your opinion is just as important as mine, simply because we disagree. You haven’t become wiser, you have become more cynical and have less of an ability to determine what others are trying to say.

kct, anyone who comes to this country seeking to stay here from another country is an immigrant. That you seek to label some, prior to any review or subsequent adjudication as illegal, does not make them that except in your mind and unfortunately many of our fellow Americans. Our country does not adhere to the laws of kctim, thank goodness. The PPACA did not infringe on my freedom of choice. That the law mandates some requirements for people to have the necessary health insurance is a good outcome. I know that there are probably a contingent of people who really wanted to keep their Ford Pinto with the exploding gas tank and no seat belts and they feel that their freedoms were over taken by a concern for the general public when they were banned but I can’t feel to concerned about that as I don’t with someone who didn’t want adequate health insurance so that they could feel like their freedoms are so important while they could be driving up insurance rates by having their cut-rate non-existent health insurance.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 28, 2014 10:44 AM
Comment #381508

Speaks

There is a difference between coming to this country and following our laws in order to stay, and coming into this country illegally in order to avoid those laws.
You can call them little rays of sunshine for all I care, but they are not from here, and they are here not in accordance to our laws. I will stick with calling them illegal aliens.
That is not based on what I seek, what I believe or some laws I have created, but on fact.

The ACA infringes on the freedom of choice of ALL Americans. It is an official order that punishes those who do not comply. That, my friend, is a MANDATE.
It does NOT require some people to have health insurance. It mandates ALL will have government approved health insurance, or be punished by a tax. What happens to those who do not pay their taxes?

People have a choice to buy a Pinto or not, there is no government mandate forcing them to buy a Focus instead.

The truth is, unlike your Pinto example, you have no idea what’s in anothers best interest. You have no idea what is “adequate health insurance,” except for yourself. You have no idea if another person thinks their freedoms are more important, or if their freebies are more important. You have no idea if people had “cut-rate” insurance. You can only pretend to know.

Posted by: kctim at July 28, 2014 12:54 PM
Comment #381509

kct, and you would be wrong to call them “illegal aliens” as our laws do not refer to them as that. I will say again every person that comes to this country is an immigrant, they do not need to be concerned with your definitions. They just need to want to come to this country. Once they are in this country the processes of review and adjudication will determine their status.

Oh I see, I don’t have any idea what’s in anothers best interest but you do? Forgive me if I don’t take your word for that. The PPACA is the best thing that has happened in this country for healthcare delivery in a very long time. It is to bad that it had to be crafted to address health insurance cost but that is what we have to work with. That it is succeeding is evidenced here.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 28, 2014 2:19 PM
Comment #381521

Speaks

And I will say again that it is not my law or definitions. People much smarter and with more power than me, have created a process of laws for an immigrant to enter this country. Those who follow those laws are entering this country legally, those who don’t are entering this country illegally.
That has nothing to do with politics, hate, racism, proper definition, or anything else, that is the law.

And no, I have no idea what’s in another’s best interest when it comes to their health care, nor do I pretend to. That is why I support freedom of choice for ALL, not just some.

You value your emotions and the dollar more than you do the individual rights and freedoms of others, that is why you think it is the best thing that has happened to this country. I cannot do that.
That is why “evidence” showing a few million got insurance, or saved a few bucks, means nothing to me when you compare it to the 300+ million who lost their freedom of choice for it to happen.

Posted by: kctim at July 28, 2014 4:49 PM
Comment #381523

kct, you can refer to them anyway you want to, it is a free country remember that. Once an immigrant arrives in this country if they came here without the correct procedures or documentation being used and they are discovered, then their is a review process conducted and adjudication if necessary. kctim is not involved in any of this, although I get the feeling you would like to be. The only thing you can do is support policy and politicians that best represent the legislation you would like to see enacted. Your definition of someone’s legality or illegality is not considered as part of our due process in this country.

Thanks for telling me what I value and think, not that it means much to you but you are yet again dead wrong, you like to use canards and false equivalence to validate your arguments. It is not impressive and only detracts from the opinion you are attempting to support. I will continue to support the PPACA in as many ways as possible and hope for the successes this could bring.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 28, 2014 5:10 PM
Comment #381526

Speaks

“you have become more cynical and have less of an ability to determine what others are trying to say.”

Now you are judging my ability and saying I am cynical just because I fit some slot you have designed to make me fit into. How can you know what my ability really is? You can’t. You are, as I said, an elitist.

For shame

Posted by: tom humes at July 28, 2014 6:58 PM
Comment #381527

Every immigrant without proper documentation is in this country illegally until a court decides otherwise. Unlike our citizens, who enjoy a presumption of innocence until proven guilty, immigrants are illegal until proven otherwise.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 28, 2014 7:38 PM
Comment #381528
With the intel gathered by the Clinton and the Bush admins. Obama was able to take credit for what those previous admins. did.

KAP, Neither the Clinton nor the GWB administration who you claim had the “intel” to get OBL actually got OBL. The Obama administration did however, your reluctance to give credit where credit is due causes one to doubt your integrity on the issue.

If you think Obama his self was able to track down and get OBL I’ll sell you some ocean front property in Chicago.


No one has ever claimed such KAP however you claimed “Khaddafi’s people killed him Obama had nothing to do with it.” which leads me to believe you have already bought the ocean front property in Chicago. I noticed you haven’t come up with a shred of backup for this gem.

Did you notice how you were willing to give credit to both the Clinton and GWB administrations for coming up with the “intel” even though Bill nor George his self did the work to gather the “intel”, but when it comes to Obama you hold the bar much higher, he has to do it his self or it don’t count, why is that?

Obama don’t need us conservatives to make him appear wrong he is doing a good enough job of that himself.

KAP phx8 just provided a list of accomplishments of the Obama administration to show how misguided conservatives like yourself are when it comes to an accurate analysis of this administration.You, as is the case with so many conservatives caught up in the echo chamber, rebut with false accusations, vagueness and well….. myths misinformation, half truths and outright lies but nothing concrete. Do you realize how foolish that make you and your fellow conservatives sound?


Even some liberals smart enough are distancing themselves from Obama.

The question should be how come only “some”? Conservative propagandist have been making stuff up for 6 years now and all they can claim is some!

Posted by: j2t2 at July 28, 2014 7:54 PM
Comment #381529

j2, Without the intel from both Clinton and Bush admins. Seal Team 6 was able to get OBL, I give more credit to the prior admins. for this then I do the Obama admin. As far as Khaddafi, as I said his own people the revolutionaries are the ones who killed Khaddafi The Huffington Post confirmed this just after he was killed. Now lets get to Obama’s accomplishments, 17 Trillion debt, ACA which is falling apart, domestic policy a joke as well as his foreign policy, The VA, IRS, Solyndra, a Southern border that is like Katrina was to Bush, the onloy accoimplishment I can think of is maybe his Golf game is better now.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 28, 2014 8:57 PM
Comment #381535

Clinton, Carter, Johnson, Kennedy, Truman and the rest of the Democratic Presidents were never called the N-word, never called a monkey, never had their birthplace, patriotism, and religious beliefs questioned, and none were accused of hating America and nor were they compared to African witch doctors. They weren’t accused of “White slavery” they weren’t called the antichrist, they didn’t have the Confederate flag waved outside the White House when they occupied it. It’s definitely race-based, and the rise of the Tea Party and its racist overtones made me a Democrat for life.

Posted by: TreyL at July 28, 2014 11:12 PM
Comment #381546

Speaks

I have NOTHING to do with the process that determines legality, nor how it is applied. By LAW, if you do not follow that process to enter the country, you are here illegally. Of course legality cannot be confirmed until your case is heard, but saying they are legal until they get caught is not how the law works, and is one of the most ridiculous things to be said on here in a while.

YOU tell us what you think and value, not me. And your inability to refute what I said does not mean I am using “canards and false equivalence.”
Impressing you is not on any list I have, Speaks. You are what is referred to as a ‘hopeless romantic’ when it comes to anything Obama. For some reason, you are excessively sentimental when it comes to him, which causes you to disregard fact for personal opinion and desire.

It’s good that you are willing to support the ACA in as many ways as you wish, all should be willing to actually support the things they say. Just be honest enough to accept the facts, and you can begin with the fact that others are not willing to support the ACA and, for the good of the country, want it gone.

Posted by: kctim at July 29, 2014 9:34 AM
Comment #381547

Clinton, Carter, Johnson, Kennedy, Truman and the rest of the Democratic Presidents never called white people ‘blue eyed devils.’

Oh, and Trey, Clinton most definitely went through much of the same crap Obama has gone through. His patriotism and religious beliefs were questioned almost daily, and he was labeled as hating America. And yes, he was even called the anti Christ, and the Confederate battle flag was worn and flown, whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.

Bush also went through much of the same. He was called a N-azi, called a chimp, had his military service questioned non-stop. His patriotism and religious beliefs were also questioned. He may not have been called an African witch doctor, but he was called an dumb white redneck.

IF “racist overtones” really mean something to you, then you really need to re-evaluate your decision to be a “democrat for life.”

Posted by: kctim at July 29, 2014 10:01 AM
Comment #381548

tom humes, I can say that because of your inability to understand this:

“I have never said I thought there were better and worse citizens and in fact have always, always tried to get you to understand that it is my strong contention that every voice needs to be heard. Yours, mine and many, many more.”

What makes you think that I don’t consider a different opinion as valid in the statement above. Because I disagree with you? Elitist? Hah, don’t try to use your silly little catch words that you learn from right wing websites here. This is not the Fox news message board and you will be laughed at instead of revered. The shame is all yours.

kct, that is their prerogative as I have stated so many times in the past. I have never expressed what I value, you choose to interpret that from my comments incorrectly. This is a canard, “You value your emotions and the dollar more than you do the individual rights and freedoms of others,” that you don’t see that is an expression of the willful ignorance that I eluded to in previous comments on this thread. You do not know what I value you are assuming that you do.

OK, so all of the animosity that you feel you can show towards a sitting President is because “everybody does it”? Very weak, very weak.

Treyl, I don’t need to tell you this but you made the right decision when you decided to be a Democrat for life especially in this climate of hate, fear and disregard basic understanding that is portrayed by the Republican/Teaparty.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 29, 2014 10:29 AM
Comment #381552

Speaks

If the policies you support are not a reflection of your values, you are doing something wrong.

I interpret your comments based on the policies they support, or don’t support. Most leftist policy is based on emotion and the dollar. Most leftist policy places the desires of society ahead of the rights of the individual.
IF that is only a rumor or some story that I have made up, it should be easy for you to refute.

I hold no animosity toward President Obama, I disagree with the policies he supports and is forcing me to comply with.

My point to Trey was not that ‘everybody does it.’ I was merely pointing out that it is ridiculous to suggest that this type of behavior magically began when Obama became President.

Posted by: kctim at July 29, 2014 12:59 PM
Comment #381553

kct, you are again using a canard by using the descriptions of leftist policy that you did. You cannot verify these contentions through any form other than your own interpretations, so therefore they are false or baseless, except to you.

The very significant racist quality of some of the behavior towards our sitting President did magically begin when he became president. You can choose to ignore that but it doesn’t deny the fact.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 29, 2014 2:22 PM
Comment #381562

Speaks and TreyL, Crap magically happens when any person assumes the role of POTUS. Some bow down and worship him/her and some sling crap. Obama is no different.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 29, 2014 5:12 PM
Comment #381566

KAP, I would agree with that assessment. It comes with the territory. This is also why I believe President Obama has performed admirably even with the crap slinging. I have yet to meet or see anyone bow down and worship him but as I have said before, I am certain that you and I have different news feeds. Oh and the crap slinging prior to this President, never involved racial epithets have they?

Posted by: Speak4all at July 29, 2014 5:33 PM
Comment #381568

Speaks

“IF that is only a rumor or some story that I have made up, it should be easy for you to refute.”

Thanks, but you wouldn’t have to bother with links if you would read what has been actually written.

“You cannot verify these contentions through any form other than your own interpretations, so therefore they are false or baseless,”

I can prove every one of them, in fact, I have asked you more times than I can count, to prove them to be wrong.

What do you say Speaks? Let’s have an honest, factual discussion.

Posted by: kctim at July 29, 2014 5:55 PM
Comment #381569

We have never had a Black President before have we Speaks. As I have stated in a different thread, “We have STUPID on both sides.”

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 29, 2014 6:06 PM
Comment #381571
Without the intel from both Clinton and Bush admins. Seal Team 6 was able to get OBL, I give more credit to the prior admins. for this then I do the Obama admin.

yes I know which is why I asked ” Did you notice how you were willing to give credit to both the Clinton and GWB administrations for coming up with the “intel” even though Bill nor George his self did the work to gather the “intel”, but when it comes to Obama you hold the bar much higher, he has to do it his self or it don’t count, why is that?”


As far as Khaddafi, as I said his own people the revolutionaries are the ones who killed Khaddafi…

Ya scared me KAP, the way it was worded I thought you were saying it was Khaddafi’s people who killed OBL! With the outrageous conspiracy theories and non scandals being bantered about the past 6 years by conservatives I thought….. well I’m glad you clarified your point.

Now lets get to Obama’s accomplishments, 17 Trillion debt,

KAP you hold Obama responsible for 17 trillion in debt, despite the fact most of it came before his time. The fact is both Reagan and GWB added over 100% to the debt levels while in office more than double what Obama has added. The worse thing Obama has done is continue the GWB tax cuts, yet we were still at war wasn’t we.

ACA which is falling apart,

No it is being attacked by conservatives, the more successful it gets the more they attack it.


domestic policy a joke as well as his foreign policy,

If it wasn’t for vague and ambiguous you wouldn’t have a comment here KAP. Be specific if you can stop relying on the conservative media for these vague assertions they are false.


The VA,

Both money and legislation intentionally held up by conservatives in Congress put the blame where it belongs.

IRS,

A made up non existent scandal! As are the rest of the non scandals Issa has been trying to claim for the past 4 years, It is the way losers work when they have no ideas or workable policies for the country but want to be in power. You should be ashamed of yourself for using these made up lies from Issa and his ilk KAP.

Solyndra,

No corruption, just a business that went bankrupt name a president that has been there and done that. 1.3% of the DoE’s loan portfolio. If your criteria is the DoE’s portfolio then it is 98.7% successful yet that isn’t good enough for you when Obama is associated with it I guess.


a Southern border that is like Katrina was to Bush,

Only in the minds of conservatives, who passed the law Obama is now dealing with.


the onloy accoimplishment I can think of is maybe his Golf game is better now.

It is sad that you insist on raising the bar so high that no matter what Obama does it isn’t good enough, the fact is he inherited a depression in the making and a bunch oh JBS types that would do anything to keep the country from getting better while Obama is in office.

Conservatives accuse him of being a dictator for using executive orders then refuse to put any laws on his desk that would fix the VA or anything for that matter. How can you tolerate such weak minded political games by these conservatives, to the point of shutting down the government, and then blame Obama?

Posted by: j2t2 at July 29, 2014 7:59 PM
Comment #381575


Oh I see how you can justify those political games,
http://aattp.org/in-their-own-words-white-conservative-men-explain-why-they-hate-obama-and-the-government-video/

Posted by: j2t2 at July 29, 2014 9:22 PM
Comment #381576

j2, I do not tolerate the political games of either party. As far as the government shutdown, it was Obama’s idea that shut it down, republicans just called his bluff. Conservatives passed a law that was meant for children who are being abused by their governments, not what is happening now. How could any laws hit Obama’s desk that originate from the house with Harry Reid blocking them and you claim republicans are the obstructionist?????? Bill Maher is what you came up with, I consider him and Rush about the same and I don’t listen to either. Try again j2.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 29, 2014 9:39 PM
Comment #381580

“Conservatives passed a law that was meant for children who are being abused by their governments, not what is happening now.”

No, that was not what the law intended to address. It was trafficking in children.

But, that isn’t really germane to the issue. The issue is that the law provided for more extensive due process for children from non-contiguous borders. They just cannot be immediately turned around.

Obama is simply complying with the law passed unanimously by conservatives. But, somehow, the border crisis must be his fault.

Posted by: Rich at July 30, 2014 7:22 AM
Comment #381581

KAP, true we have only had Presidents of the “right” color for some up until President Obama. But since we have had only white Presidents tell me how they dealt with the racism that they were exposed to. All of the remarks about how the cracker is not doing his job, or those that said that honky is really stupid, or those made up pictures of them in KKK white robes and burning crosses. Oh wait a minute there wasn’t any of that. Hmmm, I wonder why? It might be because the stupid on one side is much more vocal and has no scruples?

kct, you are unable to have an honest, factual discussion because you use your version of who I am and and what I value and not mine. I refuted your contention on leftist policy however I neglected to tell you that I don’t know what this leftist policy is that you refer to and I don’t believe anyone else does because it only exists in the minds of those that wish to denigrate the liberal and progressive causes. So you combine a canard (leftist policy) with a false equivalence (my support of that supposed leftist policy) and determine that you have discovered what you set out to discover, a leftist plot! Please use rational arguments to support your opinions and not your fevered imagination.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 30, 2014 9:27 AM
Comment #381584
I do not tolerate the political games of either party.

KAP I have to disagree, you seem to have fallen for the complete line of conservative propaganda judging by your responses to anything Obama. The non existent scandals you mention, the bar set so high for Obama and so low for Reagan and GWB is a clear example of the prejudice I speak of. Obama sent the seal team in yet because he didn’t lead the team his self it was the GWB and/or Clinton administration that deserves the credit! Yeah you do tolerate the political games of the conservatives.

As far as the government shutdown, it was Obama’s idea that shut it down, republicans just called his bluff.

No repubs didn’t do their job as representative of the people of this country, they shut the government down. They did so intentionally because Obama is president, sore losers the lot and you defend them with this silliness, So yeah I would say you do swallow the political games whole.


Conservatives passed a law that was meant for children who are being abused by their governments, not what is happening now.

What! the law requires the border patrol to give these people due process, it takes time and is directly related to the crowding of the immigration facilities, SO yeah you do make excuses for the conservatives when it comes to blaming Obama. You not only tolerate the political games of these JBS’ers you support them when it allows you to criticize Obama.


How could any laws hit Obama’s desk that originate from the house with Harry Reid blocking them and you claim republicans are the obstructionist??????

How, how about not attaching an amendment that repeals the ACA to almost everything for starters. How about not sending bills to the senate that cripples the country with more nonsense that has hurt the country for so many years. So once again KAP the political games are defended by you each and every time. You don’t question these games you defend them as if they were true. You sallow them whole without a thought, hook line and sinker a fish on the conservative line.

Bill Maher is what you came up with, I consider him and Rush about the same and I don’t listen to either. Try again j2.

Right KAP you don’t listen to either. Keep repeating it enough times and you will believe it. But I don’t .

Posted by: j2t2 at July 30, 2014 10:00 AM
Comment #381586

j2, I don’t give a crap what you believe. As far as the ACA it is falling apart, Obama has by executive order, illegally I might add as he doesn’t have the authority to change an existing law. You can spout all your left wing BULLS**T all you want. As far as the border goes, it is not just Obama but many of the previous admins., but I do blame Obama for the current mess. As far as the rest of the messes this administration has gotten itself into, time will tell.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2014 10:24 AM
Comment #381588

Speaks, IN MY OPINION, that STUPID is pretty much even. There were some on the left that were quite vocal about Bush. There was even one writer on this blog that wanted Bush dead, but I guess a lot on the left wished that. I agree there are some on the right that wish that on Obama but also IMO all Presidents have gone through the wackos either they be Right or Left.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2014 11:11 AM
Comment #381589

KAP, OK I’ll have to take you on your word about stupid being even. My examples of white Presidents having to endure racist comments notwithstanding would seem to indicate you really don’t get it though. As has been pointed out to you, you seem to have an affinity to ignore the stupid on the right and instead focus on “Yah, but the other side used to do it too”. Not good enough.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 30, 2014 11:33 AM
Comment #381593

speaks, I don’t know if white presidents had to endure racist comments or not, but IMO they probably did from the minorities. Also this racist crap with Obama came to be headline news since he is the darling of the media. Any other president it would have been,IMO, not news worthy. I do not ignore any STUPID, the STUPID now is from the right wing lunitics, the prior 8 years it was the left wing lunitics. How can you ignore STUPID when it is around you constantly?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2014 12:13 PM
Comment #381594

KAP, no this racist crap came to be because it was being spewed by and ignored by right wing supporters. Any other President you cannot prove that it happened to so you cannot prove that it was ignored. Look I think you would like to be considered objective but you are going to have to at least admit to some disregard of evidence to the contrary, to get any of us to consider that. Haven’t seen that so far.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 30, 2014 12:26 PM
Comment #381595

speaks, After googeling I could not find any president who had racist remarks made about him except thousands of articles about Obama. 1- No racist remarks were said about any other President or 2-As I stated it wasn’t news worthy. IMO I lean towards 2, it wasn’t news worthy, and as I stated Obama is the medias darling and any remarks against him or his policies is considered RACIST.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2014 1:51 PM
Comment #381597

KAP, then you are wrong. You ignore the evidence even if your search determines that you are wrong. This is what I called earlier in this thread “willful ignorance”, you choose to willfully ignore evidence and knowledge that you are making an incorrect assumption because it could run counter to your beliefs. Media darling? Maybe by your standards but I question those, as would any observant person commenting here. I don’t think we can continue this as you are taking that position of “fingers in ears and la, la, la I can’t hear you” nonsense.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 30, 2014 2:05 PM
Comment #381604

Speaks, Although I could not find any white president who endured racist remarks, I did find white Presidents who were extreme racist which included both parties. All because racist remarks are not published as they were about Obama does not mean they didn’t exist. It is “willfully ignorant” as you call it to think it didn’t happen to other presidents.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 30, 2014 3:34 PM
Comment #381605

KAP, OK, I tried. You just don’t have a clue but that’s OK. That shouldn’t stop you from commenting on your opinions and others. It just makes it difficult for me to continue a dialog that is all. If you can’t provide evidence that it happened then I cannot willfully ignore something that isn’t there.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 30, 2014 3:44 PM
Comment #381613
I don’t give a crap what you believe.

Spoken like a true movement follower KAP.

As far as the ACA it is falling apart, Obama has by executive order, illegally I might add as he doesn’t have the authority to change an existing law.

Were it true it still doesn’t mean the ACA is falling apart. I mean some parts of implementing the plan were delayed or rescheduled but nothing’s fell apart. Perhaps it is wishful thinking on your part KAP.

You can spout all your left wing BULLS**T all you want.

KAP exactly as the movement leaders demand, ignore them lefties only get your information from us, right?

As far as the border goes, it is not just Obama but many of the previous admins., but I do blame Obama for the current mess.

Despite the fact he is simply following the law! SO which is i,t he is to be blamed for following the law or he is to be blamed for not following the law as you just did in your last comment. It looks to me like you guys are saying he is wrong no matter what he does. Oh I know, he would be right if he broke the law on immigration and followed the law on the ACA, its not the law being broken by an administration (lord knows the Reagan administration did enough of that to become idols of the right wingers)it’s the wrong priorities that you object to.

As far as the rest of the messes this administration has gotten itself into, time will tell.

Seems to me it was Daryl Issa the witch hunter who has manufactured most of the non scandals. Shame it has been such a waste of taxpayers money but for some reasons you guys don’t mind wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on witch hunts. Are you guys still looking for some of Obama’s DNA on a dress or what?

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