How privileged are you?

I recently took an online test about “how privileged are you.” It was clearly designed to be PC, so I was astonished and vaguely insulted to find out I was not privileged. I think the reason is that the test was set up for young people today and lots of things of the “old days” are now considered unprivileged. In college, for example, I used to skip meals to save money and go to bed hungry sometimes. Everybody did that sometimes. I admit that I often skipped meals one day in order to save money for beer the next, but I answered the question truthfully. I also did not have a car in college because almost nobody did and didn’t have cable all my life because it wasn’t invented. Maybe people in the past were mostly all underprivileged.

Another of the sets of questions I don't think apply to me either. They ask if I was ever bullied as a because of my "identities". Of course I was. Everybody was. If the bully could identify anything different about you, you got bullied. Bullying was just much more common in the past. You just expected to run away when you saw a bunch of bigger kids coming your way.

"Mocked for your accent?" Sure. When you grow up using gerunds w/o gs and lots of swearwords, you have to change to enter polite society. I spent my first couple years in college adding gs to my works and more clearly pronouncing the TH in words that had them, i.e. Those things instead of Dem tings. and eliminate some phrases like "yous guys," "make the window closed" or my personal favorite describing a place where "the bus bends the corner around." One of the purposes of education is to improve your ability to communicate and that means making it possible for more people to know what you are talking about.

Some of the questions are based on misinformation. For example, I have never heard this statement: "You have been randomly selected for secondary passport control." My answer is yes. Several times. I am not sure what made it happen for me but I got it and so did my son Espen. But this is generally a random process.

Anyway, I am certain that I am privileged now and glad of that. I worked hard to get here. It has long been my goal to make it to the top 1%. I don't think I will ever achieve that, but at least I can be privileged. Maybe I should take the test again and think about only the last twenty years. I know I could get a much higher score.

Posted by Christine & John at April 12, 2014 12:33 PM
Comments
Comment #377854

LOL…took the test and came out with a 76; “most privileged”. I agree C/J that the questionnaire is highly PC oriented.

I have always considered myself to be privileged due to my parenting and religious experience. Growing up in a loving family with strong religious beliefs and four other siblings in small town America in the 40’s and 50’s was indeed a privilege.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 12, 2014 2:59 PM
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One of the biggest stories on the internet news outlets (i.e Drudge and Infowars) is big government placing their boot upon the throat of a cattle rancher in Utah. Turns out Harry Reid is involved up to his eyeballs with China, green energy, and land grabs. One commenter said this after the BLM agreed to back down, “One man’s cattle can now graze freely (for now), but the republic is still lost. This is not a victory for freedom. This is a colony of roaches scurrying to their hiding places after the light was turned on. They will be back.”

“Roaches”, or better yet “Cock Roaches” is a great name for the diseased left in America.

Let’s try to write articles about the debauchery of the Democratic left and forget the nice little stories about how privileged we are. Privilege is only associated with the elitism of the left. I bet it broke the hearts of the privileged liberal media to actually be forced by Drudge to cover the BLM land grab.

Posted by: James T. Kirk at April 12, 2014 3:10 PM
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James, a little relief now and then from political hardball is welcomed by me and others.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 12, 2014 4:05 PM
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I agree, it’s not a very good test. I only scored a 56 even though I probably come from one of the most privileged backgrounds imaginable.

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 12, 2014 5:23 PM
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Warren

I only got 41. But I admit that I don’t think like a PC guy. I answered yes to being the victim of gender and racial discrimination, people mocking my accent, going to bed hungry etc. I know that would offend some people that a white male could say that, but I know that I have had a harder time getting some promotions and jobs due to my gender and race. I suppose the same is true for women and people of color. Maybe it is “progress” that everybody can now say yes.

James

You are welcome to write here. I know they are looking for writers. I know there are lots of bad things happening in our country every day. But I don’t have any real new information to add about them and I don’t only blame the left.

Posted by: CJ at April 12, 2014 7:01 PM
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I know one liberal who served twenty years in the Marine Corps, served two and a half tours in Viet Nam, helped his wife raise eleven children, worked 14 years for Wal*Mart at their headquarters in Bentonville, Arkansas, continued to work part time jobs after retiring for the third time. This man never deliberately hurt any innocent person in his life.

Mr. Kirk thinks he is a cockroach…nuff said.

Posted by: David Stevens at April 13, 2014 8:46 PM
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I spent some time with the highest tenured faculty member at Chicago Law a few months back, and he did not have many nice things to say about “Barry.” Obama applied for a position as an adjunct and wasn’t even considered. A few weeks later the law school got a phone call from the Board of Trustees telling them to find him an office, put him on the payroll, and give him a class to teach. The Board told him he didn’t have to be a member of the faculty, but they needed to give him a temporary position. He was never a professor and was hardly an adjunct.

The other professors hated him because he was lazy, unqualified, never attended any of the faculty meetings, and it was clear that the position was nothing more than a political stepping stool. According to my professor friend, he had the lowest intellectual capacity in the building. He also doubted whether he was legitimately an editor on the Harvard Law Review, because if he was, he would be the first and only editor of an Ivy League law review to never be published while in school (publication is or was a requirement).

Consider this: 1. President Barack Obama, former editor of the Harvard Law Review, is no longer a “lawyer”. He surrendered his license back in 2008 possibly to escape charges that he “fibbed” on his bar application.

2. Michelle Obama “voluntarily surrendered” her law license in 1993.

3. So, we have the President and First Lady - who don’t actually have licenses to practice law. Facts.

4. A senior lecturer is one thing. A fully ranked law professor is another. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, “Obama did NOT ‘hold the title’ of a University of Chicago law school professor”. Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago.

5. The University of Chicago released a statement in March, 2008 saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) “served as a professor” in the law school, but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.

6. “He did not hold the title of professor of law,” said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago School of Law.

7. The former Constitutional senior lecturer cited the U.S. Constitution recently during his State of the Union Address. Unfortunately, the quote he cited was from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

8. The B-Cast posted the video.

9. In the State of the Union Address, President Obama said: “We find unity in our incredible diversity, drawing on the promise enshrined in our Constitution: the notion that we are all created equal.”

10. By the way, the promises are not a notion, our founders named them unalienable rights. The document is our Declaration of Independence and it reads: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

11. And this is the same guy who lectured the Supreme Court moments later in the same speech?

So Obama has not changed much since college and Senate days, he has always been a lazy fraud:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah9W24oMIRc

Posted by: James T.Kirk at April 15, 2014 7:03 AM
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Link to above quote:

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/03/to-be-lawyer-or-not-to-be.html

Posted by: James T. Kirk at April 15, 2014 7:05 AM
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RENO, Nev. (MyNews4.com & KRNV) — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hasn’t been very vocal about the cattle battle showdown in recent days, but says “it’s not over.”

Reid tells News4’s Samantha Boatman his take on the so-called cattle battle in southern Las Vegas. “Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over,” Reid said.

Senator Reid made his comments after the unveiling of four brand new battery-electric buses for the RTC fleet.


http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/Sen-Reid-on-Cattle-Battle-Its-not-over/nT5weKnqFkezV14I5GhESg.cspx

Why has Harry Reid injected himself into this BLM land grab issue? Reid needs to do his job in the Senate and present some of the House bills instead of blocking them. Perhaps Harry Reid could explain how he became a one percenter on a career as a politician? Reid’s injection of himself into the issue leads one to believe his involvement with the Chicoms and green energy.

Posted by: James T. Kirk at April 15, 2014 7:16 AM
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(CNSNews.com) - People participating in the food stamp program outnumbered the women who worked full-time, year-round in the United States in 2012, according to data from the Department of Agriculture and the Census Bureau.

In the average month of 2012, according to the Department of Agriculture, there were 46,609,000 people participating in the food stamp program (formally known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program). That contrasts with the 44,059,000 women who worked full-time, year-round in 2012, according to the Census Bureau’s report on Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States.

For each woman who worked full-time, year-round in 2012, there was slightly more than 1 other person collecting food stamps.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/food-stamp-recipients-outnumber-women-who-work-full-time

CJ, perhaps these recent news articles will help you find a real topic to write on; but you have to look…the main stream media will not touch them. Let’s talk about the corruption of Obama’s presidency, instead of the cushy, feel good articles. Let’s talk about Obama’s desire to destroy this Republic.

Posted by: James T. Kirk at April 15, 2014 7:24 AM
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James, I do appreciate the topics you have written on in your brief time on WB. You should be aware that C/J has written hundreds of hard-hitting political articles before you arrived here.

There is no need to criticize C/J and it does not aggrandize you.

Most of us on the Right are well aware of obama’s skimpy credentials and the nearly criminal acts of his senate dog Mr. Reid.

I admire the Nevada rancher and his friends who are willing to stand up to this corrupt administration.

The latest government over-reach emerging from Washington involves the Social Security Administration attempting to collect debt from Americans whose relatives owed money to SS.

“The effort to collect on old debts began with a single line in the 2008 farm bill that lifted the statute of limitations on debts to the government that are more than 10 years old. The Treasury Department then set up rules that allowed the government to settle such debts by intercepting taxpayers’ refunds. The department has collected about $2 billion in intercepted tax refunds this year, $75 million of that on debts delinquent for more than 10 years.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/social-security-stops-trying-to-collect-on-old-taxpayer-debts/2014/04/14/9355c58e-c40f-11e3-bcec-b71ee10e9bc3_story.html?hpid=z1

I won’t pin this outrage on obama directly, however it adds fuel to the fire characterizing a government out of control. When we see lawlessness at the top levels of government we can expect our federal agencies to follow suit.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 15, 2014 2:35 PM
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Royal Flush…pin anything on Obama??? It is certainly pinned on Obama; the buck stops at HIS desk. He’s a sorry, lazy, piece of shit.

Re/CJ’s past posts; most of what I read does not meet conservative standards. Obama and the progressives/liberals/Democrats are destroying our nation and it needs to shouted from the rooftops.

Posted by: James T. Kirk at April 15, 2014 5:33 PM
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Give Mr. Kirk a little more rope. He may soon be arrested for shooting Christians at a Synagogue. This blog site needs more posters like him. Watchblog’s death knell is ringing.

Posted by: David Stevens at April 15, 2014 9:30 PM
Comment #377893

David Stevens, is that all you are capable of…making snide remarks about other commenters? I haven’t seen any real intelligent comments from you. Why don’t you just KMA!!!

Posted by: James T. Kirk at April 16, 2014 2:08 PM
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“I admire the Nevada rancher and his friends who are willing to stand up to this corrupt administration.”

Royal,

I must confess to being puzzled over this issue. The rancher grazed his cattle on federal land for 15 years without paying the fee all other ranchers pay. He owes us millions of dollars. It has been litigated repeatedly. He has lost his court battles. Why should we turn a blind eye to his theft? He is asked to pay a fraction of the cost of grazing on private land or state land for that matter.

Posted by: Rich at April 16, 2014 5:24 PM
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As I understand it this rancher is holding the contention that his family claimed that land prior to the BLM. If that is the case then he must owe 150 years of property taxes for the property in question. Tax evading free loader would seem to fit as a description for him.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 16, 2014 5:41 PM
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Speak4all,

The rancher doesn’t seem to even be arguing that (prior claim). His family didn’t even arrive in Nevada until after the federal government acquired the land under a treaty with Mexico. He seems to be arguing that the federal government simply shouldn’t own the land even though the Nevada constitution explicitly recognizes the federal ownership.

In any case, he has lost the arguments in court on summary judgment which means there is no question of fact and he has no legal argument.

If he wants the federal government to give him the land, he needs to go to Congress and get them to give it away to him or sell it to him for a nominal fee. Otherwise, he needs to pay his bills and/or remove his cattle.

Posted by: Rich at April 16, 2014 6:33 PM
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Mr. Kirk.

Just how intelligent is a conversationalist and his post if he thinks half the citizens of his country are cockroaches?

Posted by: David Stevens at April 17, 2014 5:11 AM
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David Stevens; my actual words were:

>“Roaches”, or better yet “Cock Roaches” is a great name for the diseased left in America.Can you provide “Facts” that half of the US citizens are leftist? I can provide facts:
Self-professed liberals remain a small minority in America, equaling only 21 percent of the population, the same percentage they have held for the last two years, according to a newly released Gallup poll.

Liberals are even a minority within the Democratic Party, according to Gallup. In the new poll, 39 percent of Democrats said they were moderates, 38 percent said they were liberals and 22 percent said they were conservatives. Thus, in the grassroots of the Democratic Party, the combined moderate and conservative blocs out-number the liberals 61 percent to 38 percent.

So, as usual, your leftist accusations are a lie. I never said half of Americans are cockroaches; I said liberal progressives are cockroaches…which is 21% according to Gallup.

The question of intelligence should be placed at your feet. And so far, you haven’t exhibited any.

Posted by: James T.Kirk at April 17, 2014 8:01 AM
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Rich
Yes there is a lawlessness apparent in his motives. My contention of his family’s claim on the land is but just one of the many crazy stories circulated about all of this. I thought it was telling that they wanted to use their wives and daughters as shields if gunfire started. What a bunch of losers. I agree he needs to approach Congress if he wants the land but there would be a price to pay and I don’t think he wants that.

This all seems to be like a repeat of what happened during the Clinton administration. Ruby Ridge and Branch Davidian are but two instances, there were more. What is it with these groups and having to assert themselves during Democratic Presidents tenure in office. They are not getting their guns taken away, they are only asked to comply with the law. Then these groups are fed by talk radio/fox news/right wing pundits and even commenters on this blog to fight, fight, fight. Where is the law abiding mentality that they should be expressing instead of sedition and insurrection?

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2014 9:53 AM
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Well, as ol’ Sam Clemens once said (might have been Disraeli or Will Rogers or somebody else), “…on polls and the use of numbers they fall into three categories…lies, damned lies and statistics.”

President Obama ran as a progressive, thus the folks who voted for him were either progressive or leaning that way. But, I won’t quibble, what I will say is that you call 21% of your fellow ‘voting’ citizens cockroaches. If that makes you feel better, so be it. It surely represents the intelligence of many, many neo-conservatives. So congratulations.

Posted by: David Stevens at April 17, 2014 1:37 PM
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Where is the law abiding mentality that they should be expressing instead of sedition and insurrection?
Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2014 9:53 AM

Surely you jest. Can you appreciate all the law-breaking and non-enforcement of law that is going on in this administration?

When Americans understand that our Chief Executive and his appointees continually break, and choose to not enforce, our laws that a message is sent to us all. We are no longer a law-abiding nation. The law is no longer about justice. Those with the power exercise it with discrimination against those they wish to punish.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 17, 2014 3:07 PM
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I must confess to being puzzled over this issue. The rancher grazed his cattle on federal land for 15 years without paying the fee all other ranchers pay. He owes us millions of dollars. It has been litigated repeatedly. He has lost his court battles. Why should we turn a blind eye to his theft? He is asked to pay a fraction of the cost of grazing on private land or state land for that matter.

Rich, this is how I understand the issue and how it is has come about.

The family had been using the land, along with others, for a long time. Then, 15 years ago, the BLM implemented a policy that because there were sand turtles on the land they were required to pay a large fee to use the land that they had been using for free to provide a living for themselves and food for the rest of the country. Remember, much farming is so tightly regulated in this country because ‘food is an important resource’ that their ability to actually earn a living providing that food is so racheted down that they usually are cut to the bone or end up being replaced by large agri-businesses…

Anyway, while many of the other ranchers left the area because they couldn’t afford the exorbanent fees, this family decided to stay but not pay them. Most specifically, he was upset that the money would be going to washington for property that is in the state of Nevada, taking money out of the state for no reason other than to collect the money, it wasn’t going to do anything about the actual cause of the issue, the sand turtle.

I’m not sure that his current action was the best course of action, after all the federal government has been given, by a bunch of idiots who vote for these people, the power to do that to him, so legally he owes the money. But his actions did bring attention to a case that needed attention, IMO. In the end he is either going to have to pay the fine or just shut down his business. Taking his cattle, btw, doesn’t seem a smart move on the part of the government, one that has been an issue for some time. Fining people in such a way that they can’t pay the fine. How is he going to pay the find if he can’t raise and sell the cattle? Seems counter productive and is really just a strong arm tactic that most mobs would applaud…

BTW, there is some belief that this was all precipitated because someone ‘read politician’s buddies’ wanted to use the land for something else so driving out the current users of the land is a method of doing this. This has been done before, so it isn’t unprecedented.

Another thing that bothered me was the issue with putting up a ‘1st amendment zone’, I was under the impression that the whole of the United States was a ‘1st amendment zone’, it’s interesting that this administration is telling us quite clearly that that is not the case.

But I agree with the assessment that he hasn’t really gone about this thing the right way. But some people when basically told that they can no longer feed their families in order to save some turtle can get a little riled up.

Posted by: Rhinehold at April 17, 2014 3:17 PM
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This all seems to be like a repeat of what happened during the Clinton administration. Ruby Ridge and Branch Davidian are but two instances, there were more.

I find this typical that you would get some of your facts wrong here, Speak4all, imagine my surprise…

What the hell do you think happened at Ruby Ridge? 2 people died because the US government was incompetent…

At the trial that followed, Weaver was ultimately acquitted of all charges except missing his original court date and violating his bail conditions, for which he was sentenced to 18 months and fined $10,000. Credited with time served, Weaver spent an additional 4 months in prison. Weaver’s defense attorney, Gerry Spence, rested his case without offering a defense. Instead he convinced the jury to find as they did merely through his cross-examination and discrediting of the government witnesses and evidence.

Kevin Harris was defended by attorney David Niven and acquitted of all charges.

The surviving members of the Weaver family filed a wrongful death suit for $200 million. In an out-of-court settlement in August 1995, the federal government awarded Randy Weaver $100,000 and his three daughters $1 million each. The government did not admit any wrongdoing in the deaths of Sammy and Vicki. On the condition of anonymity, a DOJ official told the Washington Post that he believed the Weavers probably would have won the full amount if the case had gone to trial.

FBI director Louis Freeh disciplined or proposed discipline for twelve FBI employees over their handling of the incident and the later prosecution of Randy Weaver and Harris. He described the incident before the U.S. Senate hearing investigation as “synonymous with the exaggerated application of federal law enforcement” and stated “law enforcement overreacted at Ruby Ridge.

To answer public questions about Ruby Ridge, the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Government Information held a total of 14 days of hearings between September 6 and October 19, 1995, and subsequently issued a report calling for reforms in federal law enforcement to prevent a repeat of Ruby Ridge and to restore public confidence in federal law enforcement.”

And WACO isn’t what you seem to think it was either. The Branch Davidians had so many guns because they were selling them as a business to make money. They were doing so legally and had nothing but legal weapons on their premises. The search warrant was issued because one official told the judge that some people could modify those guns if they wanted to… The judge was never told that the Sheriff of WACO had gone out and investigated and determined that all of the guns on premises were legal.

Seriously, you should really do some investigation into the topics you discuss… Even a basic Wikipedia glance would illuminate you a little bit I imagine.

Unless you think that the government can do no wrong or something like that… Funny how these things don’t happen that much during a Republican presidency. I guess these ‘militia groups’ (of which neither one of these groups were) just pack up and go away during those administrations.

Posted by: Rhinehold at April 17, 2014 3:50 PM
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Royal
Is there anything that happens in the world that you don’t blame President Obama for? We are discussing how a lawless person is being touted as a hero by talk radio/fox news/right wing pundits and even people on this blog. But no we have to turn every discussion into a vilification of the President. Geez this gets old.

Rhinehold
Look screwball I am not saying everything is the same in all instances. I am saying that these right wing weirdos just seem to wait in the wings for a Democratic President to get elected and then they go off their collective rockers for whatever reason they have at that time. You interject “facts” where I gave none. But that is not surprising you do that all the time. Misread what I type.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2014 4:06 PM
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Speaks for himself writes; “But no we have to turn every discussion into a vilification of the President. Geez this gets old.”

Since you don’t deny that this administration is “lawless”, and seem to object only to my frequent reminders of this fact, I will not remind you again unless you claim otherwise in the future.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 17, 2014 4:13 PM
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Royal
This administration and President Obama in particular are not lawless. He is doing the job we elected him to do within the boundaries of law. If he were breaking the law there would be impeachment papers covering all of Washington DC. There is not. That you continue on this path does not surprise me since the latest from talk radio/fox news and right wing pundits is to stress “he’s lawless” and “he lies”. How does it feel to be led around by these types? Does it make you feel comfortable to let them dictate what you think about a sitting President? Now you might ask me the same questions however as I stated above he is doing what he was elected to do and I have not been tricked or lied to. That is my opinion and you are welcome to yours. Ain’t this a great country?

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2014 4:38 PM
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That is my opinion and you are welcome to yours. Ain’t this a great country?
Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2014 4:38 PM

Yup…it is a great country and we are both entitled to our own opinion. The problem is; I am not stating opinion. Can you deny that the prez and his AG are not enforcing certain laws? If you don’t know what I am talking about…a simple google search will enlighten you.

BTW, I read many newspapers, most of them left leaning. I am beginning to read more about the current lawlessness in those sources. Do you read Speak?

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 17, 2014 4:44 PM
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I am saying that these right wing weirdos just seem to wait in the wings for a Democratic President to get elected and then they go off their collective rockers for whatever reason they have at that time. You interject “facts” where I gave none.

And I’m trying to point out to you that these weren’t ‘right wing weirdos’, both cases were an overzealous government making huge mistakes and costing people their lives.

And yes, I interject facts where you gave an inaccurate description of events to show that your understanding of those events were flawed.

Whether you take it upon yourself to see where your understanding was flawed is on you, not me.

Posted by: Rhinehold at April 17, 2014 4:46 PM
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Rhinehold
Oh I see so now you admit you “interject facts”. You see it as an over zealous government that caused the problems, I don’t I see it as right wing crazy people who use the excuse that the Democratic President is threatening them. I could say the same about the policeman on the street. Look he’s carrying a gun, attack him he is trying to threaten us. But I don’t do that I respect his position and the rule of law that he upholds.

Royal
The President and his Attorney General are working within the boundaries of the law to bring about the changes that President Obama was elected to make. I know you did not elect him and see great misgivings in what he does. That is OK and I am glad we can both agree on this is a great country.

I read but see none of this nonsense about his “lawlessness” except in the right wing news sources. There may be some questions being posed by liberal sources although I believe them to be a healthy examination of what really takes place. If he and Holder were breaking the law there would be total outrage instead of this faux outrage from the right. Where’s the impeachment papers? I think Eric Holder will go down as one of the best AGs ever.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2014 5:03 PM
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Speak, when those charged with enforcing the laws don’t do it…it is call “lawlessness”. You write about impeachment. I don’t believe obama will face those charges, do you?

More Americans are discovering that this president and his administration are not capable of truth telling and equality in law enforcement. obama won’t face an outraged public as he can’t run again…thank God.

His party will suffer from both his lawless actions and inactions. The way it looks now, his party is running from him and trying to cover their collective asses. obama will be a smudge in the history of our nation; one characterized by his inability to lead or follow.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 17, 2014 5:30 PM
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You see it as an over zealous government that caused the problems, I don’t I see it as right wing crazy people who use the excuse that the Democratic President is threatening them. I could say the same about the policeman on the street. Look he’s carrying a gun, attack him he is trying to threaten us. But I don’t do that I respect his position and the rule of law that he upholds.

I’m not the only one who saw it that way, the courts saw it that way and the congressional hearings saw it that way. The family was awarded millions in damages because of those actions. The people in question were defending themselves and were not the ones who shot first. Again, if you want to talk facts and not what you want to be true, look up the facts. If you want to just spout what you believe to be true, please continue to do so. I’ll make sure to educate those reading of what the actual facts are opposed to your faith that the government did not act incredibly out of line.

Posted by: Rhinehold at April 17, 2014 5:46 PM
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I think Eric Holder will go down as one of the best AGs ever.

Based on? Oh yeah, faith…

The President and his Attorney General are working within the boundaries of the law to bring about the changes that President Obama was elected to make.

Quick question… When the President’s actions are deemed unconstitutional by a 9-0 count on several occasions, do you consider that operating within the law?

In Horne v. Department of Agriculture, a decision issued in June, the justices unanimously rejected the Obama administration’s argument that raisin farmers did not have the right to go to court to contest the seizure of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of raisins. The Fifth Amendmentstates that the government must pay “just compensation” whenever the government takes private property for “public use.” But the administration claimed that farmers could not even raise the takings issue in court without first enduring lengthy delays and paying a $483,000 fine.

Horne was the administration’s third unanimous defeat in a property rights case in 18 months. In Sackett v. Environmental Protection Agency, it claimed that a couple had no right to go to court to seek compensation after the EPA blocked construction of their “dream house.”

In Arkansas Game & Fish Commission v. United States, it unsuccessfully argued that the Fifth Amendment doesn’t require compensation when the federal government repeatedly and deliberately floods property owners’ land. Even liberal justices normally skeptical of property rights claims, including one of President Obama’s appointees, found these arguments too much to swallow.

The Obama administration has also suffered unanimous defeats in several other important cases.

Last year, the justices rejected the administration’s position that the religious freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment does not apply to churches’ decisons to hire and fire employees with religious duties, such as teaching theology. Obama appointee Justice Elena Kagan called the administration’s position “amazing.”

In United States v. Jones, another 2012 case, the justices unanimously rejected the administration’s claim that the Fourth Amendment does not restrict the government’s authority to attach a GPS tracking device to a car.

We have James Clapper lying to congress, nothing yet done.

We have Holder who signs off on a search warrant of a reporter and lies about it to congress, nothing is done.

We have Holder who is held in contempt of congress and the DOJ says it will do nothing about it.

We have Obama who says that he has the authority to kill US Citizens without due process.

I’m not sure how you can say that the administration is acting within the bound of the law here, Speak4all. For sure they aren’t violating the law every day on every situation, but never? I’m sorry but facts are facts…

Posted by: Rhinehold at April 17, 2014 5:57 PM
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Rhinehold,

I think that we basically agree on the legal issue regarding the rancher. He is wrong.

A brief correction on the facts as I understand them. The rancher and his family in the past paid the grazing fee until the turtle issue. At that time, the BLM in accordance with a law passed by Congress took steps to protect a species on the land. They weren’t required to pay a large or larger fee nor prohibited from grazing on the land. They were required to reduce the number of cattle grazing on the specific property. OK, in essence, that increases the cost per head on that specific property but it was not a blanket prohibition against grazing or an increase in fee per se.

As I have said before, his recourse is with Congress that passed the law limiting grazing on the specific property. Same with his argument that federal ownership of the land is inappropriate. Go to Congress and get them to pass a law giving or selling the land at below market value to ranchers or anyone else interested in the property. By the way, he could purchase the property but it would be at market value which he doesn’t want to do.

Posted by: Rich at April 17, 2014 7:36 PM
Comment #377942

Rich,

Yeah, I really don’t think he has a leg to stand on here. Of course, people are want to back someone who is being oppressed by the state, but there are many more real examples of this going on than this instance. I am not sure I agree with the regulations concerning the sand turtle, but the way the laws are set up currently, the federal government has been granted that power.

However, I was glad to see the government back down a bit here and not go in guns blazing over something like this, it can be dealt with much more reasonably I am sure, it doesn’t have to be done right this second. I would like to think that something was learned by past outcomes.

Posted by: Rhinehold at April 17, 2014 7:42 PM
Comment #377943

BTW, I found this interesting…

http://www.examiner.com/article/state-rep-admits-she-s-against-freedom-live-free-or-die-new-hampshire

On Sunday, New Hampshire State Representative Suzanne Mercer Vail actually posted on her official Facebook page that she was against freedom. Her post didn’t gain traction until today when Granite Staters started commenting. Apparently Rep Vail (D-Nashua) believes that freedom is already ‘maxed out’ in New Hampshire. She bashes ‘Free Staters’ for actually wanting more freedom. Meanwhile Rep Vail tells voters they should check out her votes in the House. They are listed below. Clearly, she’s against freedom and for higher taxes, more spending and more laws.

What she said (emphasis added mine):

One rarely considered consequence of the Free State Project, will be the formation of another form of government. The aim is to overpower the state government. The method is to weaken the laws of New Hampshire, creating more freedom and liberty in a state where that is maxed.

Why do I say another government will form, in the absence of our present circumstances? Because to over throw will require the constant overpowering of those who dissent.

There is no such thing as a Free State, but I can tell you how to avoid re-electing a Free Stater, by assisting with looking at their State House voting record. This year there were many roll call votes. You are welcome to look at mine!

Posted by: Rhinehold at April 17, 2014 7:46 PM
Comment #377944

Royal Flush,

You keep making the assertion that the Obama administration is lawless. But, it just that, a simple and repeated assertion without any factual support.

In my opinion, it has been an administration remarkably free of major scandal or self dealing. It’s still not over, but I don’t recall any major indictments let alone convictions. There has been nothing of the order of Iran-Contra. Yet, if you were to believe the right, there must be something like that. Well, where is it?

Rhinehold,

The fact that the Obama administration has lost some Supreme Court cases is hardly supportive evidence that the administration is acting outside the boundaries of the law or lawless. It has also won some very important Supreme Court cases. Every administration will win and lose some cases. That’s the way our system works, thankfully. It is how a nation works within the rule of law.

If the Obama administration was as “lawless” as many right wing commentators contend, it would disregard the courts. How are the courts or the Supreme Court going to enforce their rulings? On the contrary, it fully respects the rule of law and has abided by the decisions of the courts including the Supreme Court.

If the Obama administration has broken the law, then pursue the available legal recourses. There are recourses beyond pointing a finger. But, that would require actual proof before a court of law. Congress also has recourses. But, that again would require some proof beyond fantastic allegations.

Some Republicans in Congress have made a cottage industry out of making spectacular allegations. Some have been outright slanderous. Yet, none have been able to prove any of the allegations.

Posted by: Rich at April 17, 2014 8:19 PM
Comment #377945

“I would like to think that something was learned by past outcomes [Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc.].”

Rhinehold,

Yea, I agree. The BLM has other options to collect its money. It can simply garner any proceeds from sale of the cattle. Its simply not worth pursuing a confrontation.

I really have little idea about the issue of federal control of most of the land in Nevada or some other western states. It appears to be an accident of history. It was land that wasn’t desirable when the feds were giving it away with the homestead acts.

Posted by: Rich at April 17, 2014 8:43 PM
Comment #377946
On the contrary, it fully respects the rule of law and has abided by the decisions of the courts including the Supreme Court.

Most of the time, perhaps, not but all…

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/12-1281

Obama’s appointments to the NLRB have been held improper by several courts, we’ll see what the Supreme Court finds, and how the administration will respond then.

But tell me, Rich. How do you reconcile the suggestion that the president has claimed to have the power to end a US Citizen’s life without due process or act of war? Or the power to take troops into war without proper authorization from the Congress as specified in the US Constitution (something he railed against George W Bush for when he was a senator)?

I agree, the congress has been backing down against him on these things, even while being accused of being that dirty. Because the Republicans want the precedent set so that when the next Republican president takes us to war in Ukraine, or Indonesia, or wherever, the anti-war people who supported Obama will have no moral ground to stand on then… It’s not about right and wrong, it’s about what kind of power can the party get.

Posted by: Rhinehold at April 17, 2014 8:43 PM
Comment #377948

Rhinehold,

Nobody disagrees that the best course of action is to indict, arrest and try a US citizen engaged in terroristic actions against the US.

The problem obviously is that some such persons are operating outside of the reach of US forces and immune from arrest. So, what should we do? Allow them to continue to actively engage in activities designed to kill fellow citizens?

The decision to act with drone attacks is legally grounded in the doctrine of self defense. Just because a person is a US citizen doesn’t mean that you need to allow him to kill other citizens before you can act to deter him even if that means killing him/her. Due process protections aren’t a suicide pact.

I would be more comfortable with a formal, but secret, judicial process that would issue arrest warrants for capital offenses prior to any action. If the warrants cannot be executed, any action to kill the persons would have to be justified with evidence that the person(s) was engaged in activities presenting imminent danger to US citizens or other persons.

As for presidential war actions without Congressional declarations, I basically agree that neither party is going to tie the hands of a president. The War Powers Act attempted to address this issue after the debacle in Vietnam with limited success. However, it is a somewhat toothless act. The acts have already occurred before Congress even technically gets into the debate. If the actions are limited and without major risk, such as in Libya, it is unlikely that either party is going to get into second guessing the actions or questioning the legitimacy of the acts. I might say, however, that presidents are generally reluctant to engage in risky or major actions without prior approval of Congress, i.e., Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Obama, contrary to Libya sought Congressional approval for any action in Syria. So, there are some practical limiting forces in play.

Posted by: Rich at April 17, 2014 10:13 PM
Comment #377954

An interesting history of land use rights in the west, including an amazing map of federal lands in the west… 93% of all federal lands are in the west, btw.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/04/ryan-mcmaken/many-westerners-are-victims-of-the-fedgov/

The problem obviously is that some such persons are operating outside of the reach of US forces and immune from arrest. So, what should we do? Allow them to continue to actively engage in activities designed to kill fellow citizens?

No, we go to a judge and get a warrant, an indictment, a trial in abstentia, etc. That’s due process. In the example used where this came to light, they had been tracking the individual for months or years. You’re telling me that they couldn’t get any of those things in that period of time?

It’s not that the government can kill a person, that happens as distasteful as it is. But to do so without ANY due process? Without any oversight? No, I’m afraid that just isn’t something that we, as Americans, should allow AT ALL.

I’m glad that you say you would feel more comfortable, but IMO people should be outright outraged. We should be making the Iraq anti-war protests look like a quilting bee in comparison. And if it was a Republican president who claimed this power, I think you would see that, that is the most frustrating part.

Obama, contrary to Libya sought Congressional approval for any action in Syria. So, there are some practical limiting forces in play.

While saying, quite clearly, that he didn’t think he needed to, that he was doing it as a courtesy. The reason for this section of the Constitution was to prevent just what we saw with Vietnam, Libya, Yemen, Pakistan and other places we are bombing/killing people. Doing so would require the approval of the people through their representatives. It would help prevent a new monarchy/dictatorship.

Posted by: Rhinehold at April 18, 2014 8:13 AM
Comment #377968

Rhinehold,

Arraignment and trial in absentia are not constitutional in the US. So, while it seems reasonable to obtain a warrant for arrest, we are still going to be left with the problem of executing the warrant and bringing the person to trial. He/she must be physically present for due process beyond an arrest warrant to proceed.

It should also be clear that the criteria used by the Obama administration is that the US citizen is in a command position within al-Quaeda, an organization that has declared war on the US. Further, that the person has been actively engaged in operations against the US and that such operations constitute an imminent threat to the US.

I agree that some form of independent judicial review and issuance of warrant is appropriate. However, if execution of such warrant is impossible due to his/her protected status within an organization at war with the U.S. and for other reasons, I am fully supportive of actions including lethal drone strikes to neutralize that individual.

If a US citizen had joined and achieved a commanding rank within the SS during WWII, do you think there would have been any compunctions over killing him in a bombing raid due to his citizenship status? I seriously doubt it. What’s so different here?

Posted by: Rich at April 18, 2014 7:43 PM
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A really good write up from Brian Doherty at Reason.com on the BLM/Bundy standoff.

The immediate “crisis” portion of the standoff involving the federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy over his cattle grazing on federal land ended last week.

Whether this will be end of Bundy’s troubles with the BLM, who have been in court with him over his refusal to pay fees to them for decades, remains to be seen, with the Bundys reporting that they’ve received registered mail from the BLM this week that they haven’t opened yet.

I blogged about a lot of the factual background of the conflict here, with links to some relevant court documents.

This story really caught fire with lots of deeply emotional people on both sides of a rough “state vs. citizens” rift in American consciousness. This is even though the specifics of the story don’t resonate with that many people’s lives—few of us are ranchers or have armed government agencies literally stealing the instruments of our livelihood. On the other side, few of us feel that the order and safety or our lives are seriously threatened by recalcitrant ranchers or “militia members.”

The specifics of the case also create many annoying ambiguities for libertarians, especially those who pay fealty to the “rule of law” over a kind of screw-you anarchism. A huge show of force against citizens attempting to peacefully protest seems like it could be overkill even if you think in general, the law has gotta be enforced. (But if you really believe that, you can’t blink when recalcitrant people have to be shot dead at times.)

Depending on who you identified with, you could see people on both the government and Bundy sides as making ominous threats, either implicitly or explicitly. Those sorts of facts don’t speak to who is right or wrong in principle, but in a story involving humans in conflict people like to feel sympathy for their side’s behavior and demeanor, not just their position in the conflict.

Those, then, are two of the (at least) three Americas. The third probably thinks that Bundy should have probably just given up somewhere along the line, but Christ leave him alone now, and also probably that at a certain point essentially sending in an army on such a mild form of disobedience might be overkill. But alas, that’s what it all has to come down to, when dealing with a man who thinks he’s in the right, and has friends who agree with him.

Posted by: Rhinehold at April 20, 2014 12:09 PM
Comment #377990

Rhinehold,

From your quote;

“A huge show of force against citizens attempting to peacefully protest seems like it could be overkill even if you think in general, the law has gotta be enforced.”

I hope I am not the only one that sees the irony of a “peaceful protest” peopled by a bunch of gun toting yahoos.
It was widely reported that Bundy’s son was tasered, however, it was not so widely reported that he was tasered after kicking one of the dogs used by the BLM.

I also find ironic the logic of the apples and oranges crowd that wish to compare Obama’s “crimes” to those of Bundy’s.

Obama has not actually been charged with any crime.

Bundy has had his day in court and lost.

There is no free lunch.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at April 20, 2014 7:07 PM
Comment #378003
I hope I am not the only one that sees the irony of a “peaceful protest” peopled by a bunch of gun toting yahoos.

I’m not sure it’s a wise practice to call the police ‘yahoos’, but if you want to do that, that’s your call.

Posted by: Rhinehold at April 21, 2014 10:16 AM
Comment #378015

I ended up “quite privileged” and the poll said my life is “easier than most.” Interesting.

I enlisted in the military because I wanted to go to college, my parents did not make enough money to pay for my tuition, and I did not want to take out a student loan. After enlisting, I deployed to Afghanistan three times and was wounded by a rocket propelled grenade explosion on my third deployment. I am now disabled through the VA and Social Security for my service-connected injuries, which includes brain damage that affects my short term memory and ability to speak.

Nevertheless, I’m using the Post 9/11 GI Bill to attend college as a mechanical engineering major. I intend to get off disability and become a productive citizen again through education to find a career that’s compatible with my disabilities.

No worries though. I’ll just go to the nearest supermarket to pick up some of that “white privilege” I keep hearing about. Is “white heterosexual male privilege” more expensive than “white privilege”? Which aisle can I find “Christian privilege” on? Is there a two-for-one coupon I can use?

I am offended with the presumption that my life is “easier than most” or that I’m “privileged” because I’m white, heterosexual, Christian, and a man. I challenge anyone who considers my life to be “easier than most” or “privileged” to face the hardships and struggles I have dealt with and continue to deal with.

Nevertheless, I agree that I am privileged. I am privileged to be given the opportunity to serve with the finest men and women this country has to offer and gain life experience through the hardships and struggles we endured together as a family.

I suppose I should be grateful for my “white heterosexual male Christian privilege” because it would sure suck to be a gender-confused snowflake that got beat up in high school.

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