War on poverty

My liberal friends have a real problem here. They want to argue that the plight of the poor has not improved in order to demand more government programs. On the other hand, they need to argue that the biggest government programs aimed at helping the poor, the "war on poverty" worked and that more government policies can help even more.

The poor today generally are better off, in that they have access to more and better goods and services. This is largely because of technology. Things have become cheaper and better, so that luxuries once available to the wealthy now can be had by even the poor. Poverty in the sense we would have understood it in 1965 is largely gone. But the government programs aimed at the poor had little to do with this.

The programs themselves largely failed because they failed to address the behaviors and habits that cause people to become and remain poor. Some anti-poverty programs went in the opposite direction.

How might a good program work? What you would need to do is teach a different set of habits and behaviors. We used to do this. We absorbed millions of immigrants from some very benighted places in the world and made them into Americans. We assimilated them. My Polish grandfather didn't know how to behave in America. He had to unlearn much of the peasant wisdom that had served our ancestors for centuries. He had to stop making excuses, take responsibility and not blame others for his plight. We need to assimilate "the poor" in the same way, teach them the ways of American success.

This will be a hard sell. We will have to recognize that it is indeed "the system" that keeps people poor but the part of the system that is broken is the part of the poor themselves. We can and should help them overcome their problems, but they have to overcome them. We cannot do it for them.

You see on the chart that poverty was dropping until the war on poverty. The war on poverty did not cause that progress to stop. What happened is that we started to come up against the hard core of poverty culture. Opportunity helps those who take it.

I doubt we will ever eliminate poverty, since we will continually redefine it. By reasonable standards of 1914, there is almost no poverty in the U.S. today in that a upper middle class standard of living back in 1914 was below today's poverty line in the amount and quality of goods a family could buy. But there is poverty of spirit. The upper middle class family of a century ago had much less stuff, but they were better disciplined and happier than a poor family today. Things that are not material are related to culture, behaviors and habits.

Posted by Christine & John at January 17, 2014 3:55 PM
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Yet another myth C&J. Despite all the conservative attacks on these programs over the years, despite the erosion of the middle class, the income inequality policies promoted by conservatives over the years, despite trickle on economics, despite the failure of the “job creators” to provide jobs, the programs that have remained have indeed helped. Even the term “War on Poverty” seems to be an exaggeration as the war was over almost as soon as it started C&J. It became a “Skirmish on poverty”.

“In the decade following the 1964 introduction of the war on poverty, poverty rates in the U.S. dropped to their lowest level since comprehensive records began in 1958: from 17.3% in the year the Economic Opportunity Act was implemented to 11.1% in 1973. They have remained between 11 and 15.2% ever since.[21]”

“A 2013 study published by Columbia University asserts that without the social safety net, the poverty rate would have been 29% for 2012, instead of 16%.[24] According to OECD data from 2010, the poverty rate before taxes and transfers was 28.4%, while the poverty rate after taxes and transfers fell to 17.4%.[25]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_poverty

Posted by: j2t2 at January 19, 2014 1:16 PM
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j2t2

The poverty rate was dropping from the late 1950s. This is the fact that you can check.

Let’s use the source you linked

It dropped from 22.4% in 1959 and it was dropping. By 1966, the rate had dropped to 14.7%. If it is hard to read the chart, check out the CRS report that has it in table form.CRS report

In other words, poverty dropped nearly 7% before the war in the seven years before the war on poverty began to have effect. In the next seven years it dropped to 11.1% and then progress stopped. It was 14% when Jimmy Carter left office and went up above 15% twice after that, most recently in 2010.

So in the years since the war on poverty, poverty remained.

As I write, I think life is physically better for the poor today than it was in 1964. But it was mostly advanced in technology and better products that did this.

The Columbia study is very depressing if true, and more depressing for big government folks. If w/o the war on poverty welfare help, poverty would be 29%, that means that all this government spending has produced a result WORSE than it was in 1959 before we started this work. It might indicate that the effort was even less effective than I thought.

Posted by: CJ at January 19, 2014 1:43 PM
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We’re simply not good at war anymore. We don’t win wars, we just declare something or other and walk away. Why don’t we do the same with the “war” on poverty…just walk away or declare a truce?

We can continue to provide the necessities of life to those who can’t or won’t provide for themselves, but we don’t need a “war” to do that. The word “war” implies a winner and a loser. In our war on poverty we have only losers.

The poor lose by never leaving the grip of poverty and those paying for it lose because their money is ill spent.

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