Healthy McDonald's diets with Coca-Cola

It seems that many people in the U.S. maintain a special kind of hatred for things like Coca-Cola and McDonald’s. I have been consuming both for my entire life w/o problems. I might say “everything in moderation” but I drink more than two liters of Coke every day and have done for around fifty years. Some would say that was immoderate. But McD can be consumed in moderation and in health. Take a look at this link.

Most of us are familiar with the move "Super Size" where a guy ate nothing but McD all month and got fat and unhealthy. It was mendacious. The man simply consumed lots of fat and calories. Do that with any diet and you get fat.

The link here shows a science teacher in Iowa, who ate nothing but McD and LOST weight, while lowering his cholesterol. He ate Big Macs, but also other things available at McD and did so in moderation with a healthy lifestyle.

I enjoy a Big Mac at least once a week. I also regularly eat pizza, tacos & processed flower. I am happy if my food has GMOs. I drink around 30 liters of Coke Zero each week. I almost never drink water unless mixed with extracts of things like cola nuts, barely, hops, or corn. And I love salt. I do also like vegetables; I eat them with my Rammen. My health is exceptionally good because it is possible to be very healthy w/o going organic.

You just don't need to worry that much. Pretty much everything you eat, drink, breathe or touch CAN cause cancer if you consume too much. But most of us don't. So eat that Big Mac and take large fries if you want. But walk more and be sensible. And, yes, Coke Zero and McDonald's can be part of a sensible diet.

If you eat nothing but rice cakes and organic foods, while avoiding Coke, alcohol, donuts and candy, you won't live any longer, although it might seem like it.

Posted by Christine & John at January 6, 2014 9:43 PM
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Comment #375445

In full disclosure, I Love regular Coke.

I am not a coffee drinker, so I get my caffeine and sugar from soda in general…or at least I have over the last 25 years or so ( 5 - 6, 20 oz bottles per/day)!

However, as I’ve aged, my body and stomach has become a lot more sensitive to various foods, drinks and their respective ingredients.

Stomach pain, heartburn, indigestion and other similar ailments have hit me hard over the last year or so. Thus, on June 15, 2013, I stopped drinking sugary drinks - specifically Coke.

Along with that one ‘main’ behavioral/diet change, I have not had ONE stomach issue since! What an awesome feeling!!!

I’ve also lost 22 lbs. I feel better, my stomach is great, I have more energy, I don’t breathe hard after climbing a flight of stairs and I’m more confident in general.

In short… I’m stoked!

I only drink water (and an occasional alcoholic drink or two at special occasions).

That’s my own personal story. I too saw the Iowa teacher’s 90-day experiment. Again, it did not surprise me. But I’m shocked that you don’t see how bad soda is for you - whether diet or regular. Btw, diet soda is actually worse for people. Thus, you might as well guzzle liters of regular Coke if you prefer. On a personal level; I’m not on board with legislation like in NYC that limits choice; it’s intrusive. You and others have every right to eat and drink whatever you wish!

The negative effect of soda and other sugary drinks, along with other fried foods and poly-saturated foods, trigger Cortisol in the body. This trigger tells the body that they need and/or crave more bad foods - even when they’re full. It’s a vicious cycle. It’s unnatural hunger; not normal hunger.

I know, I became the junk-food King from 1984 - 2013! LOL!

I’m merely telling a personal narrative. “Have a Coke and a smile!”

Posted by: Kevin L. Lagola at January 7, 2014 12:24 PM
Comment #375446

The problem with Super Size Me is the results haven’t been duplicated by anyone who tried. No one can really say what caused the negative health issues (if they really did occur) but it hasn’t been seen in anyone else that repeated the same diet.

The video is a great example of how basic and simple it is to diet. You don’t need organic. You don’t need a paleo diet. You don’t need to avoid GMO or eat vegan. You don’t need the urine of pregnant women. You don’t need a cleanse or a detox. Hell, you don’t even need to exercise (but exercise is good for you of course). You just need to eat fewer calories per day than what your body needs.

For most people a 2,000 calorie diet will cause weight loss because most people need way more than 2,000 to maintain their weight and if they’re a little active even more so. The problem is folks don’t know how many calories are in foods. A big mac, large fries and large regular cola is 1,330 calories. If people eat that meal along with even a light lunch or breakfast they’re gaining weight that day. If you’re getting 500 or 600 calories a day just from drinking soda you’re headed for trouble.

What really gets people is when you realize a large tub of movie theater popcorn with butter and a cola is at least as many if not more calories than a big mac, fries and drink depending on how much coconut oil was used. And some people will go back for a pop corn refill. It’s very possible that some couples will go to a movie together and consume as many calories there in one sitting as they need during an entire day’s time.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at January 7, 2014 1:47 PM
Comment #375447

Moderation and exercise!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 7, 2014 2:03 PM
Comment #375448

Black Coffee, no sugar, is the elixir of life. It gets me moving in the morning and I drink it all day long. At 73, I have no stomach problems or trouble sleeping at night.

Many years ago I developed ulcers and my doctor told me that it wasn’t what I ate that caused the ulcers, but rather…what ate me. I stopped worrying about things I couldn’t change and never had ulcers again.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2014 2:17 PM
Comment #375450

I quit smoking and drinking and the only thing getting fat is my wallet!

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 7, 2014 2:54 PM
Comment #375451

Anecdotes aren’t science. If they were, I could make the honest argument that since I am a smoker of more than 40 years, without getting lung cancer, the smoking link to cancer is bogus, proved by my anecdotal experience. But, my argument would be ignorant, uneducated, and bereft of any allegiance to cause and effect science.

A science teacher, note that, lives on McD food for a long time without ill effect. Same argument I made above about smoking. But, C&J wants to offer this story up as evidence that our government should not be involved in educating the public in ways that will save tax payers in the long run. Some folks will never pass logic 101. The big picture is missed by C&J, that of lowering the cost of government through public education on healthier lifestyles. That is what the story of the Science teacher is about, not the anecdote that one person could live on McD without ill effect for a relatively short period of time.

Posted by: David R. Remer at January 7, 2014 3:04 PM
Comment #375452

There’s a big difference between spending money to tell people certain behavior is bad for them and spending money telling people if they don’t stop certain behavior they will be punished.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 7, 2014 3:07 PM
Comment #375453

Willie has it right. Give us good information and let us decide what to do with it.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2014 3:14 PM
Comment #375454

I find it refreshing that despite the record cold temps the US is experiencing no one seems to be predicting a new ice age. We should remember this in July should we have record high temps.

Climate does change we can all agree on that. Man should not attempt to try and change that with whatever puny efforts might be tried.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2014 3:20 PM
Comment #375456

Royal,

“I find it refreshing that despite the record cold temps the US is experiencing no one seems to be predicting a new ice age. We should remember this in July should we have record high temps.”

I’ll try to be gentle here as you don’t seem to understand the meaning of the word “Global”.

The last two weeks have seen a heat wave in Australia with temps in some areas topping 120F. 2013 was the hottest year on record in Australia, breaking the record set way back in 2012.

Argentina has seen people die in the last few weeks from record heat.

Perhaps it would be wise to recognize that North America isn’t the only continent on the planet.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 7, 2014 3:58 PM
Comment #375457

I will be gentle also Rocky. Climate does change…man is not the cause.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2014 4:01 PM
Comment #375458

Royal,

“Climate does change…man is not the cause.”

Have you ever been to Glacier National Park?

I have been there twice, once in 1970, and again in 2006. The change was breathtaking.

It was once well known for it’s glaciers.

They are virtually nonexistent now.

Yeah, climate does change, but since the start of the industrial revolution, man hasn’t, and isn’t helping.

Rocky


Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 7, 2014 4:20 PM
Comment #375459

C&J,

One glaring error in your post: Coke & McD’s taste terrible x_x

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 7, 2014 6:24 PM
Comment #375460
I’ll try to be gentle here as you don’t seem to understand the meaning of the word “Global”.

What happened to “Global”, Rocky Marks?

You condesendingly claim Global then bring up a tiny speck of a continent to make your point!


The last two weeks have seen a heat wave in Australia with temps in some areas topping 120F. 2013 was the hottest year on record in Australia, breaking the record set way back in 2012.

It seems to me if the Southern Hemisphere is getting record temps and the Northern Hemisphere is getting record temps they should average out to be normal.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 7, 2014 6:56 PM
Comment #375461

Kevin

I suppose everybody reacts differently. As I said, I have been drinking Coca-Cola a long time. The ordinary sugar Coke was eventually making me fat. No mystery, given the calories. I switched to Coke Zero and defeated that problem.


David

I have nothing against governments offering information about food and exercise. It depends on how intrusive. And how effective.

People are fat and unhealthy because of bad choices. If government information helps them make smarter choices, that is a good thing. One problem with government information is that it gets too complicated. If you think about it, people making bad choices are probably more confused than those making good ones. You have to keep it simple for such folks. If you convince them that they have to do something hard, like eat only organic etc, they will just not do it.

David and Adam

Adam makes a good point, one I like to make. If you make good choices, you can get good nutrition in many places, including McDonald’s.

R&R (Rocky and Royal)

When the Vikings colonized Greenland, it was really green in parts. They established their colonies there when it was warm. When it got colder, they died on. Today the ice in Greenland is retreating. It is revealing old Norse settlements that have been buried in the ice for hundreds of years. So it seems that it is warmer than it was for hundreds of years. But it is also clear that when those Northmen build their settlements, the didn’t do so under ice, so it was as warm then as now.

There are lots of things we don’t know about the climate. It is definitely getting warmer overall. The effects of human activity are harder to figure out. The models have not been working well for the last decades.

When I was a kid, we worried about global cooling. Scientists thought that we were overdue for an ice age. Maybe they were right. Could it be that human induced warming might stave off an ice age?

Posted by: CJ at January 7, 2014 7:15 PM
Comment #375462

Rocky stated:

I’ll try to be gentle here as you don’t seem to understand the meaning of the word “Global”.

The last two weeks have seen a heat wave in Australia with temps in some areas topping 120F. 2013 was the hottest year on record in Australia, breaking the record set way back in 2012.

Argentina has seen people die in the last few weeks from record heat.

Perhaps it would be wise to recognize that North America isn’t the only continent on the planet.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 7, 2014 3:58 PM

- With all due respect the aforementioned weather and climate occurrences of which you speak of are as ubiquitous as the day is long.

What changed? Our 24/7 new media that can, in an instant with social media and satellites provide us with pictures and stories; our ‘I-told-you-so’ nature of finger pointers when an anomaly exists (remember what Al Gore predicted in 1999? HINT: it has to do with Artic Glaciers melting by 2014). Tell that to the scientists that were trapped in ice in Antarctica (actually, none of the occurrences that you cite are ‘anomalies.’

But we seem to have veered off the original topic of this post - Micky-D’s and the end results of our behaviors versus laws that force us to do ‘X’ with the threat of penalty.

Yes, inform me - don’t Force Me to do ‘X.’ Willie and Royal are right on target.

Posted by: Kevin L. Lagola at January 7, 2014 7:15 PM
Comment #375463

Warren

I like both and so do lots of other people.

Posted by: CJ at January 7, 2014 7:22 PM
Comment #375465

A persons body chemical makeup can have a huge affect on the effects of what we stuff in our oral cavity. I believe that is why some people can contract diabetes and others that eat the same meals don’t get the disease. It is evident in the native indian tribes and their ability to put weight on so easy even to the point of obesity.

Maybe Colorado will put a program into motion to have coke and pot as a menu item. That would be a gateway for users to become heroine. lol

Posted by: tom humes at January 8, 2014 7:19 AM
Comment #375466

Kevin,

“But we seem to have veered off the original topic of this post - Micky-D’s and the end results of our behaviors versus laws that force us to do ‘X’ with the threat of penalty.”

I could give a rat’s ass what you eat, and the only thing I would wish to “force” people to do is to use their brains for something other than to sit on.

I too eat “fast food” but I have no illusions as to it’s nutritional value. You might as well eat the tray the food comes on.
McD’s is toy food. That they have added salads to their menu is a marketing ploy to get the rubes in the door. Anyone who actually reads the “nutritional chart” supplied would be appalled.

“What changed? Our 24/7 new media that can, in an instant with social media and satellites provide us with pictures and stories; our ‘I-told-you-so’ nature of finger pointers when an anomaly exists (remember what Al Gore predicted in 1999? HINT: it has to do with Artic Glaciers melting by 2014).”

Shall we now blame the media for climate change?

As for Al Gore I have never been a fan and have stated so on these pages many times.

“Tell that to the scientists that were trapped in ice in Antarctica…”

Do you understand the difference between land ice and sea ice?

“…actually, none of the occurrences that you cite are ‘anomalies.’”

Really? And you base that on what?


Willie,

“It seems to me if the Southern Hemisphere is getting record temps and the Northern Hemisphere is getting record temps they should average out to be normal.”

Your logic is simply breathtaking.


Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 8, 2014 3:51 PM
Comment #375467

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/man-loses-37-pounds-by-eating-exclusively-at-mcdonalds-1496972541

A man lost 37 pounds and his cholesterol level dropped from 249 to 170 by eating exclusively at McDonald’s for 90 days. He ate everything: from Big Macs to salads to sundaes to shakes to quarter pounders. It’s the antithesis of Supersize Me, the pseudo-documentary of a man who did the same—with two crucial differences:

The first difference is that John Cisca—a science teacher in the Colo-Nesco School District in Ankeny, Iowa—didn’t eat like a pig. He ate 2,000 calories per day. He also balanced the intake of nutrients based on the FDA’s reference daily intake tables by combining different items from the fast food chain’s menu

Posted by: Rhinehold at January 8, 2014 4:08 PM
Comment #375468

Jack,

“When the Vikings colonized Greenland, it was really green in parts. They established their colonies there when it was warm. When it got colder, they died on. Today the ice in Greenland is retreating.”

So what you’re saying is John Cabot was a mere 5 centuries early in his search for the “Northwest Passage”.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 8, 2014 4:11 PM
Comment #375470

The unfortunate thing I’ve been noticing is that nearly everyone arguing on this topic of North America and its inhabitants for various issues is dealing with a middle school 1980s view. We know so many different things that we thought were true back then, including the fact than when the ancestors of the modern American Indians arrived in North America, there were already other people here who they hunted and killed to near extinction, that the Vikings were not even the first people to arrive to the New World from somewhere other than the land bridge, it is now believed that Ancient Greece explorers found North America… Heck, there are even rumblings and rumors that the Egyptians arrived here and set up colonies…

The main problem I have behind the science of ‘AGW’ is that they in come cases they use their own theories as the basis of their proof of those theories… As in ‘we know that x amount of carbon in the atmosphere leads to a temp of x, so we know the temps of the planet in the past by looking at carbon in the ice cores’, yet we see more carbon now and the temps are not increasing. The fact is that the science is not fully cooked in this area, proven by the fact that the science tells us that the global temp trends should have continued going up but haven’t. They have been essentially flat since 1998. And can be argued to have decreased. The Northern polar cap has melted (and are reforming) while the Southern polar cap is increasing.

That is not to say that some level of AGW is going on, but we still do not know the full extent of the causes and cannot adequately predict the result of those effects, if it is a natural cycle or not, or what the good and bad effects of those changes are. You notice you rarely hear of the good effects of AGW, do you? Who is to say we don’t want a slightly warmer planet?

The climate is changing. We know some of the causes, we don’t know all of the causes. We know some of the effects, we don’t know all of the effects. We need to learn more and we need to do it in a way that is unbiased. Scientific. There is unfortunately too much politics being played (mostly for power and money) in the arena to get real good science to come out from all of the bad science (on both sides) these days… It’s unfortunate because there are really important things we need to be finding out.

But you can tell when you are hearing ‘bad science’ in this area when you are told that ‘the science is proven’. Meaning, thinking we know everything is the worst way to look at any science, especially climatology, because that’s the very antithesis of what science IS.

The worst are the people who say ‘you can’t look at the polar vortex as proof against global warming’ and then see articles about the polar vortex as PROOF of global warming! Or any other myriad of weather events being proof of or against anything. It’s maddening.

Posted by: Rhinehold at January 8, 2014 4:35 PM
Comment #375471

RF said”I will be gentle also Rocky. Climate does change…man is not the cause.”

Wow! What denial. Man affects and alters everything in nature and has since the beginning of human civilization. The earth looks NOTHING today from low orbit space as it did before human civilizations dominated its face. And simple physics dictates that with all our energy conversions to heat, from asphalt to coal burning electric power down to flashlight bulbs, the cumulative effect is profound. Wisdom dictates that if you have a problem, DO NOT exacerbate it. We are exhuming fossil based greenhouse gases which nature buried as part of the earth balance before human civilization. Melt the arctic, and volume of greenhouse methanes shoots way up, and it is by far a more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. Republicans remind me teens who are told an enormous number of times that if they don’t drive defensively, they WILL have an accident. I know one teen who had five accidents before finally accepting that she was contributory in not driving defensively. But, at least she learned before being killed. Republicans won’t accept global climate change at human hands until it kills them and theirs. Can’t get more ignorant than that. And all those sucker poor and middle class Republicans who will be negatively affected by global climate change will continue to insist that profit is god and god they will not deny, regardless of the opportunity costs.

Posted by: David R. Remer at January 8, 2014 5:59 PM
Comment #375474

Rhinehold,

“Who is to say we don’t want a slightly warmer planet?”

I live in Phoenix where the temps for the last few weeks have been running up to 10 degrees above “normal”, so, not so much.

We know something is happening, we just haven’t nailed all of the causes yet, though looking around we can certainly identify human behavior that isn’t helping with the issues.

It was written here that “man’s puny efforts” won’t change anything.
Well man’s puny efforts have taken us to the moon and back.
Man’s puny efforts have put the computing power of those flights to the moon in the palm of our hands.
Man’s puny efforts have been mapping out the solar system for centuries.

Stupid can’t be fixed, but it shouldn’t be celebrated either.
Standing around sucking our collective thumbs doesn’t solve anything.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 8, 2014 6:15 PM
Comment #375476

Rocky

There is indeed a good chance that the Arctic Ocean will be navigable soon.

I believe that human activity is probably contributing to global warming. But I also know that significant climate change happened within the last 10,000 years and certainly much more before that.

At one point, trees grew tall above the Arctic circle and there was no permanent ice anywhere on earth.

I believe that in the long run, we will go with a renewable future. But in the next decades, we are stuck. U.S. CO2 emissions are dropping fast, but place like China are more than making up for it. We will need to mitigate and adapt.

Of course, it is still possible that we were in a cooling phase already. In that case, we may have avoided an ice age, which would be nearly a worse case scenario. Nature doesn’t need us to boil or freeze the earth.

In recent geographic history, we have seen long ice ages punctuated by shorter periods of good weather, lasting around 10,000 years. The last ice age ended about 10,000 years ago. Future generations may thank us for preventing, or at least postponing this catastrophe.


Posted by: CJ at January 8, 2014 6:29 PM
Comment #375477

Jack,

“U.S. CO2 emissions are dropping fast, but place like China are more than making up for it. We will need to mitigate and adapt.”

China is doing what we did 150 years ago, and they are doing it for the same reasons we did. They need to figure it out just as we did.

Denying it exists and sitting on our hands is just ignorant, and accomplishes nothing.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 8, 2014 6:40 PM
Comment #375479

Remer writes; “Man affects and alters everything in nature and has since the beginning of human civilization.”

If that is true, then every other living organism has had an effect as well along with every natural phenomenon. Why then call it MMGW? Is it simply because there is money and power in such a proclamation?

Here’s another Remer gem…”The earth looks NOTHING today from low orbit space as it did before human civilizations dominated its face.”

Well duh…who would have thunk that? By the way Remer, do you have satellite photos to prove your statement?

Then Remer propounds…”Wisdom dictates that if you have a problem, DO NOT exacerbate it.”

Oh, Really? We have a problem with education and poverty and continue to exacerbate both of those. Wisdom is knowing if there even is a problem and you certainly don’t know anything of the kind about our climate.

And, as a final resort, Remer goes into a screed about death at the hands of MMGW…how silly.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 8, 2014 6:50 PM
Comment #375480

BTW, Jack,

I think calling solar and wind power “renewable” is just wrong. They exist in perpetuity, we just haven’t found a way to harvest them cheaply.

If they ever run out it won’t matter anyway.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 8, 2014 6:52 PM
Comment #375481

Rocky has a problem with my statement…”“man’s puny efforts” won’t change anything.” He speaks of mankind’s achievement which are many.

Changing climate is about as possible for man today as stopping earthquakes, volcano’s, changing seasons and obama from lying.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 8, 2014 6:56 PM
Comment #375482

Rocky

China is doing what we did, but on a much more massive scale. Chinese emissions in 2020 could equal TOTAL world emissions of 1990. In other words, if the U.S. and others produced zero emissions, we would still be on that road that they worried about in Kyoto from the Chinese alone.

We need to recognize that to the extent that human induced CO2 warms the climate, the game is over. The die is cast, we just do not yet know how it will land.

I do not advocate doing nothing. The greatest gift to slow global warming has been natural gas, which is a big reason our emissions are dropping. In the longer run, we will develop alternatives. Even China will come around on this in the fullness of time. But in the next fifty years, we will live what is baked in.

I do question climate science, however, if people try to be too precise. As I wrote, the earth has been much cooler than it is today and much warmer.

We should also plan ahead with land use. For example, we need to plant different sorts of trees to anticipate the changed climate. We should not build permanent structures too close to the coasts. Eliminate Federal subsidies on flood and hurricane insurance. There are lots of things we can do and sometimes are doing. Turning back the climate clock is not an option.

Posted by: CJ at January 8, 2014 6:59 PM
Comment #375483

Rocky

Re renewable - It is just a useful term.

All energy is free, BTW. The cost comes in making into something we can use. Solar and wind are perhaps not renewable in some senses, if the materials used to make turbines or solar cells are not renewable. That is essentially the raw material.

Posted by: CJ at January 8, 2014 7:05 PM
Comment #375485
I live in Phoenix where the temps for the last few weeks have been running up to 10 degrees above “normal”, so, not so much.

Sooo, define normal? Normal for the past decade? Century? Millenia?

Maybe move? There will be much better places to inhabit in the northern parts of the country if we believe the models, right? Why insist that the climate must be what YOU say it should be?

Posted by: Rhinehold at January 8, 2014 7:19 PM
Comment #375488

Rhinehold asks…”Sooo, define normal? Normal for the past decade? Century? Millenia?”

I have asked the same question on numerous occasions and get no sensible answers.

All of mankind has had to adjust to climate where they choose to live. The liberals of today expect to adjust climate to what they desire. And, they wish to make that foolish attempt by curbing our liberties and robbing our pockets.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 8, 2014 7:36 PM
Comment #375490

BTW, it finally appears that the car that I had designed in my head in the late 70s and early 80s will soon be with us…

Here’s what I was thinking back before I had any kind of engineering, mechanical or physics training. I dabbled in working on such a car but time, life and other interests pushed me into other areas. But it is something I’ve always played with in the back of my head.

A car with four batteries, the car would run off of one and the alternator would power the other three. Yes I know NOW that this isn’t exactly possible, but the idea was getting into that new direction. And now the electric hybrids are getting better…

The car I designed would also have solar panels. These panels would power the car when it is sunny, which doesn’t help ALL the time, but when it does help it is a big help. Excess power collected would then charge the batteries… I am seeing reports of this being put onto prototype cars now.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy-Voices/2014/0107/C-Max-Solar-Energi-Ford-goes-off-grid-with-new-solar-car-video

The car would ALSO have wind turbines powering the batteries while the car runs. Many cars have little areas for the wind to channel through to make them more aerodynamic, if we place turbines in those areas and charge off of the wind, it would help keep the batter charged even during nighttime driving…

http://gizmodo.com/strap-this-wind-turbine-to-your-electric-car-and-you-ca-1497320336

Most of the new technologies are being started by independent startups, but are getting major funding from companies like Chevron and BP, because they know that they are going to have to get in front of the new emerging technologies in order to remain profitable in 20-30 years when most people won’t be driving gasoline powered cars anymore… IT is coming, it has ALWAYS been coming, it just takes time to make these technology leaps and innovations. It’s not just something you can throw money at and make laws dictating.

Posted by: Rhinehold at January 8, 2014 7:50 PM
Comment #375491
Re renewable - It is just a useful term.

As well as a descriptive term when one wants to distinguish between sources of energy that can be “renewed” by relatively free sources such as the sun, flowing water and the wind and those sources that take many many millennium to come into existence.

All energy is free, BTW.The cost comes in making into something we can use.

Not according to my utility bill C&J. As an example oil in the ground isn’t a free energy source as an energy from the sun when the company that extracts it must lease the property and sink a well, run the well and transport the energy source by pipeline or truck to a refinery to produce a useful energy source. The rays of the sun are free in that they available at the “something we can use” needed to convert the energy for use.


Solar and wind are perhaps not renewable in some senses, if the materials used to make turbines or solar cells are not renewable. That is essentially the raw material.

Don’t be silly C&J.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 8, 2014 7:55 PM
Comment #375492

j2t2

I was addressing Rocky’s specific comment.

Re - renewable - it is capable of being renewed. Wood is renewable; oil is not. Rocky made a valid point about wind and sun being always there. Extrapolating, his interesting insight is that they are not really renewable because they are not renewed. The sun will be the same tomorrow as today. You need not conserve it and you cannot plant more. It is an interesting point, but not very useful. That is why I said that I was using the term “renewable” in a useful way.

Re “free energy” - It is the cost of harvesting that you pay. If you have a solar array, you essentially own your own generating plant. That is not free. It must be purchased and maintained. The cost of your energy, therefore, is not free. It is the combined cost of your property, installation, maintenance and eventual replacement and disposal. This is not different in kind from a gas producer.

Posted by: CJ at January 8, 2014 8:36 PM
Comment #375511

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/this-guy-lost-100-pounds-eating-mcdonalds-and-became-a-1497812278

Loving Sploid, thanks for the daily awesomeness! I read of the teacher who lost 37 pounds on McDonald’s… thought you might be interested in this short documentary someone asked to make about me after learning that I lost 100 pounds and became a multi-sport athlete, completing an Ironman Triathlon (2.4 mile swim, 112 mile Bike ride, 26.2 mile marathon) while eating McDonald’s every day.

My issue with most people that lose weight on fast food is that they just lose size and become less big, but are still fat—skinny fat, but fat, like Jared, Fat Head guy, or the science teacher guy.

This is not just a test for me, it’s my lifestyle. I’m a busy single dad and learned how to use fast food as a tool to save time and still get the nutrition I need to support my sports, which went from world class ass-farming on my couch to triathlon, rock climbing, crossfitting, snowboarding, and any other damn thing I want my body to do.

Anyone can cut back calories until they lose weight—I contend that McDonald’s can be helpful part of an athlete’s diet. No, I have no business relationship with McDonald’s or any other fast food company. I wish, though. Have them shoot me an email! Also, I challenge that Jared guy to a dual at anything!

Posted by: Rhinehold at January 9, 2014 10:49 AM
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That is why I said that I was using the term “renewable” in a useful way.

Seem to me you are intentionally confusing the issue, with this silly “when the moon is out on Tuesday and you stand on one leg and look this way” modification to the term “renewable energy”.

The cost of your energy, therefore, is not free.

But it is renewable and the part that is renewable, the energy from the sun, the wind that causes the blades of the turbine to generate electricity, the water that falls from the sky into…. is free and renewable and not as subject to leases and centralized control of the resource,etc. Which is completely different from non renewable energy sources such as oil. Which is the point.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 9, 2014 11:31 AM
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Royal,

“Changing climate is about as possible for man today as stopping earthquakes, volcano’s, changing seasons and obama from lying.”

Perhaps changing human behavior might not be as easy as stopping an earthquake, but it might be worth a try.


Rhienhold,

“Sooo, define normal? Normal for the past decade? Century? Millenia?”

If you look at my comment I put normal in quotes with the hope that the reader might understand that “normal” is an overused term that nobody can define.

“Why insist that the climate must be what YOU say it should be?”

Did I actually insist anything? I think you are trying to put words in my mouth. Read it again.

Royal (again),

“All of mankind has had to adjust to climate where they choose to live. The liberals of today expect to adjust climate to what they desire. And, they wish to make that foolish attempt by curbing our liberties and robbing our pockets.”

I’ve lived in Phoenix since 1974. Arizona is a red state, and I double dog dare you to find anybody, even the most rabid Tea Party member, who says they love Arizona when the temps are above 110F for more than a month at a time.
That said, people live here because you don’t have to shovel sunshine.

Oh, and BTW Royal, any sentence that begins with “The liberals of today…” becomes just more blah, blah, blah, IMHO.
You don’t have a clue as to my party affiliation, and I can only assume you make these comments to make yourself feel superior.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 9, 2014 1:39 PM
Comment #375525

You don’t have a clue as to my party affiliation, and I can only assume you make these comments to make yourself feel superior.

Rocky
Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 9, 2014 1:39 PM

Don’t be upset Rocky if the term “liberal” doesn’t apply to you. You wrote; “I’ve lived in Phoenix since 1974.” Isn’t that by your choice? I grew up in Wisconsin and in my 30’s choose to leave for warmer climes. That was my choice. I didn’t expect the weather to change to suit me.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 9, 2014 2:07 PM
Comment #375530

Royal,

Yes, I moved to Phoenix from Los Angeles 40 years ago by choice.
Please feel free to point out where I actually complained about the heat here.

I did remark that the temps here had been running up to 10 degrees above “normal” (please notice the use of quotes), and to Rhienhold’s comment;

“Who is to say we don’t want a slightly warmer planet?”

I replied;

Here in Phoenix, “not so much”.

I dared you to find someone that loves 110F for weeks on end.

How is this complaining?

The words I write mean exactly what they mean, they don’t require interpretation or spin.

I’ve been to Chicago, and St. Paul, and St. Louis in the summertime, and I would venture to guess, to the remark that they might prefer it to be warmer there, they would also say “not so much”.


Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 9, 2014 3:27 PM
Comment #375583

C&J, but that’s the issue, isn’t it? Our government is NOT giving us the information we need for healthy foods. Our government, bending to the food corporation’s will, is refusing to legislate truthful labeling of foods, their origin, their content, and unhealthy effects. Just another example of the alliance between Republicans in government and the corporations, since it is primarily Republicans who refuse to pass truth in information regulations for the food industries.

Posted by: David R. Remer at January 10, 2014 5:28 PM
Comment #375588

David

Labeling today supports my healthy lifestyle. It gives me a reasonable idea of the amount of fat, sugar and calories. I don’t find any real problem here. In fact, additional labeling might just create more confusion than enlightenment.

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