Obama wins lie of the year award

Discuss. Democrats have now won this prize two of the last three years.

Congratulations Barack Obama. You not only lied big, but you lied often.

Reminds me of an old joke.

A paratrooper is learning the business. He is nervous. The sergeant tell him not to worry. "When you jump, the shoot will open." he says, "if not, pull the reserve and you will be okay. And when you get to the ground, a truck will pick you up."

The guy jumps. The first shoot doesn't open. He pull the cord and the reserve doesn't open either. As he plummets to the ground, he say, "Damn, I bet the truck won't be there to pick me up either."

I would ask you to imagine Obama as the sergeant, but that would be unfair to the sergeant, who thought he was telling the truth. Obama lied on purpose in order to deceive people and win elections.

Posted by Christine & John at December 12, 2013 7:45 PM
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Comment #374979

C&J, the world is so much simpler when viewed thru the eyes of a conspiratist. HC is somewhat similar to immigration. Both issues are long term goals of the corpocracy as it relates to the NWO.

An amnesty of sorts will happen, it’s just which political party gets the ‘credit’ for dragging the immigration bill across the finish line. Recall that Bush came close in 2006, I believe.

Note that the dems have been able to ‘score’ with HC for the masses and, the reps could repeal or kill the ACA but, they won’t as it too, is part of the NWO, creating HC as a right of the people.

If the dems can’t get an immigration bill done then the reps will work to do so next time they have the Executive. Same with HC.

HC law will get fleshed out over the next 5 years or so, with the longer term goal of developed countries taking responsibility for the HC of developing countries.

What I’m trying to say is, it matters little as to doctors, costs, HC plans, who is lying, and so on- - -. All that will be sorted out down the road. The important thing was to secure HC for all in accordance with the NWO, IMO.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at December 12, 2013 10:22 PM
Comment #374984

Health care and the Obama lying are related but not the same. What bothers me is his great and abiding arrogance. He lied for several years, hammering home the same lie over and over again. He planned to lie and he knew that his lie would be found out. He just figured that by the time it happened, the people he screwed would be unable to do much about it. It looks like he was right. I don’t recall any other instance in our history where our president has made such an obvious and premeditated lie such a large part of his persona for so many years.

It is probable that health care passed because of this particular lie and likely that Obama would not have been elected if this one lie had been revealed broadly. This brings us to the conspiracy part. People in the media and the Democratic party knew this was a lie. Yet they covered for Obama until he was in the clear.

The problem is that given the Obama history, can we really trust anything he says?

Posted by: CJ at December 13, 2013 4:21 AM
Comment #374988

Right on, C&J. Can you imagine the peoples response if the President would have taken the bully pull-pit with ‘you won’t be able to keep your doctor with the new ACA’ and, ‘you won’t be able to keep your HC plan with the new ACA;, and so on - - -

Somebody had to tell some lies to enable HC for the masses in pursuing the NWO, IMO.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at December 13, 2013 9:21 AM
Comment #374989

I’ve been saying Democratics are liars for a long time. I should insist Stephen Daugherty and j2t2 apologize for the grief they’ve given me for it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 13, 2013 9:22 AM
Comment #374996

Oh noes, this probably means he won’t be re-elected right? Oh wait a minute never mind he’s not running for re-election is he. Politifact has made an award for something that they contribute to so that more hits can be found at their website and their advertising revenues increase. Who would have ever thought they would stoop so low? Why me of course, and you and most everyone else that has gray matter that can produce synapses. Now you might find this hard to believe but I still support President Obama and what he is attempting to accomplish and will accomplish in his final term of office. I know you think it’s because I am an Obamabot and he is my messiah and I’m just to stupid I can’t see how diabolical he is by being the most inept President we have ever had but at the same time is so super smart that he’s going to take over the world. Hey how about that budget deal passing the house? And Boehner calling out the crazies to please stop being so crazy or just at least get out of the way so governing can commence. Now if the nutso part of the Senate can just be ignored (Cruz, Rubio, Rand et al) and we can have a budget for two whole years we will see what else President Obama can accomplish, I will be applauding all the way.

Posted by: Speak4all at December 13, 2013 11:10 AM
Comment #375002

Lie of the year, who’s the council on that? Fox News? Drudge? O’Reilly? Millenials? Rove? Who? Geraldo? Miller? You have so much nothing this is all you can do. Great chess move—gulp.

OBAMACARE FOR THE LAST COTTONPICKIN’ TIME IS ONLY, ONLY, ONLY FOR THOSE ON DISABILITY. GETTTING CHECKS MONTHLY—GOT IT? NO? OKAY OBAMACARE IS OOOOOOOOONLY FOOOOOOR PEOPLE ON DIS-A-BIL-I-TY. DRINK IT IN. THIS IS ONLY FOR DISABILITY PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY____NOT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAARGHHH. THIS IS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT, EUROPE!!!!!!!!

Posted by: simpleheaded at December 13, 2013 1:50 PM
Comment #375004

A much bigger lie than weapons of mass destruction…right?

Posted by: Paul at December 13, 2013 2:44 PM
Comment #375005

Awwww imagine my disappointment when I found it was a readers poll that determined the lie of the year. Anyone could vote amongst 10 other lies and well Obama did win the honors. All but 1, bloggers as a group, of the other finalist were conservatives/repubs. So I guess that made it easy for conservatives and tougher on liberals as we had so many to choose from.

Weary just because Obama won doesn’t mean conservatives don’t lie, just look at the finalist, so no apology.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-readers-poll-results-2013/

Posted by: j2t2 at December 13, 2013 3:01 PM
Comment #375007

Remember how we needed Obamacare to help those uninsured get insurance?

A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released this week asked uninsured individuals whether or not they thought the law was a good idea. Just 24 percent said they thought it was. In contrast, half the uninsured polled said they thought it was a bad idea. As the Journal points out, that represents an 11 point drop in support for the law amongst the uninsured since September. The same poll also finds that 56 percent of the uninsured believe the law will have a negative effect on the U.S. health care system.

Let that sink in: What that means is that regardless of how bad the old system—the system that for whatever reason left them uninsured—was, a majority of people without health coverage now think that Obamacare makes it worse.

Posted by: Rhinehold at December 13, 2013 3:29 PM
Comment #375011
The main thing one learns from PolitiFact’s 2013 Lie of the Year Award is that PolitiFact is not very good at determining what does or does not constitute a lie, or a fact, at the time it’s actually utttered.

Yesterday, the fact-checking organization named President Obama’s oft-repeated promise that individuals who like their health plans can keep them under Obamacare its 2013 Lie of the Year.

Given that Obama first uttered his promise years ago, this might seem a bit late. Especially since, as PolitiFact editor Angie Holan notes in a column on the award, the organization rated that same promise “half true” in both 2009 and 2012, which Holan says means the statement was “partially correct and partially wrong.”

So it was partially true then, but it’s the Lie of the Year now? That’s quite an evolution—and one that doesn’t exactly offer a strong reason to trust the organization’s real-time fact-checking prowess.

Indeed, PolitiFact’s judgment on this particular Obama claim has actually shifted even more over the years. As The Washington Examiner’s Sean Higgins points out, PolitiFact rated Obama’s statement that “if you’ve got a health care plan that you like, you can keep it” as “true” back in 2008, when Obama was campaigning for president. The reasoning behind that call: “Obama is accurately describing his health care plan here. He advocates a program that seeks to build on the current system, rather than dismantling it and starting over.” As millions of people have already discovered, however, even building on the existing system turns out to require tearing some parts of it down.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/12/13/politifacts-lie-of-the-year-was-half-tru

Posted by: Rhinehold at December 13, 2013 3:52 PM
Comment #375023

The short history of Politfact’s lie of the year award. Seems to be a bi-partisan award.

2013: Obama’s claim that if you like your health insurance, you can keep it.

2012: Mitt Romney’s Jeeps/China ad.

2011: Democrats’ claim that the GOP was trying to “end Medicare.”

2010: The GOP refrain that Democrats were engaging in a “government takeover” on health care.

2009: Sarah Palin’s “death panel” claim.

Posted by: Rich at December 13, 2013 5:34 PM
Comment #375024

I have not seen any discussion on WB regarding the number of doctors necessary to accommodate all the expected newly insured under Medicaid.

I have read numerous article from various sources and all agree there is now, and will be a greater…shortage of medical care professionals.

Polls taken by the AMA and others in the medical field indicate that a large number of physicians will not accept new Medicaid patients because of the low reimbursement rates.

What will government do to ensure that those covered under Medicaid have access to physicians other than emergency care?

The federal government has ruled that millions more Americans must have insurance. Can the federal government rule that doctors must treat them?

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 13, 2013 5:39 PM
Comment #375026

Worse than that, Royal, what happens when there aren’t enough doctors? Conscription of high school students going into college to force those with the abilities to go into medicine? I wouldn’t put it past this government at all…

Posted by: Rhinehold at December 13, 2013 6:11 PM
Comment #375027

Well Rhinehold, tyrants always find a way to enforce their desires.

I have a hunch that if obama decreed that doctors may not turn anyone away from their practice for any reason that many libs on WB would find that acceptable.

A few simple changes in the IRS code designed to penalize physicians who will not treat those on Medicaid or Medicare would no doubt find favor among the left.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 13, 2013 6:25 PM
Comment #375028

More than likely Rhinehold, our medical care will resemble that in Great Britain. No one will be refused care, they will just have to wait five or six months to see the specialist and hope they don’t die while waiting.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 13, 2013 6:28 PM
Comment #375029

Speaks

You are right that he won. His lies got him reelected and now there is nothing that realistically can be done to change that. I suppose that is why the American people are do angry. He fooled us.

Paul

Reasonable intelligence was used.

Simple

The lie of the year award was given by the generally liberal leaning Washington Post. They gave it to Romney last year.

Posted by: CJ at December 13, 2013 6:39 PM
Comment #375031

Royal Flush,

Why would there be a doctor shortage? Medical school applications remain very high and the quality of medical school applicants remains outstanding. So, what’s wrong with the market here? Why can’t the medical community increase supply to meet demand? Is this a failure of the market? No other profession has this problem.

Posted by: Rich at December 13, 2013 7:29 PM
Comment #375032

“Conscription of high school students going into college to force those with the abilities to go into medicine?”

Nonsense, Rhinehold. There is no shortage of highly qualified college graduates applying to medical schools. There maybe a shortage of medical school slots though. Who is responsible for that? Contrary to most other professions, doctors have been very successful in limiting access to the profession.

Posted by: Rich at December 13, 2013 7:34 PM
Comment #375033

Why can’t the medical community increase supply to meet demand? Is this a failure of the market? No other profession has this problem.
Posted by: Rich at December 13, 2013 7:29 PM

Rich, I believe this is just a joke question as the answer is so obvious even for a leftie. Supply and Demand works well in a free market with free choices. Doctors are being asked to accept wage and price controls. Where has that ever worked well?

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 13, 2013 7:40 PM
Comment #375034

Rich ask this question…”There maybe a shortage of medical school slots though. Who is responsible for that?”

I know…I know…let me answer. GEORGE BUSH

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 13, 2013 7:50 PM
Comment #375035

Rich,
The AMA intentionally restricts the number of doctors in medical schools, and always has. If the supply of doctors is kept short, they can command higher wages. It is ugly, but that is how it is with the American medical profession.

RF,
There may be a temporary shortage of doctors due to the increased number of people becoming eligible for health care. Oddly enough, you did not believe it when I passed on that problem when it was originally described to me by a high-ranking government worker in SW WA. She thought it would be the only major hang-up. Don’t get too wrapped up in this though. Some of the routine responsibilities normally put on doctors can be shifted down to licensed assistants. In addition, technological back-office improvements already brought about by Obamacare are making the industry much more efficient. The reform is literally bringing the health care industry into the 21st century.

Posted by: phx8 at December 13, 2013 7:54 PM
Comment #375036

“Rich, I believe this is just a joke question as the answer is so obvious even for a leftie.”

No, Royal, it is not a joke question and it is not so obvious. When you have thousands of very qualified applicants that can’t get into medical school while there is a supposed shortage of doctors, it begs an explanation.

If there was a shortage of qualified applicants to medical school, you might have a point. But, there is not.

Posted by: Rich at December 13, 2013 8:23 PM
Comment #375037

Rich, there is a difference between qualified applicants and qualified graduates, who then complete residency, who then pick a specialty, etc. Then there are the number of doctors who refuse to take Medicare patients and another set of doctors who are refusing to take insurance at all. There are valid concerns, just poo-pooing the question doesn’t help.

In addition, technological back-office improvements already brought about by Obamacare are making the industry much more efficient.

You mean the inefficiencies that the previous government mandated efficiencies caused?

Mmm Hmmm

Posted by: Rhinehold at December 13, 2013 9:57 PM
Comment #375038
“It is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.” – Charles A. Beard
Posted by: Rhinehold at December 13, 2013 10:28 PM
Comment #375041

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/please-pray-for-me-i-am-losing-my-insurance/

In August 2013 I became very sick with what I thought was a cold. After a few days I lost vision in my left eye and I checked into the hospital. I soon found out that what I thought was a summer cold was actually Strep bacteria poisoning my blood stream. The bacteria blinded my left eye, ate a hole through my heart, caused five strokes on both sides of my brain and forced the removal of my prosthetic left knee.

Dr. Lee was the surgeon assigned to perform open heart surgery. What was originally scheduled to last four hours ended up lasting twelve. My heart was severely damaged. Dr. Lee later told me the surgery was one of the most difficult of his career. He also said I only had a few days to live without the surgery.

Thanks to the excellent insurance I carried I was able to receive life-saving medical treatment at St. Louis University.

This week I found out I am going to lose my insurance. The company that carried me is leaving the Missouri market. I will have to find something else.

I am one of the millions who will be looking for new insurance. God willing, I will be able to keep my doctors at St. Louis University. I trust them. They saved my life. Please pray for me and the millions of working Americans who are going through this same ordeal.

Why is our government doing this to us?

Posted by: Rhinehold at December 13, 2013 10:38 PM
Comment #375042

Rhinehold regarding the Hoft propaganda piece, what insurance company pulled out of the market and why?

He leaves out pertinent information and puts these blog posts up on these sites just like a chain email telling us the United Nations is coming for our guns.

You are smarter than that, why spread the BS?

http://americanlibertypac.com/2013/12/missouri-man-battling-strep-bacterial-infection-loses-health-insurance-because-of-obamacare/

Posted by: j2t2 at December 14, 2013 11:02 AM
Comment #375049

Why is our government doing this to us?

Posted by: Rhinehold at December 13, 2013 10:38 PM

That is an excellent question Rhinehold. I am sure the complete answer is complicated and convoluted.

I believe the current power in Washington is intent upon fulfilling obama’s publicly stated desire for income equality. It appears to me that the left intends to achieve this goal without regard for individual initiative or the lack thereof.

If any man has more than his neighbor it is the intention of the left to correct this with legislation. We know how attractive the idea of something-for-nothing is to many citizens. Just the prospect of sale prices on Black Friday brings out the craziness of many people who willingly abuse other shoppers to get something of value for less cost to them.

Government has spent over $60 Trillion over many decades to lift people out of poverty and has only succeeded in maintaining the status quo. The poverty rate never seems to go down. This is not an accident but achieved by design.

Government is nearing the end of its ability to run up ever more debt and is now obtaining anti-poverty funds from Americans who still have more wealth than government believes they should be allowed to keep.

Our current government is now engaged in a war against individual success. Americans who still value independence, freedom, and liberty are all in danger of becoming extinct. We will fight back and is the major reason we do not wish to become unarmed.

Millions of Americans are now feeling the effect of tyrannical government with the negative impact of obamacare in their own life. It is no longer just their neighbors problem…it is theirs also.

Tyranny will be contained by its own excess. We are approaching a critical mass of Americans who are now beginning to understand its horrible impact upon their lives.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 14, 2013 3:36 PM
Comment #375050

Royal Flush,

Do you realize who funds the education of doctors? Well, all post graduate medical education (GME) required for license is funded by Medicare, VA, Dept. of Defense, Medicaid and state contributions. That exceeds 15 billion dollars per year paid by the government. The salaries of interns, residents, supervising physicians and related training costs are picked up by the taxpayer. We should understand that the taxpayer is funding the majority of medical physician education.

Now, you lament the position of doctors who have their individual initiative and freedom threatened by the tyrannical Obamacare which expands the number covered by low reimbursement Medicaid and newly insured patients.

Excuse me for not shedding crocodile tears. The majority of their training was funded by the very programs that they now would like to reject.

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