Obama down, out?

Obama had such promise. He started with such a reservoir of good will and screwed it up. He promised to bring the country together, and then just divided us apart. He speaks well and looks good. If we needed a president on TV, it is Barack Obama. In reality, no so much.

Here is a good reference article.

There is rarely a finish worthy of the start, but this takes the cake. And the legacy thing? Forget about it. The legacy will be fixing what Obama broke.

Of course, I guess he did kind of unite us. A growing majority dislikes Obama.

Posted by Christine & John at November 14, 2013 3:18 AM
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He’s 75-15 among blacks; that seems to be his biggest block of support. It would be interesting to see Clinton’s 1993-1994 numbers for comparison. They keep comparing Obama to GWB but GWB didn’t have a built in block of support like Obama has.

Posted by: George in SC at November 14, 2013 6:20 AM
Comment #374147

Found it. Clinton’s support among blacks was 71-44 at it’s lowest using Gallup. African Americans are least elastic demographic out there in terms of voting Democratic.

Posted by: George in SC at November 14, 2013 9:22 AM
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Interesting article and no doubt true. If the Democrats weren’t at risk of losing 2014, they certainly wouldn’t be doing an about face. The Alaska Senator Mark Begich was on Fox News this morning. He was almost in a state of panic trying to explain how against Obama he happened to be. He said him, Landrieu of LA, and others were not waiting for Obama’s fix. They are coming out immediately with a Bill to allow people to keep their insurance. It will be interesting to see what Reid does. Of course Begich’s fix is too little too late. The Insurance companies have already cancelled the policies. Who knows what would be involved in rewriting them and who knows the legality of doing it. I personally think it’s just a big deal done to show the voters their concern.

As far as Obama’s problems, I will tell you the main reason for the turn around. We are now seeing Democrats openly criticize Obama; something that would never have been done in the past 5 years. When the right criticized Obama…immediately it was called racism. The media, who were more than willing defend Obama, would also jump on the bandwagon criticizing Republicans as racists. But since there is a general movement to criticize Obama…the charges of racism are now dismissed. Therefore, since the left does not consider speaking out against Obama as racism, it has opened he floodgates. Obama has become fair game.

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 14, 2013 10:06 AM
Comment #374153

Uh huh.

In the swing state of Virginia, Democrats won all five of the highest seats in state government for the time in four decades.

Posted by: phx8 at November 14, 2013 11:27 AM
Comment #374154

Obama does not need to be considered “fair game” that is the stupid rationality that has got us to where we as a country are today. President Obama is our president for the next 3 years and will not run for re-election. It would be wise to realize this and stop going after him as “fair game” and instead try to legislate in a thoughtful manner to bring about the best outcomes for our country. We all know that after 5 years of unsuccessful attempts to paint our sitting President as the worst, it will not be easy for those that chose to do that to move on. But that is what should happen to get to the next level of thoughtful governance that is necessary today.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 14, 2013 11:27 AM
Comment #374155

But why did Democrats win all five seats for the first time in over forty years?

The Democratic candidates were liberal, but unexceptional. The Republican candidates were chosen by convention instead of primaries, in order to assure the most conservative candidates represented the party. How could it possibly go wrong?

The telling statistic came among single women. The Democrats won that demographic by a 42% spread.

Meanwhile, conservatives are up in arms over the provision of the ACA which gives women birth control at little or no cost. In a previous thread, we have PH stating that “Obama promoting sexual promiscuity among the younger generation,” and RF saying “The message seems to be…have sex and drink at the expense of someone else.” This is representative of the conservative mind set. On the national state, Limbaugh went on an epic rant against “promiscuous millenials.” And worse. Anyway, railing against birth control, and concluding women are promiscuous because they use birth control pills may be a truly held belief among conservatives, but you know what?

It makes women really, really hate you.

This shows up at the polls. It shows up in votes. It shows up in reality.

So if you are entertaining yourself with the thought that approval ratings for Obama mean anything of significance, dream on. The Landrieu bill for grandfathering insurance policies will take care of that problem, and Obama issued an executive level fix this morning which states can implement at their own level, at the discretion of the state insurance commissioner. Problem solved. That was easy.

And refusing to implement the fix makes the insurance companies and the GOP look like the bad guys. Limbaugh thinks this was a trap, but I do not think it was intentional. I think the GOP fights anything and everything Obama favors, regardless of the issue, and the result is that the battles are chosen reflexively, but not wisely.

But what else is new? There is a good reason Democrats won all five of the top seats in the swing state of Virginia, despite it being an off year during the second term of the president.

But do go on. Don’t stop now. Keep saying Obama lied, and health care reform is a disaster. Howl at the moon. Let’s see how this works out, shall we?

Posted by: phx8 at November 14, 2013 11:44 AM
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I hope the Begich and Landreiu efforts are for naught. The cancellation of those policies is a done deal and cannot be revived. The bills that are now going to flood the Congress are nothing but papp. They will fix nothing but their possible re-elections.

The insurance companies that have cancelled thse policies where ongoing critical care is involved should step forward and offer a policy that is identical to those cancelled. This would insure the continued coverage of those criticaly in need.

Obama has screwed the pooch. This liar in chief has made a mockery of public service, the presidency, and American ideals.

The insurance companies are also complicent in this fiasco of Obama’s death watch. Those aforementioned plans of two senators will not do the job. If they were that serious about their self-serving bills, they should have been offered years ago.

Those two senators and many more should be booted from office. The House of Reps also has more than a few that should be sent packing. They should get only a knapsack and a stick to carry their heavy load to their local utopia.

This latest bunch of crap from Congress and the President are only a tip of the iceberg that involves corruption, crime and crap from those in WDC. Of course they practice those same things back home. Just more of the same.

If many of us had practiced the deeds that are normal daily occurence in Washington, DC (Willing Department of Corruption), we would be serving long term sentences to life in a penal institution near you.

One of the many lies to come out of this admin. is those tax cuts. Those never happened. Instead we are now going to have to pay some company of corrupters a larger than normal charge to institute a program they new would not work and then pay them again to fix a broken program.

If I was building an automobile and paraded the car as the latest greatest to be released on a date near at hand and when the car was displayed it was viewed as something other than a functining auto. It did not have wheels, engine, trunk, hood, only one door, no steering wheel, only the rear window and other missing items, this is what we are getting with ACA. And BTW there would be no insurance available to cover this so called automobile.

As one politician in one of the hearings said that is is an insult to a train wreck.

It is my opinion that the Federal Government (Fraud Giveaways) should have nothing to do with Insurance.

Now to those who want to jump all over me as being forked-tongued, the plans that we Americans have paid into should be continued.

This organizer should be sent post-haste back to the south side of Chicago, ASAP.

Posted by: tom humes at November 14, 2013 11:53 AM
Comment #374157

Years ago I did programming using code. The code we used was binary and hexadecimal. I did not program to the level that these bozos are doing. But, this should have been done on a piecemeal level.

When the word “code” is used, I am suggesting they are using macros to build their system. But when you have 16 companies putting together 16 macros and trying to fit them together, it is like taking 16 pieces of a jigsaw puzzle and mixthem together with 16 jigsaw puzzles and trying to get a finished puzzled that resembles something. But this is WDC and they do things “their way”.

FACTS (Fraud and Corruption=Totalitarian Systems)

Posted by: tom humes at November 14, 2013 12:01 PM
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JFK had his Bay of Pigs, LBJ had his Viet Nam, Reagan had his Contras and arms for hostages, Bush 1 had his taxes, Bush 2 had, well the list is too long to go into. You are right, the rollout of the website portal of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was a debacle. But, it is being fixed, even as patients and their families are receiving the protections promised, and I know first hand that thousands where my wife works are seeing the premium increases halted for the first time in many years.

It is the law, and it will support and assist far more Americans than it will fail to support and assist. That is an inevitability, whether Republicans and Libertarians can get comfortable with that reality, is unlikely, despite millions of Republicans finding much lower premiums and access hurdles to health insurance than ever before.

There is still some to do to make the law better, but, that would require the assistance of Republicans in Congress and that doesn’t seem likely in the foreseeable future.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 14, 2013 12:47 PM
Comment #374160

President Obama will not be sent back anywhere. We know there are subversive elements among our citizens that want to hate government and do everything in their power to destroy what has taken so long to build. They will not succeed. Strange how someone who never wrote code to the level that is being attempted can turn around and call them “bozos” for trying. Keep all of the piss and vinegar you bring to this site to yourself.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 14, 2013 12:50 PM
Comment #374161

CJ, btw, I want to thank you and all Republican states which haven’t expanded their Medicaid programs. The end result will be the revenues from those signed up for Obamacare without the expenses of expanded Medicaid in all those states run by Republican governors or State Houses. As a government program, Republicans are insuring ObamaCare is a financial success. Thanks.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 14, 2013 12:51 PM
Comment #374163

Let me repeat the comments I made to speaks in the blue column:

The law is unsustainable; it cannot work unless all Americans sign up through the law. This clearly is not going to happen. The younger millennials will not sign up for obamacare ins. They will pay the tax or most likely they will not pay the tax; simply because the IRS does not have the authority to collect the tax.

There are a 16 dem Senators and numerous House reps that are looking at the very likely possibility of losing their seats. Hence their panic. When the employer mandate kicks in in 2015, the number of unsatisfied Americans could reach as many as 1/3 to 1/2 of the American people. Why do you think Obama was talking smack on the news just an hour ago. He knows there’s a problem, and the dems have pushed him to do something/anything.

Speaks said, and phx8 intimated that Obama, by executive order can change the law, “Obama issued an executive level fix this morning which states can implement at their own level.”

“Democratic legislators while expressing some need for this work to be done, do not hold the belief that the law is unable to be tweaked to gain the desired effects as has been expressed time and again by the opponents of the law.”

It is a law; it has been passed by the congress and signed by the president. How do you tweak a law? If laws are amended, they must go back to the congress and be voted on. Tweaking a law by executive order is unconstitutional. This law is unfixable and is destined to collapse.

Obama has issued an executive order requiring ins companies to do what??? To re-issue cancelled policies? To issue new policies that do not meet the ACA law requirements??? Is that legal? What Obama has tried to do with the executive order is blame the ins companies and trying to kick the can beyond the 2014 elections.

I don’t believe Obama has the constitutional authority to do any of the things he is doing. There was an ACA law written and signed and Obama has given waivers, postponed taxes, exempted some people, and now proclaims what the ins companies are to do. What if the ins companies say to Obama “screw you”; what will Obama do then?

This law is untweakable, and is destined to collapse.

Posted by: DSP2195 at November 14, 2013 1:12 PM
Comment #374164

Out? Come on C&J, you know better than that.

The President of the United States lied to the American people. He is using government to dictate and control how individuals behave and how private business operates. He took a system that the VAST majority were satisfied with and replaced it with a system to benefit only the minority.

Yet his blind devoted followers are talking about state elections, making unsubstantiated claims of how great everything will be in the future, and claiming some crazy-ass conspiracy of some kind of submersive elements hating government.

If the left and its media can, this will be all but forgoten by the time the next liberal shutdown showdown comes around.

Posted by: kctim at November 14, 2013 1:20 PM
Comment #374166
we have PH stating that “Obama promoting sexual promiscuity among the younger generation,”

phx8, I gave the link to Obama’s TV adds; did you come to a different conclusion? If you did, I would like to hear it.

Charles Krauthammer, on the O’Reilly Show last night said, Obamacare is imploding, Obama’s presidency is imploding, and Liberalism in America is Imploding”

The Democrats are in complete panic. They are now saying the exact same things Cruz and Lee were saying in the Senate 1 month ago.

One more thing; we have a 12 point article by Ezra Klein, writer for the Washington Post. He is a liberal and was in full support of Obamacare:

Ezra Klein is a columnist at the Washington Post, as well as a contributor to MSNBC. His work focuses on domestic and economic policymaking, as well as the political system that’s constantly screwing it up. He’s appeared on The Rachel Maddow Show, Charlie Rose, Real Time with Bill Maher, The McLaughlin Report, the Colbert Report, and many more. He really likes graphs.

Now that we have his credentials established, here is the title of his article:

Obamacare is in much more trouble than it was one week ago

It basically boils down to this:


Posted by: Political Hostage at November 14, 2013 2:08 PM
Comment #374167

The left has been salivating at the prospect of a great division within the Republican Party. Well it seems that the RINO’s are making the move to the right:

After repeatedly criticizing senators such as Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Mike Lee (R-Utah) over their crusade to defund Obamacare, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called for the “total repeal” of the Affordable Care Act on Wednesday. It’s a quick turnaround after the longtime senator, in September, proclaimed that it was “not rational” to think Obamacare could be defunded or repealed.

McCain outlined his “solution” during an interview with Greta Van Susteren, which culminated in an admission that the law should be repealed completely.

“The solution is, first of all, to let people keep their insurance if they want to,” he said. “Or at least reinstate them.”

He continued: “Second of all, let the insurance companies give a menu of whatever they want to provide. Third of all, medical savings account. Fourth of all, medical malpractice reform. Let people go across state lines to, in order to, if they can get a better insurance policy in another state. And remove this whole tax incentive for employers to provide employees health insurance.”


Posted by: Political Hostage at November 14, 2013 2:28 PM
Comment #374169

Let’s add some reality to Obamacare.

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 14, 2013 2:38 PM
Comment #374170

You improve (tweak) a law through the legislative process. Please purchase a good book on Civics and Government and try to comprehend that exactly what I was referring to is the process of using the legislative assembly to improve an existing law.

Well since you don’t believe that President Obama has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing then I guess we will just shut the whole thing down like you recommend, hah fat chance! There was another commenter in a different thread who recently suggested impeachment. I will say again if there were any valid arguments in support of impeachment there would be enough impeachment papers being filed in Congress to cover all of Washington DC.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 14, 2013 2:40 PM
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DSP seems to have hit the nail on the head:

What if the ins companies say to Obama “screw you”; what will Obama do then?
A panicked and unusually contrite Barack Obama took to the White House podium Thursday to tell tens of millions of Americans they can ignore all those cancellation letters and keep their health plans after all.

Setting aside the details of how and if that can actually happen for now, Obama’s attempt to put a band-aid on an open-chest wound has done little to put out the ObamaCare fire.

Everyone from Nancy Pelosi – who says House Democrats have a plan of their own to fix ObamaCare – to former Democrat presidential candidate Howard Dean – who questions Obama’s legal authority to unilaterally modify a law passed by Congress – is up in arms.

And that’s just the Democrats.

Someone else who isn’t too happy with Barack Obama right now is the health insurance industry, who is already attacking the White House plan:

“This doesn’t change anything other than force insurers to be the political flack jackets for the administration,” said an industry insider. “So now when we don’t offer these policies the White House can say it’s the insurers doing this and not being flexible.”

Geez, the insurance industry’s copy of “Barack Obama: How to Throw Anyone and Everyone Under the Bus at a Moment’s Notice” must have gotten lost in the mail.

The toothpaste is out of the ObamaCare tube, America. It’s only going to get “better.”


Posted by: Political Hostage at November 14, 2013 2:45 PM
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Speaks said:

“You improve (tweak) a law through the legislative process. Please purchase a good book on Civics and Government and try to comprehend that exactly what I was referring to is the process of using the legislative assembly to improve an existing law.”

And phx8 said:

“The Landrieu bill for grandfathering insurance policies will take care of that problem, and Obama issued an executive level fix this morning which states can implement at their own level, at the discretion of the state insurance commissioner. Problem solved. That was easy.”

You both seem to imply that Obama can tweak the law by executive order. I have no idea why speaks is recommending a book on Civics and Government; I know perfectly well that any tweaks to the law requires legislative action. But Obama will NEVER go to the Congress to tweak the law. And you know why.

As for phx8’s “easy fix”, not happening. Landrieu’s bill would gut obamacare.

Do you guys on the left realize that ins companies offering individual insurance policies have pulled out of states. CA has over 1 million who have had the individual policies cancelled, and these same ins companies have pulled out of CA. What happens now?

Posted by: DSP2195 at November 14, 2013 3:02 PM
Comment #374175
And worse. Anyway, railing against birth control, and concluding women are promiscuous because they use birth control pills may be a truly held belief among conservatives, but you know what?

It makes women really, really hate you.

I love how the left just recreate’s someone else’s argument to say something that they didn’t say…

The Republicans are not upset about women using birth control, they are upset about being forced to pay for someone else’s birth control. Or a myriad of other things.

You can say that this is a ‘war on women’ all you want, because the fantasy you create hits women in a fear center. You are playing on them and using them for political purposes (much like the left does with other minorities), unfortunately the majority of them don’t figure this out and see the left for what they really are…

Of course, your comments also show that you haven’t seen the ads and don’t know what the original poster was talking about, you just saw your chance to incite your base, instill your fear and get your votes…

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 14, 2013 3:32 PM
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OH, and btw:

A day after releasing brutal poll numbers for President Barack Obama, Quinnipiac University released another poll with very bad news for congressional Democrats.

A little more than a month after the polling firm found Democrats with a huge 9-point advantage (43/34) just before the tumultuous government shutdown, Republicans have gained ground and are now tied (39/39) in the generic congressional ballot.

Quinnipiac saw big swing from independent voters compared to the poll they released on October 1. The latest poll found Republicans with an 11-point advantage (37/26) over Democrats with independents. In October, the Democrats had a 2-point lead (32/30) over Republicans with this important voting bloc.

That’s a 13 point swing with independents in a month and a half…

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 14, 2013 3:46 PM
Comment #374179

C/J, the trend lines shown in the chart…if it were a stock or index chart…would definitely be a Bear Market and call for selling obama stock.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 14, 2013 3:59 PM
Comment #374181

phx8 writes; “And refusing to implement the fix makes the insurance companies and the GOP look like the bad guys.”

The key word here is “makes”. The liberals are all about perception rather than reality.

The need for a “fix” demonstrably means that something was in error or not working. Liberals would have us ignore the genesis of the problem, and who is responsible, and look ahead to the next person or group to place the blame upon. phx8 sees only good guys and “bad guys”. However, those he looks upon as the good guys did the bad legislating.

I am waiting for some enlightened liberal to tell us that the problems with the ACA belong on the shoulders of GWB.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 14, 2013 4:12 PM
Comment #374182

Curious, phx8, weren’t the Republicans the ones who were calling for a delay in implementation because of this very issue? Businesses got a 1 year delay, but individuals were told no when Republicans pressed for one, NOW they want to ‘fix’ it after calling the Republicans so many awful names over warning of this very eventuality?

What’s worse, the administration now wants to ‘fix’ something they KNEW was going to happen. In other words, they thought they would be able to get away with it but it was worse, politically, than they thought. And their fixes don’t actually fix anything, just delay the problem for a small period of time (until after next year’s elections)…

And people are going to not catch on to this because the Democrats’ only weapon is demonization of their single opponent (made possible by manipulating voter laws and debate requirements to prevent any other opposition than the one they choose).


Posted by: Rhinehold at November 14, 2013 4:16 PM
Comment #374183

As for those idiotic ads?

Is massive stupidity covered under Obamacare? What about sexual promiscuity and heavy drinking? Those are some of the questions raised by a controversial ad campaign that aims to encourage younger Americans to sign up for health-insurance plans created by the Affordable Care Act.

But there’s a deeper issue that the new “Got Insurance?” campaign ignores completely: Why should young and relatively poor people be forced to sign up for insurance that charges them above-market rates to subsidize rates for old and relatively wealthy people?

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 14, 2013 4:18 PM
Comment #374184

I say again President Obama will serve out the second term of his presidency and is not running for re-election. Although if he could and would, I would vote for him again when the time came and I decided he had the right ideas. The wet dream of the right wing (proving Obama is bad) did not happen. The IRS scandal, BENGHAZI!!!, the NSA spying revelations, his re-election bid failing, the Obamacare roll out disaster, misuse of executive orders have all been ginned up by the right wing hate machine. Not that any of those don’t deserve the scrutiny that they get and will get but none of them have or seem to indicate will produce the result that is so desired by the right wing hate machine. Time to give it up and start thinking about what’s best for this country (and I don’t mean the removal of President Obama from office).

Posted by: Speak4all at November 14, 2013 4:23 PM
Comment #374185

Tom writes; “The insurance companies that have cancelled thse policies where ongoing critical care is involved should step forward and offer a policy that is identical to those cancelled. This would insure the continued coverage of those criticaly in need.”

Good grief Tom…think this through. I admire your compassion but not your good sense. Why should the burden land on the shoulders of business to rescue the failed obamacare? Keeping the high expense business without the low expense business makes no sense and leads to bankruptcy.

Remer gives us a brief outline of presidential failures but doesn’t mention the Nixon near impeachment and the Clinton impeachment. I wonder why. Too close to home perhaps.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 14, 2013 4:35 PM
Comment #374187

The troll said:

The IRS scandal, BENGHAZI!!!, the NSA spying revelations

An ongoing investigation being blocked by an administration’s attempts to block the paper trail and witnesses. Ho-hum; another day in the Obama WH spin machine.

Re/Obama’s impeachment; there is more than enough evidence of Lies, High Crimes, and Misdemeanors, but the American people don’t have the stomach for another impeachment trail. Oh…can you imagine the low-information Rodney king riots. That would give Obama just what he wants…the chance to declare martial law and send all those armed brown shirts into the streets.

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 14, 2013 5:06 PM
Comment #374188

Speaks, good grief…

IRS Scandal didn’t come from haters it came from a planted question in an IRS press conference. Benghazi happened, a U.S. Embassador was killed, and obviously false talking points were circulated. Snowden leaked the NSA stuff. These are not actions by a vast right wing conspiracy to take Obama down. Did opponents of the President play politics with these issues? You bet and what’s new, but are you going to seriously sit there and say that those are not issues worth some attention?

The Obamacare rollout disaster is not just another right wing pipe dream scandal, it’s not just an IT “glitch” and it doesn’t just impact 1-2% of the population. My employer completely re-did our insurance choices this year, and if I would have kept my 2013 plan I would have had to pay about $2500 more in 2014. My employer is not the only one who made substantial changes as a result of the ACA and “if you liked your plan you can keep it” wasn’t just a mis-statement(over and over and over). The national polling that CJ posted relects that Obama’s poor performance is not a minority view and no amount of Fox News broadcssting can be blamed for its results.

This is bad and blaming right wing nuts, George Bush, or Fox ain’t going to cut it anymore. In our history when times are bad we’ve had a leader to step up and lead. Obama isn’t that guy. Sorry he just isn’t and he never has been in his whole life. We’ve have twice elected a person who is not up to the task of leading and we are paying the price. He can blame his enemies, you can blame wing nuts, and everybody can blame everyone else. Obama is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. All of this falls on him.

Posted by: George in SC at November 14, 2013 5:15 PM
Comment #374190

I hope this is not the case but it may very well be the case that the American economy cannot support a fully insured population at today’s health care costs.

The premise of Obamacare and Romneycare is that if everybody participated in the private insurance market that it would be possible to spread risk and provide coverage to those with pre-existing conditions, etc. at an affordable rate. The younger and healthier would pay a bit more but it would allow the older and those with pre-existing conditions an opportunity to gain coverage.

If the markets cannot achieve that goal, even with government subsidy for many and tax consequences, then we are faced with a real problem. It is a problem that conservative critics of Obamacare should carefully consider. How are we as a nation going to finance health care for our citizens?

This problem isn’t unique to the US. What appears to be unique is our inability to solve it. It is sad and, quite frankly, scary.

Let me ask one question. What advanced industrial nation has more MRI/CT machines per capita, more doctor visits per year, more hospital days, much longer longevity and a generally healthier population than the US at a fraction of the cost? How does that country achieve universal health care while maintaining a private delivery and insurance system. It is a simple answer employed by a number of countries.

Posted by: Rich at November 14, 2013 5:29 PM
Comment #374191

Look let’s let all of the right wing hate machine ginned up scandals run their course. I don’t have a problem with that and no I don’t think they are invalid and yes I do believe that they will get the scrutiny they deserve and yes there will be implications if there is any impropriety proven. I don’t deny the existence of the scandals or their validity, just the over zealous nature of trying to prove President Obama’s totally at fault for all of them. Just give it a break with the hate, hate, hate and let our legislative processes play out. Now that you bring up George Bush I recall a not so long ago interview he gave and was asked was there anything he did wrong. While I do not blame everything for George Bush and I do believe he had a terrifyingly difficult job to do, I do not think it was right for him to give his famous shoulder shrug and shake his head no and say something like “not that I can think of”, he could have at least manned up about something. If you are so dead set with ending President Obama’s presidency contact your representatives and ask them to start the impeachment process but don’t expect much for your time and effort but a cursory “We are looking into that” from them.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 14, 2013 5:36 PM
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“President Barack Obama said Thursday he did not realize the full extent of HealthCare.gov’s problems until after its launch.

“I was not informed directly that the website wasn’t working the way it was supposed to,” he said in the White House briefing room.”

I am really starting to believe that Obama is stupid.

I am a fan of Anthony Hopkins. He always plays really smart people in the movies. Once I saw him in real life. He is not so smart as he seems on TV. This is Obama.

Posted by: CJ at November 14, 2013 5:57 PM
Comment #374197

Just out of curiosity, who is the right wing hate machine, that is spoken of? Are we talking about the media? The media has been in Obama’s pocket until they smelled blood and Bill Clinton gave the okay to go after Obama. Are we talking about the Republican politicians? The trolls say they have the right to conduct investigations. Are we talking about conservative talk radio? How are they different from liberal talk radio? Just who is this right wing hate machine? I have heard Obama and his administration talk about the right wing haters, but where do they get the term? Are they talking about anyone who disagrees with Obama being a right wing hate machine? Now the big question is, do the trolls just parrot the comments made by the Obama machine? Do the trolls say “right wing hate machine” simply because the Obama administration says “right wing hate machine”?

And the really big question is; is this just another attempt to use Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” to attempt to shut up the opposition through intimidation? So many questions and so few answers.

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 14, 2013 6:23 PM
Comment #374200

Obama: “It’s on Me.”

I’m in violent agreement…


Posted by: George in SC at November 14, 2013 7:59 PM
Comment #374201

I’d like to know why Medicaid and Medicare aren’t taking care of the poor and the elderly like they say it’s supposed to.

Are Medicaid and Medicare failures? If not, why do we need Obamacare?

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 14, 2013 8:14 PM
Comment #374202

Signing up for the ACA insurance. It is really easy!

I called Cover Oregon, the OR state insurance exchange. Someone picked up the phone immediately, even though it was 4:00 in the afternoon. She answered my questions, and because I do not qualify for any subsidies, it turns out the site simply serves as a one-stop shopping mart. I can go directly through the insurer I chose.

The result? I am going with Moda Health and their bronze plan. For @ $606/month, or $7272/year, my wife and I will receive coverage, including free preventative procedures (which is important to me and my wife). There will be a deductible of $5000 and a maximum out-of-pocket of $6350.

The most interesting aspect of this was that the process I went through will be very similar to many people- whether they receive subsidies or not, most will go with the least expensive insurance. No doubt some will choose an insurer due to familiarity, and others will opt for low deductibles if they are sick, but most will do what I did.

And what this means is that the state exchanges, which list the quotes of different insurers side by side, will force insurance prices to drop considerably in 2015. Private health insurers which fail to offer competitive bids will be pushed out of business by the competition. The low bids will win the lion’s share of the business. It is that simple.

Interesting process.

Don’t listen to all the baloney out there. And you don’t have to take my word for it. Check for yourself. It is what it is.

This system will work just fine.

Posted by: phx8 at November 14, 2013 8:29 PM
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I’m sure I can speak for everyone when I say how happy we are for you px.

Since you didn’t receive a subsidy, and since you’re on the cheapest Bronze plan; how much did you save over your cancelled plan? How much did you save on your deductible? By the way, are you a young and healthy couple or old and sick? And did they also guarantee that your private information will be protected? Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 14, 2013 9:25 PM
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My wife & I are both 56 and in good health, and non-smokers. We were previously uninsured. When we both lost our jobs a few years ago, we eventually let our insurance lapse because COBRA was outrageously expensive. Twice I looked into insurance while uninsured. Once, I was told I would be refused insurance due to a pre-existing condition- a plate and six screws in my ankle- and that is totally ridiculous. This morning, I did 5 miles on a Stairmaster in 51 minutes after a full session of weights and cycling. A similar situation affected my wife and a problem with her hip. Another time I looked into insurance while working part-time. The insurance was essentially cheap junk insurance, and not even worth bothering with it. Well, that was the old system. Good riddance.

There is no privacy issue. The state exchange essentially provided nothing more than a one-stop shopping site for comparing rates. From the site, I obtained a phone number and talked with a navigator for a few minutes. She directed me to simply apply with whatever provider I chose, and the phone numbers were available on the site. In a nutshell, the state insurance exchange only becomes involved if there are subsidies, and as I said, that does not apply for me. I have to provide the same information to the private insurer that I used to provide before health care reform. Nothing really changed, except that pre-existing conditions are not a factor, so there is nothing complicated about the approval process.

Being healthy, I chose a plan with a high deductible because this insurance is basically catastrophic insurance for us, with preventative medicine also available. The price was good.

This is easy. I’ve never seen so much noise and hand-wringing over something so simple.

Posted by: phx8 at November 14, 2013 10:32 PM
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px, Obama has a web site where you can tell about your great experience with Obamacare. You need to send in your info, and the next time Obama or Sibelius go on TV to explain what is happening…they may read your experience. And you would be famous.

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 14, 2013 10:55 PM
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Sheesh. It’s just insurance. I’m just glad to be able to obtain something at a reasonable price that isn’t a total rip-off.

Posted by: phx8 at November 14, 2013 11:55 PM
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There is no privacy issue.



In a September 3 memo from Tony Trenkle—the memo that Chao never received—CMS officials disclosed that “the threat and risk potential is limitless” from a redacted security issue, and that “non-compliance with…CMS Minimum Security Requirements (CMSR) without continuous monitoring presents an unacceptable risk.”

Elsewhere, the memo describes “the possibility that the [Obamacare exchange] security controls are ineffective. Ineffective controls do not appropriately protect the confidentiality, integrity, and availability of data and present a risk to the CMS enterprise.” Other problems “can lead to controls not being appropriately implemented and [to] a lack of accountability.”

I’d be concerned if it were me… Especially considering that we’ve learned that the website has been attacked over a dozen times by hackers since it was brought up.

Worse yet, you can’t even delete your information from the system once you enter it in, even if you send a certified letter to the Director of Health and Human Services. One such request was denied even after learning that the requestor’s information was viewed by another user of the site accidentally.

How people can be so cavalier with their information, including SSN, is beyond me…

For @ $606/month, or $7272/year, my wife and I will receive coverage, including free preventative procedures (which is important to me and my wife). There will be a deductible of $5000 and a maximum out-of-pocket of $6350.

That’s actually not that great, I’m doing mine re-enrollment now for my current insurance and it is about half that price and has a $1000 family deductible with a lower maximum out-of-pocket…

Of course, your price is lower than it should be because the younger people in the country who typically can’t afford higher insurance are now being forced to pay more for you.

I’m glad that knowing that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, better for you to have it easier even if it is on the backs others through coercion…

My guess is, personally, that if the president decides that everyone needs to get a stick put in their eye, you’ll commend him on how well the process worked and how easy the stick went in with little pain at all. And then you would ridicule anyone who didn’t want to have their eye poked with a stick…

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 15, 2013 1:03 AM
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Posted by: Political Hostage at November 15, 2013 1:18 AM
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PH, for $7k/year I wouldn’t say that you are getting “free” preventive procedures.

Your numbers are about exactly where I predicted this would come in back in 2009/2010. Again it comes back to the normative argument of “affordable.” You believe that $600/mo is affordable (so do I) but most of the folks who supported this I believe thought “affordable” meant something else.

Don’t forget to get the HSA. It’s a great deal as long as you are under Medicare age.

Posted by: George in SC at November 15, 2013 7:33 AM
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George in SC, I assume you are talking to phx8.

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 15, 2013 9:10 AM
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Yeh sorry about that. Where in SC are you? I’m from Columbia….

Posted by: George in SC at November 15, 2013 9:18 AM
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phx8 thanks for sharing your information. Unlike you I had to use healthcare.gov and got good results the first week it was up. I found the information I wanted and obtained a phone number to be used to contact the insurance company that my wife had asked me to find. She has subsequently enrolled in the insurance offering from her work as the cost of the insurance did not make sense for her to drop. She was rather disappointed as she has not liked the previous coverage however because they made changes (much lower deductible, no co-pays for doctor visits unless it’s a specialist) she has decided to stick with them even though the premium she pays went from $90 a month to $180. We both expect changes in the future to how insurance companies operate and we are hopeful it will be for the better. All of my insurance is provided through my work at no cost to me. Thanks again for sharing your experience and good luck with that new business.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 15, 2013 9:57 AM
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What other advanced industrial nation has 300+ million people who are protected by a Constitution and live under a government such as ours? None.
What other advanced industrial nation was founded on and has the history of individualism that we do? None.
You can’t just change or get rid of those two things over the course of just a few decades.

How does that country achieve universal health care while maintaining a private delivery and insurance system?
Smaller population. Fewer individual rights. Smaller local governments with less power. Alot stronger centralized government. Higher taxes. But most importantly, ALOT more people who desire and are willing to live under such a system.

How are we as a nation going to finance health care for our citizens? Personally, I favor the Constitutional way: Individually and with less government interference. Seeing how that’s no longer a valid option, maybe keep going on the state level like Mass. had done?
What will happen though, is the ACA will not deliver as promised, no surprise there, but it will be so entangled in our lives that will cause our Reps to constantly try ‘tweaks’ that will never work. Taxes will rise higher and higher. The VAST majority satisfied with our previous system will become the minority, replaced by a small majority wanting financial relief and finally agreeing to national healthcare.


Posted by: kctim at November 15, 2013 10:39 AM
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What’s depressing kctim is that we refuse to learn from other advanced capitalist and democratic industrial nations. Giving them a huge competitive advantage is plain foolish.

Does this country have an economic death wish?

Posted by: Rich at November 15, 2013 6:47 PM
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