Women earned majority of doctoral degrees in 2012 for 4th straight year, and outnumber men in grad school 141 to 100

Why don’t we just quit with the women suffering discrimination crap. Scrap all those affirmative action and gender programs. Declare victory and be done with it.

In fact, it looks like the war against men and boys is in full swing.

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The fact is that the rights revolutions of the 1960s did their work. We can stand down on them.

Posted by Christine & John at October 2, 2013 12:05 AM
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Comment #371884

Women are still less likely to graduate from STEM programs. They are also less likely to ascend to the highest paying jobs than their male peers. Until that happens, we cannot “stand down”.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2013 11:45 AM
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Stop treating yourselves like ****ing victims. It’s pathetic. There is documentable evidence of the disparity, and a couple of countervailing statistics doesn’t constitute grounds for declaring the problem solved.

Additionally, I believe that there are some problems in human behavior that don’t just go away. There are times in history when women, minorities both racial and religious go from enjoying tolerance to being subject to new restrictions, new prejudice, new discriminations.

What should be there is a permanent system for discouraging discrimination, ensuring equal treatment. We should not throw away our umbrellas after the first subsequent clear day.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 2, 2013 12:25 PM
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Stephen and Warren

You should celebrate. We have achieved a society where discrimination based on race and sex is nearly gone. Indeed, we should discourage discrimination. It looks like men might need some of that help, maybe especially white men.

Both of you are young white men, who must have suffered the sting of affirmative action. When you were taking classes, didn’t you have to put up with all that crap about advancing women? Well, they done advanced and shot clean past you poor suckers. Grow a pair, guys. You need not be feminists just because the women tell you that.

The grievance industry will never stand down. You can cut statistics in many ways and If you want to find problems, you always can. Men are about ten times as likely to be killed on the job; they die younger, are more often imprisoned, much more likely to be victims of violence & are twice as likely to be homeless. Boys are much more likely to be disciplined or expelled from school and now women substantially outnumber men in school. And after all these statistics, you still think women got the raw deal.


Currently, unmarried college educated women in their 20s made MORE than their male counterparts. http://abcnews.go.com/WN/reverse-gender-gap-study-young-childless-women-earn/story?id=11538401.

Stephen

I am not treating myself as a victim. I am doing very well, thank you. And I have a daughter, wife and two sons, so we are more or less gender balanced. I don’t want my daughter and wife to suffer discrimination, any more than I want my sons to be treated unfairly.

But there is clearly some bias against men involved if we have 141 women for every 100 men. We should probably do something to encourage more men to overcome whatever it is that is keeping them down. At the very least, we can stop encouraging women, who are already winning.

Posted by: CJ at October 2, 2013 4:48 PM
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When you were taking classes, didn’t you have to put up with all that crap about advancing women?

I wish there had been more women in my classes. In my final physics class, there was only one girl and she dropped the class after the first midterm.

How many of these women with PhDs in the humanities are actually finding top notch jobs that use that education?

We still have more work to provide more motivation for women interested in STEM fields.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2013 5:10 PM
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Warren

Why? They are encouraged and praised when they go into the sciences. They choose to drop out after the midterm?

It would be great if women were to pull their own weight in the hard sciences. I wish they would. But the fact that they do not is not something we can address by pretending they are not responsible for their choices.

Think about this, as a scientist. Women do relatively better in places that are more subjective, where human judgement made by others is more pivotal. If we were talking about discrimination, we would expect the opposite. People suffering discrimination would be doing WORSE in places where they could be easily recognized.

Re women in humanities, I expect they are finding jobs as easily as men with similar backgrounds, maybe more since young women make more than young men after college as you see by the article I linked.

Posted by: CJ at October 2, 2013 5:44 PM
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They are encouraged and praised when they go into the sciences.

But no one shames or humiliates them when they quit.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2013 6:13 PM
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Warren

Indeed, perhaps we should humiliate them more when they throw in the towel. I believe that women suffer from being treated too gently.

In my MBA class, three of my female friends got three of the best jobs. Within two years, all three had downshifted and they were praised for being balanced. A man would be castigated. Maybe that is one reason men get ahead more.

Posted by: CJ at October 2, 2013 6:32 PM
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Oh Lord, here we go again with the last bastion for male bashing of women: STEM.

I would like to remind you guys that women trailed men in all educational and professional fields just a few decades ago. They are now prepared to take over the majority of those professional fields.

As I have said before, it is just a matter of time before women gravitate to STEM.

So, I sort of agree with you, C&J. The war is over. Just a few battles for women to fight. Now, we need to turn our attention to the relatively dismal performance of males over the past few decades. It might seem trivial but the declining performance of males relative to females at all levels is alarming.

Posted by: Rich at October 2, 2013 7:55 PM
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Rich

School has become feminized, with the active and sometimes aggressive habits of boys anathematized. We certainly should not push more help for women and maybe should extend some to boys.

Posted by: CJ at October 2, 2013 8:01 PM
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Indeed, perhaps we should humiliate them more when they throw in the towel. I believe that women suffer from being treated too gently.

In my MBA class, three of my female friends got three of the best jobs. Within two years, all three had downshifted and they were praised for being balanced. A man would be castigated. Maybe that is one reason men get ahead more.

So why did you claim that the fight for equality was over? Apparently, we still treat men and women differently and these differences end up mattering down the road.

School has become feminized, with the active and sometimes aggressive habits of boys anathematized. We certainly should not push more help for women and maybe should extend some to boys.
Hasn’t primary education been a feminine institution for at least a century? I don’t think there was much tolerance for aggressive/disruptive behavior 50 years ago. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 3, 2013 10:17 AM
Comment #371970

Actually, I had no problem getting a job in my diverse workplace. Why? because I’m not a marginal case. the main victims are people who were only barely qualified to begin with. I had skills I could sell myself with.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 3, 2013 3:19 PM
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Warren

Okay, we treat men worse than women. If you advocate some sort of program that puts more pressure on women and somehow relieves it on men, I don’t think you are in line anymore with the liberal establishment.

What you are saying is what I am saying. Get rid of all the special treatment for women and in fact give them harder kicks in the keisters.

Re feminized schools – it has changed a lot. When I was a boy, boys could be boys. We used to play rough games; we were not in coed gym classes. If you are in a gym class with girls, you are not exercising very hard. There were lots of contests that required strength and agility. And there was some fighting tolerated. Nobody got seriously hurt and mostly it was fun. We also had very aggressive games of dodge ball, where it was not considered a decent game if no blood was shed. The “real boys” would keep on playing with a bloody nose. I did on several occasions. This was better than the panzified school my poor boys had to put up with. I had to go in and get one of my sons because he crushed a toy from a McDonald’s happy meal.

Stephen

But if you were a female with identical qualifications, you would be better off.

Posted by: CJ at October 3, 2013 7:09 PM
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