Where Were You When the World Stopped Turning?

“Terrorist attacks can shake the foundations of our biggest buildings, but they cannot touch the foundation of America. These acts shatter steel, but they cannot dent the steel of American resolve.” -George W. Bush

God Bless America, this land that I love.

Posted by bigtex at September 11, 2013 3:53 PM
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Comment #370596


IMO, we can expect more of a challenge as the years go by. All those years of open borders, akin to what brought us 9/11, will produce a good number of jihadists willing to give it a fling.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/monitoring-america/

From the above url: “”The total cost of the localized system is also hard to gauge. The DHS has given $31 billion in grants since 2003 to state and local governments for homeland security and to improve their ability to find and protect against terrorists, including $3.8 billion in 2010. At least four other federal departments also contribute to local efforts. But the bulk of the spending every year comes from state and local budgets that are too disparately recorded to aggregate into an overall total.””

And,

“”Like Montijo, Walid Shoebat, a onetime Muslim who converted to Christianity, also lectures to local police. He too believes that most Muslims seek to impose sharia law in the United States. To prevent this, he said in an interview, he warns officers that “you need to look at the entire pool of Muslims in a community.””

http://politicalscience.osu.edu/faculty/jmueller/stewarr1.pdf

From the above url:
“”ABSTRACT
An assessment of increased United States federal homeland security expenditure since 2001
and expected lives saved as a result of such expenditure suggests that the annual cost ranges
from $64 million to $600 million (or even more) per life saved, greatly in excess of the
regulatory safety goal of $1-$10 million per life saved. As such, it clearly and dramatically
fails a cost-benefit analysis. In addition, the opportunity cost of these expenditures,
amounting to $32 billion per year, is considerable, and it is highly likely that far more lives
would have been saved if the money (or even a portion of it) had been invested instead in a
wide range of more cost-effective risk mitigation programs.””

Homeland Security is in the budget for $70B/yr. Quite an outflow of taxdollars and still, the border seems a major weak point

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/346591/southern-border-our-welcome-mat-terrorists

$64 - to $600M per life saved? I’m sure we will revert to depression ASAP if it cost that much to save one of us.

Otherwise - - -


Posted by: Roy Ellis at September 12, 2013 6:03 PM
Comment #370616

Hello BigTex,
American Resolve… just what is that these days?

It is like asking folks in Detroit about the American Dream, searching the plains states for small family farms, New England for textile mills or steel mills in PA. It is sad what happens when people begin to lose hope, when complacency takes over for innovation and creativity. People would rather communicate via electronic means then face-to-face. What Resolve remains unless some catastrophe happens here or in some other country. Why does it take the UNPLEASANT ACTS of another to get folks to interact today?

I suppose, I could say that it is good that we still do. Yet how many folks know their neighbors, actually help others just because….. Who has helped you lately and NOT asked for anything in return? On the other hand, do you have those friends that all they seem to do is always ask for something and never “give” back.

America would be much better off with more internal focus by all of us citizens.

Posted by: Kathryn at September 13, 2013 12:02 PM
Comment #370618

Hello BigTex,
American Resolve… just what is that these days?

It is like asking folks in Detroit about the American Dream, searching the plains states for small family farms, New England for textile mills or steel mills in PA. It is sad what happens when people begin to lose hope, when complacency takes over for innovation and creativity. People would rather communicate via electronic means then face-to-face. What Resolve remains unless some catastrophe happens here or in some other country. Why does it take the UNPLEASANT ACTS of another to get folks to interact today?

I suppose, I could say that it is good that we still do. Yet how many folks know their neighbors, actually help others just because….. Who has helped you lately and NOT asked for anything in return? On the other hand, do you have those friends that all they seem to do is always ask for something and never “give” back.

America would be much better off with more internal focus by all of us citizens.

Posted by: Kathryn at September 13, 2013 12:16 PM
Comment #370621

I know you’re all going to hate this but, I was in my living room scanning channels, waiting for my ride to work. I saw Peter Jennings talking about a plane hitting the building, pictures of smoke roiling out of the tower. Then, when it collapsed, the first thing I thought of, even before it was finished collapsing, was, “That looks just like a controlled demolition!”

And then the other one went down exactly the same way!
What a coincidence!

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2013 12:56 PM
Comment #370652

On that day, I was at work at the Air Base in Bangor,Me. I had just gone to the breakroom to get a coffee, when the news broke on TV.
The base would shortly get locked down and all aircraft airborne would be recalled early to be put on immediate alert. In fact they flew many missions over the NYC area afterward.
My thoughts at the time..Oh sh.., this is not going to be good at all. Lock down, extended hrs….need to touch bases with the kids ASAP! Back to Maintenance Control the sh-t is about to hit the fan….. all in a matter of seconds. Times were interesting.

Willie…there are many who think along the same lines as you. I honestly do not know what to believe at this point. It would make sense to me when designing hi-rise buildings to design how they will fall as well. The liability factor for damages to other structures/people in this time of lawsuits would be ridiculous. I have seen some interesting photos of the buildings as they are coming down but I have no training in interpreting them. Lots talk and speculation still circulates.

Posted by: Kathryn at September 13, 2013 6:24 PM
Comment #370683

Wow! I expected a flurry of name-calling and charges of unpatriotic sedition!

Perhaps people are waking up to the idea that things may not be as they are portrayed and they have been in denial for the last decade or so, but being able to accept the idea that it is possible is a step in the right direction.


Posted by: Weary Willie at September 14, 2013 1:06 PM
Comment #370780

I was in my dorm lobby when I first saw the twin towers. I think I was there when they showed another plane hit.

In essence, I had a notion pretty quickly that it might be al-Qaeda. It was a coordinated, multi-point strike like East Africa. There was no other terrorist group I knew of that fit the bill.

As for the collapse? I never doubted it was an uncontrolled collapse. See, I was familiar with real controlled demolitions, as I’ve always had a strong STEM interest. The controlled part of the demolition is the severing of load-bearing columns at certain points, after which the building’s own weight brings it down.

You don’t need to blow a building apart to demolish it, and that’s not really what you’re seeing when the dust comes out. Most of a building is air, since most buildings are designed to house human beings, who tend to do poorly trying to move through solid objects. When any building collapses, attacked or deliberately torn down, the debris heading earthward pushes the air out of the way. As the debris smashes together and pulverizes itself, it gets blown out with the escaping air. Hence, billowing clouds of debris.

You ask, but when were the columns cut?

Well, what did those planes do? All you really have to do is get one part falling, and most of it will go in the direction inertia would prefer: the direction that adds up all the vectors. There wasn’t much to push debris outwards, besides being deflected by the debris below it. Much of it fell into the footprint, but much of it fell outside of it, too, in a way no controlled demolition would allow. Most of them are set up in such a way that the debris gets pulled inwards, safely, so other buildings around the building are not damaged.

I watched that with all that in mind. So I never bought into the conspiracy theories.

Here’s what I did think: even when threats are perfectly legitimate (al-Qaeda did deserve an asskicking), people can exploit other’s fear to compromise their judgment. You don’t have to use a fake pretext to fool people into supporting something unsavory.

So, a great big part of my politic since then has been about taking the appropriate steps against the appropriate people, and preserving America’s representative democracy, its democratic republic against those who would manipulate people with their fears.

All too often, I see people using conspiracy theories to buy the support that the facts wouldn’t afford them. The Iraq war was built on such a theory, built on the notion that 9/11 was the work of Saddam Hussein’s intelligence organization, that al-Qaeda was simply a cover for them. They used that line of reasoning to get us into a war we’re not even beginning to recover from, as the reaction to going after Real, used Chemical Weapons in Syria shows.

I see a problem where people on both sides of the aisle are ping-ponging back and forth, reacting to the last mistake, but making all new mistakes by thinking in terms of oppositions rather than in terms of what can be established as true.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 16, 2013 5:52 PM
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