Red Line Crossed: Now What?

The Obama Administration is facing an issue of over promising action in Syria with recent revelations out of the country. The Administration admitted this week that they had conclusive evidence that the Syrian President Bashar Asaad has used chemical weapons on his own citizenry. President Obama promised that there would be action if the proverbial red line was crossed and there was more than just speculation. Now that the admission has been made, the President is now facing a tough choice.

What will the President do now? Will he take action? The question is hanging in the air and many Republicans and Democrats are waiting for the response. Direct military involvement has not yet been decided. However, reports have serviced by several top officials and Republican John McCain that arms are being sent to arm the rebels in Syria. Officials have agreed while others say that decision has not yet been made.

Arming rebels may be one approach to action, but several officials and Washington insiders are skeptical about the move. Arming opposition forces, critics say, would simply add to the problem rather than resolve it. Senator McCain has been a proponent of U.S. troop intervention, but that appears a long way from even being considered. The President, instead, is currently weighing the option of instituting a no-fly zone with no decision reached as of this writing.

The Syrian chemical weaponry and the subsequent funneling of arms to rebel forces is creating a new problem for the Obama Administration. If he overplays his hand, it could lead to backlash on the home front for those that are wary of entering into another conflict. If he fails to do any action, the red line appears to be just rhetoric rather than actual threats by the President. In a current political climate that is questioning the President's strength, follow through, and credibility, this poses a new question that the Obama Administration must answer. The actions he will take, however, are still vague at best.

Posted by KatynG at June 13, 2013 8:29 PM
Comments
Comment #367293

Obama has earned the name of the “lead from behind” president. Other than ramming Obamacare down the American’s throats with the help of a Democrat controlled House and Senate during the first 2 years; Obama has accomplished nothing. He is a scandal ridden , lame duck president, who will not take the lead to do anything. His claims of crossing the red line were just a “caught up in the moment bullshit”. Obama never planned to do anything, and he won’t do anything unless he is forced to do so. Obama will spend the remainder of his 3 1/2 years campaigning, raising money, and going on $100 million dollar vacations, at the taxpayers expense. He’s a pitiful excuse for an American president.

This was the short answer; but I’m sure his worshippers and water boys on WB will be able to expound more on his successes. Of course it will all be BS.

Posted by: CasperWY at June 14, 2013 3:34 PM
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Michelle couldn’t make it to California to be first lady when the Chinese chairman and wife came calling, but you can bet this ahhh…”lady” will be on the trip to Africa.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 14, 2013 4:08 PM
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Casper….

Do not rule out the possibility of war with Syria to distract from the ongoings in DC.

Remember their motto…”Never let a crisis go to waste”.

Posted by: JWL at June 14, 2013 4:49 PM
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Ah, yes JWL, I forgot their motto. I’m beginning to think the Snowden affair is a distraction from the scandals.

Of course, you ALWAYS have to watch the slight of hand. While America is distracted by the scandals, the Democrats, with the help of the RINO’s are pushing amnesty through the Congress. I wonder if there are any Republicans who understand amnesty will destroy the Republican Party.

Royal, I don’t guess there is any chance that a visit to the old home turf would attract them to stay there?

Posted by: CaserWY at June 14, 2013 5:25 PM
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I am disappointed that Obama took the neoconservative route with regards to Syria instead of staying true to his liberal ideology. It is now clear that all the rhetoric about red lines was profoundly premature and rash. Obama has now committed the US to fighting a war that is not in our interests. It seems that we are now progressing along the road of escalation, just like in Vietnam. I do not trust the administration when they promise to limit themselves to merely arming the rebels; I fear that we will soon hear requests for American boots on the ground.

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 14, 2013 5:43 PM
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http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/michaelschaus/2013/06/13/the-social-cost-of-carbon—another-example-of-data-manipulation-n1619016/page/full

“Within the legalese of an obscure and non-controversial rule lies a small change to an abstract accounting measure that promises to have profound consequences. President Barack Obama approved an increase in the so-called “social cost of carbon” calculation to $38 a metric ton. (I wonder if the “social cost of carbon” takes into account the countless number of jobs produced, wealth generated, philanthropy projects, and overall prosperity that cheap energy creates.) This number is used by government bureaucrats to weigh the cost and benefit of proposed projects, regulations and environmental laws; all without the hassle of actually understanding economics. In other words, this number (arrived at by a “scientific” method that calculates the cost of global warming to local governments) will be utilized to sell environmentally friendly legislation.”

I recall studying some of the actions of the Army Corps of Engineers when I was a student at the College of Natural Resources at U of W. and the cost/benefit analysis they used to justify the spending on a project. When building a dam there was always a huge number used for “recreational” value that would more than economically justify the spending and the project.

My friends, whether you are a dem or rep, liberal or conservative, you are getting screwed…big time.

I am certain that the political class will fall in line and spend billions of American taxpayer money in some half-assed move to supply arms to Syrian rebels.

Legalizing millions of people who shouldn’t be here to begin with will be justified by economic studies of how it will benefit the American taxpayer. It’s all bullshit and everyone knows it stinks. Well, maybe Doughboy doesn’t know it.

We are witnessing the theft of our Republic and many are willing participants in the name of politics.

God have mercy on us all.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 14, 2013 5:45 PM
Comment #367301

“I am disappointed that Obama took the neoconservative route with regards to Syria instead of staying true to his liberal ideology. It is now clear that all the rhetoric about red lines was profoundly premature and rash. Obama has now committed the US to fighting a war that is not in our interests. It seems that we are now progressing along the road of escalation, just like in Vietnam. I do not trust the administration when they promise to limit themselves to merely arming the rebels; I fear that we will soon hear requests for American boots on the ground.”

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 14, 2013 5:43 PM

First, I would like to say, I am very conservative and with regards to Syria, I say, let them kill each other off. If we were producing oil own fossil fuel instead of depending on the terrorist countries, we wouldn’t have any reason to be concerned about their civil wars.

Secondly, it has taken he threat of sending troops into Syria to make WP disappointed. I’m glad there is something that finally disappoints you concerning the messiah Obama (bless his holy name).

Thirdly, Obama is supposed to be the leader; if he wasn’t a lead behind president, and not a boaster of what he will do, he would be able to do nothing. But, alas, he’s subject to the will of the left.

Which brings us to the final point by Royal…the carbon tax. Obama has to pacify his liberal, socialist left; the criers of “we’re all gonna die from Global Warming” crowd. Do you honestly think this clown is concerned about jobs, the price of fuel, or if the American people are being screwed….NO!!!

Posted by: CasperWY at June 14, 2013 6:23 PM
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CasperWY,

This isn’t the first time I’ve been disappointed with Obama. Our recovery from the recession was lackluster and certainly could have been handled better.

If we were producing oil own fossil fuel instead of depending on the terrorist countries, we wouldn’t have any reason to be concerned about their civil wars.

If we had a carbon tax, then we would have developed alternative energy sources and wouldn’t need to be concerned with Middle Eastern conflicts either.

Thirdly, Obama is supposed to be the leader; if he wasn’t a lead behind president, and not a boaster of what he will do, he would be able to do nothing. But, alas, he’s subject to the will of the left.

Thank goodness Obama has led from behind. Imagine how much worse the IRS & NSA scandals would be if Obama were directly involved?

RF,

No matter how much the Right whines, carbon emissions still carry external costs and it is the government’s job to consider those costs in its decision-making. The science and economics behind such calculations is sound and fully supported by a wide variety of empirical evidence. We’ve had debates regarding anthropogenic global warming before, and no one has ever demonstrated that GHG emissions are as benign as claimed by conservative organizations such as the Heartland Institute.

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 14, 2013 6:44 PM
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Trouble is Casper…many reps buy into this global warming crap as well. I can’t even begin to imagine how one arrives at the so-called “social cost of carbon” calculation at $38 a metric ton without resorting to a magical pencil writing on imaginary paper.

The original “flim-flam man” would be very proud of the shysters in Washington.

We have become a nation no longer with a Bill of Rights, but rather; a Bill of Needs.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 14, 2013 6:45 PM
Comment #367305

Warren, when obama approved an increase in the so-called “social cost of carbon” calculation to $38 a metric ton it was done for political reasons and nothing else. When politically necessary it can be easily raised to justify any program and any spending. You are being led by your politics and not by your common sense my friend.

Pulling numbers from a magical hat to justify political desires is nothing new.

Politicians will never, ever, run out of reasons for spending due to global warming. Don’t be a dummy and keep buying that crap. Think for yourself. It’s your well being that is at stake.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 14, 2013 6:54 PM
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Warren, alternative fuels will come into existence when it is financially profitable to create them. Just as Obama’s involvement in green energy was a complete waste of taxpayer dollars and a complete failure; carbon tax is simply another way for politicians to create alternative energies, and it will fail. The only one who will be adversely affected by carbon taxes will be the low and middle class. The one percenters don’t care, and government employees use government vehicles and taxpayer paid gas cards. But the working stiffs will get screwed again.

“Thank goodness has led from behind”; great comment. So far you have said Obama can’t lead, he don’t know what he’s doinging the middle-east, and his 4 1/2 years of spending tax dollars on stimulus and shovel ready jobs, has failed. Would you care to include Obamacare in your disappointment in the economy recovery; since Obamacare will most certainly hurt the recovery?

So you don’t believe Obama or his policies were part of the scandals? You don’t believe Obama’s campaign speeches attacking the Tea Party had any effect on the IRS, NAS, or DOJ intrusion into the lives of those affiliated with the Tea Party?

“The science and economics behind such calculations is sound and fully supported by a wide variety of empirical evidence.”

Warren, I don’t suppose you got the memo that GW science is falling apart.

Posted by: CasperWY at June 14, 2013 7:01 PM
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Honestly Casper, I believe that those who have made government their God don’t really give a damn about how badly the political class is screwing them.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 14, 2013 7:12 PM
Comment #367308

Royal, I believe you are I are about the same age. 70 plus or minus a few. The point is, we have ours. Obama can’t really do much to hurt us. I don’t have to drive, if I don’t want. I live in the country and my wife and I produce much of our own food. We spend the winters in Florida and if something happens and we can’t go…so be it. My house and everything I own is paid for. We have a comfortable income, and unlike Stephen Daugherty who thinks precious metals are simply pretty to look at, we have substantial funds to take care of us just in case… I’m perfectly satisfied with my accomplishments and with life; I considered anything past 60 (retirement age) as bonus time, and I’m ready to go when the Lord calls me.

Warren Porter on the other hand, is young, and has none of these things. Unless he opens his eyes, he and the rest of the people his age will never have anything. They will spend their lives working, just so they can watch liberal politicians redistribute the money to those who won’t work. There will be none of the SS money left when he reaches retirement, which as you know, comes very fast. He will watch the Constitution and the Bill of Rights trampled upon by leftist who believe the documents that have made us successful for over two hundred years, are out of date and evolving. He will pay high prices for energy, and he will NEVER EVER see anything that will successfully take the place of fossil fuel. He will watch as the government steals his money in the name of environmental taxes, and watch as industries leave America, and he will watch countries like China pump billions of tons of poison in the atmosphere and laugh at the UN for talking about carbon tax.

In short, we got ours, and Warren’s crowd will get theirs, hahaha.

Posted by: CasperWY at June 14, 2013 7:23 PM
Comment #367309

Casper…you nailed it very well. And, it’s not just the liberal politicians who are laughing all the way to the bank…plenty of Republicans are guilty of selling us down the drain.

We are nearly slaves already and the sad thing is…many don’t even know it. I have a number of friends who came here legally from a communist country. They tell me they see many of the same signs that doomed their mother country happening here. If the USA goes down to tyranny where else is there to go?

Like you Casper, I have lived a full life and enjoy my retirement. I don’t have a lot of material wealth, but what I do have I worked for myself. I am proud to have served in our Armed Forces and proud to be as good a Christian as I can be.

I do love this country that has given me every opportunity to succeed by applying myself. I love freedom. I love liberty. I want everyone to enjoy what I have known. And, I see it slipping away ever so slowly. You and I will be fine, but future generations will wonder why they live under tyranny, and why we didn’t stop it when we still could.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 14, 2013 7:42 PM
Comment #367310

Royal, I was not very excited about going in the military in the 60’s, but I had no choice and as I look back, it was one of the best things I ever did. I also learned to love this country and remember kissing the ground when I arrived back in the country. I have traveled to foreign countries many times, but have always felt a sense of safety when stepping back on US soil. We traveled on a cruise during the winter, and I had the same old feelings when stepping on foreign soil as I did years ago. I told my kids and g-kids, “you’re not on US soil now and our Constitution does not work here”.

There is a great struggle taking place in the Republican Party. The establishment Republicans are no different than the Democrats; their concern is not our country, it is power. Stephen Daugherty and even Warren Porter cannot understand this; they want to lump all conservatives as Republicans and its not true. Sometimes we have to vote for the lessor of two evils, but it doesn’t lesson the sick feeling in our stomachs when voting for some people.

Stephen Daugherty and Warren Porter will never have a life like the one I’ve had. They will be slaves to the government they have helped to create. I used to be a Democrat, when I was in my 20’s I voted Democrat. When I voted for Carter and I watched the imbecile almost destroy the country, when there were gas lines in the richest country in the world, when foreign terrorists laughed at the US; I decided my vote was more important than to vote for an incompetent. Obama is just like Carter only more dangerous. He pulls his stunts under the defense of racism. If anyone speaks against him, they are a racist. By the time Warren figures it out, it will be too late. Doughboy, on the other hand, is sold out to socialism.

Posted by: CasperWY at June 14, 2013 8:18 PM
Comment #367311

Obama’s new world:

“(AP) Emergency manager: Detroit won’t pay $2.5B it owes
By COREY WILLIAMS
Associated Press
ROMULUS, Mich.
A team led by a state-appointed emergency manager said Friday that Detroit is defaulting on about $2.5 billion in unsecured debt and is asking creditors to take about 10 cents on the dollar of what the city owes them.

Kevyn Orr spent two hours with about 180 bond insurers, pension trustees, union representatives and other creditors in a move to avoid what bankruptcy experts have said would be the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history.

Underfunded pension claims likely would get less than the 10 cents on the dollar.”


http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/DA6TMNC00

Boy, will the unions be mad at this. How long will it take for the Obamster to offer tax payer dollars to bail out the union pensions?

Royal and Casper; this is what Porter and Daugherty have to look forward to. This is what happens when the gravy train is derailed.

Posted by: DSP2195 at June 14, 2013 8:40 PM
Comment #367312

What seems to be happening with the libs on WB? No comments, strange. Are we putting them on suicide watch? Has Obama reach the end of their ability to protect and defend him?

Posted by: Frank at June 14, 2013 9:29 PM
Comment #367325

Warren

“Thank goodness Obama has led from behind. Imagine how much worse the IRS & NSA scandals would be if Obama were directly involved?”

These are things the president has the duty to run. If he is not involved, he is negligent. If he is involved …

Posted by: CJ at June 15, 2013 4:46 AM
Comment #367329

“Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano weighed in on the NSA intelligence leaks on Friday, telling NY1 that fears over government surveillance were overblown.”

I think people have gotten the idea that there’s an Orwellian state out there that somehow we’re operating in. That’s far from the case,” she told Errol Louis during an appearance on Road to City Hall.

Despite civil liberties advocates’ fears that monitoring efforts have gone too far, “there are lots of protections built into the system,” Ms. Napolitano said, pointing to a privacy office embedded in her own department that is “constantly reviewing our policies and procedures.” She further stressed the court review system.

“No one should believe that we are simply going willy-nilly and using any kind of data that we can gather,” she said.

http://politicker.com/2013/06/janet-napolitano-denies-existence-of-orwellian-state/

I for one, certainly believe the Napolitano.

Posted by: Political Hostage at June 15, 2013 1:38 PM
Comment #367333
alternative fuels will come into existence when it is financially profitable to create them

Alternative energy already is much cheaper than fossil fuels. The problem is that fossil fuels are able to externalize most of their costs onto either the government or future generations. This means that fossil fuels are one of the most heavily subsidized industries. It is these external costs that were cited by RF earlier.

Warren, I don’t suppose you got the memo that GW science is falling apart.
Falling apart? If this were the case, then it would be completely earth-shattering and completely rewrite the laws of physics as we know them. I beg, please do share your “memo”, I’m sure it could earn you a Nobel Prize if your hypothesis is verified. I’m interested to learn how we were wrong all along about the Greenhouse Effect and its associated feedback loops.
The point is, we have ours.
Unlike you, I don’t depend on the government for handouts.
Sometimes we have to vote for the lessor of two evils, but it doesn’t lesson the sick feeling in our stomachs when voting for some people.

If you were voting for the lesser of two evils, you’d be voting for Obama; not McCain or Romney.

What seems to be happening with the libs on WB?

Instead of sitting on our buts living off of government hand outs, we actually work for a living.

These are things the president has the duty to run.
I believe that the IRS’ internal decisions regarding enforcement of tax law aren’t any of the President’s business. The possibility of corruption is too great otherwise. Posted by: Warren Porter at June 15, 2013 7:14 PM
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Warren

The natural gas boom is changed the equation. We are already emitting less carbon dioxide and gas if abundant and American. Natural gas will buy us the time to work out our energy needs.

We now face the crisis of too much inexpensive energy. The energy crisis of my youth is over. We have achieved all the goals espoused in the 1970s have been achieved.

Re Obama - the buck stops with him. I don’t think he had anything to do with the planning of these scandals, but his people were responsible.

The problem with the IRS is that is has become politically active. This is a problem throughout government, with political appointees reaching much further down than any time since Chester A Arthur. This is not only Obama, but it is getting worse under him.

Posted by: CJ at June 15, 2013 7:26 PM
Comment #367336

Natural gas drilling results in less carbon dioxide, but more methane. Methane persists only @ 4 years, while CO2 persists for about 100 years, but Methane is a much, much more powerful greenhouse gas.

Posted by: phx8 at June 15, 2013 11:15 PM
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phx8, Oh yes I remember when the Democrats wanted to tax farmers because their cows were farting methane gas.

Warren Porter, you pompous little piss ant, I receive no government handouts for anything. My retirement was paid for by me. I know you live and breath by Obama’s “you didn’t build that”, but sorry laddie, I did build it. Now go back and read my comments again and understand I get nothing from the government, asshole.

Regarding “sick at my stomach”; I get sick at my stomach when I hear the name Obama, and it nauseates me to hear his voice.

Regarding the fraudulent Global Warming pushed by politicians for the purpose of taxes and control:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN06JSi-SW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXDISLXTaY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQQGFZHSno

Rather than just invoke carbon taxes or push GW laws; why don’t we have actual scientists from both sides present their cases before the American people. What happen to good old fashioned debates?

“I believe that the IRS’ internal decisions regarding enforcement of tax law aren’t any of the President’s business. The possibility of corruption is too great otherwise.”

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 15, 2013 7:14 PM

So what happens when we find the IRS attacks on conservative groups actually came from the staff of the WH?

Posted by: CasperWY at June 16, 2013 12:38 AM
Comment #367348
I receive no government handouts for anything

No SS benefits? No Medicare? I doubt it. If you are retired, you are living off the largess of my hard work and the payroll taxes that I pay to you via governmental redistribution programs. From your profanity, I observe that this is a sore point for you, I’m sorry that you have to live with so much self-hatred, no wonder you must cope with chronic stomach pains and nausea.

why don’t we have actual scientists from both sides present their cases before the American people

It’s been 200 since it was the greenhouse effect was first hypothesized.

Regarding Dr. Carter:

Is there warming?
Climate variability has been a consistent factor for hundreds of millennia. A general pattern has emerged whereby we experience ice ages lasting roughly 100,000 years separated by 10,000 year-long “interglacial” periods. The best hypothesis to explain this variation is Milutin Milanković’s theory regarding variations in Earth’s rotational properties. However, today’s warming is startling because humanity has never experienced warming of both this magnitude and rate. Also, our modern civilization has made it much more expensive to adapt to global warming.
For more info, I suggest that you read this

Is there an Iris Effect?
It’s an interesting hypothesis, but it iscontradicted by emperical evidence. Dr. Roy Spencer and Dr. Richard Lindzen’s research here have serious problems that need to be resoved before the Iris hypothesis gains any mainstream credibility.

Regarding feedbacks?
Dr. Carter doesn’t even attempt to disprove that Water Vapor is a very strong positive feedback for global warming. It has been long acknowledged that aerosols provide a significant negative feedback in this area, but aerosol emissions have fallen precipitously in the past few decades due to legislation combating acid rain. The feedback from clouds remains a big unknown and deserves further research. If it were discovered that the feedback were large and negative, then it would topple the whole AGW theory, but that remains to be seen. Also, you must remember that the feedbacks from clouds could just as easily be large and positive, which would make our situation far worse than previously imagined.

Regarding Economics?
The Stern Review is the top source in this regard. The costs of adapting to unmitigated global warming are estimated to be 5-20% of global GDP in the year 2100, but the costs of preventing the warming are estimated to be only 1-2% of global GDP.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/archives/27338

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 16, 2013 2:35 PM
Comment #367354

From Warren’s link I quote the last paragraph…

“The Review remains a highly-regarded and influential document, and its reputation has been strengthened by subsequent research and analysis which have shown that the risks posed by unmanaged climate change are huge, while sensible preventative action is both affordable and attractive.”

This is clearly a false proposition. First, it implys that man can manage climate. Secondly, it states that such efforts can prevent climate change and are “affordable”.

Prevention efforts forced upon nations have not proven to be successful at all. The reason, they are not anywhere near affordable.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 16, 2013 5:02 PM
Comment #367359

Warren Porter, let me try to explain this to you just one more time. Perhaps I can use words you might understand; I RECIEVE NO SS AND MY MEDICAL INSURANCE IS PAID FOR BY ME. Can you understand that. In your eagerness to sound like an asshole, you failed to read that I have done very well in my life and continue to live comfortably, with no help from the government. But I will guarantee you took government subsidies for your college education. So you started out as a baby on the government tit.

Regarding my language; stupidity brings out the worst in me, but I do remember, a week or so ago, when you using some chauvinistic offensive language by referring to someone as part of the female anatomy. But I guess they hit a sore point with you.

Regarding taxes; I doubt that you pay any federal taxes.

Regarding GW; why don’t you come up with a plan to save the world that does not involve violating peoples rights or increasing their taxes. GW is right at the bottom of American’s list of concerns.

Tell me Warren; how do you propose to make China/N.Korea or any other up and coming industrialized 3rd world country abide by the same rules you want to place on America? Oh…let me guess…you don’t have a plan….so…LET’S JUST DRIVE THE REST IN AMERICAN INDUSTRY OUT OF THE COUNTRY!!!

Posted by: CasperWY at June 16, 2013 6:20 PM
Comment #367377
I RECIEVE NO SS AND MY MEDICAL INSURANCE IS PAID FOR BY ME

If you are truly 70 years old and remain financially independent, then kudos to you. I apologize for making assumptions, but I am at the mercy of your words.

I will guarantee you took government subsidies for your college education.

I earned a merit-based full-tuition scholarship for my university education.

when you using some chauvinistic offensive language by referring to someone as part of the female anatomy.
At the time, I was thinking about pussy cats, but after your response I recognize that my comment could be read in other ways as well, for which I am sorry. Nonetheless, my language never referred to anyone in particular.
I doubt that you pay any federal taxes.
I do pay taxes.
why don’t you come up with a plan to save the world that does not involve violating peoples rights or increasing their taxes.

A carbon tax is the only free-market solution to the problem. You and your conservative friends can obfuscate all you want, but you cannot escape the fact that fossil fuels have external costs. The only way for a free-market to function properly is to internalize those costs.

GW is right at the bottom of American’s list of concerns.
15 years ago, Islamic Terrorism was at the bottom of America’s list of concerns; therefore, the best course of action was to ignore the issue completely.
Tell me Warren; how do you propose to make China/N.Korea or any other up and coming industrialized 3rd world country abide by the same rules you want to place on America? Oh…let me guess…you don’t have a plan….so…LET’S JUST DRIVE THE REST IN AMERICAN INDUSTRY OUT OF THE COUNTRY!!!

Firstly, North Korea isn’t anywhere close to being industrialized, so they aren’t really a factor here. As for China and the rest of the BRICs, they will be motivated to reduce their emissions as soon as they begin to feel the effects of climate change. The problem will be especially acute in South Asia. A carbon tax could be compensated with reductions in other taxes to make it revenue neutral, which shouldn’t “drive American industry out of the country”.

This is clearly a false proposition. First, it implys that man can manage climate. Secondly, it states that such efforts can prevent climate change and are “affordable”.

Prevention efforts forced upon nations have not proven to be successful at all. The reason, they are not anywhere near affordable.


A textbook example of “begging the question”. Posted by: Warren Porter at June 17, 2013 6:24 PM
Comment #367380

Warren…can you cite any scientific paper that claims that man can manage climate which backs it up with evidence?

The nations that made promises to reduce carbon emissions to previously agreed upon levels have all failed to do so. The reason, I believe, is that it is not affordable. Can you prove otherwise or have an explanation for the failure?

You do understand that the word “unaffordable” does not only include money directly spent.

Warren wrote; “A carbon tax could be compensated with reductions in other taxes to make it revenue neutral, which shouldn’t “drive American industry out of the country”.

With that naive statement you have rendered yourself irrelevant.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 17, 2013 7:11 PM
Comment #367389
can you cite any scientific paper that claims that man can manage climate which backs it up with evidence?

I don’t recommend that anyone attempt to manage the climate. As a scarce resource, the atmosphere should be managed by the free market just like the rest of the economy. Markets have a sort of omniscience unattainable by Man that makes them superior to central planning. If the market judges alternatives to be unprofitable, then we will continue to utilize fossil fuels, but at least the financial consequences of their use will be factored into their price.

With that naive statement you have rendered yourself irrelevant.
Believe whatever you want… Posted by: Warren Porter at June 17, 2013 9:54 PM
Comment #369348

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