Automatic Weapons and Taxes: the IRS

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has taken on new roles and connotations in American politics and political life. The once thought of tax agency is suddenly making headlines as an overreaching arm of the government. By now, the (alleged) claims that the IRS took unfair investigations into the behavior of conservative political groups and those with right leaning tendencies is known. New allegations, however, have arisen recently into just how powerful this agency is and how much fire power they may have backing them.

Reports have serviced into alleged training of IRS employees with more than just an education in appropriate tax reviews. Rather, a Republican political official is asserting that the IRS and many of its employees underwent training in automatic weaponry. Representative Jeff Duncan, a Republican from South Carolina, alleged that when touring Homeland Security, he saw IRS agents training with AR-15's. The announcement, which came on his Twitter account, is not much to discuss at first glance and is not getting much publicity. But, when looking deeper into the scandals of the past weeks and the overt bias in this agency, the idea that more power (firepower) could be given to these individuals is terrifying.

Representative Duncan's claims at this point are just that: claims. But, the idea that our IRS agents may carry more firepower should be terrifying enough to launch a full investigation. Of course, security agents at the IRS do need some firepower in protecting their agents. Lower level agency employees and those that may not serve in a security role do not. What is equally as terrifying and troubling is that the IRS is now playing a vital role in Obamacare implementation. The oft thought of tax agency is now becoming an enforcement agent of policies and with firepower potentially behind them, that is a terrifying prospect.

Posted by KatynG at June 12, 2013 1:59 PM
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We don’t need a semi-automatic weapon to protect ourselves from being raped or murdered, but government needs fully automatic weapons to collect taxes and redistribute wealth.

The way the country has lurched so far left, I wouldn’t doubt that qualifying with these weapons has been going on for decades.

Posted by: kctim at June 13, 2013 2:21 PM
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Jeff Duncan is useless; I lived in his district and this might be the only thing he’s done since he’s been there.

And please do not describe an AR-15 as an automtatic weapon. It is a semi-automatic.

Posted by: George in SC at June 13, 2013 2:23 PM
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Why am I not surprised that the first comment from the left is to discredit Jeff Duncan? Any comments on the meat of the post; mainly the IRS arming themselves against the American people?

I linked to this in the previous post:

“There has been a lawsuit filed against the IRS on behalf of up to 60 million Americans, whose medical records were taken by the IRS. The IRS agents were armed when entering the Ins. Co and demanded the records siting they had a warrant. The warrant was never shown. First of all, why would the IRS want the medical records of 60 million Americans, why were the agents armed, and why wasn’t the warrant shown. From my understanding; the lawyers from the IRS (or any government agency) would contact the lawyers of the Ins. Co. and the exchange would be made:

“A Malibu, Calif., based attorney, Robert E. Barnes, has filed a class-action suit against the IRS alleging that 15 agents stole the medical records of 10 million people in a raid on a storage facility called “John Doe Company” just weeks ago, according to Courthouse News.

The action alleges that the information on private citizens that was taken was their most intimate medical records, including psychological, obstetric and gynecological, sexual and drug treatment documentation, and other medical treatment.

It alleges that the agents stole more than 60 million records that violate the privacy of more than a million Californians and a total of more than 10 million Americans.”

Let’s add to this the DHS investing in riot gear for domestic use.

Or perhaps the DHS, IRS, and even the Postal Department investing in millions of rounds of hollow point ammo.

Or the information coming from this link:

What the heck is going on?

Posted by: CasperWY at June 13, 2013 3:32 PM
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George in SC,
Congratulations on joining the left!

Posted by: phx8 at June 13, 2013 3:42 PM
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My comment about Duncan doesn’t come from the left or the right. It comes from personal knowledge of the man.

As to his inquiry it’s foolish. The IRS has had a criminal division since forever. Weren’t those the guys that got Capone? There are also plenty of governmental agencies with their own criminal investigative functions. My father carried a gun for the Forest Service as an example.

The only thing Jeff is pointing out is that the IRS is training to use a “scarry gun.” I wonder how the NRA is going to rate him after his moment in the sun given their stance that “scarry guns” are no more or less lethal than regular guns. Would this be a story if Jeff saw the IRS agents training on a standard issue Glock 22? Jeff has given the left a softball in the gun debate while trying to point out something that has been going on for a century. It just proves what I already knew about him.

Posted by: George in SC at June 13, 2013 3:52 PM
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Thanks PH! I’m going to drop my subscription to Walter Williams and join the Daily Kos!

Posted by: George in SC at June 13, 2013 3:55 PM
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I have no idea if George in SC is a conservative or a liberal. I do know the first response of the left is to attack the messenger and ignore the message.

Perhaps George in SC could explain why the IRS sent 15 armed agents into an insurance company office to take 60 million medical records? Or perhaps an explanation can be given for why the DHS, IRS, DOJ, or the Postal Service is buying millions of rounds of hollow point ammo. Their lame answer was, “we get a better deal on bulk ammo for target practice”. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but who uses hollow points for target practice, and since when is hollow points cheaper than target rounds? The military is not even allowed to use hollow points. I can’t think of any reason for the government to buy them.

I would also like for someone to explain to me the article found in the Canadian Free Press. I want to know why the government needs so much information about American citizens.

Posted by: CasperWY at June 13, 2013 4:07 PM
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Casper, the story here is that Jeff saw them training with an AR-15 instead of the standard issue Glock (because the IG told them to last year.) His observation feeds the idea that the AR-15 is somehow more lethal than the guns the IRS has had since its inception. Same with your hollow points vs. FMJ. It’s a fact the IRS can kill you if you don’t pay; doesn’t matter to me how they do it.

He may be A+ from NRA but he’s clueless about what he is doing. Must be a Clemson grad…

Posted by: George in SC at June 13, 2013 4:51 PM
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I guess the real question, George, is why are IRS Agents getting arms training in the first place? I don’t mind individual agents going out on their own and getting training, any individual can (and should) do that, but why are they getting the training as part of their job, and why are we paying for it?

Posted by: Rhinehold at June 13, 2013 5:34 PM
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Rhinehold the trainees were IRS Criminal Investigation and not IRS agents. That group has been around since 1919 has been arresting people who don’t pay their taxes. In another thread I wrote:”And as Rhinehold points out the best anti-corruptive approach is to not have a goverment that has the power to imprison and that has men with guns that can come and take your property, your children, and your life,” so I with you on that question- these are the men with guns!

But think about it. Had Duncan said I saw IRS Criminal Enforcement people training would the story have even been written? After all the IG told them to do more training last year.. The shock of the story is that they are training on “automatic” weapons (see this blog’s title). Without the AR 15 this is a non story unless you don’t like the fact that the government can compel you to do something better than WalMart can…

Posted by: George in SC at June 13, 2013 6:46 PM
Comment #367284

How many IRS agents get to carry around weapons? 2600. The FBI has over 13,000 special agents, by contrast.

Which is three thousand less than the number of agents Conservatives were scaring themselves with, not too long ago. The Conservative movement has become unable to distinguish paranoid, out of context, gossip from reality.

Casper WY-
Law Enforcement agencies prefer to use ammo that doesn’t pass right through suspects to hit civilians.

As for buying millions of rounds of ammo? You mean the rumors about a big purchase? Another case of overreaching Paranoia.

These are Law Enforcement agencies that have hundreds of thousands of armed agents (Remember your grade school division skills? They come in handy) who have to practice shooting on the firing range.

I wonder how many rounds the paranoid right in this country have snapped up in response to all the false rumors about the coming Liberal/Progressive Junta.

Your politicians, who you love to trash when you’re not scaring yourself silly about liberals, keep their voters in line for them in the ballot by simply making any alternatives unacceptable. They’ll scare you about any stupid thing, and the advocacy-oriented conservative media will pass along their horse**** unfiltered.

Meanwhile, the so-called liberal media is more than willing to seriously discuss all the things that my people might be doing wrong. It can be damn painful at times, but it means that people on the left don’t accept the same low level of mediocrity that the right does these days. We have our share of people who inspire us to facepalm, but we haven’t grown the bumper crop of morons that your side has, and that’s because the mainstream media we rely upon won’t rationalize our people the same way you do yours.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 13, 2013 6:54 PM
Comment #367286

Move over Doughboy, there is a soon to be a legal (formerly illegal) alien (citizen) usurping your job. Welcome him or her and thank them for the opportunity to give them your job.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 13, 2013 7:57 PM
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Stephen would have to get a job in order to lose it to an illegal. Contract work for Daily Kos, writing on here, and attempting to write a book don’t offer those with an actual work ethic, or the desire to support oneself, a very large incentive to take that ‘job’ (a term I use very loosely)…

Posted by: Adam at June 14, 2013 11:38 AM
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Adam, you forgot Doughboy’s experience as a film producer. I’m sure he has produced many films we have ever heard of.

We also must not forget the intelligence he keeps telling us he has; I’m sure he teaches at a local community college.

Posted by: DSP2195 at June 14, 2013 1:07 PM
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Royal Flush-
1) My field of work is fairly technical. Most undocumented workers are not at that level.
2) We’re 78% of the population, 63 percent if you exclude whites who are also latino. There are not enough of them to keep somebody who wants a job from having one.
3) I would point out to you that many of these undocumented aliens serve as a pool of cheap labor. If they are resident aliens who can take advantage of our legal systems and safely contact the authorities, they will demand better pay.

I’ve had a job for almost as many years as I’ve been a Watchblog contributing editor. Sorry you haven’t taken the facts at face value. Also, with no danger of factual contradiction, I can say I’ve never done contract work for Daily Kos. Hell, you don’t even specify any work in particular. If you’re citing my diaries on that page, you should know that only a handful of writers on that page are actually employed on that site, and I’m not one of them. I’m one of the hundreds of thousands of Daily Kos members who posts for free. I occasionally hit it big, but I don’t see money from that, unfortunately.

What is is with being unable to stick with stated arguments? I’m not a film producer. At best I’m a very overqualified amateur filmmaker. I plan to change that at some point, but I base my argument on what anybody whose been educated to my level on the subject can tell you.

I believe my most important citation of that experience has been in talking about editing in videos and the like. Like many, you don’t seem to realize how easy it is to construct, with selective information and the techniques of editing, a false impression.

Let me give you a example: The pimp outfit in the James O’Keefe ACORN video. He shot an establishing shot of him walking towards the door in an outrageous pimp costume, and then cut to footage inside of him talking to these people, footage that didn’t show that when he was actually talking to these people, he was wearing a conservative suit instead.

That’s not accidental. That’s deliberate, and it fooled a lot of Republicans and Conservatives out there.

So did multiple edits that he and other Breitbart videographers did to other videos, cutting out different things people said, reorganizing context. As my professor used to say, everybody’s working on limited information. What James O’Keefe and Breitbart leave on the cutting room floor changed the meaning of what they didn’t, because the people who watched the edited videos couldn’t know what was left behind in the editing program.

I’d know about this because I’ve actually taken classes in this artform, learned to cut around bad footage, keep the audio going over a cut so you don’t sense the transition. I know the tricks. So when somebody like O’Keefe uses them it doubly ticks me off, especially when people like you take what they say at face value.

The selective use of information here, in principle, is what’s allowing idiots like that Congressman to get folks like you scared and outraged. They’ve got you worried about IRS Agents training on guns, about the DHS putting out a five year open-ended order for ammunition, among other things, by selectively withholding and promoting information.

And you eat it up. They’ve got you well trained for this diet of selective information. Even as incompetent, as piss-poor of leaders as they are, they’ll continue to get your support, because they can feed you just the right stuff to get you angry, outraged, and afraid, with no one you’re willing to listen able to gainsay them.

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Comment #367295

We all know why both the reps and dems want to legalize the undocumented in this country. It’s all political and both see benefits to themselves. Neither give a rat’s ass about what it will mean to the average American Taxpayer.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 14, 2013 4:01 PM
Comment #367337

Royal Flush-
You, like many on the right, see this purely in terms of a kneejerk security concern.

It does not occur to you that people who don’t have to fear deportation will be more willing to cooperate with authorities. It does not occur to you that one of your primary concerns, that is low-wage undercutting of citizens and legal immigrants, get resolved when people are no longer part of a grey or even black-market labor economy.

It doesn’t occur to you that at this point, the damage from years of allowing businesses in America to benefit from illegal alien labor has already been done, and trying to uproot thirty years of illegal immigrants might just be more trouble than its worth. Hence the pathway to citizenship.

We need to draw people into the system. The irony is, if Republicans weren’t so damn harsh about immigration, there’s no reason to believe that they couldn’t have drawn more Latinos into their camp. Instead, they turn it into another engine of paranoid political pressure, which does a good job of keeping Conservatives locked into Republican candidates, at the price of alienating the very people they’re worried about going over to the Democrats.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 15, 2013 11:46 PM
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Nice attempt to castigate Royal (and my views) as kneejerk.

The VAAAAAAST majority of those who will become legal (and voting citizens) will be instantly added to the rolls of welfare entitlement in this nation. This push by Democrats is nothing other than election insurance, because adding another 20 Million (low estimate) Democrats to the voting rolls will likely mean no conservatives will get elected and the nation will have to eventually implode because the gravy train will never stop itself while the populace continues to vote itself more checks from the public treasury.

You have long ago run out of other people’s money to spend, you lemmings riding the gravy train (and voting for the gravy train candidate) just don’t realize it yet, and you never will.

When the train stops, it will have to be a train-wreck that is “out of the hands” of the people who WILL NOT stop it themselves. This is the reason that abundance leads to apathy, and apathy leads back into bondage… Read Alexander Tyler. He wasn’t just wise, he was a prophet.

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?Première et principale, un sac de couchage doit vous tenir chaud. Le sac de couchage farce est d’une importance ici, mais c’est aussi le design. La plus proche adapté un sac de couchage, le plus chaud il en sera ainsi la meilleure forme est un pointu (ou le style momie sac de couchage). Un couvercle de couchage sac flexible est nécessaire aussi, autant chaud est manq uant dans la tête. Toutefois, pour la détente, vous avez également besoin d’un sac de couchage, vous pouvez étendre et de dessiner dans les en plut?t que celui qui appara?t comme un détroit- . veste La grande décision à atteindre est d’environ la farce Il ya trois choix:.. sauvagine vers le bas, de coton et de fibres naturelles complet à poils Chacun a des avantages et des inconvénients.

?Bas Apprendre à se reposer artificielle Vs bagages Apprendre à se reposer Sacs

?B sac lancel bb as sacs de couchage ont le meilleur taux de relaxation pour poids corporel, les paquets plus petit vers le haut et est de longue durée, mais tombe toute décontraction quand malsain, est lentement sécher, difficile de frais et est très co?teux. Sacs de couchage en polyester en utilisant des composants tels que Hollowfil, Quallofil et Polarguard sont en train de déshydratation, à l’abri de malsain et raisonnable des co?ts, mais plus grand et plus volumineux que vers le bas pour la détente comparative et sont réduits résidé. Fibre-pile se réchauffe lorsqu’il est mouillé, rapide déshydratation, durable et abordable, mais encore une fois plus grand et plus volumineux que le bas pour la détente comparative.

?Où poids corporel est essentiel, en bas est un excellent choix pour les visites réduites ou en voiture en dehors de camping, coton naturel est approprié, alors que pour bivouaquant ou snowholing où votre sac est susceptible d’obtenir malsain, tas est utile d’examiner. Quelles que soient les complets, sacs de couchage venir dans les charges diverses dont la période ou les scores gamme chaudes. Soyez avertis, ce ne sont que des recommandations. congélation traverses devrez peut-être un supplément de ?saison? pour s’assurer une soirée tiède, tandis que ceux chauffés peuvent être en mesure de s’en tirer avec un sac moins lourd que celui recommandé pour la saison. Vous pouvez d”stretch’ bien s?r la détente d’un sac par habillés dans des tenues en elle, en utilisant un revêtement sac de couchage, sacs de couchage et les exécutera mieux s’il est utilisé avec un matelas isolant sous le contenu. sacs de couchage sont produite par la plupart des grands producteurs extérieurs, y compris: Snugpak, Cumulus Apprendre à se reposer des bagages, Hill équipement, RAB et la face nord.

?Sleeping Bag Note Saison

?Cela vous permet de savoir, approximativement, à quelle saison, le sac de couchage peut être parfaitement utilisé. Cependant, le classement période ne peut pas être trop précis que la tolérance au froid diffère d’un individu à.

?1 sac de couchage période - utilisation en été

?2 sac de couchage période - usage de printemps retardé début de l’automne

?3 Sac de couchage période - l’utilisation par le printemps, la saison d’été et à l’automne

?4 Sac de couchage période - niveau bas tout au long de la saison d’utiliser

?Ce qui précède représente l’usage commun, pas avancé d’utilisation étape de montagne, c’est à dire 4 sacs de couchage période ne sont parfois pas approprié pour les visites pendant la saison hivernale. S’il vous pla?t appelez 01925 411 385 pour parler avec un participant du groupe de la ‘s professionnel pour plus d’informations sur lesquelles sac de couchage est le plus adapté à vos besoins si vous avez n’importe quelle question.

?Matériaux Sac de couchage

?Le Remplissage: Son objectif est de l’air et éviter les pièges de son mouvement, l’air est réchauffé par votre système et parce qu’elle est maintenue autour d sac bb lancel pas cher e vous, offre la détente nécessaire pour vous garder détendus pendant que vous reposer..

?Apprendre à se reposer vers le bas: Sacs naturelles propres est toujours la meilleure efficacité sac de couchage Il est compact avec des peluches fantastique (peluches en place ainsi dans l’air écueil) et est extrêmement instable pour donner un peu de charge jusqu’à la dimension de Down est fantastique ?plaquer? les qualités,.. décider autour de nos corps et de supprimer les pauses courants d’air demeurant parfois par la hausse des matières synthétiques. Toutefois, en baisse est un artiste mauvais lorsqu’il est mouillé, contrairement à certaines fibres naturelles de coton qui évitent l’humidité et. vers le bas sacs de couchage sont aussi généralement plus co?teux.

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