Scandals knocking down Obama's approval rating

The latest Quinnipiac poll shows President Obama’s job approval dropping to 45%. This is 3% lower than George W Bush was at this same point in his presidency. So much for that Obama mandate. If Obama wants to get back in the good graces of the American people, he really needs to address at least two of his big three scandals.

Most Americans don't really care very much about Libya. They are more likely to blame Hilary Clinton, if they think there is any real blame at all. This scandal Obama can probably dodge.

The IRS and journalist persecution scandals just keep getting worse. We probably need an independent counsel for these. Why? Can we trust Eric Holder to investigate himself? No. Holder himself signed the warrant. Let Congress do it? No. The Obama folks will be able to spin anything as a political attack. Justice will never be served.

Both the IRS and the journalist scandals represent a serious breach of trust. I doubt that Obama is directly implicated. But there is a syndrome at work here. The Obama folks feel entitled to demonize their opponents. Is it any surprise that some of their supporters take things a bit too far. In the 2012 election, every donation traceable to this Cincinnati IRS office went to President Obama or liberal Senator Sherrod Brown. They were not bad people. They thought they were doing the right thing. Actually, I bet they never thought about it at all. They just assumed the "patriots" were the enemy. This is precisely the problem.

The president needs to work to rebuild the trust he lost. Some people will never like him, but most people at one time gave him the benefit of the doubt. Early in his presidency, only 13% of Americans said they disapproved of Obama. What happened to turn nearly a majority against him and how can he win their trust again?

Posted by Christine & John at May 30, 2013 8:14 PM
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Comment #366778

“They just assumed the “patriots” were the enemy.” Or more likely assumed that tea party organizations were primarily political organizations and not social welfare organizations as required for a tax except 501(4)non profit tax exemption and shielding of donor lists.

Tea Party organizations were springing up all over the place during 2010. It was clearly obvious that they had a political agenda on federal financing, government growth, etc. The movement was well publicized.

When an IRS unit tasked with determining the legitimacy of a 501(4) begins to receive a massive increase in applications, many with Tea Party in their name or other identifying information, it would seem reasonable to apply some additional to their applications. They were flagging themselves for scrutiny under the 501(4) rules.

It seems to me to be a case of investigative profiling.


Posted by: Rich at May 30, 2013 11:21 PM
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First I don’t think overall you can see much of a decline. Just a tiny bit is all over the last 30 days. Rasmussen which typically scores Obama lower than most polls actually increased the approval slightly over the last few days. Most of the decline was just falling after a spike in approval in April which I don’t have a clue about. I think the scandals are hurting him only a little so far. Information could come to light from either of them to harm him more but so far it’s mostly the Republicans blowing smoke and the public not really ready to believe them yet.

Second, you mention President Bush’s approval but you line it up to the point when his crossed over for the first time since 9/11 really where more people disapproved than approved. This was on it’s way to the low 20’s. I’m not sure right now President Obama’s trend is headed in that direction. His approval has been pretty steady in the 40’s, sometimes mid 50’s almost his entire time so far in office.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at May 31, 2013 8:47 AM
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Rich it’s too late to try and minimize this. If it was just investigative profiling then why did the IRS plant a question that led to Lerner’s appology on behalf of the agency? Why did Obama call it “outrageous”? By their own admissions this issue is a big deal.

Also, according to the IG report the big increase in applications came in 2011 and 2012 while the targeting began in 2010.

The IRS has been their own worst enemy. They keep metrics on all of their activities and they regularly testify in front of Congress. Their testimony and their metrics don’t match and now they’ve tried to explain it away in too many ways. They are busted.

And I really loved Mr. Miller’s testimony about his “notes.” Can you imagine sitting in front of an IRS agent and saying I need to check my notes? Oh, you have records!

Posted by: George in SC at May 31, 2013 9:12 AM
Comment #366795

The scandals are the life preserver that Republicans are clinging to in order to avoid 2014 being a repetition of 2012.

And folks? 45% is not down in flames territory.

As for what happened to him?

Well, The Republican Party decided that it wasn’t going to make the reforms necessary to re-earn American’s trust, so they were just going to turn on the firehoses of fear and loathing and direct it at the President, in the hopes that this would make up for the Republican’s poor prospects and track record.

At some point, though, Republicans are going to have to realize that even if they stay true to being conservatives, their golden age of power isn’t coming back.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 31, 2013 10:31 AM
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Oh, by the way, the same poll say, with the support of three quarters of those polled that the economy and jobs are more important than any of these scandals.

The real scandal here is that after four years, Republicans are more interested in their own partisan benefit in Washington, than resolving the problem that is first and foremost on people’s minds.

Their only response has basically been to say “Go pass our entire laissez faire agenda, and repeal even more constraints on the Wall Street and Corporate actors you n longer trust.” Anybody with a brain can see that for all their complaints about what Rahm Emmanuel said, they have no shame about exploiting America’s crises and even creating some of their own to further their political aims.

Of course, directly creating jobs, even to repair what has become a glaringly shoddy infrastructure? Naaahhh. We have to stick to doing the same things we did before, no matter how poorly they worked, because conservatism is the unquestionable gospel truth and they’re NEVER wrong.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 31, 2013 10:44 AM
Comment #366797

Whatever jobs have been created, would have been created whether Obama did anything or not; in fact the economy would have recovered faster if Obama had done nothing but let things run their course. Out here in the real world of flyover country, there is no recovery. But we do have millions more on food stamps and SS disability.

There is an old saying that the thing liberals cry he loudest about, is the thing that worries them the most. These scandals are taking a toll on the Democrats. There is a trend in the polls showing this very point; and there will be a lot more to come out. All it will take is for an Obamaite IRS employee to face prison time, or an employee with a conscience to spill the beans and it will be all over but the shout.

When the American people watch the hearings on TV and see the State Dept and IRS personnel testify that they “don’t remember”, it sounds like a cover up. These people are supposed to be the brightest of the brightest, and yet they can’t remember?

While it is true that polls of Obama’s approval may not be moving very much, the polls that affect Democrats in red states are affected. How many red states have to boot their Democrats to change the outcome of the Congress? Not many. These scandals will affect the 2014 elections.

Posted by: George at May 31, 2013 11:18 AM
Comment #366800

The real scandal is that anybody wouldn’t want to fix these government abuses of power so that they don’t happen again.

Posted by: kctim at May 31, 2013 1:01 PM
Comment #366804

Following are a few interesting points made by Rich Lowry in my June 3rd issue of Time Magazine titled “Obama’s Power Outage”.

1. The president broke his sword on a minimalist gun-control measure that he couldn’t get through a Democratic-controlled Senate despite all his rhetorical force, touring the country, and every possible use of the Newtown massacre.

2. The president misread his mandate, in the sense that he thought he had one. His mandate was that people liked him more than Mitt. He didn’t take the House and while keeping the Senate, centrist Democrats running for re-election in Republican states hold the balance of power.

3. Even at the height of his power, in 2009 and 2010, he was largely a bystander to the work in Congress on his own agenda. Now Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid can’t help him.

4. With the President’s agenda flopping, what else besides scandals is there to talk about in Washington?

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 31, 2013 2:52 PM
Comment #366805

Here’s an interesting quote that my liberal friends may peruse to understand why conservatives are so wary of creeping socialism…

“We’ll spoon feed you socialism until you’re Communists and don’t even know it! … We assist your elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of Socialism, until they sudFlashdenly awake to find they have Communism. Maybe not you, but at all events the day will come when your children and your grandchildren will surely live under communism!”

-Soviet Prime Minister Nikita Khrushchev-

As NEWSWEEK put it, “We’re all Socialists Now.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 31, 2013 3:04 PM
Comment #366806

President obama has claimed that he knew nothing about the IRS scandal involving the targeting of tea party and other conservative groups. He claims to have known nothing about the DOJ scandal or Benghazi. It seems that Obama is the greatest know-nothing president we’ve ever had

In hearings before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, it was made known that 118 of IRS commissioner Shulman’s 157 White House visits were made during the period that IRS agents were intentionally targeting tea party and conservatives. In fact, he visited the White House more times than the combined visits of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius and Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano.


Posted by: Royal Flush at May 31, 2013 3:10 PM
Comment #366808

The problem with liberal and progressives is that they are slowly coming to the realization that Obama is the most incompentent boob to ever hold the office of the presidency. He has in large part continued some of Bush’s hated policies, kept Gitmo open, killed Americans with drones, lied about savings in his health care plan, lied about Benghazi, doesn’t have a clue about what his buddy Holder is doing down at DOJ, knows nothing about what his other buddy Shulman at the IRS was doing despite his 157 visits, is not being quite as transparent as promised, still hasn’t even suggested a plan for imigration reform, has not got the unemployment rate to where he promised, has increased the national debt rather than his promised reduction, has watched as the poverty rate and welfare states have grown exponentially, has seen the middle east become totally kaotic and unpredictable, watched as Al-Quaida has had a resurgance, sat by and watched as 80,000 people died in Syria but claimed there was an emergency when 1000 people died in Libya, has done absolutely nothing to even slow Iran’s developement of nuclear weapons, watched as more Americans left the work force than ever before and presided over the slowest economic recovery in our history. But he has played more rounds of golf, had more vacations, and hung around with gangsta rappers more than any other president in history. At this point even Bush starts to look good. And you know they got to hate that!!!

However, he did kill OBL, or was that the Seal Team 6.

Posted by: JWL at May 31, 2013 4:05 PM
Comment #366809

So… Obama has an approval rating of 45%? I see. In a recent ABC poll, Bush had a 47% approval rating.

One can only wonder…

Does that mean the same people approve of both Bush and Obama? ‘Hurray for everyone!’

Or does that mean that just over half of Americans disapprove of both presidents? Maybe. There’s no pleasing some people.

But I doubt that’s the case. I think the people who approve of Bush, disapprove of Obama, and vice versa.

And that implies that a lot of Americans approve of Bush despite 9/11 occurring on his watch, despite Iraq, and despite an economic collapse! Yet they are down on Obama even though he gave the order to kill Bin Laden and has led an economic recovery.

Anyone care to explain why they approve of Bush, yet not Obama?

Posted by: phx8 at May 31, 2013 4:30 PM
Comment #366810

BTW, this is a comment by phx8 to an article I wrote when Fox News was being attacked by the administration and attempted to be de-legitimized.

This is an awful article. The author swallows a GOP talking point hook, line, and sinker.

First, Nixon’s ‘Enemies List’ was compiled to target people, using the power of the federal government to harm them. The harm was to take the form of IRS audits, lawsuits, contract awards, and so on, and that was just for starters. No one- and I mean no one- is suggesting the Obama administration is intending to target Fox News and others with harmful actions or any form of harrassment whatsoever. It is pure propaganda, plain and simple. Frankly, I am embarrassed the author, a supposedly independent Libertarian, has become unwittingly ensnared in GOP spin.

Posted by: Rhinehold at May 31, 2013 4:57 PM
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BTW, that article is here and it is more prophetic than I had imagined it could have been…

Posted by: Rhinehold at May 31, 2013 4:59 PM
Comment #366812

Link? Without context, I can’t even tell what I was supposedly talking about. It looks like I wrote the first line, and you quoted an article using boldface.

Posted by: phx8 at May 31, 2013 5:02 PM
Comment #366814

Obama needs to address ALL three scandals. He’s the President and anything that happens during his administration is his responsibility. He’s responsible even if he didn’t know anything about any of them. Which I’d have as hard of time believing as I do believing Regan didn’t know anything about Iran-Contra.

Posted by: Arkie Redneck at May 31, 2013 5:09 PM
Comment #366817

Rhinehold,
I read my comment in its entirety. I made a great comment! If you’d like to quote me more often, well, by all means. I’m not sure why you brought a previous thread about FOX News into this discussion, but hey, it’s a free country.

Maybe it has something to do with that FOX Reporter, Rosen?

Posted by: phx8 at May 31, 2013 5:37 PM
Comment #366819
Maybe it has something to do with that FOX Reporter, Rosen?

phx8, it wasn’t for you, you will never accept the facts. The evidence is getting clearer that the Democrats, including this administration, are not fully on board with the idea of free speech. We had this discussion the other day. IRS Audits of those you disagree with, violating the first and fifth amendments against the press, etc…

Here was the first paragraph of what I wrote in that article. The one you didn’t like at all.

During the Watergate hearings, John Dean made the press aware of an Enemies List, the top 20 enemies to the Nixon Administration was to be targeted with retribution once Nixon was re-elected. While reading the list on the air, Daniel Schorr was shocked to read his own name at number 17. It was at this time that most Americans really became aware, not just esoterically but in a very real way, of the potential power that could be wielded against the press in an effort to construct an Echo Chamber for their agenda, a way to marginalize and quiet their opposition to allow an administration to more effectively put their agenda in place. Since this time charges of similar underhanded efforts to manipulate the press and other political opponents from the White House have been made public, but none so overtly or so boldly as the Obama Administration’s current hypocrisy against Fox News.

I predicted that the echo chamber would fully form and what we would be left with are two partisan groups yelling about each other from across their little spheres. Facts, reason and reality would have a very hard time getting through them.

I am feeling pretty confident to say that my prediction was 100% accurate, we are there…

Posted by: Rhinehold at May 31, 2013 5:44 PM
Comment #366820

Obama wouldn’t have even been re-elected if Republican and conservative pessimism about him had come to pass as prophesized. It’s one thing to gloat over something that has come to pass, but Republicans have the rather non-productive habit of counting their chickens before they’ve hatched.

JWL-
Most of those visits were to members of Obama’s staff involved with carrying out the Obamacare programs. The Mandate works through the tax code, remember?

Oh, by the way, the next time you complain when I’m saying you’re jumping to conservative conclusions on matters, I’m quoting this comment. You clearly are not taking any skeptical or tentative approach to these matters.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 31, 2013 5:49 PM
Comment #366821

Stephen

You really cannot blame these scandals on Republicans.

You can defend the idea that IRS went after people for “good” political reasons, in this case Obama = Nixon. Maybe true, but not what you want.

You can say it was smart to snoop on journalists, but then what does that make Obama?

My feeling is that Obama just is not paying attention. Indeed, he may not have been aware of any of this. A bystander president is the biggest scandal of all.

Posted by: CJ at May 31, 2013 5:50 PM
Comment #366822
Most of those visits were to members of Obama’s staff involved with carrying out the Obamacare programs. The Mandate works through the tax code, remember?

Awesome, so the IRS was planning implementation of Obamacare programs without the Secretary of Health and Human Services present?

Hmmm, that’s interesting…

Posted by: Rhinehold at May 31, 2013 5:53 PM
Comment #366823

SD

Are you lying or do you work for the White House????

How do you know that those 157 visits were about the ACA? I’m sure some where, but you are implying they all were. Do you have proof???


Posted by: JWL at May 31, 2013 6:02 PM
Comment #366824

It is kinda funny that HHS Sec. was absent during all them visits. Explain that away Stephen.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 31, 2013 6:15 PM
Comment #366825

It must be awfully embarrassing for liberals to have to defend obama against scandals almost on a daily basis now.

I believe obama’s “chicken’s” are coming home to roost.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 31, 2013 6:24 PM
Comment #366834

Not embarrassing at all; liberals have been defending democrat screw-ups ever since the days of Clinton. It’s just something they do and I might say, do it quite well.

Posted by: CasperWY at May 31, 2013 10:30 PM
Comment #366836
How do you know that those 157 visits were about the ACA? I’m sure some where, but you are implying they all were. Do you have proof???

I suggest that you read this.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 31, 2013 10:40 PM
Comment #366838

According to CNN there were 11 visits with arrival times, Warren. That doesn’t mean he didn’t visit more. Besides looking at the dates of those visits I notioed something funny with the dates visits 8, 9, 10 are weird going from 2010 to 2011 and back to 2010 how is that????

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 31, 2013 11:20 PM
Comment #366839

Not only those entries but all the log entries are weird, Warren upon closer inspection. I don’t know how the W.H. keeps their records but IMO they better start doing a better job. Or at least organize the visits by date, or maybe someone just penciled those date in hoping no one would notice the discrepancy.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 31, 2013 11:27 PM
Comment #366840

I’m going to have to side with Warren here, it looks like someone jumped on some information without looking at it closer… If further examination shows something different, then let’s talk. Of course, jumping the information out without looking at it closer will make it harder to get anyone to pay attention if it turns out to be something.

That’s the problem we get in today’s world where people are more interested in pushing an agenda over finding out the facts.

Posted by: Rhinehold at May 31, 2013 11:28 PM
Comment #366842
Of course, jumping the information out without looking at it closer will make it harder to get anyone to pay attention if it turns out to be something.

Exactly true. Republicans made a big mistake by making so much hay out of Benghazi (and ACORN, Kenya, Bill Ayers, Rev Wright etc) that the public hardly noticed when a real scandal broke with the IRS. Aesop told us about a boy who cried wolf once too often, but apparently the GOP wasn’t listening.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 31, 2013 11:52 PM
Comment #366846

Warren

Re Libya, ACORN, Kenya, Bill Ayers, Rev Wright etc

Libya is really not on Obama, IMO, although the cover up wiped out Rice and may end Hilary.

ACORN was a real problem. It was run by partisan crooks and got USG money. It is good it was stopped.

Kenya is indeed stupid. But it is not a widespread as you all say. The left jumps on any reference of weirdos and calls it mainstream.

Bill Ayers was a terrorist and never repented. Nobody should associate with him. I would not shake his hand. The same goes for Rev Wright in the racist sphere.

Posted by: CJ at June 1, 2013 9:03 AM
Comment #366847

Not true Warren, Obama may not be worried, but there are Dem Senators who are worried:

“10 things for Dems to worry about”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/04/18/10-things-for-dems-to-worry-about/

There has been a move for state legislators and governorships to go Republican; so the trend is already there.

Posted by: CasperWY at June 1, 2013 9:04 AM
Comment #366848

By the way, you will notice that none of the 10 points included scandals.

Posted by: CasperWY at June 1, 2013 9:08 AM
Comment #366851

Conservatives hitching their wagons to Issa’s star shows how desperate they have become. Do you conservatives really, really want Issa to lead you? Are conservative ideas so unpopular that you are forced to revert to an ‘all-scandal, all-the-time’ approach to politics?

A slow-motion demographic tsunami continues engulfing the GOP. If all demographics vote in the same proportion in upcoming elections, by 2016 the Democratic lead will increase by 1.4%; in other words, all else staying the same in a hypothetical 2016 vote, Obama would defeat Romney by about 52 -46.

The War on Women- the sustained legislative assault against women’s issues- continues. The 2014 Governor/Lt Governor ticket in VA makes Akin and Mourdock look like paragons of carefully reasoned thinking.

And it also shows in conservative attitudes. Anyone see the recent interviews conducted by Meghan Kelley and another by Greta Van Sustern? They RIPPED into four GOP male pundits for their sexist attitudes.

But you just don’t get it, do you?

The GOP knows it needs to appeal to latinos. But it can’t. In the last election, Democrats earned 70% of their vote, and latinos represent the fastest growing demographic in the country. Contrary to some fervent wishful thinking by conservatives, polls show latinos lean left in their social attitudes. So they can’t afford to pass real immigration reform. But they can’t afford not to, either.

Racism keeps raising its ugly head in flyover country. This coming week, there will be a trial to see if it is all right to shoot and kill and unarmed young black man walking down the street. Because, I mean, if you have a GUN, for heaven’s sake, it should be ok, because… because… Aaaaagh! Benghazi!!!

Well, conservatives could keep writing craptacular articles about attitudes towards the LGBT community, and how conservatives are actually more friendly to gays than liberals, but any hope of appealing to that demographic train left the station some time ago. Say, is it still part of the official GOP platform to pass a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage? Good luck with that.

Well, these are the fruits of hatred and bigotry, and you conservatives have richly earned this harvest. Thanks to the Southern Strategy, ‘God, Guns and Gays’ in 2004, and much much more, your plate is stacked high with just desserts. Bon appetite!


Posted by: phx8 at June 1, 2013 1:09 PM
Comment #366916

Yes, “racism.” It’s either “Bush’s fault” or “racism.” Never, ever, could it possibly be that Obama screws up or Americans don’t like progressive/liberal policies. This constant drum beat of “racism” is getting really, really old. Just stop already. No one takes you seriously anymore when you cry “racism!” everytime Obama screws up.

What little mandate Obama had after the election has evaporated after he went after guns. The “great gun control push of 2013” was Obama’s biggest mistake of his presidency. He made himself look like a petulant little child after he went on national television in the Rose Garden to cry about Democrats voting against his agenda. After that defeat, then came the scandals. His presidency is practically over at this point.

So go ahead and keep crying “racism!” when you lose in 2014. In 2016, what will you cry about when you lose?

Posted by: Joseph at June 2, 2013 11:16 PM
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And as far as gays are concern, really, who cares? Americans care about the economy, jobs, national debt and healthcare. You know, things that actually matter to the majority of Americans. Gays don’t matter. Guns don’t matter. Immigration doesn’t matter. Obama’s agenda is the polar opposite of what Americans actually care about.

It would be nice if your president would take time of his busy schedule of advancing the cause of gay marriage, a path to citizenship for illegal aliens, gun control, and whatever other issue Americans do not care about and work on those issues that Americans do care about.

Posted by: Joseph at June 2, 2013 11:27 PM
Comment #366918

Hitler finds out gun control failed in the Senate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbBZZyL7EJY

Posted by: Joseph at June 2, 2013 11:34 PM
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