ObamaCare still not popular

”’It makes an untruth out of what the president said — that if you like your insurance, you could keep it,’ said Joe Hansen, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union. ‘That is not going to be true for millions of workers now.’” Less Obama friendly folks just call such things lies, BTW.

Thing just will not work out as Obama promised. What did he know about this and when did he know it?

Posted by Christine & John at May 24, 2013 4:48 PM
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Comment #366536

Interesting coincidence C/J, I just finished reading the link you posted and then saw you post it here.

Should the dems lose the majority union support it could spell real trouble for them.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 24, 2013 5:59 PM
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As a disabled veteran, I am skeptical that government will improve healthcare. Having to rely on a faceless government bureaucracy for your healthcare is a nightmare.

I was medically retired from the Air Force in October 2011. I filed for VA disability in September 2011. I am still waiting on that paperwork to be processed by the VA. Congress and the Obama administration has done little, if anything, to improve the VA backlog and veterans are suffering under this unaccountable and incompetent department. It will likely be 2 years before I receive the benefits I earned in combat, which will likely need to be appealed. The VA is notorious for inaccuracy in processing claims. So after I appeal, that will reset the clock to zero and I’ll have to wait another 2 years for the VA to process the paperwork for my appeal. How long will I have to wait before I receive the benefits I earned? 3 years? 4 years? When I die?

I receive the Post 9/11 GI Bill to pay for my education. Just like with disability paperwork, the VA took months and months and months to process the paperwork for each semester I went to school. I would have to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket for tuition or else I would get dropped from my classes; however, the program is much improved now. How has the program been improved? The VA privatized the process. It’s shocking how much faster contractors process the paperwork compared to the VA. My school is paid in as little as 2 weeks whereas it took the VA anywhere between 2 to 4 months to process the paperwork.

I would like to see the VA privatize disability paperwork like they have GI Bill paperwork. Something needs to be done about the VA backlog and the VA is not up to the task of solving the problem. There’s a “Triple D” saying about how the VA treats veterans: “Delay, Deny, & Hope You Die.”

As far as Obamacare is concerned, I can’t imagine a bill that’s thousands of pages long that no Senator or Congressman actually read and was rammed through Congress with no support from Republicans can be good for America. Obamacare is a stepping stone to a government takeover of healthcare, which no doubt is something Democrats want.

Once government does take over healthcare, watch out. You’ll get to suffer like us veterans do. Perhaps the Democrats will model the new Department of Obamacare after the Department of Veterans Affairs. Government truly is a model of efficiency and the VA is the shining example of what the future of government run healthcare will look like.

How can you Democrats claim government is the solution to healthcare when the government does such a piss poor job of taking care of veterans?

Posted by: Joseph at May 25, 2013 1:28 PM
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Joseph,

The disabilility programs in this country have been hijacked. Do you recall seeing all the advertisements for lawyers that will assist you in dissability claims? Well as it turns out nearly every claim for dissability is initially denied, regardless of the evidence to the contrary. This way lawyers have to get involved and the longer it takes to satisfy your claim the more money they make as a percentage of the award. It is how the systems is rigged by lawyers for lawyers in DC. The gov’t doesn’t give a damn about you or your health, they just want to ensure their buddies get a slice of the pie. Just the way it is. Good luck and thanks for your service.

Posted by: JWL at May 25, 2013 2:28 PM
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Although a veteran, I never needed the VA, except for my first loan to buy a house in 1986; however, I did work with them as a client during the last decade, and they were a disorganized disaster then, too. Only one person seemed to know what he was doing. The rest were incompetent, disorganized, and overwhelmed by their jobs.

This sounds brutal, but I suspect part of the problem was that the VA was hiring veterans who were otherwise unemployable in the private sector, and that once hired, they stayed.

But it’s not just the VA. More than once, I have said to my kids, “Remember all those people you went to high school with? Well, now you get to work with them.” And along the same lines- “It is an absolute wonder anything ever gets done at all.”

When we’re in the car and passing a crew doing road work, we play ‘Spot the Worker,’ because invariably only one is actually working while four others stand around.

The sad fact is, there just aren’t that many competent people out there. Most people can’t organize a database, even when it is fundamental to the job, even when it is something as simple as e-mail.

Sometimes it feels a little like that movie “Idiocracy.”

Posted by: phx8 at May 25, 2013 3:17 PM
Comment #366566

How can you Democrats claim government is the solution to healthcare when the government does such a piss poor job of taking care of veterans?
Posted by: Joseph at May 25, 2013 1:28 PM

Joseph, thank you very much for your service. I used the GI Bill to complete my college education in the mid-70’s and it was problem free.

As a member of the American Legion I can tell you that our organization is doing all it can in Washington to help the VA do better for our injured warriors.

Any delay in getting benefits you deserve from the Va is too much delay. And, you’re right; too much political game-playing with people’s lives is unconscionable.

Perhaps it’s time for a huge Veterans March on Washington. I hate that Veterans are used and then seemingly thrown away by the political class.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 25, 2013 3:49 PM
Comment #366567

One other suggestion, based on experience- call. Maybe you’ve done this already, but contact the VA by phone, find the competent person, and then keep calling. Letters and e-mail will probably not work, and voice mail may not either.

Posted by: phx8 at May 25, 2013 4:11 PM
Comment #366568

Two other issues that make the VA uniquely difficult: 1) the sheer volume of veterans who need aid, especially after Iraq & Afghanistan, and 2) the nature of the clientele. Veterans using the VA require a lot of time & attention, because in many cases the veterans need help with physical problems and mental ones. It’s not an easy situation, and maybe I was too harsh in my previous comment, because in the case of the VA, as maddening as it can be, there are mitigating circumstances.

Posted by: phx8 at May 25, 2013 4:17 PM
Comment #366581

This represents how Americans feel about Obamacare:

“It would be a major understatement to say that Obamacare has had a bad spring. Around the time of Lincoln’s birthday, registered voters told Fox News that, by a margin of 6 percentage points (48 to 42 percent), it would “be better to go back to the health care system that was in place in 2009” than it would be “to leave the new health care law in place.” Three months later, as we head into Memorial Day, nostalgia for the good ol’ days of 2009 now beats Obamacare by a whopping 22 points (56 to 34 percent).”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/22-point-margin-voters-favor-obamacare-s-repeal_729123.html

phx8 hits on a real point:

“Although a veteran, I never needed the VA, except for my first loan to buy a house in 1986; however, I did work with them as a client during the last decade, and they were a disorganized disaster then, too. Only one person seemed to know what he was doing. The rest were incompetent, disorganized, and overwhelmed by their jobs.

This sounds brutal, but I suspect part of the problem was that the VA was hiring veterans who were otherwise unemployable in the private sector, and that once hired, they stayed.

But it’s not just the VA. More than once, I have said to my kids, “Remember all those people you went to high school with? Well, now you get to work with them.” And along the same lines- “It is an absolute wonder anything ever gets done at all.”

When we’re in the car and passing a crew doing road work, we play ‘Spot the Worker,’ because invariably only one is actually working while four others stand around.”

This is the problem with ANY government or union business. Call the IRS or SS and try to get a competent answer. Go to your local BMV and try to transfer a title or get tags and see what happens. Go to a city or county department for building permits and see what happens. Federal, state, and city governments base their hiring on affirmative action and/or quotas, and once in a union it is impossible to get rid of bad workers.

Posted by: CasperWY at May 26, 2013 10:53 AM
Comment #366583

“Two other issues that make the VA uniquely difficult: 1) the sheer volume of veterans who need aid, especially after Iraq & Afghanistan, and 2) the nature of the clientele. Veterans using the VA require a lot of time & attention, because in many cases the veterans need help with physical problems and mental ones. It’s not an easy situation, and maybe I was too harsh in my previous comment, because in the case of the VA, as maddening as it can be, there are mitigating circumstances.”

Posted by: phx8 at May 25, 2013 4:17 PM

Don’t back down now phx8, you were correct the first time. Re/ Iraq and Afghan vets; do we have more than we had Vietnam vets, or WWII vets? Are there more or less VA employees now than there were after Vietnam or WWII? I would venture to say there are any more VA employees now.

Why should we be surprised at the incompetence of VA employees, when the IRS, EPA and numerous other government agencies are run by incompetents?

Posted by: CasperWY at May 26, 2013 11:02 AM
Comment #366585

Casper,
The problem of general mediocrity is not limited to government or unions. My daughter recently had a very disillusioning experience in the business world. At one company, she worked as the assistant to a CEO, and found out having the title CEO does NOT mean a person knows what they are doing in any way, shape or form. Come to think of it, the same was true for the company I used to work for.

During the past decade, I worked with HR & IT Managers, some at very large companies. It got to the point where I could tell in just one or two phone conversations whether the person I spoke with would keep their job for long. By the way, the most single competent person I worked with was a wonderful woman at the state university.

Maybe it is the Peter Principle in action… a whole country full of people promoted one level beyond their range of competence.

Posted by: phx8 at May 26, 2013 12:18 PM
Comment #366589

CasperWY,

Contrary to your experience, I have had very courteous and efficient service in recent years from two major government agencies, Medicare and Social Security. In both cases, the follow-up responses from each agency were exceptional.

I believe that part of the reason for my positive experiences was that I took the time to visit each of their websites before attempting to contact the agencies. I knew what information would be needed and the proper offices to contact. As a consequence, when I did need to present some documents in person at SS, the visit was brief, by appointment and the paperwork pr-prepared by SS. On the other hand, if I had simply shown up at their offices, it may have been a long and frustrating experience. But, that is no different than any other major business today. Increasingly, business is conducted electronically. The government agencies are no different.


Posted by: Rich at May 26, 2013 12:51 PM
Comment #366647

Most U.S. government workers are good and smart. The problem is the system in which they work.

Posted by: CJ at May 27, 2013 8:03 PM
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