The list of IRS victims grows

Secure America Now, an NGO promoting U.S. national security related to North Korea, Iran, Israel and Libya, was targeted by the IRS after they made a video critical of President Obama’s handling of the Libya affair. Maybe we here at Watchblog should worry just a little. We are very small fish, but the net seems to be aimed at lots of small fry conservatives. Some people want to silence us or at least chill us down a bit.

All this may indeed be the work of "overzealous" individuals at IRS. But that may be even more troubling. Why would anybody at IRS be overzealous in the pursuit of conservatives? And to say someone was overzealous implies that they should at least be zealous in the pursuit of conservatives. It would perhaps be more comforting if we find that political operatives ordered the harassment. At least we could address that. The alternative would be the prejudice against conservatives is so deep and widespread that even low level guys take it upon themselves to do the deeds.

The power to tax is the power to destroy and the power to harass is very dangerous in a political sense. Richard Nixon had his enemies list and the IRS went after many of them. We thought we left those days behind in the 1970s. Well, the 1970s have returned in many ways. Job growth is slow. People are feeling that the slows is the new normal. Maybe the political use of the tax man is another return to those bad old days.

And yes, some of them hate us that much. Julian Bond, former head of the NAACP thinks it legitimate to target conservatives. Sure, he is a bit of a nut, but he is respected on the left. He just says what many others are thinking. I listened to Howard Dean on the radio today. He is very hateful. There is the free speech for me but not for thee stink about this.

My taxes are simple, BTW, and I really think I have been honest.

Posted by Christine & John at May 16, 2013 6:16 PM
Comment #366039

The only permanent solution to end the ongoing outrages at the IRS is to abolish the agency. There are many solutions that can replace what has become a political tool used by both parties. And, while we are at it, let’s get rid of the education department, USDA, and a few others that only serve the politicians.

I want liberty…not Tyranny.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 16, 2013 6:51 PM
Comment #366042

Of course that list could grow, like epa, housing et al.
The bonus of this shrinking would be that we could pay down on the national debt.

Posted by: tom humes at May 16, 2013 7:22 PM
Comment #366043

Absoutely Tom, these agencies are sucking the life blood out of our economy suffocating small business and middle Americans with regulations and ever higher taxes along with inflating the cost of goods and services used by most of us. These agencies are politically motivated and designed to impoverish us all.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 16, 2013 7:34 PM
Comment #366046

The government verifies the “Peter Principle”…they have reached the level of incompetence.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 16, 2013 7:38 PM
Comment #366047

In speeches across the country, President Obama essentially said that somebody should do something about these guys. How shocked can he really be when people working for him did?

Posted by: CJ at May 16, 2013 7:52 PM
Comment #366048

obama’s “chickens” are finally coming home to roost.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 16, 2013 7:58 PM
Comment #366052

Oh no, we’ve lost our tax exempt status. I guess we’ll have to shut up now.

Oh, we keep it while we’re being reviewed? And we were approved?

Oh, I feel the oppression now!

Look, I agree with the proposition that these people should have been scrutinized no less and no more than anybody else. If we were going to have a review of new organizations, everybody should have been up for review.

You were being unfairly disadvantaged, that much was true, and it was ****ty of those people in the IRS to do that. But groups were not martyred, their existence was never in question, and just about every one of them got the tax exempt status they were seeking.

You are little different in this argument from the kind of people you use as examples when trying to push tort reform. You’re no different than the guy on the basketball court, who jostled, falls down on the floor writhing in pain to sell the foul but is up running around by the next quarter.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 16, 2013 8:25 PM
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This is what Julian Bond said a few years ago. “They are saying if you criticize the president we are going to take your tax exemption away from you.It’s pretty obvious that the complainant was someone who doesn’t believe George Bush should be criticized, and it’s obvious of their response that the IRS believes this, too.”

How stupid do you think it was for him to say this?

The IRS abused conservatives. Some liberal pinheads thought it was even a good idea. Obama is president. The buck stops with him. He claims to be outraged. But it kind of worked to his advantage. It seems a big coincidence that groups and individuals that criticized Obama got harassed by the IRS. It is like Nixon’s enemy list. Were you in favor of that?

Posted by: CJ at May 16, 2013 8:56 PM
Comment #366058

If it were liberal groups being hounded by the IRS under a Republican President, Stephen’s attitude would be much different. The left would by squealing like a bunch of stuck hogs. Since it is conservative group who have been discriminated against, Stephen thinks, “You were being unfairly disadvantaged, that much was true, and it was ****ty of those people in the IRS to do that. But groups were not martyred, their existence was never in question, and just about every one of them got the tax exempt status they were seeking.”

Ah yes Stephen, we weren’t martyrs. Can anyone remember when Stephen and the rest of the libs on WB cried like a bunch of little girls when there were suggestions to stop giving tax dollars to ACORN, NPR, or Planned Parent Hood? I remember..

Someone needs to go to prison over this. The law was broken and people were discriminated against.

Now, the real scary part is this same corrupt IRS is the same organization that is going to enforce Obamacare. With the aid of 16k news IRS agents; who’s sole purpose is to carry out the will of Obama.

Posted by: CasperWY at May 16, 2013 9:12 PM
Comment #366059


It is worse. They were not crying because these organization were losing tax breaks. They were crying because they could lose their government subsidies. ACORN was dependent on tax payer money. It existed only because we paid for it.

Posted by: CJ at May 16, 2013 9:17 PM
Comment #366060

You’re exactly right C&J, and yet Stephen has the audacity to act like its no big deal for conservatives to be discriminated against.

There is more to this than meets the eye:

1. Number one, the media will not forsake Obama over these scandals. They may be upset at some of the things that have happened, but like Stephen Daugherty, their love for Obama surpasses their outrage.

2. There seems to be a move to place Obama far above the fray. He is too intelligent and cannot be expected to deal with such earthly problems. Bob Schieffer presents Obama as a bystander of what’s going on in America, far above the scandals and fray:

“Bob Schieffer shot down comparisons to the Watergate scandal that led to former President Richard Nixon’s resignation: “This is not the Nixon administration, where you had burglars and people talking about blowing up the Brookings Institution. This is more of a case – is anybody home?” [audio available here; video below]

Anchor Charlie Rose seconded Schieffer’s assessment, asserting that the President “seems like a bystander in his own government.” He later stated that “the President has to take control of his own government.”

The truth is, Obama is being presented as some sort of divine person who is not worthy to be involved with mere mortals, and the job of the press is to make sure he stays on this pedestal.

“At times, Mr. Obama comes across as something of a bystander occupying the most powerful office in the world, buffeted by partisanship and forces beyond his control.”

Rush Limbaugh had Obama’s number many years ago:

“This comes from a story, Peter Baker, the New York Times. This is really amazing. “An Onset of Woes Raises Questions on Obama Vision — Thwarted on Capitol Hill, stymied in the Middle East and now beset by scandal, President Obama has reached a point just six months after a heady re-election where the second term he had hoped for has collided with the second term he actually has.

“Mr. Obama emerged from a heated campaign last November with renewed confidence that he could shape the next four years with a vision of activist government as a force for good in American society. But the controversies of recent days have reinforced fears of an overreaching government while calling into question Mr. Obama’s ability to master his own presidency.”

Listen to this now, folks. “The challenges underscore a paradox about the 44th president. He presides over a government that to critics appears ever more intrusive, dictating health care choices, playing politics with the Internal Revenue Service and snooping into journalists’ phone records. Yet at times, —” here’s the money quote, “— Mr. Obama comes across as something of a bystander occupying the most powerful office in the world, buffeted by partisanship and forces beyond his control. … All of which raises the question of how a president with grand ambitions and shrinking horizons can use his office. Mr. Obama may be right about some of the things he cannot do, but he has also struggled lately to present a vision of what he can do.”

Folks, Obama is right where he wants to be in this. Everybody’s writing about the trouble Obama’s in; he’s right where he wants to be. And Eric Holder, the same thing, “I don’t know what went wrong.” These guys are presenting themselves as bystanders. Obama is not even yet seen as governing. I don’t often do this. I am begging you to keep an open mind about the Limbaugh Theorem to understand precisely what’s happening here and the way that we can successfully attack this.

Here’s another story, this from the AP: “Obama Aims to Halt Perception of Passive President.” Very subtle article from the AP. Limbaugh Theorem on display here. At first it seems to be blaming Obama, but once again ultimately they’re saying that all of these scandals are because Obama’s been too much hands off. Now, the opposite is true. Obama is running this show like no other president has. Obama’s hands are on every level here. The IRS scandal, Benghazi, it’s Obama from start to finish, top to bottom, back to front. However, the perception is that he doesn’t know what’s going on, that he has nothing to do with it, that all of this is happening while he is a bystander, like the rest of us are bystanders.

Dana Milbank yesterday, “The Passerby President.” These people in the Drive-By Media are cementing the notion that I have put forth in the Limbaugh Theorem. The way that Obama gets away with this is to be disengaged, or to appear to be, and ultimately not responsible for it. That’s the key to this. He’s sitting pretty. He’s not in any trouble, not with the people that elected him. And that’s what you have to understand. With the people that elected Obama, he’s not in any trouble at all. This is all somebody else’s doing, and the government is so big that not even the most competent, brilliant president ever can control it and therefore he can’t possibly be to blame for it. It can’t possibly be his fault.”

Posted by: CasperWY at May 16, 2013 10:08 PM
Comment #366070

I am watching the House hearing on IRS targeting of conservative groups. Mr. Steven Miller and Mr. George are being asked questions. I have never heard such double talk in my life. It has now come down to the meaning of words. Even though there was a list of conservative groups that were targeted, Steven Miller said “He objects to the word targeted”. The Democrats sole purpose is to protect the WH while showing outrage and they have the full support of Miller an George: and in answer to the Republican questions the most common answer is “I don’t remember/I’m not sure/ I will have to get back with you on that”. The American people are never going to believe this BS.

Posted by: CasperWY at May 17, 2013 10:01 AM
Comment #366071

Miller said this was simply a bookkeeping mistake. Americans were targeted by one of the most powerful rogue organizations in America. People have been threatened with prison, perjury, etc. to the point where they shut down any efforts to create a tax exempt 501; and yet this was a bookkeeping mistake.

Miller absolutely refuse to give a name of the “person” who created the list. Double talk and word definition is the rule of the day.

Posted by: CasperWY at May 17, 2013 10:11 AM
Comment #366073

Well, at least you have the honesty to let Rush Limbaugh speak directly for you, rather than hiding his points behind your own words.

Rush is an entertainer, and a particularly malignant kind, because he’s only an entertainer because Journalists or other commentators could be held liable for what they say.

He’s a coward who makes his money getting people angry.

So, lets go paragraph by paragraph, and respond to you through Rush Limbaugh.

Tell me something: what is the purpose of 2011’s debt ceiling confrontation, or the government shutdown threat that preceded it? Your people came in, saying they wanted to bring back jobs, but where they’ve had any real influence, they’ve only destroyed them. Instead, they have used their power to aggressively promote their agenda. God knows how many red meat personhood bills, or budgets so harsh that Catholic Bishops balked at them, or attempts at repealing Obamacare they’ve attempted.

That’s their vision of an activist government.

So is this persistent scandal-mongering. you, or somebody else close to your views talks about castrating this President. Castration is a very aggressive action to take against somebody, no? The Republicans keep bouncing the President back and forth. They cut his funding for securing embassies, then they turn around and roast him when one goes up in flames. They prevent the passage of a law that would have restricted subpoenas on media organizations, among other things, then criticize the President for not getting to the bottom of leaks, alleging he was at fault even… and then they pounce on reports that he did exactly what they asked of him.

They don’t let his appointees go through, meaning many agencies are under acting or even Bush era leadership, hindering the President’s constitutional power to appoint his own choices for leaders to manage his bureaucracy. They distort his policies, and refuse to make compromises with him.

They not only don’t want him to have control, they take active steps to constrain his control, and then turn around and attack him for being weak or ineffectual.

But a weak and ineffectual leader is not scary.

Thus, what seems to be the Limbaugh theorem. The space of ignorance, aided and abetted by the Conservative media is filled with all kinds of conspiracy theories. The worse is assumed, and evidence can wait for later!

So, Obama gets to be attacked for being weak and incompetent, yet be the bad guy you need.

That’s Limbaugh’s game. He never wants you to stop being afraid, even while you’re making fun of Obama for not being a real man like the Keeper of the Anal Cyst.

By the way: quit using the 16K number. It doesn’t make you look good. It is an estimate, wrapped up in faulty reasoning about the reason for a budget increase, wrapped up in a faulty personnel assumption, wrapped up in a lie about armed agents, Wrapped up by it all being counter to the facts. The IRS only sought out 291 new agents for FY2012.

They only have something like 15,709 agents to go.

There literally are not 16K new IRS Agents.

I don’t like being manipulated. I don’t like people who reason carelessly. Somebody talked about 16K IRS agents, and made them armed, either because they are locked into the same program, or because they don’t care about anything but getting you on their side.

But good policy won’t come of bad facts.

And your fear, your skewed perceptions won’t do you much good. One of the main reasons that modern conservative politicians rely on conspiracy theories, is that if somebody else represents “them”, then you will be asking questions about “them”, rather than them. They will get away with being corrupt, with lying to you, with doing all sorts of stupid things, because you’ll be more afraid of the people who Glenn Beck tells you will put a jackboot through your door, than you will be about the politician who backs the insurance company whose policies would do the real harm to you.

It’s all about misdirection. It’s all about making you refuse your alternatives.

If you want to be free, quit relying on Rush Limbaugh and his like. They’re just another layer of control. They’re the rates who keep the hamsters in the wheel, running in circles.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 17, 2013 10:37 AM
Comment #366074

But groups were not martyred, their existence was never in question, and just about every one of them got the tax exempt status they were seeking.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 16, 2013 8:25 PM

That’s not true, Stephen Daugherty. Here’s just one example of someone who didn’t get the tax exempt status they were seeking.

Chris Good of ABC News reports that Jennifer Stefano of Philadelphia was so intimidated by the IRS that she closed her Tea Party down:

“In the documents that were sent to me, if you did not tell the whole truth by not putting all your personal information out there by Facebook, by Twitter, of your personal relationship with candidates and parties … it could be considered perjury and perjury carried jail time,” Stefano, 39, told ABC News. “That was frightening and that’s why I shut it down. I shut my group down.”
Posted by: Weary Willie at May 17, 2013 10:46 AM
Comment #366076

“It’s all about misdirection. It’s all about making you refuse your alternatives”

Kind of like ignoring the points made about the IRS and instead ranting on about Rush?

Posted by: kctim at May 17, 2013 10:56 AM
Comment #366077

Notice how he attributes things Democratics do to Republicans again?

They not only don’t want him to have control, they take active steps to constrain his control, and then turn around and attack him for being weak or ineffectual.

They distort his policies, and refuse to make compromises with him.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 17, 2013 11:03 AM
Comment #366078

Interesting tidbit…

Apparently the person who oversaw the IRS tax-exempt office during the time in question is now in charge of the IRS Obamacare division…

Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today.

Her successor, Joseph Grant, is taking the fall for misdeeds at the scandal-plagued unit between 2010 and 2012. During at least part of that time, Grant served as deputy commissioner of the tax-exempt unit.

Unfortunately, Sarah Hall isn’t mentioned at all in the IG Report… And apparently there is no need for a special prosecutor. They got this.

Sorry, but in a situation where there is a lot of fear and concern about a very powerful agency doing some horrendous things (and has a history of being used as a tool by other administrations in the past), if you want to really appear that you are concerned about the issue, you would DEMAND a special prosecutor in this case.

Posted by: Rhinehold at May 17, 2013 11:10 AM
Comment #366081

Liberals seems to forget that a government big enough and powerful enough to give them everything they want, is also big and powerful enough to take away everything they have.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 17, 2013 3:35 PM
Comment #366085

Targeting of Conservative Groups Nothing New; Clinton Administration IRS Targeted CWA for Harassment

We had three separate auditors during that time period. Each would get back after a few weeks or months of us submitting two or three accordion files worth of answers. Finally, after all of that, the IRS sent us an end-of-audit letter saying they would accept all 10 accounting periods without any recommended changes - unheard of after a seven-year audit - the day after Al Gore conceded the 2000 election.

IRS Hearings, And What to Expect

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 17, 2013 4:26 PM
Comment #366092

Tell you what Stephen Daugherty; you stop using and Dailykos to prove your points and I’ll stop using Rush Limbaugh.

You blather on about a lot of things; but let’s keep this real simple, “What is the Limbaugh Theorem?”

Do you really know?

Posted by: CasperWY at May 17, 2013 7:26 PM
Comment #366095

The answers given at the IRS hearings were embarrassing.

As a result, one commentator was asked who are the winners and losers for the week and he said; the loser is Obama and the winner is the Republicans in the next 2 election cycles.

When the talking points of the abuse of the American people by the IRS reaches the American people, they will be furious.

Steven Miller punted with the standard liberal answer, “we screwed up”, but when asked if what the IRS did was “illegal”, his answer was “NO”:

He has no problem with targeting conservatives. So, the question is, what did the screw up at and the answer is “getting caught”.

The latest talking points now coming from the left regarding Benghazi, “we are idiots”.

“We’re portrayed by Republicans as either being lying or idiots,” said one Obama administration official who was part of the Benghazi response. “It’s actually closer to us being idiots”

Then we have the comments of Democrat Senator Baucus:

“Senior Democratic Sen. Max Baucus, who recently slapped Obamacare as a “train wreck,” believes that the IRS scandal is just beginning and that “a lot more” damaging information will be revealed, likely at congressional hearings.

“I have a hunch that a lot more is going to come out, frankly,” Baucus, whose pending retirement seems to have freed him up to speak bluntly, told Bloomberg Government’s “Capitol Gains” TV show.

“It’s broader than the current focus. And I think it’s important that we have the hearings, and I think that will encourage other information to come out that has not yet come out. I suspect that we will learn more in the next several days, maybe the next couple three weeks which adds more context to all of this,” added Baucus, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee.”

Don’t you just love it when the world of the liberals begins to unravel. The problem with liberal fantasy land is that sooner or later it runs up against the wall of reality.

Posted by: CasperWY at May 17, 2013 7:52 PM
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Worse is that they are trying to blame the whole thing on Citizens United… They are really grasping at straws now.

Posted by: Rhinehold at May 17, 2013 7:53 PM
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PETA said it’s been targeted, too. Politico reported that Jeffrey Kerr, the general counsel for the animal rights group, sent a letter on Thursday to the Treasury Department alleging that PETA was unfairly audited on three separate occasions: Between 1990 and 1992, from 2003 to 2005 and in 2009.

It’s not just conservative groups, Mr. Kerr wrote in his letter, Politico reported.

“PETA’s harassment by the IRS includes the 20-month audit in 2003 to 2005 and another in 2009, both of which resulted from what the IRS agents admitted — and we have verified from Freedom of Information Act materials — were politically motivated attacks and pressures by members of Congress who were doing the bidding of the meat, dairy, experimentation, tobacco and other industries whose animal-abusing practices PETA opposes,” he wrote, Politico reported.

IRS agents didn’t find anything of concern with PETA following all three audits, Mr. Kerr said, Politico reported. But the group was seriously distracted from its core mission for a period of years.

“[PETA] endured an unconscionable diversion of charity resources to fend off these attacks on its tax-exempt status, which were reminiscent of the Nixon years and tactics more commonly attributed to totalitarian regimes,” Mr. Kerr said, in his letter reported by Politico.

Read more:

The problem is not Obama, the problem is not corrupt administrations. The problem is the power the IRS to deal with political opposition in this way is too great. As a result, we have the IRS being used, since its inception, by political parties of both sides as an effective tool against opposition.

Posted by: Rhinehold at May 17, 2013 8:03 PM
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The presidential administrations of Franklin Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, and, now, Barack Obama have all been caught using the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to target political enemies.

As long as we have the IRS — and the income tax — we should expect more presidents to use their power to silence and intimidate free voices. No IRS investigation or firing of a few scapegoats will change that.

“We must abolish the IRS and end any need for a regulatory agency that snoops into people’s private lives,” said Libertarian Party Executive Director Carla Howell. “We must draw back total federal spending to the level of 1992, which is more than enough to fulfill the government’s constitutional duties to protect our life, liberty, and property. This will allow us to balance the budget immediately, end the federal income tax completely, and give back an average of more than $12,000 to every family in America.”

“We don’t need an income tax, and we certainly don’t need the IRS,” Howell said.

Posted by: Rhinehold at May 17, 2013 8:07 PM
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Unfortunately, many people insist on seeing every scandal in terms of partisanship. Conservatives are aghast, as they should be, at the thought of an IRS auditing groups based on their political views. That is eerily totalitarian. But where would they have been had a Republican administration done the same thing to liberal critics? I doubt the activist groups would be sending out the alarmist direct-mail pieces if the latest Bush were still president.

The best news from the ongoing drama is that people on the left and right see problems here. Let’s use that as a foundation for a renewed civil-liberties coalition that understands that there are many bright red lines in which the government — regardless of who nominally is at the head of it — does not cross. That’s easier to do when one realizes that our supposedly limited government is so limitless in its size, power, and taxing ability that no president can control it.

When pundits complain about excess partisanship, what they usually are really saying is they are tired of all the political fighting. Yet political fighting is good — it’s a sign of differences of opinion and assures that important issues get debated, however clumsily, in the public.

In Sacramento, California, the Republican Party has imploded and there is little worry about partisanship. But the state’s Democratic Party is now engaged in policies so secretive that even liberal-oriented pundits are getting concerned. No one has the power to say no, so the Democrats are ramming through every manner of dangerous bill.

The new health-exchange law shields most contracts under a veil of secrecy so that public money can be dispensed to friends and cronies without the public learning about where it is going. Democratic leaders have embraced a gut-and-amend frenzy — proposing dozens of bills with placeholder language that will be stripped away at the last minute with new and completely different language inserted. This circumvents normal debate and oversight.

This is not a Democratic problem per se, but a government problem. And local governments are arguably even more dangerous to our liberties. In Bakersfield recently, after Kern County sheriff’s deputies beat to death a young father (after being called to the scene for a minor incident — public drunkenness), they grabbed the cellphones of bystanders who were recording the incident. That’s right out of a police state.

Government is about power and force. Many people charged with power over others will abuse it. That’s human nature. Unfortunately, the nation’s founding ideals — limited, accountable government, with separated powers and checks and balances — have been fading away. Government is so big that even the president and the attorney general claim they have no idea what their departments are doing. I almost believe them.

Posted by: Rhinehold at May 17, 2013 8:18 PM
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I am a fan of “The Five” on FOX News. Bob Beckel is a liberal through and through. A Link to his career as a Democrat:

But Bob Beckel is surprising me quite a bit. I’m going to have to revise my thinking that liberal Democrats do not have the ability to reason intelligently. I guess I need to get out more; the only liberals I know are on WB and they fit the category of “idiots” (using their own words).

Beckel is not quite convinced that the Benghazi scandal has legs; but he said if it is found that the administration ordered the “stand down”, it will be big.

Regarding the IRS scandal; Beckel is furious that the IRS would go after any Americans, liberal or conservative. He also believes this could bring down Obama if it comes out that Obama knew or was involved in the targeting of people.

There is a pattern that the left uses:

Joe Biden can say the most outrageous things and he is excused as the “crazy old uncle”, “who is a gaff machine”.

Benghazi was a mistake, and the cover-up by the Obama administration was us being “idiots”, it was a “mistake”, and Obama was not at fault because “government is too big” and he was “involved in other things”.

The IRS was an “Outrage” to Obama, it was a “mistake”, it was the fault of “low level” employees; but it never rises to a planned attempt to target conservatives.

Obama fires the man in charge; and then we find out that Steven Miller is leaving in 2 weeks anyway.

Posted by: CasperWY at May 17, 2013 8:31 PM
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