The college bubble

Despite fantastic success, maybe because of it, the American higher education model is in trouble. We have achieved great things and have the best system in the history of the world. But we have made it very expensive and are bloating it with administration, asking it to solve all society problems and be all things to all people. Something has to give. Maybe colleges need to return to basics.

Let me add a disclaimer at the start. I support the idea of education for its own sake. I spent years studying Greek and Latin, which garnered me no immediate benefits in the job market. My requirement is that study is rigorous. We do these things because they require work and commitment. Anything that does not demand lots of work is just recreation. But when talking about a SYSTEM of higher education, we mostly need to address the practical aspects and that is what I will talk about here.

We as a society are interested in education in order to improve our society. Individuals are interested in education to improve their life prospects. College graduates generally make more money and have higher quality of life than those without. But there are some caveats. It depending on what you study. A degree in petroleum engineering will probably make you more valuable in the marketplace; if you major in something like gender studies, you may actually become less attractive to potential employers.

In judging the effectiveness of a university education, we also need to account for other factors. Do university graduates do better in life mostly BECAUSE of their education or is it that smart and disciplined people go to college and would have done better anyway. Potential employers clearly use college as a filter. They are often less interested in what you really learned than in the fact that you successfully ran the educational gauntlet.
But education is losing some of its investment value.

As I alluded above, all majors are not created equal. If you get a degree in petroleum engineering, it will pay you back and you will be useful to society. Other things, maybe not so much.

If you look at the majors that pay off in the link above, you will find that on the top are rigorous courses that require lots of work and usually lots of math skills. Near the bottom are feel good courses. I wonder about those taking them. People vary in their cognitive abilities and their willingness to work. The distribution of majors is not random.

Any of us who attended college know the "migration". Lots of people start off in the hard sciences or engineering. Over the course of a couple of years many of them migrate to something easier. In my experience, engineers moved into being business majors. Business majors decline into journalism. Pre-med students migrate into "helping professions" or social work. People who really don't have a clue at all end up in ethnic or gender studies.

The humanities are outliers and have a mixed group. There are some who just love history, music, language or literature. You can tell the more serious kids because they also take foreign language and/or math and eagerly write papers. They seek rigor. A larger group is just looking for easy grades. These are kids who probably should not go to college at all. They get neither erudite nor better prepared for the job market, although they - incongruously - develop a sense of entitlement. These are the kinds of kids who occupied Wall Street.

We may have mistaken cause and effect in college and tried to reach too far. We noticed that college grads did better than non-grads, so we tried to extend the franchise. We failed to understand that it was not just the diploma that was the value. It was not like the Wizard of Oz giving a diploma to the scarecrow. Rather, it was that colleges attracted smart hard working people. College adds value to such people. It doesn't do as well with the cognitively or effort challenged. Colleges have developed majors and courses for such people. They get degrees but they have not really become educated.

Now we have a problem. Too many people are going to college who probably should not. It is much like the housing bubble. We have pushed a good thing too far. For too many students, college is just a good time followed by a difficult job search. It has become a very expensive four year hiatus. Actually, these days it take lots of kids five or six years.

BTW - some people claim they are "over educated". It is not possible to be over educated. It is, however, possible to be educated in the wrong way.

This is bad enough, but there is another threat to our educational model. We still use a four year system much like we did for centuries. Now we have to look to lifelong learning, retraining and a kind of an à la carte system, where students might take courses or even parts of course at different places. And we now have lots of distance learning and program learning alternatives. I have been thinking about that too, but that is maybe another post.

Posted by Christine & John at December 2, 2012 7:27 PM
Comments
Comment #357976

I saw the vast majority of scholarship recipients in my first year of college flush it down the toilet by doing what nerds do when left alone from their parents for the first time: stay up late using computers, sleep in the next day, miss the computer classes, fail everything, and go back home after the first year to be back with the parents. In my state (and I suspect a lot of places) you would be guaranteed a scholarship with a certain score on the ACT and no other factor was taken into account.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at December 3, 2012 7:49 AM
Comment #357977

While I don’t see anything wrong with a college education, and three of my daughters have one, I think it’s way over rated.
I’ve had several college grads apply for jobs over the years. It seems to me that most of them just wasted time and money. They spent there time partying and chasing girls, or boys instead of studying for what ever they have chosen to do in life. That is if they even have if figured out. And they’re the ones that think that because they have a piece of paper they should start right off running the company at $850,000 a year or better.
The ones that take full advantage of their time in college don’t very often show up at my place. They go to the big corporations.
There are some jobs that a college education it a requirement. I wouldn’t want a doctor that hasn’t been educated in medicine treating me for a cold much less something serious. Nurses also need to be educated in medicine, as well as pharmacist.
When I have college grads on the assembly line because they wasted their time and money, I have to wonder if colleges should be more selective of who they let in. And who they let graduate.

Posted by: Ron Brown at December 3, 2012 9:06 AM
Comment #357990

Even in the mid 70’s when I was finishing my college degree there were many playboys and playgirls who were in school just for fun. We used to joke that some were majoring in water skiing and basket-weaving.

It doesn’t piss me off when I find students wasting the opportunity for a great education if they are spending their own money. But, when they are spending taxpayer money it is really upsetting.

I was married and finishing my eduction under the GI Bill and had great incentives to do my very best as opposed to my first year in college when my folks paid the bills and I just screwed around having fun at their expense.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 3, 2012 5:40 PM
Comment #357991

Royal Flush
Thanks for your service to our country.
I don’t care if folks spending their own or their parents money waste it. That’s between them and their parents. But I have to wonder if those doing it in college are taking a slot that someone who really wants an education might be able to use.
I know that most, specially public, colleges will almost bend over backwards to admit everyone that wants to attend. But there is only so much room in every college. Existing classrooms can only hold so may students before they become overcrowded and unsafe.
Let’s use a college with enough classroom space for 3,000 students if they overcrowd the rooms. They have 5,000 wanting to attend. Of the 3,000 enrolled 1,000 are only there to party. Even if they’re spending their parents money, why should they be allowed to attend when they’re keeping some of those 2,000 that can’t get in from getting an education?

Posted by: Ron Brown at December 3, 2012 6:35 PM
Comment #357992

Thank you Ron for the recognition of all our military who have served our country in uniform. I was no volunteer and served because I was drafted in 1963. I had a great civilian job and earning big money for the 60’s and I believe my first pay in basic training was $78 for the month. When I finished basic I was stationed at a small Army fort in Queen’s NY. There was a YMCA on the post and to increase my meager income I got a job there making sandwiches and such. When the 1964 World’s Fair started I got another job there as a guard.

The only reason I am giving some detail is because of all the whining I read here from some liberals who think they are entitled to stuff from the government. It wasn’t always the way it is today with entitlements for every group of two or more who petition government for some benefit or other at the expense of working folks who pay income taxes.

Stephen Daugherty is one of the loudest whiners on this site. He tells us he knows how to fix every problem we have but can’t seem to fix his own problems. In Texas we call that kind of person one who is all hat, and no cattle.

I wish we could reinstate the military draft and every able bodied person be required to serve their country in some capacity for two years. It won’t happen as the libs hate the military and believe only fools would risk anything to protect and defend this beloved land.

Contrary to the liberal thinking, all conservatives are not rich and/or born with a silver spoon in their mouths. The great majority of us are middle class and worked damn hard and long for what we have. They will have to pry my limited wealth from my dead hand if they want any more from me.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 3, 2012 7:00 PM
Comment #357998

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/12/01/george-will-closing-of-the-american-mind/

“Such coercion is a natural augmentation of censorship. Next comes mob rule. Last year, at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, the vice provost for diversity and climate — really; you can’t make this stuff up — encouraged students to disrupt a news conference by a speaker opposed to racial preferences. They did, which the vice provost called “awesome.” This is the climate on an especially liberal campus that celebrates “diversity” in everything but thought.”

“Many campuses congratulate themselves on their broad-mindedness when they establish small “free speech zones” where political advocacy can be scheduled. At one point Texas Tech’s 28,000 students had a “free speech gazebo” that was 20 feet wide. And you thought the First Amendment made America a free speech zone.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 3, 2012 7:50 PM
Comment #357999


Whether it’s the ‘fiscal cliff’, fast and/or furious, ‘benghazi bashing’ or the foibles of education, citizens are walking thru a thick fog as it relates to the truth. Some, who know the truth put their spin on it in support of some agenda. Some, who think they know the truth put their spin on it in support of some agenda. Many are just blissfully ignorant. Recently, in talking with an ‘A’ level HS senior who will graduate this spring, I was surprised to learn this person thought the White House was in California.

Some bullets on what I glean from all source info regarding education:

US colleges are the finest learning institutions in the world.

US K-12 education has just disintegrated over the last 30 years to the point where HS graduates cannot do the hard work or master STEM college curricula.

Foreign colleges have made strident improvements and are pulling away from US colleges/univs.

The majority of professors are liberal/socialist and work to instill their ideology in their students.

Professors spend little to no time in the classroom, opting for conducting research work for the corporate sector.

Federal student loans are the reason tuition rates have increased so much and so rapidly.


Federal student loan defaults are in parity with credit card defaults.

Federal student loans have served to level the playing field between the have and have nots.

Fifty percent of graduate students are foreign students.
Foreign students are taking up classroom space from US students.

The US cannot survive economically unless those foreign students graduating from US college/univs are somehow captured for the US workforce.

The US economy can be revitalized thru online education whereby millions can achieve a more affordable college/univ education.

There are millions of ‘hands on’ type jobs that are going unfilled in the US as students are no longer looking for certificates or degrees offering a skill.

From the 70;s it was common to hear that hiring/luring foreign students to work in the US was a ‘braindrain’ on the students home country.

Ad infinitum.

So, congress is supposed to sort this out and give us the winning policy. How would that work since congress created or facilitated whatever problems we have with education?

The ether is compacted with such information re education. It would take a 3rd party w/a diff pol att to sort this out, IMO. REFORM, that is.

I think complaints/debates are useful but I like to hear solutions rendered as part of the conversation.

Education, high and low, is such a bucket of worms I don’t know where I would start. I feel strongly that the admin will bail out college students in default. Just add the cost to the federal debt and proceed to the cliff, etc.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at December 3, 2012 8:47 PM
Comment #358005

Royal Flush

Contrary to the liberal thinking, all conservatives are not rich and/or born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

How right you are. Most conservatives I know are middle income folks and have worked for what they have. They haven’t sat around waiting for a handout from the government.
Liberals like to think we’re mean because we don’t like having our hard earned money confiscated by the government and given to folks that refuse to work.
The fact is every conservative I know doesn’t mind helping someone that’s down. And will use their own money to help them.
Reckon that’s the difference between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives don’t mind spending their own money to help someone. Liberals don’t mind spending conservatives money to support someone.

Posted by: Ron Brown at December 3, 2012 11:36 PM
Comment #358105

Jesus conservatives so many myths so little time. How in the hell do you expect the next generation to have any intelligence when those that raised them were so full of these myths?

Lets start with this one, despite the whining of having it so tough you guys were raised during the boomer generation times and as we all know it was the best of times as far as opportunity and moving up the economic ladder. Better than any other time in history guys!
You greedy self centered bastards pulled the ladder up behind you then laughed and criticized those trying to scale the rungs. Conservatism gutted the GI Bill once the boomers were through it. Conservatism has our children studying to the test not to learn where the white house is. Conservatism made it necessary for both parents to work, after all it took two to catch what was trickling down. It was conservatism that shut down the draft.

So get over yourselves and your foolish bragging about how many hours you worked and how tough you had it, you didn’t. 2 years in New York at a post where your housing food and medical was paid and you still had time for part time jobs is laughable Royal as you tell us of others getting stuff from the government today.

You guys blame liberals for education yet you have attacked and crippled education for years. Conservatives want us to tell our grandchildren the earth is 6k years old. Conservatives embraced the winner take all society and by doing so declared war on the middle class.

Conservatives instead of trying to convince yourselves and others that you walked 10 miles to school uphill both ways look back and ask yourselves why you fell for Reagan and the conservative myths that has been the American ideology of choice the past 40 years. Ask yourselves how we are in the shape we are in if conservatism is such a good thing. You have turned a republic into a plutocracy run by corporate communist. Your fiscal conservatism has left us deep in debt and jobless as your movement leaders have embraced China and its dictatorship. Get over yourselves.


Posted by: j2t2 at December 4, 2012 12:25 PM
Comment #358110

“Ask yourselves how we are in the shape we are in if conservatism is such a good thing”

That’s easy: We are in such sorry shape because we are slowly losing our individual rights. Because of oppressive taxes to pay for government to run and control our lives instead of just running government, as it was meant to do. Because our ‘safety nets’ have become lifestyles.

Use your opinions to dispel the myths you create all you want J2, the simple fact remains that our nation is in this shape because we are becoming just like any other European socialist democracy who spends too much.

Posted by: kctim at December 4, 2012 1:51 PM
Comment #358113

It’s interesting that j2t2 finds my military experience laughable and then proceeds to weave his liberal fairytales.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 4, 2012 5:30 PM
Comment #358115

We are in such sorry shape because there for awhile the Repub’s started acting like Dem’s with regards to spending money. While Dem’s historically, and currently, shove money toward entitlements, the Repub’s started over spending on defense and financing wars.

You guys on both sides want to blame one or the other, but the truth is that both are screwed up. The Dem’s have been since LBJ took office. It is debt that causes problems, j2t2, and regardless of who caused you to piss and moan about my generation, you had better quit the bitching and snap to the fact that you need to find a way to stem the bleeding (over spending) and start the rehabilitation (period of austerity). Unless you win the lottery or have a rich uncle isn’t this the only road you know of to getting out of debt? It is the same for a debt ridden country, isn’t it? Many economists have told us to spend our way out, but how has that worked? It’s bullshit.

Please quit your bellyaching. It is not going to change a thing. Each of us chooses whether we are happy or sad, regardless of our circumstances.

Posted by: John Johnson at December 4, 2012 6:03 PM
Comment #358116
How the hell do you expect the next generation to have any intelligence when those that raised them were so fuul of myths?
You’d have to ask the liberals j2. And just what makes you think y’all have all the answers and conservatives don’t? While I have my ideas of what can solve our problems I know I don’t have all the answers. And so does anyone else that has any intelligence. I don’t care what their political views are. The only folks that have all the answers are teenagers:}. America was doing pretty good when I was growing up. But very few had a silver spoon in there mouths and had to work for what they got. Even though they worked more and more folks were able to afford nicer things. They where able to give their youngins nicer things. And they were able to do it on an average pat check of $40 to $50 a week. But an ugly serpent was beginning to raise it’s ugly head. The liberal program of government entitlements. It born in the 30’s in the form of welfare, social security, ect. It has been growing at an alarming rate with a carnivorous appetite ever sense. It has been feed and kept alive by getting more and more folks to by into the lie that they need the government to wet nurse them. Today entitlement spending eats up around half of the national budget. It eats up about twice as much as defense spending. The only spending y’all want to cut all the time. In order to keep this serpent of entitlements alive the government has to spend billions more it takes in. And has been for the last 70 years. And that j2 is the reason we’re in the shape in in today. Posted by: Ron Brown at December 4, 2012 6:04 PM
Comment #358118
It’s interesting that j2t2 finds my military experience laughable

Read what was said Royal, it is your hypocrisy I found laughable,not your military experience.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 4, 2012 6:09 PM
Comment #358119

Don’t worry Royal Flush. j2 finds everyone’s military experience laughable. Most likely he ain’t ever been in.
But there are a whole heap of folks out there that really so appreciate the sacrifices that our military folks make.
You said you were drafted in 1963. That means both of us were in around the same time. I enlisted in 1964 just after my 18th birthday. For me it was enlist or spend some time [a year] in an institution that I wasn’t to fond of the idea of going to. Twenty years later I managed to get out.

Posted by: Ron Brown at December 4, 2012 6:18 PM
Comment #358120

John wrote; “We are in such sorry shape because there for awhile the Repub’s started acting like Dem’s with regards to spending money.”

There’s a lot of truth to what you wrote John. Reps did begin to spend like Dems and the spending continues today despite our $16.6 Trillion debt. We will easily reach $20 trillion or more in debt before obama leaves.

I quit the Rep party some years ago and now register as an independent. Spending money we don’t have on special interest groups has been successful in attracting votes. Our salvation now lies in the hands of house members.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 4, 2012 6:19 PM
Comment #358121

Ron…you had an excellent reason to enlist. And, serving for twenty years was a generous and honorable decision you made without coercion. I applaud you.

I took my basic training at Ft. Gordon, GA. How about you?

As for j2…well, ignoring him is my decision.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 4, 2012 6:26 PM
Comment #358126

Lackland, Royal. I was enlisting and figured I’d try to learn something other than shooting a rifle at someone. Besides Vietnam was starting to crank up and I didn’t want to take a chance on being put in the infantry. So I joined the Air Force and they put me in SARS and sent my butt to Vietnam.
I grew up about 30 miles South of Fort Gordon.

Posted by: Ron Brown at December 4, 2012 7:19 PM
Comment #358127

Love your story Ron, what an irony. I arrived at Ft. Gordon in November. We would put on all the cloths we had in the early morning cold and by noon would be wearing the bare minimum. I remember all the red clay that stuck to my boots. The Army made a man of me real quick.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 4, 2012 7:25 PM
Comment #358130

That red clay got me a couple of whippins from Momma. When I was 8 the church was building a new addition and had a big old pile of it right in front of the church. The preacher told all us youngins to stay off it. He might as well had told us to climb all over it. Every kid over 2 was on that pile of dirt getting red clay all over their Sunday clothes. A hole heap of whippins were handed out that day.

Posted by: Ron Brown at December 4, 2012 11:51 PM
Comment #358131
John wrote; “We are in such sorry shape because there for awhile the Repub’s started acting like Dem’s with regards to spending money.”

There’s a lot of truth to what you wrote John.

BS John, BS Royal. For a while! My ass, you Conservatives always talked the talk but you never walked the walk. Repubs/conservatives have spent like drunken sailors for decades now the movement followers are just to ignorant of the fatcs to realize it.

Reagan raised taxes but he also spent more than what was taken in. He doubled the debt during his time on office. GHWB tried to deal with Reagan’s mess but was beat up by conservatives for doing so, remember “read my lips”? GWB , enough said. Like they say in Texas Royal, all hat no cattle. Oh I know it wasn’t conservatives it was repubs, please guys don’t bother only conservatives fall for that line.

The repubs acted like repubs! How gullible. Guys get over yourselves and stop with the myths.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 5, 2012 12:29 AM
Comment #358135

j2t2

Reagan and the Democratic Congress increased the debt because cuts never came.

Obama has increased the debt more than RR and more than ALL the presidents between George & George, i.e. Washington and W. Nobody in the history of the world has spent as much as Obama. That is something to think about.

It really is a big accomplishment. It took the rest of America more that 200 years to do what Obama managed to do in only four.

Posted by: C&J at December 5, 2012 4:23 AM
Comment #358140

C&J The beast doesn’t seem to be starving. When do conservatives admit to themselves their intentional damage to the fiscal health of the country isn’t working and step out of the way so repairs can begin?

Don’t worry Royal Flush. j2 finds everyone’s military experience laughable. Most likely he ain’t ever been in.

Ron, Seems you aren’t able to understand what was written either. I don’t find anyone’s military experience laughable. I do however find hypocrisy laughable. So that you know I did serve in the military, although it is just not relevant to the issue here. Why not try to argue the facts instead of ignorant personal attacks.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 5, 2012 9:30 AM
Comment #358156

Thank you for your service to our country j2.

Posted by: Ron Brown at December 5, 2012 1:24 PM
Comment #358164

Doughboy says he still believes in freedom of speech but he should take a look and read what is happening to that right on most of our college campuses. It isn’t conservatives that are squashing free speech, it is his liberal heroes.

j2 finds hypocrisy in something I wrote…wonder what it really is.

Somehow he equates food, clothing, medical care and shelter provided to a member of our Armed Forces as being equivalent to a government free-loading liberal.

He also can’t imagine how I could manage my military duties with two part-time jobs. Not hard j2, if one has incentive and drive. You’ll be astonished to know that I also had time left to pursue fun things.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 5, 2012 3:55 PM
Comment #358174

j2
Maybe you can explain what makes something a myth in your mind.
Is it something someone made up?
Or is it anything you disagree with?
This is important to know if folks are gonna quit with the myths around here.

Posted by: Ron Brown at December 5, 2012 5:17 PM
Comment #358179

C&J,

You make many salient points. Unfortunately I too busy scrambling with grad school applications to comment in detail, but I will say this:

The increase in the number of college graduates has certainly diluted the value of a bachelor degree. Forty years ago, my father graduated; with just a bachelor’s degree he was able to quickly find himself a good job even though the economy was also in a recession. Nowadays, that same job will usually require a master’s degree or a Phd if one lacks the otherwise perquisite decade of experience. There has also been a fundamental change in the way employers treat their employees. In 1973, my father’s first employer ended up investing their own money to train my Dad to do his job. After a few years, they even paid to send him to graduate school. That doesn’t happen as often anymore. If the current employee only has a BS and management decides an MS is needed, they usually will layoff the BS and try to hire a new employee with an MS instead of paying to train the BS if he/she is still young. Right now, the only sensible thing for me to do right now is to go to graduate school first and look for a job later (hence the fact that I am busy right now with grad school applications).

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 5, 2012 6:00 PM
Comment #358184

Many good wishes to you Warren for your success.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 5, 2012 6:35 PM
Comment #358185

Warren

Your time will come. Us old farts are retiring or dying off. Soon there will be a labor shortage and guys like you will be golden.

Posted by: C&J at December 5, 2012 6:41 PM
Comment #358191

Maybe so, but I still worry. There are plenty of baby boomers that have not saved adequately for retirement and may end up working far past retirement age.

I love my parents, but I don’t want to live off their generosity for much longer. My GPA is about 3.3, which isn’t bad, but it isn’t good enough to make me a shoe-in anywhere. I’m going to have to rely on my other talents in order to succeed, which may or may not work. I’ll just have to wait & see.

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 5, 2012 7:05 PM
Comment #358193

Warren

Your generation’s bigger problem is that my generation is going to suck dry Social Security. I worry about this. I have kids about your age. I don’t think it is fair for you all to pay so much more for my generation’s lack of forward planning. You will have to vote to cut our benefits, or at least cut the growth of them.

Re your personal situation - it seems worse than it is. I had a degree in ancient history, which was of negative value in the job market. I got an MBA, which was much better, but I did not immediately find work. I was worried that I would be the only person never to find a good job. But soon I had lots of options. I think the same will come to you.

I don’t know you personally, but you seem a thoughtful and intelligent guy. You know you have to be flexible.

My life did not work out as I planned when I was in my twenties; it turned out a lot better. The fact that I could not pursue my original dream of teaching college worked out into a much better career and I believe a richer life.

Think in terms of skill sets instead of specific jobs. I think that works best.

Posted by: C&J at December 5, 2012 7:24 PM
Comment #358195

C/J wrote; “My life did not work out as I planned when I was in my twenties…”

How true for most of us my friend. I look back over my 72 years and laugh now at all the great plans I developed for my future. Life is never what you think it will be and that’s one reason that life is so interesting.

If one is prepared for success, success will follow. It may not resemble what you have imagined…it may be much better.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 5, 2012 7:37 PM
Comment #358198
Re your personal situation - it seems worse than it is. I had a degree in ancient history, which was of negative value in the job market. I got an MBA, which was much better, but I did not immediately find work. I was worried that I would be the only person never to find a good job. But soon I had lots of options. I think the same will come to you.

I don’t know you personally, but you seem a thoughtful and intelligent guy. You know you have to be flexible.

My life did not work out as I planned when I was in my twenties; it turned out a lot better. The fact that I could not pursue my original dream of teaching college worked out into a much better career and I believe a richer life.

Think in terms of skill sets instead of specific jobs. I think that works best.

I hope you are right. I began college wanting to major in physics & astronomy (my childhood dream was to become an astrophysicist). However, I got an F* in differential equations my sophomore year and I took a cosmology class that went completely over my head (thinking about a hypothetical universe with 5 or more dimensions absolutely frightened me). With this in mind, I decided to return to Earth and pursue another childhood fascination: the atmosphere. So now I’m graduating with a BS in Atmospheric Science and a minor Chemistry. If I make it through the spring semester, I’ll also have a BS in Applied Math & Statistics and a minor in physics. I should be set; many of my peers certainly have it worse than me, but there’s always that doubt that I cannot shake.

In any case, thank you for the words of encouragement (to both C&J as well as Royal Flush). However, I really need to proofread my Statement of Purpose for my graduate school applications.

*PS: I retook DE as a Junior and got an A so things didn’t turn out as badly as they could have. I am fortunate to have supportive, affluent parents who are able to provide me with safety nets when I screwed things up. It’s too bad that others do not have that luxury.

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 5, 2012 8:07 PM
Comment #358211

Warren

You will do just fine. Ten years from now, when you are very successful and established, if you remember me, remember that I told you so.

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Comment #359422

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