Where are Obama's Priorities?

In the wake of super-storm Sandy battering the northeast, for some reason it becomes a test to our political figures and how they respond. President Obama arrived in New Jersey today to examine the damage and make his speech. Mitt Romney has also responded to the devastating storm, and offers his support to FEMA and all of our emergency service men and women. However, that’s not ever enough, or is not genuine, or he’s flip-flopping.

There it is ... Mitt Romney "changed" his position on where he stood in regards to federal emergency response, but once again it is just words taken out of context. How's this for context? Once again, Barack Obama has cut funding and grants to fire safety and medical emergency programs that are always our first responders. How does that even make sense? Obama will be the first person to point a finger at George W. Bush for his reaction to Hurricane Katrina, but a system was put in place for the safety of Americans and Obama is just slowly chiseling away at it.

Yes, our country has been in an economic crisis for about 5 years, and this isn't to say to spend money that doesn't exist. It just needs to be re-organized and prioritized better. If you knew that a hurricane could come through your town like Katrina or Sandy, or a tornado, or a terrorist attack in the building you work in, you'd pray that your local emergency team was best equipped to their abilities. Every year, less and less money is funded to these agencies.

It has come to the point where the International Association of Fire Chiefs are continuously in the works with Congress to prevent further funding cuts. If you ask me, our firefighters, and emergency medical response, and terrorism response, and natural disaster rescue, etc. shouldn't be begging for their funding. Something needs to change. So if you want to call Mitt Romney a flip-flopper on FEMA support, you need to take a better look at what Obama has done to the programs who are there to rescue us.

The budget is available to the public to view at www.whitehouse.gov, so this knowledge isn't a secret. Educate yourself and see if you agree with Obama's priorities.

Posted by bigtex at October 31, 2012 8:15 PM
Comments
Comment #356033

Oh dear, this is SO dishonest. You know very well that pratically every bit of the funding cuts have come by way of relentless Republican Congressional pressure. Since day one all of them were designed to make Obama look like an ineffective leader.

But now, and totally despite that fact, the entire Obama-as-empty-chair meme has been proven to be a broken and dishonest claim — and by one of your own people no less (and to his vast credit; for putting the needs of his people before the BS of politics)!

Gov. Christie: ‘I cannot thank the President enough’

“I think this is our sixth conversation since the weekend and it’s been a great working relationship to make sure that we’re doing the jobs people elected us to do,” Christie said.” And I cannot thank the President enough for his personal concern and compassion for our state and for the people of our state.”

How’s that for having the right “priorities”?

You really should be so ashamed of yourself for this post — even though I’m already aware you’re incapable of shame. But, I’m fully aware that all you really care about in this moment is tearing down Obama in order to elect the most blatantly dishonest candidate this nation has seen in many decades.

No doubt on tomorrow morning’s Fakes and Friends Doocey and Kilmeade and The Gretchen will be following the strict marching orders that demand that Christie must now be labeled an official “RINO.”

LOL! And Happy Halloween! — as that painfully narrow GOP sphere of acceptability becomes like unto the Incredible Shrinking Man!

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Posted by: chanel tote bags at November 1, 2012 4:57 AM
Comment #356090

Adrienne…you are still wandering around in the dark….even when the lights are on. Gov. Christie is not. He knows he is dealing with a Chicago trained heavyweight who always “expects something in return”.

Years ago, Obama gets large grant for hospital his wife works for, she gets a massive raise. They move to D.C. and her job is abolished. Must have been an important one.

Texas Republicans give Obama a hard time and none of the space shuttle orbiters ends up in Houston after they are retired.

This Predident and his Chicago band of brothers are quid pro quo’ers. That is how they operate. Always have; always will.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 1, 2012 7:13 AM
Comment #356091

Adrienne, I haven’t heard any Republicans attack Cris Christy, but since you are a supporter of Chris Christy and agree with his comments, I assume you also agree with these:

“New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, during a speech in Richmond, Virginia, over the weekend, slammed President Obama‘s comment about how he’s learned he “can’t change Washington from the inside” (video below).

In his reprimand, Gov. Christie scolded President Obama for not being able to control the actions of Republicans, reports Mediaite.com.

Gov. Christie said: “If you don’t think you can change Washington from inside the White House, then let’s give you the plane ticket back to Chicago you have earned. I mean that is a scary thing for the President of the United States to say, isn’t it?”

“It shows his arrogance. If he really believes that, if he believes that, then what the hell is he doing asking for another four years?”

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/2012-election/video-new-jersey-gov-chris-christie-attacks-pres-obama-what-hell-he-doing

FRAMINGHAM — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie on Wednesday called Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren “part of the partisan liberal Democratic elite,” as he encouraged Massachusetts crowds to help re-elect Republican U.S. Sen. Scott Brown.

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/10/nj_gov_chris_christie_attacks.html


Or, perhaps your approval of Chisty is conditional?

Posted by: george at November 1, 2012 7:16 AM
Comment #356093

Thank God for the reporters of Fox News who are investigating the murders in Benghazi. The Obama administration has tried their best to COVER UP the events in Benghazi until after the election. The Obama apologists on WB have tried their best to cover Obama’s ass, to no avail. I said two weeks ago, the truth will come out and it surely is and this is just the latest breaking news:

“The U.S. Mission in Benghazi convened an “emergency meeting” less than a month before the assault that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, because Al Qaeda had training camps in Benghazi and the consulate could not defend against a “coordinated attack,” according to a classified cable reviewed by Fox News.

Summarizing an Aug. 15 emergency meeting convened by the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, the Aug. 16 cable marked “SECRET” said that the State Department’s senior security officer, also known as the RSO, did not believe the consulate could be protected.

“RSO (Regional Security Officer) expressed concerns with the ability to defend Post in the event of a coordinated attack due to limited manpower, security measures, weapons capabilities, host nation support, and the overall size of the compound,” the cable said.

According to a review of the cable addressed to the Office of the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Emergency Action Committee was also briefed “on the location of approximately ten Islamist militias and AQ training camps within Benghazi … these groups ran the spectrum from Islamist militias, such as the QRF Brigade and Ansar al-Sharia, to ‘Takfirist thugs.’” Each U.S. mission has a so-called Emergency Action Committee that is responsible for security measures and emergency planning.

The details in the cable seemed to foreshadow the deadly Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. compound, which was a coordinated, commando-style assault using direct and indirect fire. Al Qaeda in North Africa and Ansar al-Sharia, both mentioned in the cable, have since been implicated in the consulate attack.

In addition to describing the security situation in Benghazi as “trending negatively,” the cable said explicitly that the mission would ask for more help. “In light of the uncertain security environment, US Mission Benghazi will submit specific requests to US Embassy Tripoli for additional physical security upgrades and staffing needs by separate cover.”…

Fox News asked the State Department to respond to a series of questions about the Aug. 16 cable, including who was specifically charged with reviewing it and whether action was taken by Washington or Tripoli. Fox News also asked, given the specific warnings and the detailed intelligence laid out in the cable, whether the State Department considered extra measures for the consulate in light of the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks – and if no action was taken, who made that call.

The State Department press office declined to answer specific questions, citing the classified nature of the cable.”


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/31/exclusive-us-memo-warned-libya-consulate-couldnt-withstand-coordinated-attack/

Posted by: Frank at November 1, 2012 8:24 AM
Comment #356099

There are two questions I would like those mavens of fair and balanced reporting…Mr. Daugherty and Mr. Ducker…to answer. Where are the other reporting entities on this? Why is FOX the only one covering it and digging for information?

Would the others be neck deep into this if Bush was the one now in office?

We all know the answers. I would just like for your true colors to show through so everyone can see how totally blind you guys are in, at least, one eye.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 1, 2012 10:32 AM
Comment #356100

John Johnson: “Why is FOX the only one covering it and digging for information?”

They’re not. You just aren’t paying attention. These news sources are reporting new information and angles on Benghazi almost every single day:

* NY Times

* CNN

* NBC

* ABC

The list is almost endless. Of course by “only one covering” we know you mean “only one twisting every detail to smear President Obama.” In that case, yes, Fox News is taking the lead. Fox News asks the tough questions: What on Earth does this mean and how can we blame President Obama for it?

“I would just like for your true colors to show through so everyone can see how totally blind you guys are in, at least, one eye.”

Next you’ll be accusing me of deleting your comments.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 1, 2012 11:00 AM
Comment #356101

And the ones you listed to cover Obama’s A** Adam,

Posted by: KAP at November 1, 2012 11:17 AM
Comment #356102

I always wonder why anyone would bother to respond to Fox News on any serious matter. They are in the business of manufacturing news, not credible reporting. That in itself is the difference between reputable news organizations and Fox. One relies on accurate accounting of facts and events to sustain credibility which retains their viability and integrity in the world of reporting. The other takes those facts and events and manufactures a facsimile of reality that represents what is best for their political cause. They have no one to please but their base which relies on their fabrications which makes them fuzzy, warm, happy and consequently poorly informed. The subject is indeed under discussion at many outlets. I think we all know that when any verifiable quantitive substantial info is available it will be fairly and openly covered by reputable news organizations. Until then Fox’s insistence on reaching out for information they can purposely mold into a negative, regardless of merit, will have to wait.

I know the reality really hurts you guys, but hey that is the result of putting your faith in politically convenient Faux news. Hopefully their brand of mostly baseless contrived political posturing under the guise of so called reporting will go the way of Rush shortly after the likely eventual demise of conservative talk radio which currently is leveraged to the hilt and lacking more and more sponsors with each passing month.

Posted by: Rickil at November 1, 2012 11:21 AM
Comment #356103

Can you delete them over here, too, Adam? You are one powerful dude.

What revelations are those bastions of fairness announcing to the world? The answer? Nothing. They just pass around the info the admin wants us to hear. How many days does it take to research and tell us the truth? The answer? One day longer than it is to Election Day.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 1, 2012 11:25 AM
Comment #356105

And who does have reputable reporting Ricki? surely not the left leaning liberal MSM.

Posted by: KAP at November 1, 2012 11:25 AM
Comment #356107

John Johnson: “What revelations are those bastions of fairness announcing to the world? The answer? Nothing.”

Exactly my point. It’s not news to you unless it makes Obama look bad. Then it’s in-depth, true reporting of the most important kind! What you mean any time you ask this question is why are the real news organizations not reporting the lies Fox News is telling about Libya? I wonder why? It’s a mystery.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 1, 2012 12:13 PM
Comment #356109

As expected, the attacks on Christie have already begun.
Oh how dare the governor have the nerve to actually appreciate what Obama is doing for the state of New Jersey in the wake of total disaster! Up until now he had been considered a good rightwinger who was willing to heap nothing but abuse on the president on behalf of the Romney campaign!

Daily Caller Writer Mounts Despicable Attack On Christie For Appearing With Obama After Sandy

Now, naturally there will be nothing but complaints about the above link and it’s not being a “reputable source” (complaints that reflect the GOP’s ever-shrinking mindset over who and what should be considered acceptable information sources), but it is possible to simply click through on that page to the ridiculous attack article in question.

Posted by: Adrienne at November 1, 2012 1:12 PM
Comment #356112

Adrienne, you faied to tell me if you agree with Christies comments about Obama and the Indian Warren.

Posted by: george at November 1, 2012 1:46 PM
Comment #356113

George, she doesn’t read any prior posts; she just scrolls to the bottom and starts her rants and foul name calling. Forget about her actually answering a question.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 1, 2012 1:54 PM
Comment #356114

In response to your post, Adrienne…you are right. People like me hate the snake oil salesman masquerading as a president so much, we are going to lash out at anyone even remotely applauding any if his actions.

In a quid pro quo relationship, Christie had to say something decent. What was he suppose to say while standing on a stage next to him, asking for more fed dollars ?

Posted by: John Johnson at November 1, 2012 2:01 PM
Comment #356116

John,

“What was he suppose to say while standing on a stage next to him, asking for more fed dollars ?

I don’t know about that. Perhaps when you’re up to your ass in alligators, it’s time to put the partisanship aside and serve your constituents.

Fast forward to about 3 minutes into the video, and pay careful attention from about 4:30 to 5:20.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-31-2012/a-daily-show-tribute-to-institutional-competence

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at November 1, 2012 2:24 PM
Comment #356117
Adrienne, you faied to tell me if you agree with Christies comments about Obama and the Indian Warren.

No, I don’t agree with Christie’s comments. I only give him credit for jettisoning the BS when the people in his state need him to do his job and act like an adult during and after a disaster.
Btw, that you can’t refer to Elizabeth Warren without calling her “Indian” is either childish or racist.

Johnson:

George, she doesn’t read any prior posts; she just scrolls to the bottom and starts her rants and foul name calling. Forget about her actually answering a question.

Foul name calling is exactly what trolls deserve when there is no moderation on a website, as is ignoring a whole lot of BS comments.
You “Johnson” are nothing more than a pathetic troll. And, I’d be willing to bet by your sudden appearance, total lack of facts, and instantaneous launch into despicable flamebaiting on this site that you are in fact an already-existing rightwing troll who has simply added another name in order to double your trolling and idiotically agree with yourself.

In fact, the wall to wall idiocy of so many rabid rightwing trolls has destroyed Watchblog. What used to be in former years a good website where lots of people of various political opinions could seriously discuss politics is no longer good or serious.

So yeah, I’m going tell you idiot trolls to go f*ck yourselves, and I’ll often ignore a whole lot of your BS — but only in order to comment from time to time under some of Jack’s posts (as I’ve been doing for many years), and to read what the few folks on the left who still visit this blog are saying.

Posted by: Adrienne at November 1, 2012 2:47 PM
Comment #356119

Rocky — funny comment, funny clip!

bigtex:

Mitt Romney “changed” his position on where he stood in regards to federal emergency response, but once again it is just words taken out of context.

Mitt has definitely Flip Flopped on this issue, and there’s just no getting around that fact. Here is the context of the flip flop:

Back in June, during a primary debate:

“Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction,” Romney said at a debate last June. “And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.”

Asked by moderator John King of CNN whether that would include disaster relief, Romney said: “We cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids.”

Yesterday:

“I believe that FEMA plays a key role in working with states and localities to prepare for and respond to natural disasters,” Romney said in a statement supplied by his campaign Wednesday. “As president, I will ensure FEMA has the funding it needs to fulfill its mission, while directing maximum resources to the first responders who work tirelessly to help those in need, because states and localities are in the best position to get aid to the individuals and communities affected by natural disasters.”

Wednesday’s statement came after the candidate ducked a spate of opportunities Tuesday to personally clarify his position and the statement essentially endorsed the current disaster aid system.

Link:
Mitt Romney Disaster Relief Position Faces Scrutiny

Posted by: Adrienne at November 1, 2012 3:15 PM
Comment #356122

Adrienne

“Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction,” Romney said at a debate last June. “And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.”

He was right then and he is right now. This does not preclude a Federal response, but most of the response needs to be local, followed by state and most of the recovery will depend on the private sector.

The celebrity politicians tours do little to actually help. I recall when Mitch hit central America. Tipper Gore went down to “help”. The locals had cleaned out a local street. When Tipper showed up, they had to drop off a pile of sand so that Tipper could toss a few shovels for the TV cameras. I expect similar things are going on now with Obama.

BTW - flattered that you want to write under our posts.

Posted by: C&J at November 1, 2012 3:38 PM
Comment #356123

Adrienne…I’m just trying to help you guys, who are into neck nuzzling and rubbing each others briskets, snap out of your myopic, trance like state of denial. You want anyone who comes in and disrupts your little lovefest to get lost. Not going to happen. I’m going to counter every goofy thing you post with the truth, whether you like it or not.

One of these days, you’ll thank me.

1. Do you understand now how the quid pro quo stuff works?
Do you understand why the New Orleans mayor and Louisiana 2. Governor caused most of Katrina’s evacuation problems…not FEMA.
3. Do you understand how all departments of the federal government are overstaffed and underachieving, and how fraud and misuse of funds is rampant?

You have to get these facts absorbed before we can move forward.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 1, 2012 3:45 PM
Comment #356126

“I’m going to counter every goofy thing you post with the truth something even goofier, whether you like it or not.”

Aw shucks.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at November 1, 2012 3:55 PM
Comment #356129
The celebrity politicians tours do little to actually help.

That is the opposite of how Christie has characterized it. This is what the governor said on the 30th to the media:

“I am not going to play politics with this issue, this is so much bigger than an election. When someone asks me an honest question, I give an honest answer: ‘How’s the president been to deal with?’ He’s been outstanding to deal with on this. And I look forward to seeing him tomorrow so he can see for himself, what this hurricane has done to my state.”
“The federal government’s response has been great. I was on the phone at midnight again last night with the president, personally, he has expedited the designation of New Jersey as a major disaster area.
“the president has been all over this and deserves great credit. He gave me his number at the White House and told me to call him if I needed anything.”
“Last night, I was on the phone with FEMA at 2 a.m. this morning to answer the questions they needed answered to get that designation and the president has been outstanding in this. The folks at FEMA, [Administrator] Craig Fugate and his folks have been excellent.”

On the 31st, another response to the media:

“The President was great last night. He said he would get it done. At 2 a.m. I got a call from FEMA to answer a couple of final questions, and he signed the declaration this morning. So I have to give the President great credit. He’s been on the phone with me three times in the last 4 hours. He’s been very attentive, and anything I’ve asked for, he’s gotten to me. So I thank the president publicly for that. He’s done, as far as I’m concerned, a great job for New Jersey.”

Again on the 31st, from a USAToday article:Obama, Christie laud ‘working relationship’ on storm

Christie, normally an outspoken critic of Obama’s policies, praised his leadership during Hurricane Sandy, saying the president “sprang into action immediately,” and has exhibited “concern and compassion” for the residents of New Jersey and the northeast. “It’s been a great working relationship,” Christie said.

And today Christie said this (video):

Chris Christie on Obama: ‘The president and I are big boys’

I realize that Republicans may hate that Christie has been saying these things because it completely ruins the “Obama can’t do anything right” claims that have been endlessly repeated, but in disaster situations like this, leadership and cooperation is exactly what the American people want and expect.

Posted by: Adrienne at November 1, 2012 4:28 PM
Comment #356130

Touche’ Rocky, and Adrienne, your patience is commendable. These idiotic trolls we have been exposed to, get no sense of accomplishment out of writing anything decent or resembling the truth. There are very few of us left hanging in here, and only by the sheer act of trying to preserve a long-time place of conversing without blatantly hateful and ignorant ‘contributors’. You know, it makes me almost wish to see David appear again!!!!

Posted by: jane doe at November 1, 2012 4:37 PM
Comment #356135

Jane, as I heard in a movie once, “You don’t really want the truth”.

All of you involved in the lovefest here, don’t want anyone running a cogent point by you for objective consideration. If it doesn’t mirror your Daily Kos inspired point of view, the poster is called a liar. I can take it…without resorting to being obscene.

This reminds me of a church group whose primary purpose is to convince non-believers to join them, only to get pissed off and stomp out when they find a stranger sitting in their regular spot on the end of the third pew.

In-breeding produces weak genes and bad traits. The outside, worldly influence is going to make you and your partners better, stronger people.

Please hold you “thank you’s”.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 1, 2012 5:18 PM
Comment #356138

John Johnson,
I was in New Orleans when Katrina hit. I was in the evacuation. And when you say the problem was with the state and local government, and not FEMA, I know for an absolute, categorial fact that you are lying.

I was there. When I arrived in NO, I went past the Superdome. At that point the path of Katrina was still uncertain, but even then I knew the Superdome was a possible place to go should the hurricane hit. I did not want to go there. (I was in a very old house, and well supplied. If the hurricane hadn’t been so big, I would have stayed. As it turned out, the house was fine except for losing some shingles). Andyway, the warnings about Katrina in 24 hours prior were everywhere. The police went door-to-door in the neighborhood where I was staying, advising people to evacuate. Leaving went smoothly for me, and I only experienced the outer bands of the storm. Even that made life difficult. Communications went down because cell phones didn’t work.

New Orleans was inundated. Communication networks were destroyed. State and local officials were completely overwhelmed. The size and scope of the problem made local and even state response nearly impossible.

Once the hurricane hit, only one organization had the ability to coordinate and respond- FEMA and federal agencies. Only they possessed functioning networks and resources beyond the devastation of the hurricane.

And they failed to respond.

The Coast Guard was awesome.

And when I hear people like you lie, and trot out your little FOX News talking points to try and justify your failed conservative philosophy, I feel obliged to call you out, regardless of what name you choose to post under.

Posted by: phx8 at November 1, 2012 5:38 PM
Comment #356139

John Johnson, I have been on WB for some time and when Adienne makes this statement:

“In fact, the wall to wall idiocy of so many rabid rightwing trolls has destroyed Watchblog. What used to be in former years a good website where lots of people of various political opinions could seriously discuss politics is no longer good or serious.”

She is refering to the days when a certain flaming liberal, who called himself an independent by the name of David R. Remer, usd to kick anyone off WB that disagreed with his idealogy. He finally moved on to create his own blog site called Discuss America, where he spends his days talking to himself.

You will notice Jane Doe mentioning him:

“You know, it makes me almost wish to see David appear again!!!!”

I’m sure the libs would love to go back to the days when tey patted each other on the back for making such intelligent comments. They are not used to the truth. They live in this fantasy world.

Posted by: Billinflorida at November 1, 2012 5:38 PM
Comment #356142

Billetc…… I’m not sure just what you feel you can see and comprehend, as with your like-minded troll buddies, when the only view you have is through your posterior.

Posted by: jane doe at November 1, 2012 5:46 PM
Comment #356143

I feel sorry for the libs; their world has been turned upside down. First, they had the big 3 medias speading their propaganda to the public for some 60 years on TV. Then came Ted Turner’s CNN, which they loved; who spread the socialist agenda and anti-war, anti-military BS to the multitudes. Finally, Al Gore invented the Internet and Fox News came into existance, and Katy bar the door. The information highway to the truth, and the truth will set you free. This is why there is so much hatred for Fox News and Conservative Radio and Web sites. In the words of another great black man, “Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, I’m free at last”. We are seeing the death throws of liberalism and the green religion.

Posted by: Frank at November 1, 2012 5:48 PM
Comment #356147

Bill,

Regardless of what you think about Remer, he did keep at least a semblance of order, and usually things didn’t devolve into the personal partisan WWE right-wing slug-fest that seems to now be the norm.
What ever his political persuasion David removed people that stepped over the line. I was booted twice, and I deserved it. Jane, and Adrienne both also have been removed.

So please don’t try to tell us that Remer “was a flaming liberal that kicked anyone off WB that disagreed with his ideology” because that’s just pure crap.

It seems the fantasy is yours.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at November 1, 2012 6:07 PM
Comment #356148

Rocky, Your right Remer did keep some sembalence of order but he was just as left wing as Adrienne and Jane although he said he was an independent, and if you go far enough in the archives he did first write in the blue column. He was like Adrienne and Jane except for the language, if you didn’t agree with him you were no good.

Posted by: KAP at November 1, 2012 6:17 PM
Comment #356149

Adrienne

Re celebrity tours - I like Christie, but he is still a politician. They all do these tours. It helps their political prospects.

Think about it from your own work. Say you have a big problem on your work floor. Does the big boss showing up help of hinder your ability to address it?

I am not saying the president is a stupid man, or dishonest. But he cannot and should not know the details of the relief efforts. He should trust his people on the ground, who know more about the job and more about the conditions than he does.

The president did the right thing by saying that he would clear up the red tape (which he won’t really be able to do but it is good that he is trying). He should have left it at that and not show up on the ground where he cannot add value at this time.

Rocky

Re David - He never kicked me off and I don’t think he agreed with most of my ideology.

Posted by: C&J at November 1, 2012 6:19 PM
Comment #356151

Well, I don’t know where to start. I come over to comment on the conservative side of the ledger because the kid threatened to censor my comments or block them altogether over there. Now phx8 has followed, right along with Jane.

I guess you missed my post the other day when I described what happened in Louisiana, phx8. I was there, too. I bought a container load of Microban to spray down my friend’s food production plant and others’ homes. I also worked with Plaqumines Parrish to get food into the Venice area. I ate in some food lines. I watched. I listened. The mayor of NO had no contingency plans whatsoever…nor did the governor. They were too stupid to use what they had available. They sat on their thumbs until Momma FEMA came to their aid. FEMA had their screw ups, but the problems began with not using every school bus available to get people out of the city instead of allowing them to sit parked in a lot and wait for the water to cover them up. Ignorant ineptitude.

Thank you, Bill, for sharing the David story and how it relates to Jane’s post. Little kids don’t want to go to the doctor, loons don’t want to see a shrink, and the neck nuzzlers here don’t want to take the cure. We can’t give up on them. We have persevere until they see the light.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 1, 2012 6:43 PM
Comment #356158

John Johnson: “I come over to comment on the conservative side of the ledger because the kid threatened to censor my comments or block them altogether over there.”

Did he really? Or are you just paranoid?

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 1, 2012 7:54 PM
Comment #356159

I’m scared to death of you guys. You can censor me anytime you want to. You guys are powerful, Ducker…you, the kid, and Putin.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 1, 2012 8:06 PM
Comment #356162

John Johnson:

All joking aside, I’m pretty interested in knowing if anyone deleted your comment, threatened to delete, or if you just made the whole thing up because you glitched.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 1, 2012 8:48 PM
Comment #356170

Jane, I agree with you that watchblog has devolved since David left. I still stop by to see what is going on from time to time. I don’t generally hang around long because I quickly grow tired of the relentless back and forth of references that is no longer any different than any other hate filled blog that relies more on spoon fed pablum than actual fact. I used to recommend this site to people who were interested in respectable conversation with considerate well informed intelligent individuals who recognize each other as fellow humans. Not an either or entity with no sense of the fact that we are all in this together and do all indeed share the same genes. I no longer recommend this site to anyone. I do still enjoy following the thoughts of a few of the more balanced and knowledgable old timers who continue on despite the ridiculously absurd parsing that never sees to move beyond perpetual accusation.

Posted by: Rickil at November 1, 2012 9:35 PM
Comment #356172

Kap, there are at least a few news organizations that still rely on credibility to sustain a level of respect which equates to sustained income. Believe it or not there are people who prefer balanced well researched non opinionated news that is based on fact. Not a manufactured version of what a particular entity prefer they believe. Romney IMO is probably the sleaziest candidate for president that I have had the displeasure to view in my lifetime. Fox supports, even seems to applaud and encourage that sleaze, while disingenuously behaving as though it does not exist. That IMO makes them the worse of the worst. They are not a news organization. They are a politically motivated wealth owned brain washing institution which manufactures situations that keep their viewership happy while maintaining a voting base that is seemingly incapable of individual calculated thought.

Posted by: Rickil at November 1, 2012 10:00 PM
Comment #356179

Well Rickil, IMO all the MSM are biased, a better portion of them lean Democrat, yes even Fox is somewhat biased but at least they have a better proprotion of both sides then say MSNBC. As far as sleaze goes, I’ve seen some pretty sleazy adds the left has put out. Maybe or maybe not Obama has had something to do with them, I don’t know. By the way have you watched Fox? I find more sleaze comming from MSNBC then I do from Fox, especially from the likes of Matthews, Schultz and the so called and I use the term losely Rev. Sharpeton. CNN not so mkuch at least from what I have seen.

Posted by: KAP at November 1, 2012 10:21 PM
Comment #356180

Rickil:

Believe it or not there are people who prefer balanced well researched non opinionated news that is based on fact. Not a manufactured version of what a particular entity prefer they believe.

Yes, this is the most serious problem with the GOP these days — that they don’t like dealing in facts. Most especially facts that directly confront their ideologies and prove them to be bogus and nonsensical. And unfortunately, they will go far out of their way in an attempt to suppress these facts, too.

Case in point, reported yesterday:

Congressional Research Service Report On Tax Cuts For Wealthy Suppressed By GOP

The New York Times reported on Thursday that Senate Republicans applied pressure to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) in September, successfully persuading it to withdraw a report finding that lowering marginal tax rates for the wealthiest Americans had no effect on economic growth or job creation.

Also from the link:

The results of the analysis suggest that changes over the past 65 years in the top marginal tax rate and the top capital gains tax rate do not appear correlated with economic growth. The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment, and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie.

However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution. As measured by IRS data, the share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top 0.1% fell from over 50% in 1945 to about 25% in 2009. Tax policy could have a relation to how the economic pie is sliced—lower top tax rates may be associated with greater income disparities.

Posted by: Adrienne at November 1, 2012 10:22 PM
Comment #356181

Jack, you didn’t watch that video link of Gov. Christie speaking today I put up earlier, did you?
Go watch it, and tell me if you really think he was just speaking for political purposes.
Because I don’t think he was — I think the Governor was speaking from the heart. And I say that as someone who really doesn’t like the governor’s political views.

Posted by: Adrienne at November 1, 2012 10:30 PM
Comment #356183

Adrienne

I think he believes it. They often are true believers. Most politicians are patriots. The problem is that they overestimate their own power and ability to add value. They fail to understand the systemic barriers.

I say this in sorrow. I wish they could make things right. But in our complex world, they cannot. Many times, things work poorly not despite their best efforts but because of them.

Political leaders have a great part in our democracy. But all leaders need to know when to let their people have the power and autonomy. It is truly a difficult balance. Good leaders strive to be indispensable, honest and competent. Great leaders strive to make themselves redundant, as the people they lead are empowered to solve their own problems.

The infrastructure of recovery is in place. Leaders need to let it work and strive to make the mechanisms better w/o interfering with the implementations.

Posted by: C&J at November 1, 2012 10:48 PM
Comment #356184

Adrienne, You go and Bash the GOP for not dealing in facts and you come up with left leaning sources to prove your point, You bash Fox and Rush, yet you link to the most biased left wing sources I’ve ever seen. At least if I link or quote something I’ll goopgle and find a non partisian source.

Posted by: KAP at November 1, 2012 10:51 PM
Comment #356185

Rickil…where have you been hanging out? Maybe I need to go there and introduce objectivity and deductuve reasoning, just like I am trying to do here.

It’s tough being called a liar everytime I disagree with one of the neck nuzzler’s here, but I’m going to suck it up and keep plodding on…even though I might be censored and/or banished from these halls forever. That ever happened to anyone here?

The reasons that I do not like or respect our President are many. They are not based on lies. They are fact.

President Bush dropped a big turd in Obama’s punch bowl…not doubt about it. The two of them together came up with a bailout plan. It was expensive. Our debt has doubled, but since then the boneheaded moves O has made have turned me against him.

He appoints the head of General Electric, one of the largest exporters of U.S. jobs, to the Federal Reserve Board.

He gives banks billions, but does not dictate that the money be used for loans to stimulate the economy. The banks are not loaning; have not been loaning. They used the money instead to play the stock market and hedge on oil. O’s own market oversee’er, Bart Chilton, says that this hedging on crude has added up to $14 to a tank of gas.

He gives billions to private companies that are destined for failure…one of which is a car company making cars in Scandanavia, I believe.

He spends his first two years, with Dem’s controlling both houses, pushing through a controversail healthcare plan instead of creating jobs. When he lost control of the House, he has chosen to say he can’t get anything done. Plenty of Presidents have been able to in similar siutations, but not this one. It is everyone else’s fault.

The job plans he has proposed revolve around more policeman, more firefighters, more teachers and more public work projects. All would require the taxpayers picking up the payroll, not private enterprise. I hope you can see what this does not help. Why don’t we all just hand money out of our pocket to someone out of a job instead of running it through the federal government first. This is about what his plans amount to. GNP would not go anywhere.

SEAL’s kill bin Laden, but all I hear is “I and me”…this and leaked details to further embellish the story. When the SEAL’s version is released, there are all sorts of holes shot in the “offical” report initially given.

The tragedy in Libya happened almost three weeks ago. There were a limited number of people involved in communications transpiring during the actual attack. Some White House, some State Department, some CIA, some on the ground in Bengazi. Considering the importance of clearing the air and showing total transparency, what is taking so long? The details of the bin Laden raid were almost instantaneous.

I could go on, but you get the gist of where I am coming from. Have I stated any lies? Do you and your liberal friends see any reason why some might not what to see Obama for another four years? Any at all…just a teenie, weenie bit? Just a smidgen? If so, there is hope for you. If not, we will have to continue your lessons.

All except for Adrienne…she’s not welcome back until she apologizes for being rude to the teacher.


Posted by: John Johnson at November 1, 2012 10:56 PM
Comment #356188

One other thing…how’s all that love Obama and Christie shared for FEMA working out tonight. Am I the only one hearing about the angry people that haven’t seen anyone with any water or food for them yet? It will get nastier before it gets better. It makes no difference that everyone was asked to evacuate and didn’t. It is always someone else’s fault…like in New Orleans.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 1, 2012 11:31 PM
Comment #356191
Finally, Al Gore invented the Internet and Fox News came into existence, and Katy bar the door. The information highway to the truth, and the truth will set you free.

Ya know Frank it is easy to pick on this comment as being the most foolish of the many conservative comments on this thread as it is, hands down, amongst the most foolish in recent memory. However it seems John is competing with you, trying as hard as he can, no doubt, to make his mark here on WB.

First of all, one name Father Coughlin.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/compare-and-contrast-glenn-beck-and

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/feb/02/far-right-glenn-beck

Second Rush Limbaugh, although not a Faux news trooper he is still the shining example of conservative movement leaders ability to make people like you and John look like complete idiots.

http://cursor.org/stories/fascismi.php

As for your ridiculous inclusion of Faux news and truth in the same paragraph it is laughable. First of all Faux news supporters would not recognize truth if it bit them on the ass. Try as you may to legitimize Faux news the fact is they are the propaganda arm of the republicans and unworthy of being considered as a real news organization in more intelligent countries.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/276-74/5123-fox-news-lies-keep-them-out-of-canada

So historically speaking the fascist have attempted before what Faux has been attempting the past two decades. It is nothing new, except to people like you and John who do not have the ability to use reason and critical thinking skills. You do a disservice to your country. When I make comments about conservatives of today and the German people of the late 20’s/early 30’s it is people like you that I am thinking of.


See what I mean Frank, here’s is but one of John’s foolish comments in this thread.

I’m just trying to help you guys, who are into neck nuzzling and rubbing each others briskets, snap out of your myopic, trance like state of denial. You want anyone who comes in and disrupts your little lovefest to get lost. Not going to happen. I’m going to counter every goofy thing you post with the truth, whether you like it or not

John coming from a Koch sucker like you I find it hilarious that you believe you would recognize the truth if it were to present itself to you. It seems to me that conservatives like yourself rely upon misinformation half truths and outright lies from Faux and other conservative sites for your world views. They have been discredited many times yet you persist in your delusions.

You make this outlandish claim yet have as of yet been unable to do what you claim. You have not made a truthful comment. Like most conservatives you are all hat no cattle.


Posted by: j2t2 at November 2, 2012 12:44 AM
Comment #356192

John here is a bit of truth for you from your conservative movement leadership, don’t choke on it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/01/congressional-research-service_n_2059156.html

Ya know sooner or later you will realize you have been chumped by these guys, the question is will you recognize it without Rush or Sean or Faux telling you what to do.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 2, 2012 12:56 AM
Comment #356195

KAP, why don’t you ignore what I write, mmmkay? Just assume whenever you see my name that whatever sources I link to aren’t going to be considered acceptable to you.

At least if I link or quote something I’ll goopgle and find a non partisian source.
Oh please. I honestly can’t remember when you’ve ever linked to a page, or quoted from a source. Face it, you’re not an information gather or fact finder. You’re merely a critic of other people’s information gathering and fact finding.

j2t2,
You and I linked to the same story. Typical and darkly funny isn’t it? That the right tried to suppress an in depth, non-partisan study proving their trickle down theory is nothing but garbage. As if the American people not being able to see that it would keep us from noticing what’s already crystal clear and obvious!

All — how much you want to bet that “Frank” and “Johnson” are the same troll spouting non-stop BS?

Posted by: Adrienne at November 2, 2012 1:56 AM
Comment #356203

J2t2….if you want to debate someone, please try and stay on topic. Your HuffPost link takes the reader to a piece on Repub tax breaks for the wealthy. It is a pertinent subject, but never one you’ve seen me address. I happen to approve of upping the taxes on wealthy and decreasing Medicare benefits to same. I happen to think Romney will move more toward the middle once elected, and with tax reform and his closing tax loopholes, this will be accomplished. He will have to slide to the middle in order to get things off high center in Congress.

I would also point out to you that the word “liar” is a harsh word, and will not win you many friends. I prefer to just tell someone that they are not being objective and are overlooking the truth.

Adrienne is wandering around in the dark. She gets all excited about how you two are on the same course, and how she longs for the good old days when her little world was void of trolls. I would like to welcome her to the real world, and tell her that in order to be well versed, it is important to read and listen to the news being broadcast from all sources with an open mind and use deductive reasoning to reach an educated point of view. There is no debating that reporting is biased from both sides, so I would suggest that she lick the bait at the end of both lines first before swallowing the hook. The same goes for the rest of you in the class.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 2, 2012 7:59 AM
Comment #356204

Adrienne, O I read your links, they read like MSNBC’s Shultz and Sharpton. You don’t comment on every post and neither do I so you probably haven’t seen those comments.

Posted by: KAP at November 2, 2012 8:07 AM
Comment #356205

At 10:56pm, I listed many of the reasons I don’t want to see O re-elected. The two retorts since then address none of them. They don’t call them lies, just me a liar. This type of written debating style will get you a failing grade.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 2, 2012 8:11 AM
Comment #356227
At 10:56pm, I listed many of the reasons I don’t want to see O re-elected. The two retorts since then address none of them. They don’t call them lies, just me a liar. This type of written debating style will get you a failing grade.

That’s precious from someone spouting off about neck nuzzlers and being the teacher and such. Your 10:56 comment has nothing but misinformation half truths and outright lies from Faux and other tainted sources like I said earlier, why bother to respond. Come up with something real.

Your 7:59 comment is also worthless IMHO. Our link shows conservatives in Congress at work thwarting the efforts of Obama as he tries to raise revenue to cut the deficit. Which if I am not mistaken is what the title of this thread is wondering and therefore right on topic, teacher.

It seems to me John that you are the one that needs to go back to school. Your repeating of extremist conservative talking points shows you do not practice what you preach.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 2, 2012 12:43 PM
Comment #356238

You’re ducking and weaving, j2t2. I listed specific reasons why I did not vote for Obama. They are valid. You might not like them, but they are valid.

When you don’t know quite how to respond to a debate opponent’s statements, here’s a hint…don’t generalize and say, “your comment has nothing but misinformation half truths and outright lies…”. You need to be specific. What was a half truth? What was an outright lie? You can’t win anyone over by using this type of weak response.

I’ll give you a “do-over” before I grade your effort.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 2, 2012 2:10 PM
Comment #356247
You need to be specific

John this is all rehashed nonsense you are spouting.

Face it it was under the current commander in chief that Bin Laden was killed. Obama is the current CIC. You are grasping at straws when you try to get around this simple fact with the nonsense about the Seals.

Immelt is not on the Federal Reserve Board. GWB signed TARP into law.

SO you see you are simply repeating the misinformation half truths and outright lies you hear on talk radio or Faux news.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 2, 2012 4:06 PM
Comment #356253

Immelt was on the New York Fed Reserve Board until 2011.

The SEAL’s killed bin Laden. A mannequin in a suit could have filled Obama’s role in the deal.

Bush did give the banks the TARP money. I was wrong there.

I guess you agree with the rest of my points since they weren’t addressed.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 2, 2012 4:56 PM
Comment #356259

“A mannequin in a suit could have filled Obama’s role in the deal.”

Except mannequins don’t talk, and couldn’t have given the order to go.

Strike two.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at November 2, 2012 5:36 PM
Comment #356261

John,

“He appoints the head of General Electric, one of the largest exporters of U.S. jobs…”

Prove it.

Rocky


Posted by: Rocky Marks at November 2, 2012 5:48 PM
Comment #356276

Rocky, The head of G.E. was the Jobs Czar. He’s been in the News or don’t you get the news?

Posted by: KAP at November 2, 2012 7:02 PM
Comment #356278

KAP,

The point is that John drops by throws some crap against the wall and bails.
No links to show he has a point, not so much as a howdy do.

Yeah, I read the news. GE will open a X-Ray Imaging Headquarters staffed by 4 people in China. GE has said that no one out of the 120 people in Wisconsin X-Ray plant will lose their job.

Is this the “big news”?

Whoopdy do.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at November 2, 2012 7:40 PM
Comment #356279

Rocky, links posted here don’t do one bit of good. I have yet to see one listed that did not get poo-poo’d by those taking an opposite view as being biased or just flat reported wrong.

For instance, FOX reports one Libyan timeline; today, the CIA releases theirs. Although somewhat different, both point out some big differences in what the State Dept. has said. The State Dept. is now telling us that it will take 60 days+ for a full statement to be issued. How convenient. If I post a FOX link on the subject, where are you going to go to get one that says something different? You know that would be you first move…so find something else to bitch about besides my not shoving links at you. It’s lame.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 2, 2012 7:56 PM
Comment #356291


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Posted by: cheap northface jackets at November 2, 2012 8:28 PM
Comment #356293

John,

“so find something else to bitch about besides my not shoving links at you. It’s lame.”

So basically what you’re saying is that when you’re talking about your “valid reasons”, I will have to take your word for it or go screw myself?

Whatever pal…

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at November 2, 2012 8:51 PM
Comment #356311

No, Rocky. What I am saying is that links do not change minds here so why post them. Have you read a link from Frank that caused you to change your mind on any given subject? We all know the answer. They are a waste of time here if you are trying to win a debate with them.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 2, 2012 11:33 PM
Comment #356313
Immelt was on the New York Fed Reserve Board until 2011.

Your right John but he was appointed in 2006, before Obama was elected.


The SEAL’s killed bin Laden. A mannequin in a suit could have filled Obama’s role in the deal.

Let me make sure I understand you problem John. All you hear is “I and me” so you blame Obama for this. Your source of information , once again, is Faux, Talk radio and other conservative propaganda outlets. If you listen to the speech given by Obama you would hear what he said and who he gave credit to. Go back to school John you are receiving misinformation, half truths and outright lies, when are you going to realize this?

Your claim that a mannequin in a suit could have filled Obama’s role is profoundly ignorant John. It shows a lack of knowledge and character. Your hatred of Obama has gotten the best of you. Adrienne was right.

I guess you agree with the rest of my points since they weren’t addressed.

Such silliness. Like I said earlier John your comments are rehashed bits of misinformation half truths and outright lies from Faux and other conservative propaganda outlets.

He spends his first two years, with Dem’s controlling both houses, pushing through a controversail healthcare plan instead of creating jobs.

The stimulus was passed in this time frame and the 700,000+ jobs a month being loss was turned around John. A much better record than GWB.

Obama had a majority in the Senate for only 7 months not the first 2 years as you conservatives tell it.

“The Democratic Party had a 60% filibuster-proof super majority in the Senate from July 7, 2009, when Al Franken (D) won a contested seat, until February 4, 2010, when Scott Brown (R) replaced Paul Kirk (D).”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress

The job plans he has proposed revolve around more policeman, more firefighters, more teachers and more public work projects. All would require the taxpayers picking up the payroll, not private enterprise

Not so John. First of all the repubs/conservatives in Congress have held up over 30 job bills. Second you have forgotten the green jobs plan of Obama’s, not to mention the auto jobs he helped save.

Once again John misinformation half truths and outright lies instead of facts. If the government was half as bad as your sources you would have something to complain about. Yet you guys fall for it each and every time.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 2, 2012 11:50 PM
Comment #356315

John,

“What I am saying is that links do not change minds here so why post them.”

My point is that without a convincing argument, complete with proof that your argument is actually valid and not just some bozo’s opinion, why are you even here?

“Have you read a link from Frank that caused you to change your mind on any given subject?”

Frank doesn’t seem to bother with any actual facts. He makes it up as he goes along, and seems more interested in being insulting than being convincing.

I guess it’s that whole Rush Limbaugh shut-in thing.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at November 3, 2012 12:16 AM
Comment #356328

How many excuses can you guys come up with? They are a never ending line of “yeah, but’s”, ” you’re a liar”, and “here’s a link that supports my position”. You twist, tweak and omit to attempt to make O look good. You can’t do it. His ugly goes all the way to the bone.

You’re not changing any opinions, and he’s not either. The Bengazi deal sticks in my craw, as I bet it is in those who might still be undecided, as well. As someone else questioned on this site, “Why is a statement from the president taking so long? He could quickly gather up answers if he wanted to”. In my mind, this means he knows the truth is going to hurt him.
What else are we supposed to think?

Posted by: John Johnson at November 3, 2012 8:42 AM
Comment #356339
How many excuses can you guys come up with

John you were told your nonsensical list of excuses to not vote for Obama were rehashed bits of misinformation, half truths and outright lies from Faux and other conservative propaganda outlets. You asked several times. You have used the “he called me a liar” whine to garner sympathy for your misinformed reasoning. Now you are asking us how many excuses! Have you no shame?

You have proven Adrienne right.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 3, 2012 10:08 AM
Comment #356342

Kap, I really don’t watch Fox other than when I need a good laugh. Hell if they go belly up along with Rush the comedy industry will be hard pressed for material. I will profess to watching MSNBC and CNN from time to time. MSNBC is of course left leaning, but they do at least make a concerted effort to present their bias in a factual order. I read recently that certain areas of MSNBC have been out rating Fox in those time slots. I think that most people like myself can tolerate bias, but not fact that has been disassembled and reassembled to present a falsehood as reality. It was probably inevitable that at least a portion of the Fox viewership would eventually watch a more credible outlet and have a faux pas realization.

Posted by: Ricil at November 3, 2012 10:35 AM
Comment #356346

John, teacher or whatever third person moniker you go by, no you are not necessarily lying, nor are you being totally honest. You are dabbling in what I refer to as creative exclusion. It is similar to standard republican operating procedure. Omit the parameters around the facts which in essence creates a void that masks the reality of the situation. That is the only way you can make your argument work. Of course it really doesn’t work because most of the people who have frequented here are much too intelligent and well informed to settle for redesigned generic talking points as conclusive proof of anything.

The reason I started coming here several years before the last election was because I wanted to inhabit a space in which I could actually learn something. The old timers and a few of the new are much more educated and knowledgable in terms of history and governmental dealings than I personally am. Those people, because this site was for the most part properly moderated have taught me a great deal over the years about history, politics and the art of discussion. Whether they know it or not they are true teachers. Not because of what they say they know, but because they not only talk, they also listen and respond in kind. I don’t always hear what I want to hear, but that is okay because I know that were it not for a proper balance of opinion and fact we would all be in the dark. I prefer to live in the light so have learned that it is important to keep an open mind and allow my instincts to discern what is bs and what is not. They have served me pretty well to date so I will put them above political fictions. My instincts along with known factors tell me that Romney is a lying disingenuous rotten little man who made his fortune via the misfortune of others. The very same others he admittedly looks down on from above.

Posted by: Ricil at November 3, 2012 11:04 AM
Comment #356361

You make me smile, Rickil. You are so wrong. Better be lining up a therapist. Your going to need one starting next week.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 3, 2012 2:43 PM
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