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Uggh.
I like a snarky remark as much as the next guy but this isn’t worthy of debate.

I have a friend who was also commenting about all of the Obama events that have been in the day. However, I do have to point out that Romney has had a number of daytime events as well (including one I went to that started at noon).

Um, Tex

“…and Las Vegas in the evening.”

It’s obvious that Obama panders to those who don’t want to work and those who feel they are entitled to have everything given to them for “free,” but I don’t think there’s some obvious plan to only hold rallies during work hours.

HAHAHAHAHAHA, This post is not worthy of discussion on this site. better luck next time. Even Romney admitted his whole 47% speech was a mistake, too bad you can’t.

Will Mitt Romney be at any of Obama’s campaign stops? he’s unemployeed right?

Hmm. Should I discuss this new invention called “The Lunchbreak?”

No, Stephen, don’t bother because the ones making the snarky comments wouldn’t give it any consideration ….and for goodness, sake, they’d fall all over themselves to get out the crap about people working. Their whole premise from several earlier posts will be destroyed by that concept.

I seem to remember many times when Democrats were accused of voter fraud and the liberals on WB asked for evidence. This man, Patrick Moran, should go to prison:

“The son of Rep. Jim Moran, D-Va. – who serves as the field director for his father’s campaign – has been caught on video advising an undercover reporter how to fraudulently cast ballots in the name of registered voters by forging utility bills and relying on the assistance of Democrat lawyers.

James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas, known for its hidden-camera probe of the controversial national community organizing group tied to Obama, ACORN, carried out the investigation and provided the video exclusively to WND.

UPDATE: After this story was published today, Patrick Moran announced his immediate resignation from the Moran for Congress campaign. Click here for details.”

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/video-captures-dem-campaign-chief-plotting-vote-fraud/

Or how about this one? But I guess it’s just a coincidence:

“TAMPA, Fla. -
The FBI is joining an investigation into bogus letters sent to many Florida residents, including the Republican Party of Florida chairman, that raise questions about their eligibility to vote.

FBI officials said Wednesday the FBI will focus on letters received by voters in 18 counties in central and southwest Florida.

According to the Republican Party of Florida, Chairman Lenny Curry received one of the fake letters on Tuesday.

“This type of activity is not only disgusting, it is criminal, and must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law,” Curry said in a release. “I call on Florida Democrats to join me in condemning this false letter writing campaign that appears to target likely voters in Florida, and help RPOF get the word out about this false campaign.”

Local 6 first reported the bogus letter scam on Monday, which claim to be from county supervisors of elections but are postmarked from Seattle. They raise questions about the voter’s citizenship and appear intended to intimidate people.”

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Florida-Republican-Party-leader-receives-hoax-letter-FBI-investigates/-/1637132/17117694/-/acss1ez/-/index.html

Then we have this from Colorado:

“FORT COLLINS, Colo. (CBS4) – Early voting only got under way on Monday and already a complaint has been filed.

Colorado Republicans say Democrats wrongly offered Colorado State University students free pizza and T-shirts in exchange for voting.

Colorado state law says campaigners have to be 100 feet from a polling place, but there is some grey area, particularly when a polling place is inside a large public building like CSU’s Lory Student Center.

The Colorado Republican Committee sent a letter to the Larimer County clerk alleging wrongdoing by campaigners for the Democratic Party during the first day of early voting on the CSU campus.”

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/23/state-gop-file-complaint-against-obama-campaigners-at-csu/

Vote early and vote often is the Democrat mantra.

I have complete confidence in the Rasmussen polls. They have remained consistant, even when the MSM polls have had Obama with a huge lead and now coming down to reality. Rasmussen also has the best record of correctly polling the voters. So here we see reality:

Colorado:

“Mitt Romney has now reached the 50% mark for the first time in Colorado and leads President Obama by four in the critical swing state.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Colorado Voters finds Romney with 50% support to Obama’s 46%. Two percent (2%) like some other candidate, and one percent (1%) remains undecided…

Two weeks ago, the candidates were basically tied in Colorado, with the president edging his Republican challenger 49% to 48%. …

Obama defeated Republican John McCain 54% to 45% in Colorado in the 2008 election.”

Florida:

“Mitt Romney has taken his biggest lead of the year in Florida and now outpaces President Obama by five points in the key swing state following Tuesday night’s debate.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Florida Voters finds Romney with 51% support to Obama’s 46%. One percent (1%) prefers some other candidate, and two percent (2%) remain undecided.”

New Hampshire:

“The presidential race in New Hampshire remains neck-and-neck, with Mitt Romney stretching to a two-point lead.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely New Hampshire Voters, taken the night after the final presidential debate, finds Romney earning 50% support, while President Obama has 48% of the vote. One percent (1%) likes some other candidate, and another one percent (1%) is undecided.”

Ohio:

“With just two weeks to go until Election Day, the race for Ohio’s 18 Electoral College votes is a tie.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Ohio Voters, taken the night after the final presidential debate, shows both President Obama and Mitt Romney attracting 48% of the vote. Two percent (2%) plan to vote for some other candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided.”

Virginia:

“Mitt Romney has now hit the 50% mark in Virginia.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Virginia Voters, taken two nights after the second presidential debate, shows Romney with 50% support to President Obama’s 47%. Two percent (2%) remain undecided.”

North Carolina:

“Mitt Romney has now extended his lead to six points in North Carolina following this week’s second presidential debate.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in the Tar Heel State, taken last night, finds Romney with 52% support to President Obama’s 46%. One percent (1%) is still undecided.”

If we add to these polls the fact that only 35% of Americans believe the economy is getting better:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/indexes/rasmussen_consumer_index/rasmussen_consumer_index

Then we add this interesting poll:

“State and federal welfare spending passed the $1 trillion mark last year, more than is spent on Social Security and Medicare. Most Americans believe the government spends too much on poverty programs and that those programs increase the level of poverty in the country rather than decrease it.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 51% of American Adults think the government spends too much on poverty programs. That’s up 13 points from 38% in April 2011.”

Suffold University Polls in Boston, which has a 96% accuracy since 2002, has given VA, NC, and FL to Romney. Their Ohio poll shows a dead heat of 47% between O and R. They also showed O with a 2 point lead over R in Nevada, but that poll was 2 weeks ago and has been closing.

Billinflorida-
RAAAAAAASMUUUUUUUSSSSEEEENNNN!!!!!!

Yea, verily, the right-wing polling battle cry.

Don’t you get by now that people already price in Rasmussen’s ideological bent?

Well, I don’t trust them, but I got some bad news: Romney’s lead has diminished to just 3%, and that’s the likely voter screen, which This Republican pollster can tell you is very unreliable. People who say they vote don’t and many, in fact most on some questions, who say they won’t, change their minds.

A recent Kennedy School of Government study, looking at more than 10,000 pre-election interviews and actual turnout, determined independently from election records, demonstrates that many who say they’ll vote don’t. And even more surprising is many who say they won’t vote eventually do. In this study, 13 percent of those “almost certain to vote” didn’t. But more disturbing is that of voters who self-reported only a 50-50 chance of voting, a category most pollsters dismiss, 67 percent voted. Even more disconcerting is that 55 percent of those who said they probably wouldn’t vote eventually did. Almost no pollsters using likely-voter methodology would have kept these respondents in their samples. But they voted.

You keep on arguing universals from particulars. Are you preparing to argue this election, too, was stolen?

Seems like it.

On the Patrick Moran case, what I heard is that he was giving the guy a hypothetical, after having told him It’d be far easier to just go and find a hundred real voters and actually get them to the polls. Moran was stupid to discuss the hypothetical as an option.

And so he resigned.

Here’s the thing, though, what he advised first, that simpler approach with no legal backlash likely from it, is the basic approach the Democrats are taking. Why go through all the trouble and expense of forging documents to impersonate a hundred voters when you can basically spend less money, less time, and less trouble just to get real voters to the polls and make sure they get counted?

You folks never register that possibility and plausibility are two different animals. Yes, it’s possible that millions of votes were the result of fraud. It’s also possible that millions of Republican votes are the result of people hacking the electronic voting machines across the nation. The trouble with any real life conspiracy is that you always have to deal with the problem of people actually talking about it, in addition to any logistical challenges.

That’s what Patrick Moran brings up first: it is simply far easier to take a list of voters and call them, or run a van ferrying supporters to the polls, than to do the same, and on top of all that forge papers, keep all the conspirators quiet and the information covered up.

What you have on hidden video is a campaign official discussing ways in which in-person voter fraud could be pulled off, a stupid thing for him to discuss. But where’s the hidden camera video revealing that this had actually pulled off, that a conspiracy had acted, a result had been obtained, and so on and so forth? Where’s the paper trail, the bank accounts, the whistleblowers?

The dogs that should be barking on this voter fraud theory of yours aren’t.

As for the letter, if it’s from a Democrat, they’re morons. There’s nothing to be gained from that sort of thing, especially if the letter gets sent to a Republican party official. But should I remind you that this kind of rat-f***ing is something your party’s been repeatedly charged with as well? Neither side should be doing it, and I have no trouble with throwing a fellow Democrat, if they did indeed do it, under the bus for it. The question is, are you lecturing me about this from a position of party purity?

Of course, how about an amusing little counter-theory: Republican operatives themselves sending the letter! I mean, they would have the most to gain. They could play for sympathy, and back their narrative of voter fraud.

As for the Pizza for votes thing?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but were they requiring that people voted for Democrats to get the Pizzas and T-Shirts?

That’s the main question. The issue is a quid pro quo- vote for the Democrat and you get this. But I see nothing to indicate they made that requirement. Conceivably, somebody could vote Republican and get the pizza.

Still, It’s dubious territory. It’d be better if you had a non-partisan sort of set up for voters, so there would be neither a quid pro quo or the appearance of one. But how does this relate to voter fraud?

This doesn’t sound like a major infraction. It sounds like a lot of the differences were worked out.

“It’s a balancing act, there’s no question about it,” Larimer County Clerk and Recorder Scott Doyle said. “There were some banners put up, there were some signs put up, and there was some question about locations of all of those; and so mid-morning I got involved and we were able to work that out throughout today.” Doyle says he was able to talk to both sides and the issue was resolved. “When I did have discussion with campaigners, they were very accommodating. They didn’t want to cause any problems and they wanted gather their stuff up and move back to where they should have been, or where we thought they should have been, and didn’t want to be imposing illegally on anyone,” Doyle said. As a general rule Doyle is asking campaigners to stay 100 feet away from any door that accesses the Lory Student Center. He also says he expects more of those types of issues to arise as Election Day nears in such a hotly contested presidential race.

Overall, I think you’re just taking the usual propagandistic route of taking a few anecdotal incidents, and trying to stretch them over the whole system. And why? To explain what you can both explain by rational methods, yet still claim your party is on the ascendance: that Americans have taken a more liberal direction in the elections. If you admit that we’ve made legitimate gains, you must acknowledge that there’s a reason why which works at GOP expense. Trouble there is that if you do what’s politically appropriate, given that epiphany, you might end up having to make a compromise or alter a message that has been refined to to its desired purity, and set as a true northern star of the political party.

In less poetic terms, Republicans want a narrative that means they don’t have to change with the times, with the shift in the electorate. They would rather peddle a story that has them the victims of something faked that favors the Democrats than something real.

Stephen: “Are you preparing to argue this election, too, was stolen?”

I think this is exactly what’s going on. Their insistence that this is in the bag for Romney despite all the evidence to the contrary simply tells me they were setting up to either gloat big time on election night and say they told us so, or crap their cages in a fit of rage, claiming fraud.

The race is still very close. Obama has a slight advantage in the electoral college, but no one has it in the bag. Anyone who says otherwise is either not paying attention to the evidence and just going by their gut feelings, or they’re flat out lying. I’ll leave that up to someone else to decide which is which.

Great post BillinFlorida.

Funny how SD’s response was exactly what was expected: dismiss, excuse and blame Republicans. LOL!!!

“Why go through all the trouble and expense of forging documents to impersonate a hundred voters when you can basically spend less money, less time, and less trouble just to get real voters to the polls and make sure they get counted?”

Um, because “conceivably, somebody could vote Republican?”

“…or crap their cages in a fit of rage, claiming fraud”

Yeah, because Republicans are the ones still harping about 2000 and are the ones always claiming voter suppression, disenfranchisement, black boxes and fraud.

Give us a break Adam, the leftists have been preaching these things since the day Obama was sworn in.

Kctim: “Give us a break Adam, the leftists have been preaching these things since the day Obama was sworn in.”

There’s fraud everywhere. The 2000 election just happened to hinge on one state where the GOP pulled some marge nonsense with the process. The GOP cries crocodile tears about voter fraud when there real fraud takes place in the process itself and not with the voter.

No doubt if Obama loses a close election some liberals will call it fraud. But of course I know conservatives who thought Obama stole the first election so I think even a clear win for Obama will be stolen in a lot of conservative eyes including some of the right wing nuts that comment here.

Adam, yes, I know the story: their concerns about fraud aren’t true, but your concerns about fraud are. Same crap, different issue.

IF Obama were to some how magically lose, 99% of liberals will go nuts and scream every type of fraud occurred. And their media will “cover” it every second of every day. Liberals still claim the Florida and Ohio talkingpoints, even though the facts do not support them.
You haven’t seen Adrienne on the warpath over this issue. Just wait.

When Romney loses, some conservatives and Republicans will talk about possible fraud for a bit, but most won’t, and without the constant media coverage, their concerns will be forgotten.

kctim,

“IF Obama were to some how magically lose, 99% of liberals will go nuts and scream every type of fraud occurred…You haven’t seen Adrienne on the warpath over this issue. Just wait.”

When exactly did Adrienne become 99% of liberals?

Rocky

Seriously Rocky? Sigh.

She doesn’t make up 99% of liberals, but she is representative of them. I do not recall Adam being on WatchBlog many years ago when Adrienne would go on and on about black box voting, Diebold and every other lefty conspiracy theory about voting. Now that he is here, he will get to see, and more than likely defend, all those crazy theories IF Romeny were to win.

kctim: “Adam, yes, I know the story: their concerns about fraud aren’t true, but your concerns about fraud are. Same crap, different issue.”

Well, the right conveniently comes up with ways to make it harder for Democratic voters to cast their ballots under the guise of protecting the vote against an imaginary problem. That certainly concerns me.

kctim,

“Seriously Rocky? Sigh…She doesn’t make up 99% of liberals, but she is representative of them.”

99% sigh…

Would you say that Frank is representitive of all conservatives, or would you say that Jack, or even you might be closer?

There is a broad spectrum of people representing a broad spectrum of political beliefs that post here.

Rocky

Adam
Voter ID laws apply to all voters, not just Democratic voters. With the illegal alien problem our country has, protecting the integrity of our elections should be our top concern.
It’s interesting how you believe it is possible to single out Dem voters in order to deny them their vote, but yet Stephen doesn’t believe it is possible to single out Dem voters in order to pander for their vote.

Rocky
I am not talking about some “broad spectrum” of political beliefs, I am talking about 15-20% of Democrats who consider themselves to be liberals/progressives, and yes Adrienne is representative of them and their fanatical views and rhetoric.

And it’s pretty weak to start preaching about how all liberals aren’t the same when for the past 4 years people like Frank, Jack and myself have been labeled as brainwashed women hating racist facists for daring to question or disagree with Obama. Some freakin how, conservative, moderate and libertarian all mean the same thing now.

And, FWIW, in no way am I representative of all conservatives.

If you were going to commit voter fraud, how would you do it?

You could go to the voting booth and lie about your identity. That’s one vote, cast at the risk of being caught and facing serious penalties. You could team up with others and cast multiple votes. That runs the same risks, including the risk that no one else on the team will rat you out, and if you’re serious about the fraud, it’s inefficient. Even going to multiple polling booths to cast multiple votes with a team of people will still make it very, very difficult to affect the outcome.

For that reason, in-person voter fraud is extremely rare.

More common is fraud through absentee ballots. The risk of being caught is low, and thousands of ballots can be submitted. Still, it’s a lot of work, and not a sure thing by any means.

The only way that makes sense is to crack computer secuitry, to bugger the voting machines or other computers tallying the data. The chances of being caught are very low, and the desired fraudulent outcome can be achieved with virtual certainty, so to speak.

Seventee states have seen their Republican legislatures pass Voter ID laws to purge large numbers of people from the roles. The ID laws target the nearly non-existent problem of in-person voter fraud. Why?

A disproportionate number of people without valid ID are likely to vote for Democrats: the poor (which includes more minorities), the elderly, and those disabled for other reasons.

Will the Voter ID laws affect the outcome of the election? Probably not. State Supreme Courts in PA and MI have already disqualified Republican legislative attempts to stop Americans from voting. On another note, efforts to restrict early voting in OH, which once again tends to favor Democrats, have also failed, due to intervention by the courts.

A small number of states seem likely to determine the outcome of the presidential election, seven or nine, depending on who’s counting. Attempts by Republicans to prevent Americans from voting in these swing states appears to have failed.

kctim,

“Some freakin how, conservative, moderate and libertarian all mean the same thing now.”

Sorry, that’s bullshit and you know it, especially when to some of your compatriots on the right, anyone that is even slightly to the left of them is a commie liberal. There is no such thing as a moderate to those on the far right.

I have said many times that while I don’t necessarily agree with Adrienne, I admire her passion and the fact she isn’t afraid to speak her mind. She has also been totally consistant throughout her time here.

Rocky

No, it’s not BS Rocky, and the events of the last 4+ years show that. Republicans, conservatives and libertarians have all been lumped together in order to claim all are in favor of no government, are all racists, part of some mythical war on women etc… and the lefts own words prove it.

I also admire Adrienne’s passion and I have no problem with her speaking her mind. But that does not take away from the fact that she is a true representation of those who also claim to be on the far-left. Which is why I told Adam to watch her reaction IF by some miracle Romney was to win. That wasn’t a jab at her, it was merely pointing out how much more the far-left goes crazy with their vote fraud conspiracies than those on the right do.

Stephen, it was Billinflorida who dealt with voter fraud and it was I (Frank) who believes in Rasmussen polls.

You seem to be losing it Stephen. You went off on a real rant/ But then, Adam Ducker, phx8, and Rocky Marks seem to be losing it too. What are you guys going to do when Romney wins. Hve you seen the crowds that Romney has been gathering? 10,000 in Colorado and another 10,000 turned away at the gate.

This reminds me of a verse of Scripture in the Old Testament, regarding the large crowds for Romney and the small crowds for Obama:

1Samuel 18:7, “And the women answered one another as they played, and said, Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands.”

Romney being David of course.

Stephen said;

“Billinflorida-
RAAAAAAASMUUUUUUUSSSSEEEENNNN!!!!!!

Yea, verily, the right-wing polling battle cry.

Don’t you get by now that people already price in Rasmussen’s ideological bent?”

Other than your anger Stephen, you have sited no proof why we sould not accept Rasmussen Polls. They have a history of being very accurate and they have been accurate for months. When the MSM Polls were showing Obama with huge numbers, Rasummen was within a few points of where they are now. It is the MSM polls that have moved toward Rasmussen. On top of that I included the liberal Suffolk University Polls from Boston, MA. Aren’t you going to attack these polls as being wrong too? Or do you just ignore them? Suffolk U. polls have actually given Romney better numbers than Rasmussen.

You need to get a grip SD.

Frank,
Why do you think I’m losing it?

Re Rasmussen: here is a link on the bias shown by Rasmussen polls in the past:

http://electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Info/rasmussen.html

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/06/when-house-effects-become-bias/

So the upshot is that Rasmussen does legitimate polling, but its model & weighting gives Rasmussen about a four point bias in favor of the GOP. If you compare Rasmussen with the other pollsters, you will see that happen again and again.

One nice thing about this particular issue is that it will be resolved beyond all doubt in less than two weeks.

By the way, I thought you and Rush Limbaugh and others declared the pollsters and the Media were biased against Romney, and colluding to discourage Republicans from voting. What happened?

kctim,

“But that does not take away from the fact that she is a true representation of those who also claim to be on the far-left.”

Those were not your words. Lets go back an review;

comment #355373

“IF Obama were to some how magically lose, 99% of liberals will go nuts and scream every type of fraud occurred. And their media will “cover” it every second of every day. Liberals still claim the Florida and Ohio talkingpoints, even though the facts do not support them.
You haven’t seen Adrienne on the warpath over this issue. Just wait.”

So are we to assume that “all” liberals are now “the far left”?

The problem as I see it is that the fringes have a go at each other whenever possible.
If I said that Frank represented 99% of all conservatives I would be just as wrong as you are when you say Adrienne represents 99% of all liberals (no offence meant to either Frank or Adrienne).
Obviously there is no comparison between Frank and Adrienne. They are two totally different types of people.

What about all of us in the middle?

Some conservatives lean a little left, some liberals lean a little right.

Where is that 99% now?

Rocky

Frank,

Polls are useful only as a snapshot of what people are thinking at that moment in time. They will change tomorrow, and change again next week.

Rocky

BTW, frankly regardless of who wins the only thing that is going to change is whose pocket the politicians are in. They are the people that are truly in power in this country.

“By the way, I thought you and Rush Limbaugh and others declared the pollsters and the Media were biased against Romney, and colluding to discourage Republicans from voting. What happened?”

Posted by: phx8 at October 25, 2012 6:18 PM

If you knew half as much about Rush Limbaugh as you thing you do, you would know that Rush as always supported Rasmussen polls as being very accurate. Perhaps you could explain the Suffolk University Polls? They are almost identical to Rasmussen and the Suffolk U. Polls gave NC, VA, and FL to Romney 3 weeks ago…guess what?

Rocky Marks, “Frank,

Polls are useful only as a snapshot of what people are thinking at that moment in time. They will change tomorrow, and change again next week.”

Yes, I agree completely; but the snapshot seems to be moving in Romney’s direction over the past few weeks. When will they snap back to Obama?

I like to keep track of this site:

http://electoralmap.net/2012/intrade.php

It is Intrade 2012 Electoral forecast map. The forecast does not show tossup states, only states that are either for Obama or Romney. The forecast has been changing over the past 2 weeks and now shows Obama with 277 and Romney with 261 electoral votes. They show the percentage of chance that Obama will win certain swing states. Obama has a 58.8% chance of winning OH, a 59.9% of Obama winning IA, and a 67% chance of Obama winning WI. A win in any of these states by Romney will give the election to Romney.

The RCP polling shows an almost identical electoral map with no tossups, except for the state of NH; Obama 281 and Romney 257.

Even though RCP has Obama with a 2 point lead in IA, the liberal democrat PPP shows Romney with a 1 point lead over Obama:

“Raleigh, N.C. – PPP’s newest polls in Iowa and New Hampshire find Mitt Romney
leading Barack Obama 49-48 in both states. That represents a big decline for Obama
compared to last month. Obama had previously led 51-44 in Iowa and 51-43.5 in New
Hampshire on polls conducted the final week of September.”

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_IANH_1019.pdf

Romney has been consistently pulling ahead in IA. An IA win would give Romney the victory.

RCP also shows Obama with a 2.7 point lead in NV; but in the NV Senate race, RCP shows Heller(R) with a 3.7 lead over Berkley(D) and some polls showing a 6 point lead. What are the chances of a voter pulling the lever for Heller and not for Romney? A win here for Romney, wins the election.

It also appears the Republicans are on the verge of retaking the Senate.

Frank,
Suffolk University Polls? Here is the president of the organization talking about the upcoming election on FOX, to Bill O’Reilly:

“I think in places like North Carolina, Virginia and Florida, we’ve already painted those red. We’re not polling any of those states again. We’re focusing on the remaining states.”

I just don’t think a polling organization that writes off three swing states three weeks before the elections is all that credible. Maybe it’s just a lack of resources, but really, come on.

phx8, so you discredit a poll because “I just don’t think”. You know, that’s the problem with the left, they just don’t think.

I guess we will know in less than 2 weeks if they are correct, won’t we? In the meantime Obama is losing and dropping like a rock in the polls. Of course these polls are just a “snapshot in time”, right???

Of course, you always have the option of showing us a poll that shows Obama ahead in FL, NC, and VA.

Frank,
VA: Obama 51%, Romney 46% PPP
VA: Romney 50%, Obama 48% Rasmussen
FL: Obama 47%, Romney 45% Grove
FL: Romney 50%, Obama 49% Gravis
NC: NC: Obama 48%, Romney 48% PPP

Bad time to make snarky comments based on polls, Frank. A whole new batch of polls just came out, and it was a very, very good day for Obama. Why? The post-debate bounce is now mostly factored into those polls, with tomorrow being the last day to add to that bounce.

Like Rocky said, it’s just a source of information. But for an organzation to write off any additional polling in big swing states because Romney is supposedly a done deal there is just ridiculous.

phx8, what world are you living in:

VA:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/va/virginia_romney_vs_obama-1774.html

FL:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/fl/florida_romney_vs_obama-1883.html

NC:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/nc/north_carolina_romney_vs_obama-1784.html

Rocky
Yes, liberals/progressives are the far-left, and they will be the ones going apeshit over supposed voter fraud IF Obama loses. Not the moderates, not the ones who “lean a little left.”

Oh, and I understand what you are doing, so let me just come right out and say that you are right. There is no way I can know 99% of them will go nuts again. It may be only 90 or 95%.
Of course, judging by all the violence being promised on social networks if Obama loses, 99 percent may not be such a bad guess.

Frank,
I cited the most recent polls. The cite you linked has been updated for the NC poll on the 25th. The other two states do not have the most recent polls from the 25th up yet.

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