Ann Romney Makes a Splash at RNC

In the premiere evening of the Republican National Convention, Ann Romney, wife of Republican candidate Mitt Romney, hit a home run with her speech and will likely be the most memorable moment of the RNC. Mrs. Romney declares, “This is the man America needs,” adding, “This man will not fail.”

Ann Romney surprised everyone when she began her speech saying, "Tonight I want to talk to you from my heart about out hearts. I want to talk not about what divides us, but what holds us together as an American family," she continues, "Tonight I want to talk to you about love."

When Ann discusses the struggles millions of Americans have endured over the past few years in the weak economy, it's simple for Democrats to say, "Who is Ann Romney to relate to poor and middle class people who struggle? She doesn't know what it's like to struggle." That's the perfect example of Ann not discussing what divides us. That's what Democrats do best. Segregate and divide everyone. As if there are no rich democrats, and poor people never have rich family or friends. That's crap.

The potential first lady shared details of her marriage to Mitt Romney and their family. She is a mother of five sons and knows what it is like to be an overwhelmed mother and wife who is still in college and has no clue what she's doing. She also acknowledges that it is the women who make this country great gushing, "You are the best of America. You are the hope of America." They say behind every great man, there's a great woman.

To voters who are still pondering who will make a better president, Mrs. Romney affirms, "No one will work harder. No one will care more. No one will move heaven and Earth like Mitt Romney to make this country a better place to live!"

There are a lot of reasons to criticize or degrade candidates in a political race, but it's time that Americans start listening closely and paying a little more attention. Ann Romney so appropriately says, "We're too smart to know there aren't easy answers. But we're not dumb enough to accept that there aren't better answers."

Posted by bigtex at August 29, 2012 6:47 PM
Comments
Comment #351768

She doesn’t fool me. Neither does Mitt. They don’t understand how people struggle because they’ve never struggled. They have absolutely no experience with hard times — and this fact has been and is being reflected in everything they say and do.

“No one will work harder. No one will care more. No one will move heaven and Earth like Mitt Romney to make this country a better place to live!”
Ann Romney might be a multimillionaire, but talk is cheap. Look at what Mitt/Ryan intends to do. If an American is of the 1% like the Romney’s and Ryan are and have been all of their lives, then this applies, because they no doubt will make things great for that particular segment. But they obviously don’t care at all about the vast majority of Americans who struggle, and who will indeed suffer (even more than they already do). And this nation will not just suffer for four years. We all know they’re going to dismantle Medicare, and privatize Social Security and do away with the entire social safety net that has taken America many, many years to build. What they intend to do is going to destroy this nation — and anyone with half a brain in their head knows it. Posted by: Adrienne at August 30, 2012 4:47 AM
Comment #351770

Adrienne

I think that MS and breast cancer are hard, no matter how much money you have. It is also hard to raise kids no matter how much money you have. They get sick; you have to worry about their development. Money doesn’t buy avoidance of this.

Re the 1% - all the candidates running for the presidency are in the 1%. The richest pair in living memory was the Kerry-Edwards ticket, which didn’t seem to bother you.

You know that Romney donated his entire inheritance to charity, so the money he has he made. He made it by building a firm. Obama made his millions by writing books about himself, even there he got some facts wrong.

Of course, liberal might say that Mitt didn’t build it and Obama didn’t write it, but I will assume they did.

Posted by: C&J at August 30, 2012 6:33 AM
Comment #351774

Adrienne

“They don’t understand how people struggle because they’ve never struggled.”

I am struggling with myself as to whether call this stupid or ignorant. I will give you the benefit of doubt and call it ignorant.

You assume that the Romneys were instantly wealthy whenever you choose the time to be. That is also ignorant.

C&J is correct that all the candidates are 1%ers. So to believe that because one candidate is more wealthy than another, and is whatever you say hes is, is not very wise on your part. After all Obama has been one to, according to his books and scant records, has not struggled because of gifts and donations and whatever. You cannot enter Ivy League schools based on his income. So how did he get it? You will have an answer that is unbelievable, but go ahead and see what sticks to the wall.

It is appaling that the left and all that it includes has resorted to the attempt to destroy a person who has some solutions, particularly when their leader has no credibility, integrity or honesty.

Maranatha

Posted by: tom humes at August 30, 2012 10:33 AM
Comment #351780
I think that MS and breast cancer are hard, no matter how much money you have.

Ann Romney got the best medical care in the world for her cancer and MS. She and her husband never had to worry about anything but her health and all the focus went toward making her well and giving her an expensive hobby like dressage to aid her MS. None of that has anything in common with what the majority of Americans with cancer and MS have to worry about and deal with. Most people have to worry about the cost of their health care, and ongoing treatments, and most people still have to work while they’re trying to cope with illnesses of all kinds. Yet Ann Romney and her husband don’t think poor people should even have the right to receive any medical treatment at all if they can’t afford to pay for it.

It is also hard to raise kids no matter how much money you have.

It’s not hard when you don’t have to work to support those kids, and when you’re a multimillionaire who can afford to hire all kinds of help.

They get sick; you have to worry about their development. Money doesn’t buy avoidance of this.

When their children got sick Ann and Mitt Romney always had money to hire a doctor that was willing to do housecalls. If there was any kind of problem with their children’s development they had the ability to hire any kind of assistance those children might have needed. Having a lot of money to address any and all problems kids may have eases the difficulty of raising children considerably.

As I said: Ann Romney doesn’t fool me. She tried to make it seem as though they struggled — but when your husband can afford law school, an apartment for the duration, utilities and food all by selling “some stock” and without any need for his wife to work a job, you don’t get to stand there and tell us that you understand our struggles.
When she claims they ate tuna fish and pasta when each of them had family trusts worth millions of dollars it is laughable for them to try to claim they ever had anything at all in common with struggling couples in America.

Re the 1% - all the candidates running for the presidency are in the 1%.

Neither Barack Obama or Michele Obama, or Joe Biden and Jill Biden grew up with silver spoons in their mouth while both of the Romney’s and Paul Ryan did. Understanding struggle makes a big difference in how politicians addresses the issues faced by people who are struggling in this nation.

Of course, liberal might say that Mitt didn’t build it

Mitt has never built anything in his entire life. He began life with a fortune, and the multimillion dollar fortune he made was based entirely on vulture capitalist model: using private equity to raise money to conduct corporate raids. You may wish to call it this, but I personally don’t consider people who borrow vast sums of money that other people are forced to pay back to be anything like “building a business.”

Posted by: Adrienne at August 30, 2012 3:13 PM
Comment #351783

Adrienne, it is becoming ever more difficult to read your posts and not believe you are filled with envy and hate for those who worked hard, are successful, and not democrats or liberals.

obama is history and very soon will be gone from American politics. He has failed to invigorate our economy despite all the money spent and promises he made. Despite all his excuses and his blame-game…he failed and American’s will not give him another four years to do the job better.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 30, 2012 4:13 PM
Comment #351784

Amazing Adrienne. Ann Romney gave a nervous non-political speech about her family and you still think you have to crucify her on things you have no clue about. Things created by the far-left based on partisan assumptions and opinions.
You actually hate and are jealous of a woman you know nothing about.
What a sad, pathetic way to live ones life.

“Yet Ann Romney and her husband don’t think poor people should even have the right to receive any medical treatment at all if they can’t afford to pay for it”

And they said this when?

“Understanding struggle makes a big difference in how politicians addresses the issues faced by people who are struggling in this nation”

So how has Obama addressed the issues? The same way every liberal/progressive addresses them: with more government and no effort on their own part.
liberal/progressive millionaires “say” they care about us little peoples health care, our poor, our hungry, our families; but they are still multi-millionaires. Still eat anything they want. Still send their kids to private schools. Still have their private brews.
Their liberal/progressive drones “say” they care about all of those things, but yet you all still spend you money on everything but. Hell, the money spent for internet by liberals/progressives here on WatchBlog alone, could feed a family of four for at least a month.

Even if the far-left lies were based in reality and Republicans really did not care about others, at least they would be being honest.
Unlike liberals/progressives who will say they care only in order to get your vote. And then pissing on you after, until they need your vote again.

Posted by: kctim at August 30, 2012 4:23 PM
Comment #351788

Royal Flush and kctim, Adrienne, Stephen Daugherty, and other leftist on WB are full of envy and hatred. On top of that, they are seeing the collaps of liberalism/socialism/progressivism. I predict this election to match that of Reagan and Carter. Obama has nothing to run on, they know he has nothing, so it all boils down to hateful attacks. Obama is losing support, he is spending more than he takes in; but Romnay/Ryan now have access to Fed funds and people are donating to them. Of course Obama is now saying Romney is buying the election; it doesn’t matter that Obama outspent McCain 4 to 1 in 2008. But in the warped mind of a liberal, that wasn’t buying the election. You are seeing panic in the remarks of Adrienne and Stephen.

Posted by: Frank at August 30, 2012 4:56 PM
Comment #351789

Adrienne

If you had the chance to have the best medical care in the world and still had to get MS and breast cancer, would you consider that a small thing?

A majority of Americans have access to good quality health care, BTW. People tend to worry when they get cancer or MS. They worry first about the disease.

“Yet Ann Romney and her husband don’t think poor people should even have the right to receive any medical treatment at all if they can’t afford to pay for it.” - you have absolutely no reason to believe this. Romneys are very generous with their money and time, unlike many liberals who are generous with other people’s money.

“It’s not hard when you don’t have to work to support those kids, and when you’re a multimillionaire who can afford to hire all kinds of help.” - if you think the hardest part of having kids is having money or not, you understand nothing of having kids and I probably cannot explain it to you.

It really is all about money with you,isn’t it? Some people have other priorities.

Re Ryan etc - Paul Ryan grew up in the same kind of household as Joe Biden. Romney’s family was rich, but not as rich as Kerry or Edwards.

Do you think FDR or Kennedy were poor presidents because they were born with silver spoons in their mouths? They certainly never knew poverty either as children or adults.

Royal

The left has become increasingly hateful. I don’t think people like Adrienne can recognize it.

Posted by: C&J at August 30, 2012 4:58 PM
Comment #351794

There is a constant drumbeat by dems and libs that reps and cons want to change entitlement programs “as we now know them”.

Any change in these programs will accomplish that. These programs are hardly recognizable today as compared to their original form. Changes have occured ever since they were established.

obama ran the last time on “change”. What is so horrible about “change” if proposed by reps?

We understand what dems and libs wish for our entitlement programs. They wish to expand them without fixing the underlying problems that have plagued them from the start.

Both SS and Medicare have operated from the beginning on the assumption that the benefits paid to future beneficiaries would be paid for by young workers. Today, we have fewer young workers paying for more beneficiaries. The math is simple…it can’t keep working the same way and needs to be changed.

Dems and libs have no problem with “change” in these programs that involves higher taxes. That’s a change they believe in, but…will it fix the problem permanently? The math and our experience with these programs tells us no!

Romney/Ryan wish to find a permanent fix to the problem that doesn’t involve increasing premiums or taxes. Realizing the huge government outlays already gobbling up our limited resources, a fundamental change must be considered. We can no longer collect premiums that are used for everyday government operating expenses. Premiums must be invested in real assets…that grow, and that are safe from political plundering.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 30, 2012 5:41 PM
Comment #351797

Adrienne

I know you will say that Romney is running and that is all I care about.

But Debbie WS, John Kerry, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelozi, et al are guilty of those things you mentioned above. Why single out only Romney? What you have demonstrated here is a first class representation of hatred, despisement and biased behavior. You have continued to do this for months on end.

The sad thing is that you have let your own disgusting foul mouth garner your behavior to demonstrate how you feel.

It is so sad that you claim to be an American but, deny the power of being an American as well as the greatness and glory of being an American.

Maranatha

Posted by: tom humes at August 30, 2012 5:48 PM
Comment #351798
Paul Ryan grew up in the same kind of household as Joe Biden

This is a lie. Joe Biden’s father was a used car salesman. Paul Ryan is a 1% who grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth due to the fact that his family owned Ryan Incorporated. Or, to quote the Rude Pundit:

In other words, you know how Barack Obama talked about how your business didn’t build the roads that allow you to do business? Well, if you are in the Midwest, chances are that Paul Ryan’s family did build some of the roads. And they got to be amazingly successful because the federal government gave them six decades of contracts and millions upon millions of dollars to build them.

Are we clear here? We’re talking about Paul Ryan, who, with his wife, is worth as much as $7.7 million and “much of the Ryans’ wealth is in the form of trusts and inheritances.” For Rep. Ryan, those trusts and inheritances are a result of money that the federal government spent on infrastructure.


Posted by: Adrienne at August 30, 2012 5:50 PM
Comment #351799

Adrienne has discovered the “fact” fairy. She no longer mentions OWS because they have vanished just as obama and the libs who support him will in January. She still uses the OWS jargon even though the movement carries no believability and has no credence and its remaining numbers couldn’t even gather enough people for a game of checkers.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 30, 2012 5:53 PM
Comment #351801

Adrienne, your Rude Pundit link was interesting in the falsehoods it promotes.

If you would like to know a little more about Ryan’s life I suggest you visit Wikipedia. But then, you seem to be looking for “facts” with which you can agree, so truth and reality mean little.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 30, 2012 6:16 PM
Comment #351805
Adrienne, your Rude Pundit link was interesting in the falsehoods it promotes.

That page links directly to Ryan Incorporated. If any of that info is false, it would automatically mean that Ryan Incorporated has been lying about their history.

Posted by: Adrienne at August 30, 2012 6:46 PM
Comment #351806

It’s time for me to stop responding to Adrienne. I refuse to wallow in the filth she continues to spew. I sincerely hope she gets some professional help.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 30, 2012 6:47 PM
Comment #351808

Yes Royal, you’ll have to stop responding to me. Because if you don’t, you might be forced to face some uncomfortable truths that don’t jibe with the false narratives the GOP has been selling you.

Posted by: Adrienne at August 30, 2012 7:04 PM
Comment #351809

Adrienne

You have difficulty as does SD, that truth and fact and opinion get convoluted in your mind. What you spew is totally uncalled for. Your filthy language shows you cannot communicate properly in a sane and civic manner. You think you are a knowledgeable person, but your ignorance is astounding.

I would encourage a boycott of Adrienne to demonstrate how vile speech is not welcome here.

Maranatha

Posted by: tom humes at August 30, 2012 7:22 PM
Comment #351812

Reality is beginning to set in with these hate spewing, foul mouthed liberals; Obama is losing and the Republicans have grown a couple. It’s about time the Republicans began to push back against the BS that comes from the left. What we are seeing is the demise of liberals, it is seen in their mental breakdowns. I’m sure that everyone can see the change in SD and Adrienne’s comments, which show panic.

Posted by: Frank at August 30, 2012 8:15 PM
Comment #351816

Please make your point without f bombs and other curse words. Thanks.

Posted by: Editor at August 30, 2012 9:34 PM
Comment #351817

Chris Matthews of PMSNBC is among the liberals who are losing it. He declared yesterday, at the RNC Convention and declared the word “Chicago” to be a racist word. So now, we are not allowed to say Obama is from Chicago.

They’re all going crazy.

Posted by: Frank at August 30, 2012 10:05 PM
Comment #351818

Adrienne

Ryan and Biden both grew up in well off households.

But I perceive a serious problem you have. You just hate anybody who both has money and is not liberal. You hate successful people in general.

The way you talk about the 1% is interesting. We all should strive to be in the top 1%. MOst of us will not succeed. But the 1% is not a steady group. People enter and leave.

There is nothing wrong with being successful, BTW. Your comments tend to confirm stereotypes about liberals, which most of your colleagues are trying to dispel. All sane and good people try to be successful.

Posted by: C&J at August 30, 2012 10:28 PM
Comment #351832

The editor here must be a rightwinger. They let flamebaiting rightwing trolls viciously insult everyone on the left, all the time, every single day in this blog, yet get their undies in a bundle over a word for sexual copulation.

The important part of my censored post was the link, which I will leave again:


Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital
How the GOP presidential candidate and his private equity firm staged an epic wealth grab, destroyed jobs – and stuck others with the bill

Posted by: Adrienne at August 31, 2012 12:48 AM
Comment #351840

Adrienne, I guess he considers the “F” word as crossing the line; especially when it comes from a “Lady”…

Posted by: TomT at August 31, 2012 8:32 AM
Comment #351842

Lets see. We got a two thousand dollar tax deduction for our daughters and she got a seventy thousand deduction for her horse. Clearly she understands our problems. She also is very aware of just how important women have been and are to the country. Of course they can’t be trusted to make their own health and family planning decisions or deserve the same pay as men, but still they are important.

Posted by: bills at August 31, 2012 9:05 AM
Comment #351850

From Bloomberg News…

“Romney’s wife, Ann, who calls horses her “passion in life,” has an investment in them, including Rafalca, valued at as much as $500,000. The couple’s tax returns classify Ann Romney’s pastime as a business that lost $77,731 in 2010, rather than a hobby, and as a passive investment instead of one they actively manage. Each of those decisions has tax consequences.

In 2010, the only complete year of tax returns that the Romneys have released publicly, the couple was able to deduct only $50 of more than $77,000 in losses related to the horse business. When they can turn the losses into future deductions depends in part on whether and when their horse business becomes profitable.”

I might add bills, that horses can be a business and expenses can be deductible. Children are not a business as such.

I started an Ostrich and Emu business some years ago and start up expenses were considerable. Within two years I was profitable and paid taxes accordingly.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 31, 2012 2:16 PM
Comment #351855

Royal Flush

It is ironic that the left never talks about “their businesses” other than receiving from the haves as a form of business maybe. I believe that the left does not have a clue about “how to run a business” and the related “rules and regulations” so specified by governments of local, state and federal in nature.

I too ran a business back in the 70’s/80’s. It was a two way radio service that had a myriad of regulations about how, what, where, when and why of the radio communications business. I was profitable to the day I sold the business and moved westward. It was also time consuming to live up to the rules and regs of doing business. An example would be setting up a tower for transmitting purposes.

So we both are a thorn to the left about being successful people.

As was spoken in France, “let them eat muffins” (a paraphrase of course to those who want documentation).

Maranatha

Posted by: tom humes at August 31, 2012 4:12 PM
Comment #351859

Lets see. I thru a $60 Chuck E Cheese party and have taken “stay-cations” for the past 7 years. I wonder what kind of partys and vacations Obama and family take and what they cost? I’m sure it’s probably the same as us, seeing how they clearly “understand our problems” and all.

“Of course they can’t be trusted to make their own health and family planning decisions”

Man bills, this really pee’s me off too. I can’t believe that there are some people who don’t trust us to make our own “health and family planning decisions.” People who believe that we are so inept that they have to mandate such things for us. People who believe women are to helpless, stupid and irresponsible to pay for own contraception. People like the Obama’s.

Posted by: kctim at August 31, 2012 4:27 PM
Comment #351864

Just a short comment on the objections from the left about taking the “You didn’t build it” comment by obama out of context. We all know what obama meant, but he just couldn’t frame it correctly because his socialist left-mind was in charge when he said it. What he really meant is that without government few or no business could exist. That’s false.

I am reminded of all the credit he personally took from the killing of bin laden. HE DIDN’T KILL BIN LADEN. Our hired hands and patriots (Americas military) did that job for him.

Beyond that, only a leftie could believe that Americans wouldn’t find a way to build roads, hire police and firemen, construct and staff schools, etc. without government direction and resources by the collection of taxes.

Americans are can-do people with initiative and drive. We have always done things for ourselves. That we choose to have government do some things collectively doesn’t mean that we couldn’t do them ourselves. While we are tending our business or working for one, we have chosen to delegate to government those things for which it is simply better suited.

That we hire government to do some things for us doesn’t mean that we can’t possibly do them ourselves. Government is merely our hired hands like any other employee.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 31, 2012 5:20 PM
Comment #351875

Problem with Ann Romney - she isn’t running for president. Her husband is.

Posted by: Highlandangel1 at August 31, 2012 7:23 PM
Comment #351880

Adrienne

Like I said before. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it. You obviously can’t take it.


” yet get their undies in a bundle over a word for sexual copulation. “

Re read the rules for participation. I think they have been quite l laxed about enforcing them lately. Aparently you stepped over even the new and improved line.

Posted by: dbs at August 31, 2012 8:59 PM
Comment #351881

Ann Romney gets my nod as the best of the speakers at the entire convention. That is based solely on the fact that she didn’t appear to lie or engage in total hypocrisy. Cannot say that for ANY of the other high profile speakers.

Republican = liars, hypocrites, two-faced back stabbers. Make your arguments for your policies without all the subterfuge, treason, and graft. Then maybe I’ll listen to your policy points. Claiming a pro-American, pro-freedom, pro-democracy stance and then buying your arguments, engaging in class warfare, blocking the polling booths and creating hardships for legal but poor citizens, amassing resources and creating an underclass does not make it easy for me to understand your plan to ‘save’ or ‘take back’ America. You basically have it.

We live in your economy now. What more do you intend to do to our economy? Make us a third world nation? That’s what I see from what little plan revealed by Romney.

Posted by: LibRick at August 31, 2012 9:17 PM
Comment #351891

It’s a Civil War atmosphere in this country right now. dbs, all the political sites are getting heated in the community sections. So many people are getting carried away to the point of hate. It’s almost as if Democrats and Republicans are viewed as Red Sox and Yankees with drunk fans in the stands cussing at each other. (yeah because that’s the way to look intelligent)*heavy sarcasm. What I would like to know, is there anything that this president has done that you Democrats disagree with? If so what? and for the Republican supporters, is there anything this president has done that you do agree with? If so what? It’s not an exercise to get you to vote in another direction but rather to speak as an individual.

Posted by: BZA at August 31, 2012 10:41 PM
Comment #351896

Yes, I think Obama should have used the bully pulpit to push the compromise that was almost reached by the ‘bipartisan’ budget commission. I think Obama should have pushed for true universal healthcare. I think Obama should have let the Bush tax cuts expire. I think Obama should have pulled out of Afghanistan instead of escalating it. I think Obama should have closed Guantanamo Bay. I think Obama should have made a bigger issue of the Republican do-nothing House.

I understand that Republicans have different solutions to our problems and have ideological positions that make compromise difficult, but I also feel that Republicans have gone over the top and have pursued political victories in ways that have damaged our country to the point of being treasonous. From hunting Bill Clinton when they realized that he was not guilty of the Whitewater charges, to the current disinformation that is being spread about Obama, to using religion and fear as weapons of division in order to conquer, to major (successful) attempts to disenfranchise legal citizens voting rights. The last four year campaign to damage the president, regardless of consequences to our nation is not only disheartening, it is flat out abhorrent. I shall find it difficult to ever consider someone calling themselves a Republican as anything other than a dupe or an agent of evil.

That said, I poke at the conservatives here because I think someone needs to go ahead and punch the bully in the nose. I like seeing them cry foul when their own tactics are used against them.

New mission: to make ‘conservative’ a dirty, shameful word in the same way that they (for the most part) made ‘liberal’ one. BTW, is isn’t hard to find the ammunition to do this, we just need a concerted effort to get the accusations and facts in the media.

Posted by: LibRick at September 1, 2012 12:53 AM
Comment #351897

One more point:

By painting Obama as a socialist/communist, foreign devil, the Republicans have made it impossible to compromise with the left without admitting to their flock that they are making a deal with the devil. I never understood this, but now, having seen the ugly underbelly of the whole Republican/conservative machine, I understand.

The Republicans have demonstrated very clearly that compromise will occur on their terms only (as if that is compromise). Like the fanatical middle eastern terrorists that they say they despise so much, the Republican/conservatives use tactics intended to destroy the opposition and they apparently intend to take no prisoners. So I don’t see reaching an accord in the near future. They’d rather see the country destroyed than compromise… because, I guess… they have “values”.

Posted by: LibRick at September 1, 2012 1:01 AM
Comment #351899

“New mission: to make ‘conservative’ a dirty, shameful word in the same way that they (for the most part) made ‘liberal’ one. BTW, is isn’t hard to find the ammunition to do this, we just need a concerted effort to get the accusations and facts in the media.”

Is the a new mission? It has been going on for a long time. The reason liberal became a pejorative is that it described sets of behaviors that were unpopular.

Re “our tactics” - many of us have had fun on this blog simply cutting and pasting what liberals said about conservatives and turning around the words. If it makes sense to you, you are welcome to try that with what I have written over the past eight years. But if you employ “my tactics” you will find that you are being much more polite and reasonable than most of the liberals heretofore have been.

Posted by: C&J at September 1, 2012 1:10 AM
Comment #351900

LibRick, you speak of Republicans wanting compromise on their terms only but reading through your posts I don’t see any sign of middle ground. Would you disagree?

Posted by: BZA at September 1, 2012 1:27 AM
Comment #351937

The “civil war” atmosphere in America is exactly what Obama as pushed for. There has never been a president who has tried to divide America as much as Obama, and yet he ran on a ticket of unifier.

Secondly, the left is outraged at being called names like socialist, communist, or liberal; but there had to come a time when conservatives have heard enough. The left has been calling conservatives derogatory names for a long time. There had to come a time when conservatives pushed back, and I don’t think it is over.

Posted by: Frank at September 1, 2012 8:35 AM
Comment #351938

Yes. I would disagree. Just like the Democrats in congress, I would be willing to compromise on many issues to accomplish goals. The Democrats offered up many compromises and have been damaged by losing enthusiasm and support from part of its party base for doing so.
* the Patient Affordable Health Care Act was a compromise even though no Republican would vote for it. Choices were made to address conservative complaints about the issue.
* deep cuts were offered in budget negotiations. Cuts were deeper than many progressives wanted but the moves were made to meet well past the middle. Rejected by Republicans.
* Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell was a compromise made by progressives after Bill Clinton’s attempt to give full citizenship rights to patriots serving in the military.

You get it. The list is long. Name an issue. I bet you that progressives are willing to negotiate reasonable or at least moderated policy on it.

Posted by: LibRick at September 1, 2012 8:36 AM
Comment #351940

Obama as the divider! Ha! That is rich. He reach out to the other side and had his hand bitten time after time after time.

I’ll say one thing. The Republicans and conservatives are very good at:

1. Rewriting/creating history that is so wrong… they literally rival the worst dictatorships in history in the category of propaganda and lies.
2. Walking lock-step on their talking points to make their lies seem like fact. They take the position that lies repeated often enough and with enough sincerity will become the “new truth”.

Republican strategy has counted on the gullibility and slovenly habits of the average American to buy into their propaganda… and to a large degree, have been rewarded. If Romney is elected and the Republicans gain power, these average Americans will get what they deserve, which will be a decimation of the middle class and a move toward a third world economy of an uber-wealthy ruling class, a thin layer of moderately compensated service class doing their bidding, and a huge impoverished labor class to do all the grunt work.

Invest in brick, mortar, and concertina wire suppliers/manufacturers and start up a security company. The uber-wealthy will have to pay a lot to keep the wolves at bay and will pay the security personnel enough not to be tempted kidnap them either.

Posted by: LibRick at September 1, 2012 9:31 AM
Comment #351947

LibRick, you make good discussion points but then you turn it into the apocalypse and lose people. There’s a reason elected Democrats don’t speak the way you do to their base. It’s too extreme by a lot. I understand that you think Republican policies are detrimental to our nation’s future but US Armageddon? Come on man, that’s way overboard. Here’s my thoughts…this almost feels like Braveheart where there’s unrest and division among a people, meanwhile there’s another country eating their lunch. In our case China. We are selling our country piece by piece to China while lending money to other countries. Does that make sense to you? We don’t have the money to lend. Whoever gets the next 4 years in the White House, if they don’t come up with a good solution for this China situation they are a failure by default. The reliance on them has gone too far.

Posted by: BZA at September 1, 2012 1:24 PM
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I am exasperated trying to reason with conservatives. Apocalypse is nigh.

To expect one party or the other to save us is foolhardy. We must work together. The Tea Party and the modern Rovian political strategies of the conservatives make this impossible.

When you have the leader of the Republicans in the Senate tell you their NUMBER ONE GOAL is to destroy the other party… well, you can see where this will end.

Posted by: LibRick at September 1, 2012 1:45 PM
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Please keep this in mind when talking about Obama not getting the support he needs…If you didn’t want Republicans blocking Obama at every turn then why did you Democrats stop voting? That’s your fault that you didn’t put votes behind the other offices that would have given him the support he needed. Obama easily won the last election so apparently Democrats fell asleep at the wheel and didn’t bother supporting the party two years later. Blame yourselves for that. There were easily enough Obama supporters two years in to keep control.

Posted by: BZA at September 1, 2012 2:27 PM
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You are right of course. Our only hope now is that when Romney wins, WE make our TOP GOAL defeating any legislation that his party puts forth that they think will aid the country… because, obvious to us, those policies failed us in the past.

Perhaps this will be our turn to obstruct and hope that in return we can convince the American people that Romney is a shill for corporate America and hates the American way of life. Perhaps we can go into his belief system and convince Americans that he wants all of us to be successful, convert to Mormonism, and become a God on our own planet one day. Our turn to make the freely elected President of the United States into something of an outsider who wants to worm his way into our society and impose his beliefs on us.

We can go tit for tat until we self destruct. Or are we supposed to play nice with the little brat who took his ball and went home whining to mom and dad?

Is it down to our side or your side winning all? Apparently that is the rules set by the modern conservative movement. Our way or we’re all going down.

Posted by: LibRick at September 1, 2012 3:07 PM
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LibRick

For two years Democrats did not need a single Republican vote and they acted like it.

You mention Obamacare. Republicans didn’t want it. In fact most Americans didn’t want it. It is not a compromise to force me to take something I don’t want claiming you added in things I might like.

“deep cuts were offered in budget negotiations. Cuts were deeper than many progressives wanted but the moves were made to meet well past the middle. Rejected by Republicans.” We are still spending more and government is still bigger than ever. The cuts could not have been enough.

I have said many times that it would be okay with me to get government down to the size it was in 1999, when Clinton was president. Did anybody offer “cuts” enough to get there?

BTW - in Washington “cut” means slower growth. Republican budgets don’t cut most programs; they just don’t let them grow as fast.

Re Lockstep - just a short time ago, you were making fun of Republicans for not being able to agree on much of anything. The problem was Obama’s poor leadership. Great leaders such as Reagan could get cooperation. Democrats like Johnson and Clinton knew how to get things done with people who opposed them. Obama just was not up to the job.

Posted by: C&J at September 1, 2012 4:33 PM
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C&J, you forgot Obama’s latest campaign promise; if he is elected ANOTHER 4 years, he will begin to work with Republicans.

Posted by: Frank at September 1, 2012 5:22 PM
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C&J,

… Obamacare. Republicans didn’t want it. In fact most Americans didn’t want it. It is not a compromise to force me to take something I don’t want claiming you added in things I might like.

I really DO wish you folks would take the time to actually READ the entire plan. No one HAS to take it. You can stay exactly the way you are!

JEEZ!

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