Gov. Ventura Takes A Stand Against TSA

The former Minnesota Governor, Jesse Ventura, has filed a lawsuit to sue TSA and the Department of Homeland Security to get rid of TSA pat downs and scans because they violate the right to privacy.

Many Americans feel as though all rights have been stripped when it comes to TSA, and they're tired of watching grandmothers and young children being patted down at airports. The government no longer belongs to the American people because if it did, we wouldn't be standing in a line watching a 5-year-old pat down in a full body search, by some officer or agent, and doing absolutely nothing about it.

Jesse Ventura is suing because of the way he was searched by TSA and the violation of his rights. As a 6-year honorably discharged veteran, a former Mayor, and former Governor. The point he is making is that he is citizen dedicated to this country, who has been an airline passenger for decades without any discrepancy, yet he is required to submit himself for a violating pat down at an airport to get on a plane.

The case is not for profitable gain on behalf of Ventura, he just wants the government to stop violating American rights, and physically violating American passengers traveling in our country. Americans are being treated like criminals because they booked an airline ticket.

If nothing is done about this, they will continue to literally strip us of our clothing as the years go on. TSA and Janet Nepolitano, the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, have done nothing but file a motion that the case is dismissed. The earliest a judge will see this case would be this summer, and then it will be determined if the government upholds 4th Amendment, the Constitution and Bill of Rights in this country.

While TSA pat downs seem like a minor element in the big picture, Ventura is right that if Americans don't put up a fight, we're going to continue losing our Constitutional rights, one after another. He's making a statement more than he is making a change, but we can hope he will instill the fight in others to get our government back.

Posted by bigtex at July 11, 2012 9:11 PM
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Comment #348291

This violation of our rights should have already taken place in the courts. The American people are like a bunch of sheep being led to the slaughter. I vowed to never fly again. I will not subject myself to this invasion of privacy. Israel seems to have everything under control…why; because they profile and the use trained people who can read people. Instead of doing this, the American government hires a bunch of crackhead high school dropouts, gives them a unform and a badge and unlimited ability to violate grandma’s and little children. It’s about time someone stood up the these communists.

Posted by: O'Leary at July 12, 2012 12:40 AM
Comment #348292

Nice shooting Tex.

I have always wanted to say that.

Where were all of you “red blooded American” whiners before the “Patriot Act” was passed?

“…because they profile and the use trained people who can read people…

So the white guys in their thousand dollar suits and the little grannies are cool, but folks of color that dress differently and people with funny sounding names not so much, right?

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 12, 2012 9:48 AM
Comment #348294

Rocky Marks; everything from you communists/anti-American boils down to racism, doesn’t it. Well here’s what the Israeli government does and it is successful. Let’s see you dispute the facts instead of injecting your racist comments:

“Air travelers in the United States are now given two options at the security gate — be groin-groped by gloved Transportation Security Administration agents, or photographed “naked” in the back-scatter X-ray device that Jeffrey Goldberg at The Atlantic calls “the porn machine.”

Security officials should pay less attention to objects, and more attention to people.
The Israelis do.

They are, out of dreadful necessity, the world’s foremost experts in counterterrorism. And they couldn’t care less about what your grandmother brings on a plane. Instead, officials at Ben Gurion International Airport interview everyone in line before they’re even allowed to check in.

And Israeli officials profile. They don’t profile racially, but they profile. Israeli Arabs breeze through rather quickly, but thanks to the dozens of dubious-looking stamps in my passport — almost half are from Lebanon and Iraq — I get pulled off to the side for more questioning every time. And I’m a white, nominally Christian American.

If they pull you aside, you had better tell them the truth. They’ll ask you so many wildly unpredictable questions so quickly, you couldn’t possibly invent a fake story and keep it all straight. Don’t even try. They’re highly trained and experienced, and they catch everyone who tries to pull something over on them…

The system has its advantages, though, aside from the fact that no one looks or reaches into anyone’s pants. Israelis don’t use security theater to make passengers feel like they’re safe. They use real security measures to ensure that travelers actually are safe. Even when suicide bombers exploded themselves almost daily in Israeli cities, not a single one managed to get through that airport.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/forget_the_porn_machines_NQAJ5DOzf187gdRQnLURlO#ixzz20Pt04IQh

Posted by: O'Leary at July 12, 2012 10:03 AM
Comment #348295

http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/the-tsas-trayvon-martin-revenge/

Posted by: O'Leary at July 12, 2012 10:13 AM
Comment #348296

O’Leary,

“Rocky Marks; everything from you communists/anti-American boils down to racism, doesn’t it.”

And everything from the right wing fringers boils down to crack heads and communists doesn’t it?

Virtually every flight in Israel is an international flight. In America there are literally tens of thousands of flights, just within our borders, every day.

Shall we make the 3.5 hour flight from LAX to JFK a 6 or 7 hour “experience”, or do we just make those pulled out of line take a different flight?

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 12, 2012 10:26 AM
Comment #348297

O’Leary,

“…the American government hires a bunch of crackhead high school dropouts…”

Oh, BTW, there is no hint of racism in that statement, right?

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 12, 2012 10:44 AM
Comment #348298

The question that arises most with Venture is why a guy who claims to be as tough and macho as he is could whine and cry so much. Why is that? And for a guy who claims to be as patriotic as he is, he sure does have a lot of theories about how evil and curropt the US government is.

This is a man who has given merit to the ideas:

1. 9/11 was either allowed or an inside job
2. The Pentagon was hit by a missile
3. Believes along with Alex Jones that the government has a plan for secret internment centers (FEMA camps)
4. That HAARP is a weather control device used to kill people by the US government
5. That the Denver International Airport is a key component in the New World Order

And when he’s called out on this he whines and cries about how he’s just a patriotic American asking questions. Shouldn’t he be allowed to ask questions? Of course, but not without looking like an anti-American idiot.

Now he’s coming out against TSA? Does anyone really want this guy as a spokesperson for the opposition against TSA practices? That’s what I wonder. The guy’s a public relations nightmare.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at July 12, 2012 10:56 AM
Comment #348299

Rocky Marks; you know, one of the problems with communists on th eleft is the ability to make everything much more difficult.
The left screws up the HC system, the public school system, SS, Medicare, the military, and even the DMV. Everything Democrats manage to get their greedy hands involved in, becomes corrupt and difficult. The TSA is a good example of government takeover and injecting themselves into our freedom. Like I said, I made a choice to never fly again; don’t ride trains or buses; and when the government agents start stopping traffic on the highways, I will just stay at home. America deserves what they get. If you vote for Democrats and RINO’s you can expect to lose your freedom.

Posted by: O'Leary at July 12, 2012 11:02 AM
Comment #348300

Yes Adam, and he is also a Democrat. It wasn’t many years ago, he was the darling of the Demcrtic Party in MN; and now he is another Democrat who has been thrown under the bus for voicing his opinion against the assaults on America’s freedoms.

O’Leary, I believe I understand your complaints, even though they may be a little rough around the edges.

From you link, I am assuming you consider the TSA as basically minorities who are given the right to make life miserable for white people?

I’m not sure about that, although I do find it interesting that 21% of the TSA agents are black, compared to 16-17% of the population who are black. That is a high percentage.

I also agree that Israel has a handle on terrorism; simply because they have so much experience with it. I guess we could lear from them, but we have an administration who have shown themselves to be Israel.

Posted by: Frank at July 12, 2012 11:14 AM
Comment #348301

Frank:

If Ventura was ever a Democrat that’s news to me. He’s certainly not a Democrat now and to my knowledge has never run for public office as Democrat. He might have voted Democrat at some point in the past. I fail to see how Democrats could throw him under the bus for any reason but a politician on the fridge like Ventura belongs under the bus.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at July 12, 2012 11:46 AM
Comment #348302

I can’t understand why we won’t racially profile in these situations. Can’t we admit the primary concern is terrorists from the middle east? It’s not the only danger in the world but it’s the truth isn’t it?

I don’t see the personal inspections as effective or worthwhile but still this is whining. The right to privacy is largely conjured from stretched interpretations of the constitution and even so, the trauma of the search is greatly exaggerated.

Posted by: Schwamp at July 12, 2012 12:45 PM
Comment #348303

Adam Ducker, you are correct and I was wrong; Ventura was never a Democrat. He actually stated he had never voted for Democrats or Republicans. Although many of his platform beliefs mirrored those of the Democratic platform.

Posted by: Frank at July 12, 2012 3:26 PM
Comment #348364
Shall we make the 3.5 hour flight from LAX to JFK a 6 or 7 hour “experience”

Are you asserting that it isn’t already? I fly quite often for my job and I can assure you that our current environment is anything but time friendly (or any other kind of friendly).

Posted by: rhinehold at July 13, 2012 12:57 PM
Comment #348365

BTW, most of the comments in this thread are ‘irrelevant’. The problem is whether individual rights are being violated, and they are. Everything else is just noise, obfuscation and deflection. Like Adam asking where the ‘whiners’ were before the Patriot Act, just me people like Jesse and those interested in individual rights were against that (and previous laws like the RICO statues that it was built upon). That you can’t get your head around that is a sign of how partisanship has invaded the discussion and why the Democratic Party is no longer the party of Jefferson…

Posted by: Rhinehold at July 13, 2012 1:01 PM
Comment #348367

Rhinehold,

“BTW, most of the comments in this thread are ‘irrelevant’. The problem is whether individual rights are being violated, and they are. Everything else is just noise, obfuscation and deflection.”

There is no right to fly, and those that are bitching the loudest knew the rules when they bought their ticket.

Even those subject to the way the Israelis do things give up the right to privacy when they choose to fly.
I too fly frequently for business, sometimes internationally.
I assume the inconvenience of the security checks as a part of the “convenience” of being able to be where I want to be in a few hours instead of days, and I know going in that if I want to fly I have to submit to the indignity of those security measures.

Life changed for Americans on Sept. 11th, and not for the better. Rights were lost, and the right to privacy was not the least of them.

With all due respect to Mr. Ventura, he is tilting at windmills and needs to recognize the reality of flying for what it is.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 13, 2012 1:23 PM
Comment #348369
There is no right to fly, and those that are bitching the loudest knew the rules when they bought their ticket.

Following that logic, there is no right to walk down a street, but by walking down the street we are not subjected to unreasonable search and seizure. We can’t just be patted down and groped without reasonable suspicion. The same goes for the airports.

The only one whining are those that think that we need to give up our rights in order to prevent some disaster, which is laughable at best…

I want to fly I have to submit to the indignity of those security measures.

Ok, so if you want to own a house in the United States, you should feel free to submit to a camera being placed in every room for security measures, right? Need to make sure you aren’t doing drugs, beating your kids, making bombs or meth AND any home invasion would be immediately seen and recorded for later prosecution.

Are you ok with these things as well?

Life changed for Americans on Sept. 11th, and not for the better. Rights were lost, and the right to privacy was not the least of them.

Only because of people like you who don’t value them. Congratulations on destroying America and giving the terrorists get exactly what they want.

Posted by: Rhinehold at July 13, 2012 2:26 PM
Comment #348373
The problem is whether individual rights are being violated, and they are.

Which individual right is that Rhinehold? The guy with the bomb’s right to fly unhindered as he chooses to blow the airplane out of the sky or my individual right to fly between points A&B without getting blown up by this guy’s bomb? His rights have to end before he gets on board not after.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 13, 2012 3:12 PM
Comment #348375

Sorry, j2t2, but the rights being violated are NOT those of bombers, but of innocent citizens without any probable cause. What you are saying is that it would be ok to place cameras in everyone’s houses to catch those who make meth. It’s not only an idiotic argument but it leads to further and further erosions of civil rights in the United States.

99.9999% of the people who fly on airplanes are NOT bombers. You cannot violate the rights of innocent people who have done no wrong and you have so suspicion of doing wrong to try to stop the 1 guy in a trillion who might try to bomb a plane.

Again, the terrorists win when you use that mindset.

Posted by: Rhinehold at July 13, 2012 3:42 PM
Comment #348377

Rhinehold,

“Following that logic, there is no right to walk down a street, but by walking down the street we are not subjected to unreasonable search and seizure. We can’t just be patted down and groped without reasonable suspicion. The same goes for the airports.”

Oh bull***t.
You aren’t being patted down or groped unless you wish to board the airplane. You and I own the sidewalk through the taxes we pay. An airport is also public property, an airliner is not.

The airlines provide a service that is a privilege, not a right, to use. The airlines pay handsomely to use our public property and they should be allowed to feel secure about who uses it.

“Only because of people like you who don’t value them. Congratulations on destroying America and giving the terrorists get exactly what they want.”

Again hyperbole.

Security measures on airliners before Sept. 11th were totally inadequate. If you don’t want to give up your right to privacy, you don’t “have” to fly.

As for giving the terrorists what they want, I am sure they stayed up nights thinking of ways to keep people off of airliners.

Rocky


Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 13, 2012 3:59 PM
Comment #348379

Sorry on last post, wrong column.

Posted by: Frank at July 13, 2012 4:44 PM
Comment #348381
Oh bull***t.

Ah, the classy debate technique.

You aren’t being patted down or groped unless you wish to board the airplane. You and I own the sidewalk through the taxes we pay. An airport is also public property, an airliner is not.

If the people groping you were not doing so under the auspice of a governmental laws/agency, the ones who are bound by the limits of the constitution, you MIGHT have a case. But it doesn’t matter if the plane is private property if the government is the one requiring the patting down. Would you allow certain airlines to operate outside the TSA, allowing people to board the plane without the patdown/groping? If the security were in place entirely as a private enterprise, it wouldn’t violate the individual’s rights, but since that is not the case, it does.

Again hyperbole.

Sorry, no. The terrorists attacked us to instill fear into the population so that they would turn on the government and demand that their liberties, which they do not want us to have, be taken away from them. And we did exactly what they wanted, we caved to the fear.

Security measures on airliners before Sept. 11th were totally inadequate.

Inadequate for what? Security measures on airlines After Sept. 11th are also inadequate as well. They will ALWAYS be inadequate because people are smart and will find ways around it.

You do realize that if there were absolutely NO security on planes that 9/11 would still never happen again, right? It was a one off because we listened to our government to do nothing if a plane was hijacked. It was what we were told to do, and it led to 9/11. Any future attempts are going to result in what happened to flight 93…

Of course, that would take reason and logic, not fear and emotion. Not something that many are interested in this state of hyper-fear that the politicians are using to advance their desires of more power over our lives…

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