When science is fiction

The data that underpins all the arguments for human induced climate change are a baseless concoction of lies. We now know this for a certainty since someone did us the favor of releasing internal documents from the central scientists involved in this, “greatest lie ever told.”

According to liberal scientists we must have total faith in their conclusions. We can't check their data, we can't check their models or the statistical algorithms upon which their conclusions are based. The programming of their software is off limits. In fact, we now know that the underlying raw data for their conclusions no longer exists! It was destroyed. How convenient.

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.

The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation. ~timesonline.co.uk


The global warming threat to humanity is exactly what it seems to be, scare mongering. Scare mongering with a political purpose. It is meant to part us with our liberty and property. The political hacks pushing this agenda already have mountains of laws ready to enact upon us which will have the effect of controlling every aspect of our lives. After all, if all human activity is to blame for destroying the planet then all human activity will have to be regulated in order to save the planet.

With the release of these emails and some of the data included we are finally seeing some peer review of this fraudulent science.

Anthropogenic Global Warming is a complete fraud and a swindle. It has been used purely as a vehicle to advance a radical agenda. Now we have proof that the 'scientists' whose entire career is based on fraudulent science have in fact been cooking the books, making up numbers, suppressing evidence, and silencing dissent. Billions of dollars are now being funelled into climate science research with the sole purpose of proving the already decided verdict of implicating human activity. This is not science.

Besides the fact that legislation based on fraudulent science, like cap and trade, will destroy our economy and severely limit the freedom of every citizen there are a great many people invested in pushing this agenda forward.

Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation

Former NASA climate scientist pleads guilty to contract fraud

Researcher: NASA hiding climate data

Posted by Eric Simonson at December 4, 2009 11:54 PM
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Comment #292086

Eric

We believe that the evidence indicates that climate change is happening and humans are contributing.

We also understand that people like Al Gore lied to us about the EXTENT and that a climate change industry has grown up with a vested interest in creating hysteria.

There is a reasonable middle ground between the hysteria and dishonesty of the Gore crowd and the complete negation of the problem. We can do reasonable things to use less oil.

Even w/o global warming, we should still reduce oil consumption. Most of the exportable oil is controlled by crooks and despots. We should work to free ourselves from their bad influence.

IT will be good to have more American fuel, more renewable, more nuclear and less oil.

So just because lots of dishonest people have been involved in selling climate change does not mean that they are completely wrong.

Posted by: Christine at December 4, 2009 11:25 PM
Comment #292089

This issue brings out the worst in the conservative crazies. Is it any wonder only 6% of US scientists identify themselves as Republicans?

So now British scientists are attempting to destroy the US economy, collapse industry, and break the American people. Uh huh. And all the data gathered by all the scientists from all the other countries in the world… is a hoax. And this hoax is being perpetuated by the scientists AND the governments of China, India, Russia, the EU, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Australia, and more; by capitalists and communists and socialists and all those in-between, because they’re all out to get America. The whole world is in on it.

I see.

Well, I guess it’s time to confess. This hoax is only possible because of a successful liberal plot to weaken American minds by fluoridating the water supply.

Posted by: phx8 at December 5, 2009 12:33 AM
Comment #292095

This kind of reminds me of those pictures from Africa where witches are burned to death. Not much different than the witch burners here. Salem lives on.

How can one identify themselves with a party overrun by these kinds of manic obsessions and ignorance?

Posted by: gergle at December 5, 2009 2:44 AM
Comment #292096

Ah yes, the religion states that anyone who disagrees with unproven theories must be ignorant. Never forget that.

Posted by: Rhinehold at December 5, 2009 3:19 AM
Comment #292097

All
I retired to the Philippines. This year we suffered two devasting typhoons. The RP usually gets typhoons. Nothing extroardinary about that but the rainfall levels set new records as did the damage wrought. Even the old ones can never remember it rainning so much. The reason is higher ocean temperatures due to global warmming. You all can live in denial for awhile. There is about a billion people that can not afford that luxury. We are too busy digging up the bodies. Guess what. This same billion people are not going to wait for the West to pull its head out of the darkness.

Well,Christine
This palpable twaddle denying the overwhelmming scientfic evidence with the clear intention of protecting the vested interest of BIG OIL,the francise owners of the Rep Party, in not loyal opposition either. Its dangerious hooliganism. Its thugery.

Posted by: bills at December 5, 2009 3:43 AM
Comment #292099

bills,

Interesting, why do you suppose the ocean temps are rising but the land temps are not? And why is this happening there but not anywhere else? Hurricanes in the NH have been far below anything record shattering. The temps for the past 10 years have been on a downward trend. Over the last 30, that we can accurately measure (that’s the real issue with what is going on…) it has been a very very minor rise in temps overall, nearly flat.

But you’re right, people are just ‘sticking up for big oil’, people like me who are environmentalists but just disagree with the conclusions based on guesses on past temps that are fudged to match the conclusions.

You see, I’d rather know the facts, including why the theories aren’t matching up to reality, than worry about the politics of it. But when I see people on both sides act like you and gergle are… I sometimes wonder if science has any place at all in the lives of most people. And that’s a big admission of mine, I always just assumed everyone was like me and was interested in knowing what is going on.

Posted by: Rhinehold at December 5, 2009 3:52 AM
Comment #292100

BTW, bills, you’re ok with the intentional and coordinated deletion of emails associated with a freedom of information act request? You would have defended Bush if he was caught doing that? You wouldn’t say that it casts doubts on everything that passed through his office because of it?

I find this hard to believe…

Posted by: Rhinehold at December 5, 2009 3:56 AM
Comment #292102

Rhinehold,

ummm, no those who believe in things based on a feeling rather than science.

The preponderance of the evidence is still with AGW. Even in Eric’s first link the following article points out the flaws in the claim of a “fudge factor”. Yet, there are those who continue to look for any reason not to look at the science. Kinda like evolution vs. creation. Witches vs. physical phenonmena. Eric’s theories vs. Climatology.

Have other evidence that anyone associated with science thinks is more valid? A couple of emails about some dischord among scientists and some conflicts in data and some people come up with massive fraud and collusion.

Is the data somewhat shakey? Yep. We simply do not have good long term data. Is extrapolation and data correction going on? Yep. Have these possible errors been openly discussed and accounted for? Yep.

Any serious discussion of climate change involves an understanding of the variability of possible consequences. Sort of like a CBO analysis depends on economic projections.

You don’t have to believe anything, Rhinehold, but you should at least read through a site like RC, so that you actually understand the issues involved, rather than ranting about yearly temperature highs or quoting some crank.

Posted by: gergle at December 5, 2009 8:25 AM
Comment #292103

BTW, I was also a skeptic, until I did some reading on the subject, suggested by Stephen.

Ignorance isn’t bliss in this case.

Posted by: gergle at December 5, 2009 8:30 AM
Comment #292109

Two good articles explaining why there’s no real conspiracy in the ‘Climategate’ emails: Why there’s no sign of a climate conspiracy in hacked emails and Elizabeth May: An Informed Look at the East Anglia Emails

Further explanation of why Eric’s protestations are nonsense: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=seven-answers-to-climate-contrarian-nonsense

Eric wants AGW not to be true, and that’s really the only source of his objection. That’s not science.

Posted by: LawnBoy at December 5, 2009 9:17 AM
Comment #292110

BillS

I think your criticism is misdirected. I believe that global warming is happening and that humans are influencing it. I also believe that Al Gore lied and that a climate change interest group is involved with cooking numbers and profiteering off hysteria they are whipping up.

Both things are true. Climate change is a serious, but a manageable problem. Many of the solutions proposed by activists will not address the problem.

We wrote in more detail in an earlier post..

We are just MORE realistic about these things. The climate lobby implies that we can stop global warming through the actions and rhetoric of government and the passionate commitment of individual activists. We know that this is impossible.

The climate WILL warm, because there is already enough GHG in the atmosphere to do that. Places like the Maldives are already doomed. It is like the light of a distance star. The event has happened; we just ain’t got the news. We have to adapt.

We also talked about the need for higher energy prices and expanded nuclear power.

So what is it about what we wrote that you believe is palpable twaddle designed to protect big oil?

Posted by: Christine at December 5, 2009 9:22 AM
Comment #292116

The conclusion here, that AGW is a fraud and swindle, is premature and irrelevant to the real issue: is the science of climate change real science?

IMO the scientist involved with climate change need to get to work fast in order to save their profession. I understand that is happening although there are issues like the protection of raw data by various sources. A little house cleaning in the technical world is definitely in order.

Until that happens I’m going to save off making conclusions as Eric has done here. No doubt people who have advocated AGW have also put themselves in a position to profit (including ManBearPig). But he’s not a scientist, and right now what we have is a scientific community issue. If they can’t police themselves then they better start looking for a new career.

Posted by: George at December 5, 2009 11:05 AM
Comment #292119

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnOSnJJSP5c An algae photobioreactor on the roof of MIT university. The clear polycarbonate tubes are approx 3 meters high, and 10-20 centimeters in diameter. It removes up to 86% of the NOx and 40% of the CO… Since this Video i believe this system was installed in South Africa.

Posted by: Rodney Brown at December 5, 2009 12:10 PM
Comment #292121

only fools and opportunists claim that humans caused global warming. It happens, there’s nothing strange about it. But we cannot deny that our actions are contributing to it’s more rapid advance.

Posted by: Mike Falino at December 5, 2009 12:57 PM
Comment #292122

Rhinehold,

I provided evidence in the other recent thread that the climate right now is the warmest its been in thousands of years, yet you still assert Anthropogenic Global Warming as an “unproven” theory. I don’t know what standards you use to define a theory as “proven” or “unproven”. In scientific discourse, any hypothesis that has evidence to prove it is called a theory, and the notion that increasing the CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere will warm the planet and cause other climatological impacts (either directly or indirectly via various feedbacks). Is it 100% proven? No, even the last IPCC report stated that there was 90% chance that the warming trend is caused by CO2 released by humans. However, nearly all scientific theories find themselves in the same region of certainty. The evidence for human induced global warming is comparable to the evidence that the universe is 13-16 billion years old or the evidence for plate tectonics, both of which are well-established.

As far as I know, of the dozens paleoclimatology studies that have done and published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, not one suggests that temperatures were warmer 1000 years ago. There is some evidence that the North Atlantic may have been warmer, but that is a local trend. Globally, temperatures were cooler then (but much less cool than in the intervening centuries).

Posted by: Warped Reality at December 5, 2009 1:36 PM
Comment #292138

Christine,

I respect your position, but… the dishonesty and the outright propaganda involved in AGW is undeniable and quite frankly borders on criminality. The claims and demands of advocates are so extreme that it warrants a demand of extreme proof.

When ‘scientists’ fudge the numbers in drug studies so that drug companies can avoid fully testing their products do we trust what the drug company says about how safe the drug actually is? What if they then demanded that we all take that drug on a daily basis?

The same applies here. James Hansen, NASA climate scientist and radical global warming advocate says that the, “Earth is in imminent peril.” (And he is hardly alone in expressing radical statements.) And thus we essentially need to suspend the constitution, stop all economic activity that contributes to global warming in order to reverse it. Since it is all human activity that causes global warming then the remedy is to control all human activity.

The Mann hockey stick graph is the central evidence used on global warming. It is this data that has been manufactured in order to erase the Medieval warming period and create a spike in temperatures.

There is just way too much hockey pokey going on in climate science for us to make the huge decisions that are being demanded on the basis of this flimsy evidence.

Posted by: Eric Simonson at December 5, 2009 10:38 PM
Comment #292144
And thus we essentially need to suspend the constitution, stop all economic activity that contributes to global warming in order to reverse it. Since it is all human activity that causes global warming then the remedy is to control all human activity.

This is pure hyperbole. No mainstream person or group that I know of has advocated for such radical measures. The threat posed by global warming is a loss in GDP in the future due to money spent combating the implications of climate change(examples: increased damage from future hurricanes, abandoning some coastal regions such as New Orleans and Venice). This loss of future GDP can be prevented though the expenditure of less money today, such as a tax on carbon. A tax on carbon emissions could also have other unintended benefits, such as lowering the deficit or allowing us to cut other taxes (such as income taxes).

I still haven’t seen an iota of evidence to support the claim that Mann’s publications are false or based on fabricated evidence. In fact dozens of other independent scientists have published similar reconstructions which lead to similar conclusions as Mann’s, which only serves to strengthen the consensus within the scientific community regarding the nature of the recent warming trend.

Posted by: Warped Reality at December 6, 2009 12:22 AM
Comment #292158
the dishonesty and the outright propaganda involved in AGW is undeniable…
Your claim that something is undeniable is not evidence that it’s real.
The Mann hockey stick graph is the central evidence used on global warming. It is this data that has been manufactured in order to erase the Medieval warming period and create a spike in temperatures.
Wrong on two counts.
  • The hockey stick isn’t the central evidence - there’s lots of other evidence that scientists consider more important.
  • If everything the CRU ever touched were thrown away, the hockey stick would still exist because of the many other independent lines of evidence.

This is akin to creationist complaints about missing transitional fossils. Not only do they not understand how strong the evidence for evolution is without the fossil record, they don’t understand that transitional fossils have been found everywhere.

Posted by: LawnBoy at December 6, 2009 9:21 AM
Comment #292202

Lawnboy, thanks for your comments. I believe you also educated me.

Posted by: gergle at December 6, 2009 8:20 PM
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