Governor Palin


Eschewing the obvious pun on Governor Sarah Palin’s name, any analysis of this suddenly-famous Alaskan is basically a comparison to the three men already in the race. Palin was Global Review’s favorite for the veep slot (I regret I didn’t write that a few days ago), and she brings strengths to the race, in a way perhaps only Governor Bobby Jindal could have matched.

Palin and McCain.
  • Palin's young; McCain is old. Balance.
  • Palin's female; McCain is male. Balance.
  • Palin's a former mayor and sitting governor; McCain is a legislator. Balance.
  • Palin's strongly pro-life; McCain is weakly pro-life. Balance.
  • Palin's warm and cuddly; Cindy McCain is powerful, and quiet about her good deeds. Who's really the first lady here?
  • Palin's a proved reformer; McCain is a proven reformer. Emphasis.
  • Palin's not very loyal to the GOP; McCain is not very loyal to the GOP. The voters are not very loyal to the GOP.

Bottom line: Palin balances the ticket very well and exemplifies the strengths of the next generation of the GOP.

Palin and Biden
  • Palin's a reformist governor; Biden is an old-school senator. Palin wins.
  • Palin's well-spoken and poised; Biden is your uncle after too many drinks. Palin wins.
  • Palin is a woman; Biden is a tough debater. Neutralization of a key Biden strength.
  • Palin has a cute family; Biden has a cute family. Neutralization.
  • Palin has a working class husband; Biden has working class family. Neutralization.
  • Palin's balances her ticket; Biden balances his ticket.

Bottom line: Biden's a bigger, stronger senator than Obama, and there was a risk he could run roughshod over a Romney or a Pawlenty. He can't run roughshod over Palin without looking ungentlemanly; besides, she's spritelier.

Palin and Obama
  • Obama's young, Palin's younger.
  • Obama has no executive experience, Palin's the only executive in the race.
  • Obama's an outsider, Palin's a further-outsider.
  • Obama started in dirty Chicago politics, Palin reformed dirty Alaska politics.
  • Obama's got a brief record, Palin's got a briefer record.
  • Obama has a great public persona, Palin has a great public persona.
  • Obama has a great personal narrative, Palin has a good personal narrative.
  • Obama has a cute family, Palin has a cute family.
  • Obama's a novelty, Palin's a novelty.
  • Obama's African-American (13% of the U.S. pop), Palin's a woman (51% of the U.S. pop).
  • Obama's a loyal partisan, Palin assaulted the corrupt Alaska GOP from within.

Bottom line: I had to reverse the order of the comparisons here. In sketching this, it quickly became obvious why Palin was chosen: she mitigates almost all of Obama's innate advantages. At the bottom of the ticket, of course, she's can't punch her weight, but Obama's a hard candidate to land good punches on anyway. Palin represents a positive way of running against Obama: she can affirm all his personal strengths, but add to them actual executive experience.

Crucially, Palin can speak from personal experience on a number of issues. She has a son in the military - take that, Michael Moore. She's Alaskan, and her husband is an oilman of the blue collar variety, so she can speak knowledgeably about drilling. She's a woman who gave birth to a Down's Syndrome baby, so she can speak compassionately and passionately about children's right to life and the evils of eugenics. She was a mayor, so she can speak about hometown issues with a fluency the three senators in the race seriously lack. She was a governor and a reformist, giving her more executive experience than the three senators in the race combined.

She represents the future of the GOP. Palin-Jindal 2012, anyone?

Posted by Chops at August 29, 2008 2:18 PM
Comments
Comment #260050

I’ll repeat my question:
In a forum earlier in the year McCain was asked:
“How do we beat the bitch” referring to Hillary.

What was McCain’s immediate five word response?

Posted by: charles ross at August 29, 2008 2:37 PM
Comment #260051

His immediate response was to look around in obvious embarrassment while the crowd laughed and some guy off-camera made a comment about his own ex-wife, wipe his face. He then tried to recover with, “Let me give the translation”. Video here.

Posted by: Chops at August 29, 2008 2:42 PM
Comment #260054

“What would you do as VP?”
“First you would have to explain to me what the V.P. does.” - Palin

Source: @ around 2:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pak-rH0dCeA

Ummmmm, yeah. Palin was mayor of a town smaller than most community colleges, and governor for 18 months of Alaska. Her credentials for those jobs? She was a former beauty pageant winner…

Let’s call a spade a spade. The pick of Biden was all about what’s best for the country. The pick of Palin was all about cynically finding a political tool to siphon away some of Clinton’s voters.

Politically, she is an inspired choice, but only in the most cynical disgusting manner of assuming women will vote for any woman, regardless of experience or policy positions.

Posted by: Max at August 29, 2008 2:48 PM
Comment #260059
The pick of Biden was all about what’s best for the country

It was? Then why didn’t your put him on the front of the ticket? Why doesn’t Obama let him be president while he takes the VP role?

How was he anything other than a balance to Obama’s inexperience? He’s an insider, career politician, the exact kind that Obama says we shouldn’t be letting run the government, all the while being told to say that by Tom Daschle, another insider and career politician…

Oh, and an attack dog who is more rabid than McCain when he gets angry.

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 2:58 PM
Comment #260060

no, sorry chop’s, wrong answer. His immediate response to the question was to complement the person asking the question by remarking: “That is an excellent question”.
Now, knowing this, and knowing that the complete response has been all over the internet for months now, what chance do you think John McCain has in attracting Hillary voters? The entire Q&A is on Youtube. I would urge all women to take a look at it before falling in love with McCain.
He had a real chance at that moment to make his case for attracting the eighteen million voters who chose Hillary and he BLEW IT!

Posted by: charles ross at August 29, 2008 3:00 PM
Comment #260061

Well, Max, for a beauty-queen lightweight, she’s done some ballsy things in a brief career in public service. She brought down the state chairman of her own party for corruption, risked her political career opposing the Murkowski machine - and then defeated it. She ran a tight budgetary ship in Alaska, and has more knowledge of the oil and gas industry than Obama, Biden, or McCain.

Obama has opposed whom within his own party? What tough decisions has he made? Which budget has he balanced? What corruption has he exposed? What pork projects has he killed?

Obama is 47 and has been in public service since 1997. Palin is 44 and has been in public service since 1992. Maybe some think that the state legislature is the most important level of government, but I suspect a lot more people know who their mayor is than who their state senator is!

Posted by: Chops at August 29, 2008 3:03 PM
Comment #260062

Charles -

You are hilarious. I don’t know how I start my day without you. Re-watch the video, which I linked to above.

Posted by: Chops at August 29, 2008 3:05 PM
Comment #260067

Charles, he says that after every questions, it’s an autoresponse that is taught in some management schools. I have managers that do that to me, no matter if my question is good or completely idiotic.

If you think that people really think he thought that calling Hillary a bitch was a ‘good question’, and that Hillary supporters are not going to take a second look at him after being treated as they were during the primaries and convention, good luck with that.

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 3:10 PM
Comment #260068

It is a losing argument for the Dems to argue experience. Governor Palin’s experience, although not substantial, is equal to or greater than Barack’s; and she does not lead the ticket. She is a reformer who has proven results and a record of bipartisan cooperation. Obama is an absentee senator, who has bailed on bipartisan efforts he has started.

Posted by: Tom Besly at August 29, 2008 3:13 PM
Comment #260069

“what chance do you think John McCain has in attracting Hillary voters?”

About as good of a chance as Obama does in attracting the votes of us typical white people who cling to our guns and bibles?

Judging by the responses, it seems this pick scares you all some. Interesting.

Posted by: kctim at August 29, 2008 3:15 PM
Comment #260071

chops, rhinehold. It’s all right there in the video.
John McCain’s response TO THE QUESTIONER started with “That’s an excellent question.”
No, it wasn’t an “excellent” question. It was a misogynist attact made upon Palin’s “inspiration”, Hillary Clinton, that McCain pretty obviously thought was hilarious.
Good luck, John.

Posted by: charles ross at August 29, 2008 3:17 PM
Comment #260075

kctim,
Scared? No. Highly amused? Definitely.

But my favorite one is the talking point that Palin has seven years “executive experience.” LOL. She was mayor of a town with a population of 6,500. I really enjoy that kind of ‘whistling past the graveyard’ talking point.

This is going to be priceless.

Posted by: phx8 at August 29, 2008 3:24 PM
Comment #260077

Nicely crafted article, Chops.

It certainly appears at this point that Palin was a smart choice politically. I think she’ll help McCain in states he really must win, like North Carolina, Virginia, and Indiana. I don’t think it will be enough, and those states will certainly continue to be in play.

I do think she’s awfully thin on experience, and her lack of presidential timbre, given McCain’s age, is a real negative, that may hurt a bit. But every choice has downsides, and many of your comparisons are apt.

I also appreciate that you own up to some of Obama’s very real positives - his personal narrative, and public persona. In spite of what you refer to as his partisan loyalty, Obama is challenging Democrats to own up to certain shortcomings, and do a better job at working across the aisle to find solutions.

I would also suggest that McCain is more strongly pro-life than you indicate, but even if the ardent pro-lifers think of him as weak on that issue, it’s hardly balance to have two pro-life candidates in a nation which is clearly majority pro-choice. With at least one or two of the more “liberal” Supreme Court justices likely to not stay on the bench for four more years, electing McCain-Palin is going to give many folks pause on that issue alone. Where it helps McCain is in boosting the turn-out of the evangelicals for whom the abortion issue is paramount.

Your readers should know that Palin supported the teaching of creationism alongside evolution in the Alaska schools. On the other hand after consulting a constitutional attorney, she vetoed a bill which would have denied rights in Alaska to gays.

Truly this is an historic year, and I will tip my hat to McCain for a smart choice, but at the end of the day, Obama’s vision should carry the day. I’m certainly hoping so.

Posted by: Walker Willingham at August 29, 2008 3:24 PM
Comment #260080
She was mayor of a town with a population of 6,500.

And Obama represented about twice that as a state senator, gaining no executive experience.

This is going to be priceless.

That we can agree on.

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 3:30 PM
Comment #260083

Trophy VP? Who do you have to …….to get ahead around here?

This is only going to make McCain look older and more senile.

Posted by: googlumpugus at August 29, 2008 3:38 PM
Comment #260086

How about this spotlight of McCain here is some photos of John McCain showing how old and sick he is. This is just sad.

http://art-of-politics.blogspot.com

Posted by: John at August 29, 2008 3:41 PM
Comment #260089

Chops -

I don’t think you or any of the other conservatives/Republicans on here really liked Palin. I think all of you wanted someone else and are rather disappointed with his pick.

But I think all of also realize that he’s based his pick not on experience or readiness to be President, but on the hope that she’ll help him win…and you’re all trying to put the best face you can on it.

Just remember - if McCain had really cared about choosing a woman who could step in and be president, he would’ve picked longtime congresswoman Kay Bailey Hutchinson from Texas.

So why did he pick Palin?

He left his disfigured wife for a pretty heiress.
He chose someone younger and prettier than Hutchinson.

Experience or ability to lead wasn’t real high on his list of priorities.

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at August 29, 2008 3:43 PM
Comment #260091

I was really hoping that the Biden and Palin picks would end the debate over “experience” - now both tickets have an old hand and a young face. But maybe it’s going to go the other way… mudslinging about, “my candidate is less inexperienced than yours!”

I don’t think the experience issue can possibly help the Dems, though. If they convince voters that experience is really important, those voters are going to vote the top of the ticket: McCain. You can’t win an election by comparing your presidential nominee to the opponent’s VP, and it’s a stretch to see Obama-Biden winning on the motto “Experienced Washington Insiders for Change”.

Posted by: Chops at August 29, 2008 3:44 PM
Comment #260090

It’s all over for Obama. Palin will finally get the conservative base solidly behind McCain and she’ll bring over many non-liberal women. The Republicans will get at least a small bump before their convention even begins.

Watch for the Obama camp try to weasel out of the VP debate. Putting an born attack dog (and that’s really all that Biden is good for in this election) up against an accomplished reformer just won’t fly, especially for a ticket that supposedly about “change.”

Posted by: Republicwin at August 29, 2008 3:44 PM
Comment #260092

If experience as a governor is all that then why not pick Mitt? This has got to be embarassing for him.

Posted by: Schwamp at August 29, 2008 3:44 PM
Comment #260094

It’s a good thing McCain isn’t in a wheelchair or else he would be even more unfit for command than the left say he is already.

Apparently one of the qualifications to be president, according to the left, is that you have to be young and virile.

I can see why FDR tried to hide his issues…

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 3:45 PM
Comment #260095

If picking an experienced Senator for VP is all that then why not pick Hillary?? This has got to be embarassing for her.

Posted by: Tom Besly at August 29, 2008 3:47 PM
Comment #260096
Your readers should know that Palin supported the teaching of creationism alongside evolution in the Alaska schools.

Further, she doesn’t accept the science behind global warming. So, another anti-science Republican.

What’s so maverick about all this again?

Posted by: LawnBoy at August 29, 2008 3:47 PM
Comment #260097

He doesn’t have a history of being a reformer? He hasn’t taken on his own party in an effort to clean it up? If the Republicans are going to win, they are going to need that, I would think…

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 3:48 PM
Comment #260099

Here’s the thing, Obama has always been at the top of his game - harvard law school, harvard law review editor, professor at University of Chicago, etc. Palin doesn’t even appear to have had a job until her political career started. She has zero legislative experience. There’s nothing to her resume that suggests she has a clue about foriegn policy or international issues of any kind.

She’s not Clinton. She’s Harriet Myers - a not especially accomplished woman chosen for token reasons.

Choosing her is like calling for a hail mary pass to be made. It’s a huge risk, and who knows, maybe it will pay off. But it says a lot about how McCain feels about his position versus Obama’s: namely that he is on the ropes.

Posted by: Max at August 29, 2008 3:52 PM
Comment #260102

Max,

What it tells me is that he feels he has the ability to do what he wants…

It was Obama who had pigeonholed himself into picking Biden, he needed someone with experience, even a long time washington insider.

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 3:55 PM
Comment #260105

Max said:

Palin doesn’t even appear to have had a job until her political career started. She has zero legislative experience.

She worked as a reporter and as a commercial fisherman. That’s not “work” and writing for the Harvard Law Review is? Look at this and see if you can imagine why Obama doesn’t do very well with working-class voters, and why the Gore/Kerry/Obama succession hasn’t been able to shake the “elitist” label.

Biden, on the other hand, passed the bar exam in 1969 and became a Senator in 1972. That the kind of “real job” experience you looking for?

Posted by: Chops at August 29, 2008 4:00 PM
Comment #260106

She has zero legislative experience.

She was a City Counselma-wo-person.

There’s nothing to her resume that suggests she has a clue about foriegn policy or international issues of any kind

So she’s like the TOP of your ticket??? You Dems can’t argue experiance anymore without having it backfire on Obama. She has time to learn these issues. Obama doesn’t.

Posted by: Republicwin at August 29, 2008 4:01 PM
Comment #260107

Sen. McCain’s choice of Gov. Sarah Palin demonstrates once again his poor judgment. Sen. McCain is elderly and that increases the liklihood of Gov. Palin having to step in as President of the United States. This fact reflects poor judgment on McCain’s part on several levels.

First, Gov. Palin is a first term Governor without the executive experience McCain criticizes Obama for not having. If Sen. Joe Biden has to step up to President, he brings decades of foreign intelligence and foreign diplomacy experience to the office. Not so, with Gov. Palin.

Second, Gov. Palin is a relative unknown outside the Republican inner-circle. She doesn’t bring any competitive edge to his campaign save for the fact that she is a woman. The presumption here is that Gov. Palin’s female status may attract disaffected Hillary supporters.

Apparently, Sen. McCain didn’t watch the Democratic Convention, for if he had, he would have realized that that there are very, very, few disaffected Hillary supporters anymore that can be attracted to the McCain ticket. So, the one important drawing card for choosing Palin, is nullified by the unity found in the DNC’s convention this week. Very poor judgment, here.

Third, given that Gov. Palin brings no economics education or experience to the ticket, nor foreign affairs experience or education, it leaves the distinct impression that Sen. McCain chose her for one, and only one purpose, to broaden his political campaign’s appeal to women voters. If that is the case, is not Sen. McCain putting politics ahead of the needs of the nation, and his personal aspirations ahead of the country?

It would certainly appear so. The hypocrisy of this is enormous as Sen. McCain’s attacks upon Obama were centered on claims that Obama was in this for himself and not the American people. That he was a celebrity, and lacking the experience to lead. McCain’s campaign has alluded to Obama’s meteoric rise in politics as ego based, like that of a rock star or other Hollywood celebrity.

And yet, here is Sen. McCain selecting a V.P. candidate on what appears to be no more than possible political gain based on gender, rather than assets needed by the nation in facing its enormous challenges, created and grown by the Bush Administration and the Republican Congress. To be fair, Gov. Pallin does bring a record of fighting corruption in Alaskan government, to her great credit.

But for nearly all the reasons McCain has criticized Obama for not being ready for the White House, he has selected a VP candidate who lacks the same qualities McCain criticized Obama for. Judgment simply doesn’t get poorer than this. And pales in comparison to Obama’s choice of Sen. Joseph Biden as his VP choice.

This decision by Sen. McCain does highlight the reckless and risky way by which McCain was pegged with the moniker, “maverick”, however. From his days as a rule breaker in the military, to his years of avoiding any education in economics while voting on trillions of dollars of tax payer’s money in Congress, to his siding with Pres. Bush 9 times out of 10 on failed policy and administration, the word “maverick” fits Sen. John McCain quite well. A maverick is not to be relied upon, trusted, or counted on in a pinch.

The pinch was on in this election campaign, and his VP choice cannot possibly avoid frustrating large factions of the Republican Party constituents who would have preferred a Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, or Mitt Romney with stature and proven experience. It was a poor judgment call indeed if Republican turnout this November is lower than hoped for and expected.

Posted by: David R. Remer at August 29, 2008 4:01 PM
Comment #260111

Chops, bottom line is, in a head to head race between Biden and Palin to step into the Oval Office, the majority would choose Biden in a heartbeat, which is all that will stand between the VP and the Oval office.

Posted by: David R. Remer at August 29, 2008 4:04 PM
Comment #260114

David,

47% think that Biden is a good VP choice (whic I admit is UP from his initial 39%). Let’s see how the polling goes for Palin by monday morning and see where those head-to-heads are really, not just in your imagination.

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 4:11 PM
Comment #260115

David -

If that’s true, then a majority will support McCain over Obama, who has about as much experience as Palin in foreign affairs (both have traveled overseas to visit troops, etc).

Democrats can’t have it both ways: change crucial at the top of the ticket, experience crucial at the bottom.

Biden was a great choice for Obama: he buttressed Obama’s signal weakness in experience and foreign affairs. Palin was a great choice of McCain: she buttressed McCain’s weakness in bread-and-butter issues and helped close the “personality gap” between the campaigns.

Posted by: Chops at August 29, 2008 4:12 PM
Comment #260118

On an unrelated note, let me call SEXISM. All the articles are noting Palin’s “beauty queen” status. She won second-place to Miss Alaska in 1984. Her public service career began in 1992. There isn’t much of a connection, and it isn’t even what she was best known for in her hometown (basketball, actually).

That would be akin to mentioning Sen. Obama’s basketball chops in the lead paragraph of an introductory bio-piece. Maybe the reporter’s biases lead him to believe that a black man can only make it by playing basketball or that a white woman can only make it by being good-looking, but those biases shouldn’t be fronting articles.

Diminishing Palin as a small-town mayor is fair game; diminishing her as a pretty face is specious and sexist.

(And on a completely unrelated note, can we PLEEEEASE get a full court 1-on-1 between Obama and Palin?? Pretty please? Purely for entertainment purposes.)

Posted by: Chops at August 29, 2008 4:21 PM
Comment #260121

Are you buying it? Governor Palin’s experience is characterized as “zero”. When it is compared to Obama’s they count all his state representative experience and leave out Governor Palin’s Mayorial experience. They compare Governor Palin to Senator Biden who was soundly rejected in the Primary process. The TRUTH is if you estimate Governor Palin’s expereince as zero then the absentee Senator from Illinois’s experience is also zero. Foolishness. Let’s get to the issues and stop with the lies no one believes.

Posted by: Tom Besly at August 29, 2008 4:23 PM
Comment #260122
can we PLEEEEASE get a full court 1-on-1 between Obama and Palin?? Pretty please? Purely for entertainment purposes.

I like how you think :)

Posted by: LawnBoy at August 29, 2008 4:26 PM
Comment #260123

Chops, but that was the brilliance of Obama’s choice of Biden and his intent to bring the best Republican and Democratic and Independent minds to his cabinet.

You won’t hear such commitments from the McCain campaign. Mavericks are in it for themselves and sharing fame and power is not intrinsic to being a Maverick. A Maverick seeks attention, and is not predisposed to share it.

This is a fundamental difference between McCain and Obama, and Obama’s administration will have no want for experience and intelligence, and knowledge in formulating the decisions that will affect us all.

Posted by: David R. Remer at August 29, 2008 4:28 PM
Comment #260124

She worked as a reporter and as a commercial fisherman. That’s not “work” and writing for the Harvard Law Review is?

I should have said she had no previous job-related work experience.

So she’s like the TOP of your ticket??? You Dems can’t argue experiance anymore without having it backfire on Obama.

I think Obama’s proven himself, and I am not going to argue about the differences in their qualifications with anyone who doesn’t see them as being obvious.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt - let’s let Palin prove herself. Let’s see if Republicans are happy with an obviously under-experienced ploy instead of a real pick that would have added desperately needed economic and foriegn policy experience to the Republican ticket.

Let me ask you, in all seriousness, do YOU feel she was the BEST choice for the Republican ticket? Pray tell, what does she bring to it? Not forien policy experience. Not economic experience. Not bi-partisanship.

Posted by: Max at August 29, 2008 4:30 PM
Comment #260128

Executive experience, what does that even mean in her case? Alaska is the 4th least populated state. They have no state income tax, or state sales tax, and receive most of their money from oil companies. She’s only been governor for a year and a half, how does that compare to a Senator who has worked on national legislation and dealt heavily on foreign policy? McCain has basically removed his ability to play the experience card with this move, all for a cheap stunt to nominate a woman in the hopes he could pull some Hillary supporters. That reeks of desperation.

Now a scandal about Palin is spreading around the interent. Apparently she tried to use her power as Governor to fire a state trooper. It turns out that trooper was her brother-in-law who was going through a messy divorce with her younger sister. When the commissioner refused to fire him after she ordered him to, she fired the commissioner.

Posted by: pops mcgee at August 29, 2008 4:39 PM
Comment #260129

Max,
I would ask you if Joe Biden was the best choice for VP? Hillary supporters would give you a resounding NO. If experience is the deciding factor or foreign policy…Obama will lose. If throwing out the rascal Republicans is the deciding factor, Obama will win. What we are hearing today is smoke….imo.

Posted by: Tom Besly at August 29, 2008 4:39 PM
Comment #260130
Chops, but that was the brilliance of Obama’s choice of Biden and his intent to bring the best Republican and Democratic and Independent minds to his cabinet.

I bet you couldn’t even write this with a straight face, could you David?

So, what Republicans are going to be in his Cabinet? I can guarentee that Lieberman is going to be in McCain’s somewhere…

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 4:40 PM
Comment #260131

I think you are all way too early. This lady is a doer. I think you on the left need to just hold on a minute and let her story get out there.

I have a hard time coming up with anything besides great speaches that Obama has actually done.

Wow in the short time today I have heard many tough things that Palin has done. All they way from forcing people from her own party to resign, to taking out an incumbant govenor, to having a child with down syndrom, etc etc etc.

Palin’s strength to me is that she is a doer. Obama is a thinker and a dreamer. I think it will be interesting to compare Obama’s accomplishments next to Palin’s. The differences are striking. They are about the same age. One talks one does. One makes tough choices, one just gives good speeches. (Actually some of the best speeches I have ever heard).

Posted by: Craig Holmes at August 29, 2008 4:41 PM
Comment #260133

Craig,
Don’t forget she visited wounded soldiers in Germany something that Obama has not found the time to do.

Posted by: Tom Besly at August 29, 2008 4:46 PM
Comment #260136

How has Obama proven himself to be President? And please don’t say his books, running a good campaign, being loved by Germans or what he “promises.”

Personally, I feel she was a GREAT choice for the Republicans, but then again, I thought the Gov from Montana would have been the best choice for Obama.

With this final pick, we now have two Republicans who have stood up to their own party and are a little more towards the center and two hardcore liberals pretending to be moderates.
Its going to be a fun show.

Posted by: kctim at August 29, 2008 4:49 PM
Comment #260137

Is John McCain and Sarah Palin romantically involved?
Is that true???

http://art-of-politics.blogspot.com

Posted by: John at August 29, 2008 4:50 PM
Comment #260138

Let me first say, I have known and gone to church with Sarah, I knew her as mayor of my town, and I have known, talked with and even danced with her at her inaugural party here in the Matsu Valley.

I have watched the swoon and vitrial with regards to Obama and McCain respectively for months and months now, and all of the Palin critics are so hypocritical it is disgusting.

Palin is everything the Democrats hoped they had in Obama and a lot more. Imagine the laud and drunkenness you liberals would all have if Obama had attacked and beaten back the corruption WITHIN the Democratic Party. You would post and re-post and never shut up about it.

The only downside to Sarah Palin is her complete lack of foreign policy experience, but if that was the only factor, I’d rather have my VP with no experience that my P.

I love when liberals show their true bigoted colors. She’s just a trophy VP, she’s just a pretty face, blah blah blah. You are all such empty skirts with that garbage. Sarah is as articulate as Obama, is as conservative as I could hope for, fiscally and socially, and also happens to not have years of back door deals and corruption under her belt. You wouold not believe the buzz that this is going to create in this election. No one is even talking about Obama’s speech last night, in which I think he has started to face the idea that there’s a chance he may lose.

Sarah connects with mothers out there because she is one, and a great one I know, Sarah connects with families in the military for the obvious reason - her son going to Iraq - and Sarah connects with men because she’s sharp as a tack and oh yeah, gorgeous.

Your Obamessiah is in a lot more trouble that he realizes.

Sarah is an AWESOME debater, and is excruciatingly polite - even when under fire.

She may not identify with the liberals that write on watchblog, but America’s most popular governor will identify with a lot more people than Biden - and you can take that to the bank.

Let’s hope she can shed enough light on the liberal lies about ANWR to get some drilling going up here…

Posted by: Yukon Jake at August 29, 2008 4:51 PM
Comment #260139

Giving you the benefit of the doubt - let’s let Palin prove herself. Let’s see if Republicans are happy with an obviously under-experienced ploy instead of a real pick that would have added desperately needed economic and foriegn policy experience to the Republican ticket.

She has proven herself. She’s gone up against corruption and won. She’s a successful change candidate (who’s already proven she’s willing to change the system), while Obama’s just another Democratic party hack.

Let me ask you, in all seriousness, do YOU feel she was the BEST choice for the Republican ticket? Pray tell, what does she bring to it? Not forien policy experience. Not economic experience. Not bi-partisanship.

Yes. Not the best, but neither are McCain or Obama. She’s certainly the best choice of those McCain vetted. She will bring women over to McCain’s side. Not a lot, but enough. She’s a proven leader at both city and state level with a very high approval rating.
Unlike Obama and his vague promises, Palin has actually fought against corruption and government wastefulness.

Biden will have a hard time debating her. Like I said earlier, Obama will try to eliminate the VP debate this year. We already know he doesn’t want to debate McCain, but there’s not much he can do about that.

Posted by: Republicwin at August 29, 2008 4:52 PM
Comment #260141

pops,

You should really do more investigation there, that story has been around longer than ‘this morning’.

In fact, the commissioner is not saying that is why she fired him. This came about from the trooper’s union rep… The commissioner makes allegations that he can’t back up with facts saying that Palin’s husband and other officials pressured him to fire the brother-in-law, which they flatly deny. Palin’s husband Todd says he talked to the commissioner, once, about the trooper to warn him that the trooper had made threats on them during the divorce.

In fact, the trooper is still employed, if he was fired because he woudn’t fire the trooper, wouldn’t that be one of the requirements of the new commissioner? He was even offered another job…

http://www.ktva.com/ci_9929780?source=most_viewed

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 4:55 PM
Comment #260147

Is John McCain and Sarah Palin romantically involved?
Is that true???
http://art-of-politics.blogspot.com

Is this really the best the Democrats have?
It’s obvious they are now are in full damage control mode, and yet this is the best they’ve got!
McCain has won already and he hasn’t even had his convention yet!
This election is over!

Posted by: Republicwin at August 29, 2008 5:00 PM
Comment #260150

That what they said about Clinton before Monica came up

Posted by: John at August 29, 2008 5:03 PM
Comment #260151

“Let’s get to the issues and stop with the lies no one believes.”

O.k., so she is Pro-life, and pro-death penalty… hummm pro death and life. Contradiction alert!!! Just like the typical RIGHTeous, stance of being morally sound, but at the same time morally bankrupt.

Pro-life is a universal generalization, applied to every case, no matter WHO!


Another issue… she said it was a great idea to drill in ANWR because it was all ugly anyway. I see she has a green thumb.

Posted by: mangryob at August 29, 2008 5:05 PM
Comment #260154

Rhinehold,

So should you. Your article is older than mine, and here is a more recent article. Apparently the Governor is now backtracking on her original statement after a recorded phone call has surfaced. The Alaska state legislature is currently investigating this troopergate scandal.

Posted by: pops mcgee at August 29, 2008 5:08 PM
Comment #260156

Is this really the best the Democrats have?

Personally, I like this campaign photo ;-)

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll293/bajwae/McCainPalin.jpg

Posted by: Max at August 29, 2008 5:10 PM
Comment #260159

mob
It is kind of a contradiction, but at least the pro-life people are for saving the life of the innocent and not the life of the murderer.

Pro-life is a universal generalization? Um, ok. Can we make pro-choice a universal generalization and apply it to every case, no matter WHO? Like give me a choice of what I eat, pay for, how I save, what my health plan is, etc…?
I bet Palin would be for that.

Whats the public concensus on drilling? Is she close to that or is she out of touch with the public?

Posted by: kctim at August 29, 2008 5:15 PM
Comment #260160

But Max, she got the ultimate thumbs up from Lyndsay Graham……..”anyone who hunts moose at 3 A.M. gets my vote”. Well, there ya go…..it’s in..and a done deal!!! And by her own admission and statement, she has been “too busy” to pay much attention to Iraq. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
This is actually pathetic if you look at some of the arguments being made for this choice. It’s an act of pure desperation and shows just how out of tune McCain truly is.
I want debates ! From all four candidates and I want McCain frisked and x-ray’d before he goes to the podium. No battery packs showing through the shirts…questions sealed until air time, and strict time limits.

Posted by: janedoe at August 29, 2008 5:16 PM
Comment #260161

So I guess no body knows about this yet

Is John McCain and Sarah Palin romantically involved?

Posted by: John at August 29, 2008 5:17 PM
Comment #260163

Yes, we know about this.

They are not.

Perhaps the lone blog you keep pointing too will like to provide a single tiny bit of evidence, link, etc, it could be looked in to.

Otherwise, it’s pretty repugnant.

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 5:19 PM
Comment #260164

John,
In the same vane, are Barack Obama and Joe Biden romantically involved?

Posted by: Tom Besly at August 29, 2008 5:20 PM
Comment #260165

Inquiring minds want to know!

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2008 5:22 PM
Comment #260166

Janedoe,

And by her own admission and statement, she has been “too busy” to pay much attention to Iraq. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

So what’s the problem? Is it wrong that Palin is busy running her city/state and doesn’t sit around all day blogging about the war like we do? I, for one, don’t want governors to have to deal with national issues any more than they have to.

Posted by: TheTraveler at August 29, 2008 5:23 PM
Comment #260168

Max -

You’re contradicting yourself. You said,

I think Obama’s proven himself, and I am not going to argue about the differences in their qualifications with anyone who doesn’t see them as being obvious.

Leaving aside the fact that I’ve never seen anyone beg the question so blatantly, why are you continuing to comment when your collucutors so obviously don’t see your opinions as being “obvious”, which you claim is your demand for participating in a debate. ROFLMAO.

Mangyrob -
The Democratic candidate believe that unborn children with Downs Syndrome or other “defects” should be “terminated” before they are born, but they oppose the death penalty for convicted killers. So they’re pro-death (for inconvenient babies) but pro-life (for criminals) at the same time! I happen to be ambivalent about the death penalty, but it’s disgusting to me that people can discriminate against the handicapped or the disadvantaged to the point that they support killing them!

Posted by: Chops at August 29, 2008 5:30 PM
Comment #260170

Actually this is going to be fun. I think she will be compared to Obama and the comparison will be refreshing.

I bet she doesn’t use the word manure very often. (I think she probably uses the real word).

Instead of all talk and no do, she looks like a nononsense roll up her sleaves and get the job done kind of woman.

She is sueing the federal government for crying out loud!!

Posted by: Craig Holmes at August 29, 2008 5:33 PM
Comment #260172

janedoe:

Watch this govenor, she looks like the real thing. She worked on Republican corruption first. She has actually done some things. She actually has a record.

Moose hunting at 3:00am is doing something. She will do something about Iraq, not just talk about it.

I think she is going to kick some @ss on both sides of the isle. At least that is what her record indicates.

Obama doesn’t really have a record.

Posted by: Craig Holmes at August 29, 2008 5:40 PM
Comment #260173
Janedoe,

And by her own admission and statement, she has been “too busy” to pay much attention to Iraq. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

So what’s the problem? Is it wrong that Palin is busy running her city/state and doesn’t sit around all day blogging about the war like we do? I, for one, don’t want governors to have to deal with national issues any more than they have to.

Posted by: TheTraveler at August 29, 2008 05:23 PM

No, The Traveler, I actually thinks it’s pretty cool that theoretically, the woman who could become POTUS, doesn’t know s**t about something that we’ve been involved in illegally and unlawfully for several years. And I sure hope she hasn’t said anything like that to the son of hers that is serving there……….. :(

Posted by: janedoe at August 29, 2008 5:40 PM
Comment #260175

I actually thinks it’s pretty cool that theoretically, the woman who could become POTUS, doesn’t know s**t about something that we’ve been involved in illegally and unlawfully for several years. And I sure hope she hasn’t said anything like that to the son of hers that is serving there……….. :(

So not dealing with a national issue much as a governor is now the same as not knowing shit?
C’mon, you know better than to say that!
Like I said, you guys are so obviously into damage control that you’ll accuse her of anything! And you’re just hurting yourselves!

Posted by: Republicwin at August 29, 2008 5:48 PM
Comment #260176

So far we have quotes on her saying she doesn’t know anything about being the VP or about Iraq… WTF?

Posted by: Max at August 29, 2008 5:50 PM
Comment #260178
Don’t forget she visited wounded soldiers in Germany something that Obama has not found the time to do.

Stop this smear, please.

The Obama campaign originally planned a private trip (no media) to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany to visit wounded troops, but canceled it to prevent the perception of politicizing our troops.

Senator Obama was honored to meet with our men and women in uniform in Iraq and Afghanistan during his foreign trip and has visited a combat support hospital in Baghdad as well as wounded soldiers at Walter Reed without fanfare. Barack Obama also called wounded troops at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center while overseas.

Posted by: LawnBoy at August 29, 2008 5:52 PM
Comment #260179

Oh my, I’ve been hoping for this since I first saw her name and researched her a little. Perfect choice!

She’s from outside Washington and is actually more qualified for the position than the guy the Dems have on top of their ticket. She went to college in Idaho, married a “blue collar” guy, has 5 kids and has run Alaska impeccably.

It will be nice to be able to vote for McCain instead of voting against the next American Idol.

Posted by: andy at August 29, 2008 5:52 PM
Comment #260180

“I sure hope she hasn’t said anything like that to the son of hers that is serving there”

Yeah, that would probably be bad Janedoe. Being military, he would probably ask for proof that what he was doing was illegal and unlawful. And since the Dems haven’t been able to provide that proof yet, I’m sure her not knowing much about it wouldn’t deter him too much.

Posted by: kctim at August 29, 2008 5:52 PM
Comment #260182

Oh yeah, and her oldest son will be serving our country. Another beautiful/honorable aspect of this choice.

Posted by: andy at August 29, 2008 6:04 PM
Comment #260183

“The Democratic candidate believe that unborn children with Downs Syndrome or other “defects” should be “terminated” before they are born”

I don’t think so, you are dead wrong. They believe that a mother has the right to choose, not that EVERY Trisomy 21 child should be put down. Your argument is hype and you are a fear monger.

Pro-choice does not equal pro-death. Isn’t staying out of the lives of it’s citizens what you conservatives want? yet you want to ban the right to choose, right to marriage for some people, and are ok with the death penalty.

Those are clearly examples of heavy involvement from your ‘small gov.’ It is BS that you stand on ‘morals’ and ‘small gov’ as your platform, but allow the gov. to make warrantless searches, silence reporters, and claim executive privilege when you have broken the law (e.g. Cheney’s contempt of Court)

Posted by: mangryob at August 29, 2008 6:04 PM
Comment #260185

If she’s elected, will they leave Track Palin in Iraq or bring him out? Or rotate his unit to a safer deployment? It would be a lower-scale version of the problem that the UK faces with Prince Harry.

Ultimately, I don’t think whatever the military decides is going to reflect on her or McCain, which decision ought to be based on the safety of Palin’s comrades, not on his mother’s office.

Of course, if he is captured, we’ve got a good precedent of how to treat the POW son of a highly-placed official.

Posted by: Chops at August 29, 2008 6:10 PM
Comment #260186

“And since the Dems haven’t been able to provide that proof yet,”

ummm, we proved that Bush lied and covered it up. What happened to those pesky WMDs? Oh yea, it was just a LIE!

As far as a ‘preemptive’ coup on a sovereign nation without a shred of evidence to support invasion, last I checked, that is illegal if we are still abiding by our treaties (Knowing Bush, he probably used the Geneva Convention to snort his coke and then lost it).

Posted by: mangryob at August 29, 2008 6:10 PM
Comment #260210

McCain shot himself in the foot with this one. I give Palin about a week to become a liability on a level that exceeds even Dan Quayle.

What I’ll particularly relish is when he and Palin (who has a 4-month old baby) hit the trail, touting those good old conservative “family values,” like stay-at-home moms. The irony will be too rich.

Posted by: pianofan at August 29, 2008 7:21 PM
Comment #260214

Republicwin, Palin said it herself.

Catch up! I know it is an inconvenient truth, but she said she had no interest in keeping up with the Iraq war debate or information.

Posted by: David R. Remer at August 29, 2008 7:30 PM
Comment #260216

Rhinehold asked” “So, what Republicans are going to be in his Cabinet?”

Phil Gramm is a perfect example. The man who said those whining about the economy are suffering a mental recession. The really wealthy’s position on the economy with candor. Palin believes knows drilling for oil is the answer to the energy problem because 80% of Alaska’s state budget is paid for by oil. Talk about your special interests in control of the McCain WhiteHouse.

I am sure you will eventually wake up to the realities. As a libertarian you have to, or change parties.

Posted by: David R. Remer at August 29, 2008 7:36 PM
Comment #260217
What I’ll particularly relish is when he and Palin (who has a 4-month old baby) hit the trail, touting those good old conservative “family values,” like stay-at-home moms. The irony will be too rich.

The irony that’s rich here is the blatant sexism and bigotry of those remarks. The bigotry is both against Christians AND women. Would you say that Obama, as a professed Christian, should stay at home with the kids? No? Why not?

This is sexism, pure and simple.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at August 29, 2008 7:37 PM
Comment #260220

It is conservatives themselves that make the stay-at-home mother stuff an issue with all their cant of “family values.” You’ve missed my point Loyal Opp.

Posted by: pianofan at August 29, 2008 7:41 PM
Comment #260224

First ABC poll on the Palin issue effect on Hillary supporters is out.

Doesn’t look good for McCain if his pick was intended to pickup Hillary supporters.

Posted by: David R. Remer at August 29, 2008 7:59 PM
Comment #260228

pianofan, you nailed it. Loyal Opp is going to try to impugn anyone who mentions the contradiction of Republicans own agenda and values system. What choice does he have? Same as McCain. Character assassination is the only road they have left open.

Loyal Opp, saying what the values are amongst Evangelical Christians and hard right Republicans is not an indictment. It is just a simple statement of what they have been saying about themselves for decades. If anyone is slapping them in the face, it is you for denying their beliefs are valid.

I personally think stay at home moms, or dads, is a perfectly intelligent, rational, and obvious choice for any American who can afford the option. Your defensiveness on the issue belies serious concerns that this Palin choice might just be the nightmare a Maverick might pull out of his hat.

That’s the thing about Mavericks, they reserve the right to deviate from the predictable, the rational, the sound, and the trusted. No wonder so many Republicans have reservations about McCain.

Posted by: David R. Remer at August 29, 2008 8:05 PM
Comment #260232

Since when does ‘family values’ equate a Christian referance? Or are you admitting that the christians have a monoply on morals and patriotism in our country and everyone else is wrong?

And by the way, there is not one iota of irony in that statement being sexist. Uprooting your family at the drop of a hat for one of the most stressful events that exists to promote family values is.

Posted by: iwillwin at August 29, 2008 8:14 PM
Comment #260233

Max,

You’re an idiot, but it’s clear that you’re a very clever idiot, perhaps a professional idiot trying out arguments you’re not ready to play in “prime time”. Governor Palin is a governor of an American state. When states governors get together she gets to sit at the table and not make excuses for where she came from and the fact that she was educated in Iowa and not in Cambridge, Mass. She has courage. Real courage, not the kind of courage you get from having a shady political machine throwing shadows everywhere you have ever been. When she had to make the choice of going with her values after having been appointed to a truly important committee by the governor, and then finding her state Republican Party chairman with his hand in the cookie jar, or just getting along with the party criminals she flew in the face of what you would probably have done and resigned her powerful post, fought her powerful governor- and won.

She ran a virtually unfunded campaign for governor and defeated a SITTING REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR in a PRIMARY. Then she went on to defeat a popular former Democratic governor. Those are, as Chops says, “ballsy things”.

I, for one, am bloody tired of having northeastern elitist ivyphiles try to make Americans who have not cut their teeth at Harvard Princeton, or Yale out to be an inferior breed of human being. We are all, as Mark Twain points out all “sovereigns, not beholden to any crown”. There are not a lot of Harvard grads in the world and we in the United States could get by with a lot fewer than there are, thank you very much.

This choice would be an outstanding one even if Sarah were Samuel Palin instead. Look at the two resumes side-by-side and the governor’s look remarkably like that of another inexperienced governor from a century ago- Theodore Roosevelt. Here is a candidate who can use the “bully pulpit” and not sound like a badly greased wagon wheel in the process. The fact that she is a woman is only icing on the cake.

Now, Max, go back to the campaign that sent you and tell them that tack didn’t work.

Posted by: Lee Jamison at August 29, 2008 8:14 PM
Comment #260237

I predict the Palin choice, especially in view of her ideas about global warming, her support of teaching creationism in public schools, and her opposition to abortion, even in cases of rape or incest, will ensure that democrats have a heavy turn-out at the polls this November.

Let’s train a big, fat spotlight on Palin’s opinions and beliefs and see what ensues.

Posted by: pianofan at August 29, 2008 8:32 PM
Comment #260238

McCain shot himself in the foot with this one. I give Palin about a week to become a liability on a level that exceeds even Dan Quayle.

You guys are quickly becoming a joke. Sarah Palin has been involved in government since the early 90s and has a record of accomplishment that makes Obama look positively pathetic.

In one swift stroke, McCain solidified his base, puled in many independents totally overshadowed Obama’s acceptance speech. This was a planed event that played the news cycle for all it was worth.

Meanwhile, Obama is retracting statements made by his bumbling campaign staff attacking her experiance. Your guy doesn’t even want to think about her experiance, let alone talk about it!

Posted by: Republicwin at August 29, 2008 8:32 PM
Comment #260241

For those who think this was a poor choice (and, having read the whole string to this point, you’re all or nearly all Obama supporters) there are now, on an article only six hours old more than 84 comments. One reason for making this pick was to get attention off of the Democratic convention and the Obama Campaign’s “victory lap”.

It worked.

Posted by: Lee Jamison at August 29, 2008 8:39 PM
Comment #260242

Republicwin, Are you talking about Palin’s PTA “record of accomplishment”?

I stand by my prediction. In about one week, you’re going to see McCain’s campaign make subtle moves to lower Palin’s profile.

Posted by: pianofan at August 29, 2008 8:45 PM
Comment #260245

Republicwin,

Amen to this- “Meanwhile, Obama is retracting statements made by his bumbling campaign staff attacking her experiance. Your guy doesn’t even want to think about her experiance, let alone talk about it!

McCain made Obama’s spin machine his own best campaigners for the better part of the day. The stupidity that fell from their efforts today will be on the air for weeks eating ulcers in Obama’s staff and chewing away at the unsettled acquiescense he had among Hillary supporters.

Posted by: ee Jamison at August 29, 2008 8:46 PM
Comment #260247

“The ex husband was a criminal and tasered her son…” - Right, he was a dick - but she acted ILLEGALLY by using her position to try and have him fired from a state job… she should have acted within the law as much as possible to intervene on her sisters behalf, sure, but there are LEGAL ways to achieve that. We dont need anther VP who has no respect for the law and who uses their office to exact punishment for personal vendettas.

She was a JOURNALISM major ?!? Hahahaha… compared to, say, top-of-the-class at Harvard Law ? Yeah.. she’s wayyyy more experienced… all you Republicans who say Olberman should go back to Sportscasting… feel free to weigh in…

“She has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined” - ummm… using the standard one must use to arrive at that twisted conclusion, she also has more executive experience than… John McCain.

Come on - this was a pander to the fundie right, to the NRA crowd, to the creationists… and a blatant and disgusting attempt to woo the “disaffected female voter”, AKA PUMA’s… yeah… she’s gonna steal some Hillary supporters… hah ! Hillary, as much as I am not a fan, was a successful lawyer at a time when few women were, had front-row seats in the White House for 8 years, has extensive experience traveling around the world and a successful Senate career… she is one of the most well known women in the world…. Palin is an ex-beauty queen, mayor of a town with less than 10,000 people, and barely governor of a state with a population smaller than Fort Worth Texas… she doesnt even compare. Expecting that women will fall for this assumes they will just go, “Look, she has a vagina too !!” Good grief… she was chosen not for her record or her skills, she was chosen BECAUSE she was a woman - thats not feminism, thats sexism !

Posted by: greaser at August 29, 2008 8:56 PM
Comment #260248

ee Jamison,

So true. McCain played this out like a chess game. He literally worked the media cycle and timed everything to coincide with Obama’s speech. And to think that last week, Obama could keep his pick secret for even a couple hours!

Posted by: Republicwin at August 29, 2008 9:01 PM
Comment #260258

Lee,

It’s idiotic and elitist to point out that Obama’s studying at Harvard Law, being editor of the Law Review, and teaching at one of the most prestigious law schools in this nation is more applicable to working in government than having been a commercial fisherman? I think you’ve lost your mind.

I’m sorry, she’s very, very green. Being Governor for only 2 years is one thing, but being governor of Alaska requires less actual governing than in most states.

Clearly, McCain felt he was losing big time to make a desperate move like this. In the end, I think the choice will be seen by most for what it is - an insult.

Posted by: Max at August 29, 2008 9:32 PM
Comment #260260

Romney would have been a better choice for JMcC, but apparently they can’t stand eachother. Palin seems like a very nice lady, and this is something of a breakthrough for the Rpblcns. I especially agree that she is a good choice opposite Biden for any debate, since he would risk looking like a heel if he attacked her or was even too sarcastic.

BHO didn’t attended Harvard for college. He attended Occidental for 2 years, and Columbia for 2 years. Several years later, he went to Harvard Law School. The ivy league references are not really that applicable.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 29, 2008 9:40 PM
Comment #260261

Columbia is part of the ivy league.

Posted by: pops mcgee at August 29, 2008 9:43 PM
Comment #260262

and Occidental isn’t.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 29, 2008 9:45 PM
Comment #260263

True, and it’s extemely hard to transfer into an ivy league school. So that shows you how talented Obama is.

Posted by: pops mcgee at August 29, 2008 9:52 PM
Comment #260268

I read Obama’s book, Audacity of Hope. It is a super read.

Posted by: Tom Besly at August 29, 2008 10:17 PM
Comment #260272

Picking this woman is a distraction, worthy of sitcom, not real world politics, and insults not just the qualified women in the Republican party for example, Kay Bailey Huchinson, Condi Rice, and Meg Whitman but women everywhere.

The population of Alaska can literally fit into Central Park (670,000). There have been larger concerts there. Here are the issues Palin has been addressing: endorsing aerial hunting of wolves and bears to protect the moose population for hunters, influencing a recent ballot initiative against clean water protection, i.e., fisheries, in favor of mining companies’ rights to pollute, suing the U.S. Government to eliminate protection for polar bears under the Endangered Species act…to protect oil companies. These are hardly national interests and there’s not even a hint in her bio that she has ever been interested in anything outside of Alaska. This is who McCain chooses. A man who gets Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan confused in debates chooses a woman who could not find them on a map on a bet as his back-up.

Many hard-core Republicans may agree with her, but even to many Republicans her beliefs are extreme: She does not believe in global warming, and thinks that creationism should be taught in schools.

She has serious ethical problems involving her ex brother in law, and the Commissioner of Public Safety, because she used her influence to get them both fired for personal reasons. Apparently there are tapes, on which her nasty side is recored. All of the details are on the Anchorage Daily News site.

She’s not a real candidate. With her on the ticket, being a heartbeat away from the presidency, suddenly Obama is the safe vote. Obama went through an incredibly rigorous VP selection process. McCain only met with Palin once. In recent interviews, Palin herself expressed little belief in her chances of being selected and seemed entirely disinterested.

I’m in awe of this carnival style pick. It’s almost like McCain went from trying to game the system to openly mocking it.

Posted by: Max at August 29, 2008 10:41 PM
Comment #260278

I’m in awe of the carnival style pick of Obama.

He has been a community organizer, went to college, voted a few times in a state rep. position and well also he wrote a book.

He also has ethical problems involving shady land deals, and before the spotlight of this run, surrounded himself with people who aren’t very proud of America.

I think it’s a good debate as to which would be more qualified to run this country. Palin or Obama? I personally like the idea of Palin having little ties to Washington, not so much bought and paid for. Also, her role as a Governor is more immpressive than any government position held by Obama. I guess it’s apples and oranges though as Obama is on the top of your ticket though.

Posted by: andy at August 29, 2008 11:00 PM
Comment #260279

There are 95 comments above me. Most of them are attacks on someone that none of us know very much about. Sometimes I think the comments made on watchblog are the result of teenagers who got their hands on a computer and just want to be as mean as possible. All I can say is, keep writing and don’t ever run for a political position. God help our country if you do.

Posted by: Oldguy at August 29, 2008 11:05 PM
Comment #260283

Max -
We know for a fact that she didn’t use her influence to get her brother in law fired… because he still has his job.

She did report his threats to the police; and that led to a one-week suspension.

I’m impressed with the list of accomplishments by Palin in Juneau. Sure, most of them are Alaskan concerns - and that’s what she was elected to do. Would you care to list some of the legislative accomplishments Obama has under his belt, either for the national interest or for his own constituents?

As far as foreign policy, she got about as international as a governor can get: instead of offering a sweet-heart deal to the Alaska-based oil companies for building a new pipeline, she opened the process for competitive bidding. This saved her state several billion dollars. The winner, it looks like, is a Canadian company. Does it qualify her to square off with Vladimir Putin tomorrow? No. But it’s more than Obama’s ever done in a public service capacity.

Posted by: Chops at August 29, 2008 11:16 PM
Comment #260285

If you’re a Democrat, you should be very happy about McCain’s pick. She’s going to undergo vetting by the press over the next several weeks, vetting that should have occurred prior to her selection but did not. Palin’s going to be asked endless “what are you going to do about … ?” When she’s asked about the conflict in Georga is she going to have a nuanced answer that reveals that she has truly considered what has happened there and what our interest is in it vis-a-vis Russia? Does she really understand what global warming is, or does her concern about the use of carbon not run further than securing the guaranteed income to her and fellow Alaskans that would come from opening ANWAR?
There’s no time. She has to go from 0 to full speed with little tolerance for mistakes. From what I saw today that’s just not going to happen.
Chop’s, I’m shocked that you put that video on republican watchblog. Did you take it directly off Move.on.org? It shows McCain to be inept and insensitive.
McCain starts off all questions by complementing the questioner on the “excellence” of their question? That is a most ridiculous justification of his conduct. How do you think Obama would have responded to such a question about Hillary Clinton in the primary? Do you really think that were a question to come to Obama, “how do we beat the asshole”, (referring to McCain) that Obama would smile and talk about the “excellence” of the question?
McCain obviously wants to tap into the support Hillary received over the last year. We know this not only from his choice today but from what Sarah Palin said in her speech. The video above will be seen often and I would not be surprised to see it in a campaign ad by the Dems. McCain’s view of, and conduct around, women is fair game.

Posted by: charles ross at August 29, 2008 11:21 PM
Comment #260286

I read a statistic today that 90% of women who find out their child is down syndrome abort their babies. What does it say about this family that they welcomed him with open arms?

Wow is there a contrast between this woman and Obama. “The least of these”.

Posted by: Craig Holmes at August 29, 2008 11:21 PM
Comment #260288

Craig -
Agreed. And Democrats like Max who insult her for taking on an ambitious job like this while she has an infant will only help her, especially with all the other women in America who know how to have a family and a “real job” at the same time.

Speaking of “real jobs”, can someone in the blue column of this blog please write an education piece on community organizers? Seriously: what do they do? I live in an urban, black community, and we have a neighborhood association, but it isn’t anyone’s full time job.

Posted by: Chops at August 29, 2008 11:30 PM
Comment #260292

“And Democrats like Max who insult her for taking on an ambitious job like this while she has an infant will only help her, especially with all the other women in America who know how to have a family and a “real job” at the same time.”

Hey, Chops, women who have a real job and a family at the same time are going to wonder WHO exactly is watching the Palin baby and the other Palin kids, because it sure isn’t Sarah, unless being governor of Alaska isn’t a very taxing job. She may have HAD the babies, but if she’s in a presidential campaign, she isn’t going to be slinging hash at home or changing diapers.

Posted by: pianofan at August 29, 2008 11:57 PM
Comment #260293

I’m just saying she’s not ready - at all.

She’s led a state of 600,000 people for two years, and before that was a mayor of a town smaller than many colleges.

By picking her McCain has shown very strange judgement. He only met her once! This is the most important decision he has made in his campaign, and he picked to pander to the Christian right and women’s demographic rather than choose someone with economic or foriegn policy experience.

Posted by: Max at August 29, 2008 11:59 PM
Comment #260295

“I read a statistic today that 90% of women who find out their child is down syndrome abort their babies. What does it say about this family that they welcomed him with open arms?”

Craig, it says that this family had a choice. I have a close friend who made this choice too. I have another who made a different choice in exactly the same situation.

It’s nice to be able to choose without the government dictating your decision, isn’t it?

Posted by: pianofan at August 30, 2008 12:03 AM
Comment #260296

charles ross, she was asked about foreign dependence on oil earlier this week, and her reply was drill in ANWR. Drill, drill, drill! Oil and natural gas revenues account for 80% of Alaska’s entire state budget according to Gov. Pallin.

Quite a ticket her and McCain, both dependent on fossil fuel industries for their political careers. More of the McSame.

Posted by: David R. Remer at August 30, 2008 12:05 AM
Comment #260297

Does she smoke cigarettes? That could be a source of concern.

Posted by: Honest at August 30, 2008 12:12 AM
Comment #260299

“By picking her McCain has shown very strange judgement. He only met her once! This is the most important decision he has made in his campaign, and he picked to pander to the Christian right and women’s demographic rather than choose someone with economic or foriegn policy experience.”

Max, I agree with you except I quibble with you about Palin appealing to any “women’s demographic” unless it’s a subset of women in the Christian right. Palin will offend any moderate women and her extreme anti-abortion position will turn off even some conservatives.

Obviously, the McCain campaign has decided to tack hard right, hope, hope, hoping that Bush’s old base will swarm the polls. I don’t think Palin has the stuff to rouse a turnout of the base and McCain obviously doesn’t rouse them either.

Any chance McCain had of attracting independents or fence-sitters got squashed with this choice for vp. Palin looks to me like McCain’s version of Harriet Miers.

He’s shown really poor judgement here and that’s the most disturbing aspect of all of this. Do we need 4 more years of someone making ill-informed choices that seem to be made without intelligence or deliberation?

Posted by: pianofan at August 30, 2008 12:17 AM
Comment #260301

“it’s extemely hard to transfer into an ivy league school”

pops, It was a special program, because he’s special. Do you know any special people?

Posted by: ohrealy at August 30, 2008 12:25 AM
Comment #260302

“pops, It was a special program, because he’s special.”

ohrealy, where do you get your facts? I’d like a link, please.

Posted by: pianofan at August 30, 2008 12:30 AM
Comment #260303

It is clear to me that Palin will drop out of the race as soon as it appears that Mcain is a “maverick” by picking her. He will then simply announce or nominate a new canidate that will appear more qualified and the media will jump on it. Miers for Roberts anyone? If the Americam public is willing to fall for these Rovian antics AGAIN then it doessn’t deserve the democracy it claims to cherish.

Posted by: Tom at August 30, 2008 12:31 AM
Comment #260304

Tom, I don’t think McCain is intellectually nimble enough to pull off the scenario you laid out here. Plus, withdrawing Palin from the ticket makes him look, well, old and confused.

Posted by: pianofan at August 30, 2008 12:34 AM
Comment #260306

Tom - what I think is likely to happen is that Palin makes some terrific gaffes in prime time, McCain’s poll numbers tank, and Palin politely withdraws to “spend more time with her family.” Then McCain taps the REAL Harriet Miers to replace Palin.

Posted by: pianofan at August 30, 2008 12:38 AM
Comment #260307

What I’m dying to see is what the McCain/Palin bumper sticker looks like. Will Palin’s name be readable? Or will the McCain campaign do what Bush the First did when running for reelection with Dan Quayle: their bumper sticker was dark blue; Bush’s name was prominent in white, Quayle’s name was in red and almost disappeared into the dark background. This is an old graphics trick that made me howl when I first saw it.

Posted by: pianofan at August 30, 2008 12:44 AM
Comment #260308

Ohreally,

I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. Your post that I was originally responding to said that he wasn’t really ivy league educated because he went to Harvard law later in life. I was simply pointing out that Columbia is also ivy league. And transfering into an ivy league school is often harder than getting in as a freshman, because those schools tend to not accept many transfers. I don’t know why going to an excellent university, especially an ivy league school, would be a bad thing.

Posted by: pops mcgee at August 30, 2008 12:44 AM
Comment #260309

“pops, It was a special program, because he’s special.”

ohrealy, still waiting for that link. Unless your comment was a little (damn little) joke about Obama’s race. If so, then I fully understand now what your problem is.

Posted by: pianofan at August 30, 2008 12:48 AM
Comment #260311

p and p, oddly enough, all the knowledge in the world doesn’t exist yet on interenet links, although a lot of misinformation does. You still have to read books and newspapers to get information. The newspaper of record here is the Chicago Tribune, although I like the Chicago Reader as well. If you like BHO, I would suggest reading something about him that comes from impartial sources, or doing some basic research. Occidental had a special program when BHO went there, and BHO was in it. If you think I have a problem, or you understand anything, I think you are mistaken.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 30, 2008 1:01 AM
Comment #260312

Pianofan,

Exactly!

Posted by: Tom at August 30, 2008 1:03 AM
Comment #260313

RE: Palin’s choice to bring a baby with Down’s Syndrome into the world and the stated fact that 90% of pregnant women with that diagnosis choose abortion draws my attention. I just don’t believe that a human life is priceless. We assign a value to human life in our personal actions, actions by business and policies promoted by government. We choose to wear seat belts, to eat foods that shorten our lives, what about cigarettes? When dollar amounts were assigned to the families of those who died on 9-11, so much for busboys, so much for stockbrokers, those were limits. Isn’t a busboy’s life worth every bit as much as a stockbrokers?
We, as a society, have limited resources; the world has limited resources. Older people who post here I’m sure remember the Spina Bifida foundation. This is a condition that is extremely rare in the United States now because of abortion. It costs more than a million dollars over the lifetime of a Spina Bifida baby for care and treatment. The resources are just not there.
Every day, 26,000 otherwise healthy infants die from completely preventable conditions that would cost only a few dollars to remedy. The most common disease: Dehydration caused by diareha; a common bacterial infection that could be remedied by treatment costing a couple of dollars.
Human life is not priceless.

Posted by: charles ross at August 30, 2008 1:09 AM
Comment #260315

Interesting story on NPR about how someone cleaned up Palin’s Wikipedia entry:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94118849

“Just 15 minutes after rumor of her selection broke, a Wikipedia editor discovered something interesting. Yesterday, thirty mostly favorable changes were made to Palin’s Wikipedia biography.

“The changes, all from a single source, included the addition of a quotation calling Palin ‘a politician of eye-popping integrity.’ The edits diminished a reference to Palin’s participation in a beauty pageant and minimized a section about a controversy over whether Palin used her influence to get her ex-brother-in-law fired. “

Here we go … Rovian politics, Part Deux.

Posted by: pianofan at August 30, 2008 1:19 AM
Comment #260316

Rovian politics…good lord do you all really believe this stuff?

I think if I were in her shoes I may touch up my wiki profile. And even if this “scandal” turns out to be completely what the left hopes, is it really damning? She would have been trying to help her sister out a little it’s not like she was selfishly looking to pad her wallet via a sweetheart land deal or something scummy like that.

Posted by: andy at August 30, 2008 1:34 AM
Comment #260317

“a politician of eye-popping integrity.”

C’mon, Andy, this kind of stuff is just for dumb, which is what’s most disturbing about it. I’ve had enough of DUMB for the past 8 years.

Also, when you’re governor, if you have any integrity, you go out of your way not to use your office for personal ends, especially if that involves firing someone who doesn’t do what you want.

Posted by: pianofan at August 30, 2008 1:44 AM
Comment #260319

I’ll take a dumb quote in wiki over corruption any day. Anyway, she does seem to have a lot of integrity especially when compared to Washington insiders. She declined a private plane for one.

If what you’d like to be true is in fact true, then yes I agree with you to a point. But right now nobody knows the whole story, I think it’s expected to be resolved in October, and even if true what kind of scandal is it really? If the worst thing she’s done in office is getting caught up in the heat of the moment trying to protect her sister a little I can live with that.

Posted by: andy at August 30, 2008 2:10 AM
Comment #260320

Max, I agree with you except I quibble with you about Palin appealing to any “women’s demographic” unless it’s a subset of women in the Christian right.

Agreed.

Another thing: I keep seeing the statement that Palin has more “executive” experience than than Obama, Biden, or even McCain. Alaska has a population of 600,000 people. New York City has a population 10x that. Alaska’s tax code is very simple because there only a few industries. It’s population is very homogenously Republican. Palin does not deal with the executive trials anywhere near the complexity that a Guiliani, Romney, or Pawlenty does. If her executive-skill credibility relies on being governor of Alaska for two years, then there are plenty of more qualified candidates, including most CEOs.

The reason choosing Palin is so suprising is that she was vetted months ago and found unsuitable for many, many reasons, not limited to the current investigation of her abuse of power. No matter how you slice it, including her appeal to evangelicals, there were better candidates to choose from.

This leaves one reason for picking her: She’s “new and different” like Obama. Only Obama has had two years of campaigning during which we’ve learned about his judgement, capabilities, vision, etc., and we only have 6 months to learn about Palin, and that’s not enough time to learn anything except that she has a paper-thin resume.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that this choice was a big mistake.

And that’s why you see Obama retract a statement questioning her qualifications. The mistake is just so big, the pandering so obvious, the qualifications so non-existent, the partisanship so extreme that the smart thing to do is just get out of the way and let her implode. She’ll do great for a week or two, and then reality will sink in.

I’ll end with a quote from one campaigner’s missives:

“I believe that someday we are going to have a woman president, possibly during my life, and I’ve often thought the best way to pave the way for this was to first nominate and elect a woman as vice-president. But I think Mondale made a serious mistake when he picked Geraldine Ferraro as his running mate. In my view, he guessed wrong in deciding to take a congresswoman that almost nobody had ever heard of and try to put her in line for the presidency … I don’t know who among the Democrats might have been a better choice, but it was obvious Mondale picked Geraldine Ferraro simply because he believed there was a ‘gender gap’ where I was concerned and she was a woman.”

Ronald Reagan, “An American Life”. 1991.

Posted by: Max at August 30, 2008 2:56 AM
Comment #260324

I’ve never seen so many comments on Watchblog in so short a time - very telling.

painofan the palinhater, I’ve got some bad news for you. I’ve known Sarah for years and years and you aren’t going to get the gaffes that you are so desperately hoping for. Sarah is articulate to a fault and is so disarmingly polite that she destroys people in debates.

Watch and see how fast she comes up to speed on world affairs, and if she does misspeak, make sure you jump all over in the typical hypocritical way you liberals have of forgetting Obama’s 57 states and the dozen other ridiculous things that have come out of his mouth in the last few months.

America is going to fall in love with Sarah Palin, just like Alaska did.

As for the uneducated on Alaska financials, Alaska does not generate its revenues from big oil, we are the only state in the union that actually owns its subsurface property. THe government didn’t think the state could make it 50 years ago without that little benny. It is the royalties we collect on the extraction of the oil at market rates that pads our coffers, and if you knew ANYTHING about the gas line deal that Sarah has put together up here (AGIA) then you would know how much she loathes the big 3 producers: BP, Exxon, and Conoco Phillips.

The fact is, Sarah is the real deal, and there won’t be a vetting process more thorough than what John McCain has already done. Sarah is squeaky clean, sparkling in fact, and could give lectures at a charm school. It demonstrates how pathetically ignorant you liberals are about Alaska to compare running our state that is so big you can’t even explain it until you’ve lived here, to running a town of 600,000 people.

Maybe if the town was really just a town of 250,000 and had 50 suburbs of a few thousand that arent connected by roads or rivers, and it was a two to three hour plane flight between suburbs that have tiny little airstrips you can only land on every thrid day due to inclement weather, and as Governor, you had to orchestrate fire, police, education, national guard etc. to handle the insanely difficult challenges that present themselves on a weekly basis. Yeah, but could someone please tell me of a town of around 600,000 that is like that?

No, you’re just plain ig’nint.

I won’t be seeing her for a while now, I’m sure, but God Bless her for her standards and the reward that she has seen for them.

Posted by: Yukon Jake at August 30, 2008 4:04 AM
Comment #260348

Jake

The fact is, Sarah is the real deal, and there won’t be a vetting process more thorough than what John McCain has already done.

It is apparent that you have some rather substantial personal opinion here, and rightly so. However I must point out that John McCain met with the lady one time. For all intent and purposes the latter in know way indicates a thorough vetting process. It indicates an impulsive reaction based only on politics.

Posted by: RickIL at August 30, 2008 10:53 AM
Comment #260357

Jake,
Well done. Don’t let facts get in the way of your pre-judgements. Don’t read and listen to Republicans and Democrats who know her. Use the technique Hillary tried on Barack dismissing without listening. Carvell likes the way you think.

Posted by: Tom Besly at August 30, 2008 11:42 AM
Comment #260361

Max,

Thanks for carrying the insensitivity of elitism far enough to make my point for me with this statement- “It’s idiotic and elitist to point out that Obama’s studying at Harvard Law, being editor of the Law Review, and teaching at one of the most prestigious law schools in this nation is more applicable to working in government than having been a commercial fisherman? I think you’ve lost your mind.

Yes. Absolutely it is. America was founded on the belief that the people are not merely the people to whom the government answers. The ARE the government. Elitists believe one must be groomed to power and those not so groomed should know their place is to do as they are told. “Prestige” is just an elitists way of telling the rest of us “you wouldn’t understand”. Blindly following prestige is the way of failure, as the history of Europe has repeatedly shown.

Even in America we need only look as far as the invention of the airplane so see the cost of following prestige. The brilliant, well educated, well funded Samuel Langley, director of the Smithsonian Institution, a man with prestige falling off him in globs, failed repeatedly to produce a successful flying machine while a couple of common bicycle builders from (interestingly enough given the location of yesterday’s announcement) Dayton, Ohio bulled their way methodically through the process of succeeding.

Then the prestige mavens sought for nearly forty years to deny the Wright brothers patent rights to their success.

Yes, Max, your resort to the intellectual intimidation embodied in “prestige” is elitist. It is also wrongheaded and the historical path to ruin.

You’re still an idiot.

Posted by: Lee Jamison at August 30, 2008 12:03 PM
Comment #260364

Blew my last post. Should have been to Rick.

Posted by: Tom Besly at August 30, 2008 12:22 PM
Comment #260365

Charles Ross,

Your comments in #260313 make the point of why this is such a good choice on the part of the McCain campaign. You have made an argument for convenience killing. Sure difficult children take up greater resources. I have a son, now making straight “A”s in college whose dyslexia was so severe he was thought to be retarded in the second grade. Since then his tested IQ has climbed into to 130s, but it took a lot of resources to get him there.

The fact of the matter is that even “regular” brilliant children take up greater resources than thoe with ordinary intelligence. Should we get rid of them, too?

You question the Palin’s choice to commit THEIR OWN RESOURCES to the raising of a child who may or may not be very impaired by genetics. What kind of example is that? How should the rest of us respond to neighborhoods that produce a high percentage of criminals, following your example? Do we really have the resources to carry the burden of these unproductive places?

Compassion for the helpless and the disenfranchised starts with the most helpless and those who have no franchise at all.

Posted by: Lee Jamison at August 30, 2008 12:24 PM
Comment #260375

Lee, I certainly agree that the slippery slope argument is certainly applicable in my position. Already in the world, I’m guessing that tens of thousands of fetus’s are aborted or babies abandoned simply because they are female; a practice I find appalling. but … . I think there is still a few nuggets of truth to be drawn out of my comments above:
- that resources are limited. The resources needed to help a child overcome spina bifida (SB) are considerably more than what a child with dyslexia would require. The average cost to treat a child with SB is about one million dollars. That money is simply not there. We have friends in Colorado whose son is autistic. He is going into his teen years, bigger, stronger and is now uncontrollable. His condition has taken ALL of this families resources. He is now institutionalized and his family pays the entire cost of his care. They are completely and totally bankrupt. They tell us that having nothing is a sort of freedom because they no longer have any decisions to make. “compassion for the helpless” is certainly a fine concept, but the reality is that it takes a lot of money to care for children with extreme physical conditions. In a for-profit system that money is simply not there.
- That we, in fact, live in a world in which reasonably healthy children die every day from illnesses that are easily treatable. That number is 26,000 PER DAY, world wide. This death rate has been sustained day after day, year after year, decade after decade.
Sarah Palin’s son, depending upon the severity of his condition, is going to need enourmous resources for what may be a total lifetime of care. Lee, you have no idea where the resources are coming from to care for this child. His lifespan will almost surely be considerably shorter, he will probably be sterile, he will be likely to have heart problems. Deciding to bear a Down’s Syndrome baby may conform to Sarah Palin’s beliefs and principles but I’m with the 90% who choose to terminate the pregnancy.
Human life is not priceless.

Posted by: charles ross at August 30, 2008 1:13 PM
Comment #260377

TomB

Well done. Don’t let facts get in the way of your pre-judgements. Don’t read and listen to Republicans and Democrats who know her. Use the technique Hillary tried on Barack dismissing without listening. Carvell likes the way you think.

This is not a pre-judgment. We know McCain met with her one time. It is a fact. We know very little about her other than the niceties which have been shown on television. While she most assuredly would not get my vote I am not automatically dismissing her as a credible candidate. She absolutely must be called out and judged over time to establish a reliable credibility. This is not something that can be automatically assumed. The perception is that this was not a well thought out process by McCain. I can not help that. I did not create that perception. It exists in reality.

You are probably right about Carvell. I find him to be a man of some practicality.

Posted by: RickIL at August 30, 2008 1:31 PM
Comment #260379

Someone had mentioned about her trying to get her brother-in-law fired. I understand that he had been beating his wife up. I would have tried to get him fired for that myself. I am glad for her stand on abortion and the death penalty. What no one realises if Obama does get in there he will most likely side with Muslims. Do you want terrorists being able to freely go throughout the U.S.

Posted by: Raylene Smith at August 30, 2008 1:53 PM
Comment #260380

I don’t want to walk into the middle of this, but one of the grocery store chains here, Dominicks, now owned by Safeway, employs many adults with Down’s Syndrome and other disabilities. This organization helps them without enormous resources: http://www.avenuestoindependence.org/

Disabled people go to work here every day. They don’t need any more assistance than an elderly person might need.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 30, 2008 1:59 PM
Comment #260382

“What no one realises if Obama does get in there he will most likely side with Muslims. Do you want terrorists being able to freely go throughout the U.S.”

A big yawn to you, Raylene. On what do you base this sublimely stupid statement?

Also, please recall that it was the current administration sleeping on duty which allowed terrorists “to go freely throughout the U.S.” on 9-11.

Posted by: pianofan at August 30, 2008 2:04 PM
Comment #260385

“painofan the palinhater, I’ve got some bad news for you. I’ve known Sarah for years and years and you aren’t going to get the gaffes that you are so desperately hoping for. Sarah is articulate to a fault and is so disarmingly polite that she destroys people in debates.”

Duuuude … I don’t know Palin and don’t hate her; but boy do I disagree with her politics. And my money stays on her becoming a liability to the McCain machine.

This election is going to swirl around foreign policy - Palin is too green to do well here. (In this area, Palin reminds me of Harriet Miers, who couldn’t be remediated in constitutional law even by crews of experts, before her confirmation hearings.)

And those who hope that Clinton supporters will change their allegiance to Sarah Palin have been concentrating on the wrong end of Palin’s anatomy. Palin’s views should gag people who consider themselves moderate. She opposes abortion (even in cases of rape and incest), fervently supports the NRA, questions that humans have anything to do with climate change, champions drilling up every last inch of the Arctic, and believes creationism should be taught in public schools.

Any Clinton followers who find common ground with Sarah Palin give rise to the suspicion that their preference of Clinton over Obama had more to do with her skin color than her politics.

McCain picked her because her beliefs tack right of Jerry Falwell - McCain’s hoping she’ll prod Bush’s bovine religious base into the polls. Whether she can do that remains to be seen.

Posted by: pianofan at August 30, 2008 2:29 PM
Comment #260386

Barack cannot win, lol. If he is not being blind-sided by his real Christian connections he is accused, by the totally ignorant, that he is Muslim. Why not talk about what that conservative bastion, CNN, calls real exagerations and stretches in his celebrated acceptance speech instead of the cartoon (probably Democratic trick) positions that are not true?

Posted by: Tom Besly at August 30, 2008 2:34 PM
Comment #260390

Tom Besley, re: comment #260386….huhhhh????
And to Raylene, on top of pianofan’s yawn……a disgusted sigh!

Posted by: janedoe at August 30, 2008 3:16 PM
Comment #260392

Lee Jamison, your blatant violation of our rules for participation prevents your commenting here further. Calling other commenters here idiots is not permitted. There are other sites which will accommodate your personal insults. Enjoy.

Posted by: WatchBlog Manager at August 30, 2008 3:42 PM
Comment #260409

There is nothing elite about growing up on food stamps, so get over it! Is it so elite that he could work hard to get what he wants or are you just so jealous that you were so lazy and couldn’t do it?

Posted by: mangryob at August 30, 2008 6:23 PM
Comment #260437

Lee,

I wondered how many times you were going to be able to get away with the name calling…

Anyway, my point was that Barak studied political science and international law while at Harvard. Palin majored in Journalism and took up commercial fishing. Nothing against either one, but Obama’s studies have more to do with running this country. I do not believe I am being an elitist snob by pointing this out. Palin’s qualifications, which I and many pundits believe are seriously lacking, are going to be the subject of a lot of debate in the future.

Posted by: Max at August 30, 2008 8:45 PM
Comment #260440

This is all over for John McCain
Polls: Voters Doubt Palin’s Qualifications While Obama Expands Lead

Read full article at
http://art-of-politics.blogspot.com

Posted by: John at August 30, 2008 9:15 PM
Comment #260442

Raylene

What no one realises if Obama does get in there he will most likely side with Muslims. Do you want terrorists being able to freely go throughout the U.S.

Is it terrorists you fear or Muslims? Not all Muslims are terrorists. Obama is not Muslim. Your statement is so ridiculously off the wall that I can only assume you spend a lot of time listening to and believing Limbaugh or one of the other right wing propagandists. Please, give us a break here. The man has been in the national spotlight each and every day for the last nineteen months proclaiming his christian faith. Have you not been paying attention or are is it that you only hear what you want to hear?

Posted by: RickIL at August 30, 2008 9:36 PM
Comment #260445

Hey Yukon,

Someone else that knows Palin has something to say about her running:

“I’m not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she’s a woman and a conservative. Well, she’s a better speaker than McCain,” Faye Palin, Sarah Palin’s Mother in Law said with a laugh.

Posted by: Max at August 30, 2008 9:50 PM
Comment #260454

Yes Orealy, there are many disabled people who grow up to lead productive lives. I guess I’m kind of skating on thin ice with the points I was trying to make, so I’ll just leave it be.

Posted by: charles ross at August 30, 2008 10:47 PM
Comment #260455

She is a hunter, which is okay, but she has no real scruples about it. She hunts polar and grizzly bear, which are both on the endangered list, and she hunts moose……from a helicopter with an automatic weapon. Now that…is a woman with sensitivity.
The news agencies will maybe be a little slower this weekend due to the holiday, but between Gustav and Sarah, Tuesday should be shaking!
And am I the only one who sees that Obama’s campaign is quiet? They aren’t out there following the scent of blood to wounded game. This is one of those things that will be best served by independent sources filling in all of the blanks.
There are lots of questions to be answered……stories to be verified or put to rest, and the business of electing a new President to be picked up again.
The R’s are hyperventilating in here with trying to stay ahead of all the rumors and protect this woman. Hell, they think she needs to be the VP, and that’s no stroll in the park.

Posted by: janedoe at August 30, 2008 10:50 PM
Comment #260467

Lee Jamison has always been so courteous that somebody must have really hit a nerve, which I can’t figure out from what was posted. It would be a loss to the red column not to have him writing here. It looks like a lot of excitement was whipped up because another woman wouldn’t stick to baking cookies, and has opinions which many view as incorrect for a woman in high office. IMO, the criticism would not have been as severe, if JMcC had chosen a man with identical views.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 30, 2008 11:57 PM
Comment #260468

I personally am not in favor of banning people from posting on this board for name calling. I don’t think calling someone an “idiot” rises to the level of being a vicious, personal attack. most people, i suspect, have said things here that are, indeed, idiotic. (present company excepted, of course.) Take raylene up above here. She thinks that Barack Obama sides with the Muslims, and that were he to be elected, “terrorists would freely go throughout the United States.” I would never call her an idiot. Not particularly because i fear being banned from Watchblog, but rather because doing so would undermine my argument and reveal my extreme frustration at what some people consider to be intellectual dialogue.
I think it would be more appropriate to just remind people that directly attacking others only undermines their argument and adds nothing to our personal efforts to understand each others views.

Posted by: charles ross at August 31, 2008 12:00 AM
Comment #260471

It’s not that she’s a woman, it’s that she’s a Buchanan Conservative (literally, she’s a supporter), and an obvious Hillary Voter magnet. Like I said, she’s a trophy running mate, there to make McCain look good to various constituencies, rather than being chosen for functional reasons like Biden was.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 31, 2008 12:09 AM
Comment #260484

SD, IOW, she has incorrect opinions. A stopped clock is right as often as the Buchanans, but people are certainly entitled to have those views. I like his interchanges with Rachel Maddow. I can’t imagine how Sarah Palin can be considered to be an HRC voter magnet. People who would vote for JMcC would never vote for BHO anyway. I would think that if she is so unqualified, her opposition would be glad that she is on the ticket. JMcC could have picked any one of a number of other choices, who would be more problematic for his opponents.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 31, 2008 1:03 AM
Comment #260861
I can’t imagine how Sarah Palin can be considered to be an HRC voter magnet. People who would vote for JMcC would never vote for BHO anyway

What does attempting to attract HRC voters have to do with BHO?

BTW, there are some of us who are not on either side atm. I’m actually on a 3rd side but, to be honest, could be swayed if either of the candidates would stop slinging the mud, especially their followers and talk about how they are going to eliminate the debt (not the deficit, the debt), encourage energy independance, bring back jobs lost because of the idiodically high corporate tax rate we have and do so while retreiving individual liberty, not stepping on it.

The fact is, neither one at this point is doing that and that leaves me out in the cold. But to say that someone who could vote for JmC would never vote for BHO, and vice-verse, while not the point is still not accurate either.

BTW, this is a group of people that may vote for JmC who were going to vote for Hillary. You can say that ‘those people are not real democrats’, and that’s fine. But do you really want to lose their votes regardless? Apparently some don’t care.

Posted by: Rhinehold at September 1, 2008 10:55 PM
Comment #260979

Obama’s Vision consists of him living in the White House. He is the epitome of an empty suit.

Posted by: Keith McIntyre at September 2, 2008 1:39 PM
Comment #261077

So after reading all the comments, yes all of them, it seems that people can’t remember that…
Most of the people in the U.S.A. succeed in life without going to Harvard; a good education is not a prerequisite to be brilliant. For instance George Washington only had an elementary school education. Abraham Lincoln educated himself after he was 8, and in law. Perhaps a person can lead without a formal education? Perhaps succeeding by buying into a social system (evidenced by his education) is not evidence of either an understanding of the common man, or a core understanding of why people don’t like certian things about society. My point - being smart is not enough perhaps you need experience as a “normal” person to understand normal people. Perhaps Obama has it perhaps not, but it is logical fallacy to assume that there is only one cause for wisdom.

Posted by: Curious at September 2, 2008 9:12 PM
Comment #261283

Curious -

What IS a requirement for being a good leader is INTELLECTUAL CURIOSITY. If one doesn’t have it, then one not only learns much less than one could, but also sees NO reason why he should learn more than what he already knows.

If you can’t see the danger in having a world leader who cares little about learning more than what he already knows, then…what does that say about you?

Does Bush have intellectual curiosity? I think you know the answer to that.

Does McCain have intellectual curiosity? He doesn’t even know how to e-mail (and my GRANDMOTHER did at age 93).

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at September 3, 2008 5:11 PM
Comment #261327

dear god in heaven, what is WRONG with john mccain?

Posted by: j e drake at September 3, 2008 11:03 PM
Comment #261429

Actually, Glen I do know the answer to that. But you seem to assume that intellectual curiosity is the same as being right. If you delve into the world of academics, not many agree with each other despite their “intellectual curiosity” and very few of them are right. Why? B/c academics is an analysis of why things may be right or argueing how things are right rather than coming up with the practical solution in the first place. I think we need practical solutions rather than rhetoric, don’t you?

Btw, I notice that you enjoy the fault in logic about going off topic, Palin is at issue here not McCain or Obama. Despite that you realize that the majority of the great thinkers were intellectually curious without mechanical or electronic technology. Make a case about how Socrates was technologically savvy and how this relates to his intellectual curiosity? In fact, a point of being intellectually curious is knowing what you don’t know.
Moreover to take up your “argument” about McCain and Obama and the distinction you make…You do realize that there is an inherent difference between forming your own opinions based on experience (true intellectual curiousity), and being educated to accept others opinions (socialization). What experience does Obama bring that shows that he is an independent thinker rather than a parrot?

Posted by: Curious at September 4, 2008 10:26 AM
Comment #262889

McCain & Palain”
COUNTRY FIRST


SHEPHERDS of LIFE


The twelve Apostles appointed by Christ
Were given power to cast out evil within.
He sent them forth to preach, teach and heal
As God’s shepherd’s from Heaven to men.

Republicans and democrats now campaign for office
In God’s land of liberty, freedom and choice.
Deliberately shaping their future in history
By their judgment, accomplishment and voice.

Once more we must choose our shepherds of life
Driven by love, liberty and country’s call.
Propelled by duty, honor and faith
Pledging to protect and defend justice for all.

Our world has become more dangerous than ever
Due to war, hate, plunder and disease.
Take heed therefore and ponder your vote
As you pray who to vote for on your knees.


PATRIOTS


They choose their opportunities
To become strong, not weak
By pulling up their boot straps
They acquire the dreams they seek.

Their personal goals of well being
Will never stand in the way
Of doing their public duty
No matter what others may say.

Their devotion shall prove contagious
It’s the brilliance of their kind
What you find in most of them
Is great character of mind.

With faith and courage, they must live
For their lives to be complete
With good morals and family life
They’ll triumph, even in defeat.

They are raised to participate
Within their community
With their fellow men and women
They enrich life and liberty.


THE PRESIDENCY


Those who wish to be President
Must practice what they teach.
For their people need inspiring
To believe what they preach.

Take heed therefore, unto
You overseers of the flock
Or the voters shall cast you out
For your futures are not of rock.

Life may place you in deep waters
Though it doesn’t wish you to drown.
It’s your past record that lets us know
Who you are as you smile or frown.

If you wish to be remembered
From the truth you must never part.
Power corrupts the best of us
When we stop listening to our heart.


SONS AND DAUGHTERS of WORLD WAR III


Our sons and daughters serve in harms way
To defend our way of life.
Some are students, some grandparents
Many a husband or wife.

They face great odds without complaint
Gambling life and limb for little pay.
So far away from all they love
Fight our soldiers for whom we pray.

The plotters and planners of America’s doom
pledge to murder and maim all they can.
From early childhood they are taught
To kill is to become a man.

They exploit their young as weapons of choice
Teaching in heaven virgins will await.
Destroying lives along with their own
To learn of their falsehoods too late.

The fearful cry we must submit
And find a way to soothe them.
Where defenders worry if we stand down
The future for America is grim.

Now’s not the time to fight one another
Or kiss our enemy’s cheek.
All through history it remains the same
The strong enslave the weak.

May God continue to bless America
Refusing evil the upper hand.
It’s up to us to stay resolute
Defending the liberty of Man.

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Posted by: Tom Zart Most Published Poet On The Web at September 12, 2008 11:08 PM
Comment #262890

The White House Washington
March 16, 2007
Ms. Lillian Cauldwell
President and Chief Executive Officer
Passionate Internet Voices Radio
Ann Arbor Michigan

Dear Lillian:

Number 41 passed on the CDs from Tom Zart. Thank you for thinking of me. I am thankful for your efforts to honor our brave military personnel and their families. America owes these courageous men and women a debt of gratitude, and I am honored to be the commander in chief of the greatest force for freedom in the history of the world.

Best Wishes.

Sincerely,

George W. Bush


TOM ZART’S
52
MEMORIAL’S DAY
AMERICA AT WAR POEMS

GOD LOVES HIS SOLDIERS


Sometimes it’s hard to protect what is right
Sometimes we’re scorned as for others we fight.
Some of us are willing regardless of loss
To commit our soul to save the cross.

Evil prospers on greed and human hate
Always eager to destroy and defecate.
God’s grace descends on the souls of man
Cleansing the impure wherever He can.

As long as man has struggled on earth
Life has had its troubles from birth.
God’s seed of goodness has delayed man’s demise
Thank Heaven for his heroes the strong and the wise.

The Lord adores his heroes of yesterday
Just how numerous, only He could say.
God loves his soldiers who line up to serve
By standing against evil His grace they deserve.


NEVER BE AFRAID TO BE PROUD of AMERICA


America, the abundant, the place I was born
I’ll cherish till the day I die.
Where the bones of past heroes lie buried in the ground
Who loved her the same as I.

Her mountains are so tall they reach for the sky
With prairies where the green grasses grow.
There’s billions of trees where wild birds nest
With creatures that flourish below.

That blue gold called water with which we are blessed
As raindrops or crystallized snow;
Changes to rivers and fresh water lakes
While the winds of our seasons blow.

There’s the haunt of a whistle from a lonely freight train
Racing on ribbons of steel
With the harvest of farms and from the factories
Balanced in a box on a wheel.

Some cities have buildings a hundred stories tall
Structures of concrete, glass and steel.
A statue in a harbor, a present from France
Describes how, inside, we feel.

That flag on the moon with red and white stripes
Proves America’s dreams come true.
A country of heroes who line up to protect
The past, the present and the few.

We’ll defeat terrorism as it should be fought
Never letting Satan’s horde chase us to our door.
Safeguarding our borders and system of life
As our forefathers sacrificed before.

Never be afraid to be proud of America
And march with the brave, faithful and just.
Refusing to submit to the will of our enemies
Standing firm to preserve what we trust.


INTO THE TEETH of THE DOG


All through history man was born to struggle
Surviving nature, disease, greed, and war.
Since his conception he has remained the same
Choosing to serve evil or good as before.

Our boys and girls face the teeth of the dog
In hot spots all over our earth.
They leave their families and all they love
To protect and preserve what liberty is worth.

The foes they face are the mad dogs of man
With a desire to kill, disfigure and enslave.
They sing and dance to the death of others
Teaching principles of hate till the grave.

Support our troops who battle the horde
While we live the good life back home.
When you see a soldier show them your smile
Say “hello we love you and your not alone.”


THE MAD DOGS OF MAN


Wherever dwell the mad dogs of man
There is corruption, plunder and hate.
In every city, town, or village
Those who promote distrust deserve their fate.

All are born as an innocent child
Till mislead by others along the way.
God has always loved his children
Though it breaks His heart when they stray.

The mad dogs of man never repent
For they have no sense of shame or sorrow.
Worshiping dominance and the dark side of life
Abusing victims as if there were no tomorrow.

God gives the will to sin no more
And to overcome evil unwilling to cease.
The mad dogs of man must be stopped
Who murder, rape and destroy world peace.

Samson, Solomon, and David
Were chosen by God to stand tall.
They faced great odds and the fear of death
Refusing to ignore their call.

The time has come for the good men of earth
To band together to restrain the horde.
Standing firm against tyranny where it exists
Putting the mad dogs of man to the sword.


WHERE WARS ARE WON OR LOST


Wars are waged by older men
In battle rooms in countries apart.
Who call for greater firepower
And troops for the combat chart.

While out among the shattered flesh
The dreams of all have turned gray.
So young and determined their faces were
Till on the battlefield they lay.

Unable to overcome their pride
The politicians cast their vote.
For this or that or something else
As the rage of war sounds its note.

Wherever wars are won or lost
The soldiers fall like toys.
Down through history it remains the same
Most who die are hardly more than boys.

Like monkeys in a revolving cage
Man squabbles for the peanuts of power.
When will we rise above our greed
And become as a beautiful flower?

Death to death, dust to dust
The wrath of war is a horrible crime.
It’s the beast within that still prevails
As it has through the torments of time.


WAR IS THE GREATEST PLAGUE OF MAN


As war is fought it takes charge
And events spin out of control.
The madness of men can alter the soil
Which nourishes the roots of their soul.

Many things will forever change
Far more then wished to be.
As the wrath of war starts to destroy
Those things we fight to keep free.

War is the greatest plague of man
Religion, state, and sanity.
Any scourge is more preferred
Than the one which disables humanity.

When war breaks out, boundaries change
And all who die are a token
Of the rage that must run it’s course
Before words of peace are spoken.

War I hate, though not men, flags nor race
But war itself with its ugly face.
When we lose faith in the brave, which die
Then we’re not fit to greet those who cry.

What distinguishes war isn’t death
But that man is slain by fellow man.
Crushed by cruelty and injustice
With his enemy’s murderous hand.

War tends to punish the punishers
So the losers won’t suffer alone.
The essence of war is but violence
Till the survivors come marching home.

Sometimes it’s hard to defend what’s right
Sometimes we’re forced to rise up and fight.
Sometimes we survive, while others must die
Sometimes never knowing the reason why.

The rush of combat is a natural buzz
Caused by fear, leaving nothing as it was.
Hunting one another like wild game
Without a shortage of those to blame.

Sometimes victory comes too slow or quick
Sometimes the cost on both sides is sick.
Sometimes God is asked to intervene
To help stop the savage from being so mean.

War is a hell we visit before death
Fueled by the whisper of the devil’s breath.
There must be a reason man destroys man
But why it is so, I can’t understand.


SEPTEMBER 11th


After suffering the wrath of a sneak attack
America now mourns to her very core.
Though soon her enemies shall all but flee
From the sound of America waging full war.

Let there be no doubt, no doubt at all
That the devil has decided to give us a call.
We shall defeat hell’s soldiers and cast them out
And if we die; that’s what freedom is about.

We shall seek them out wherever they may hide
Street by street, house-by-house, cave by cave.
They will be eradicated from the face of the earth
By the righteous, the loyal and the brave.


SATAN’S HORDE SHALL BE REMOVED


Overrun with war and uncontrolled leaders
Our world becomes more dangerous each day.
dishonest politicians, criminals and the media
Survive by their falsehoods at play.

Bible believers preach, that the end is near
Our world as a whole is beyond reform.
God will eradicate all which is wicked
By His fire of eruption and storm.

To evil’s victory, I will never concede
May its supporters anguish in hell.
By the grace of God and the power of faith
The goodness of man will prevail.

What we accomplish is heaven’s measure
As patriots respond to the threats of man.
Protect and defend what we love till death
As the soldiers of Satan arise from the sand.


SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF WORLD WAR III


Our sons and daughters serve in harms way
To defend our way of life.
Some are students, some grandparents
Many a husband or wife.

They face great odds without complaint
Gambling life and limb for little pay.
So far away from all they love
Fight our soldiers for whom we pray.

The plotters and planners of America’s doom
pledge to murder and maim all they can.
From early childhood they are taught
To kill is to become a man.

They exploit their young as weapons of choice
Teaching in heaven, virgins will await.
Destroying lives along with their own
To learn of their falsehoods too late.

The fearful cry we must submit
And find a way to soothe them.
Where defenders worry if we stand down
The future for America is grim.

Now’s not the time to fight one another
Or kiss our enemy’s cheek.
All through history it remains the same
The strong enslave the weak.

May God continue to bless America
Refusing evil, the upper hand.
It’s up to us to stay resolute
Defending the liberty of Man.


SO DEAR TO MY HEART


So dear to my heart are my loved ones at home
As I toss and I turn in my bunk all alone.
Everyday I see death, hate, and corruption
Combat is God’s proof of man’s malfunction

For family, comrades, and myself I pray
To my love with this poem I wish to convey.
I knew I loved you though never how much
Till by war, I’m forced beyond your touch.

Where violence thrives, there’s the stench of death
With the taste of fear on every breath.
Who shall prevail, who shall die
As the sadistic kill beneath God’s sky.

Baghdad has become man’s highway to hell
Where the hearts of darkness are alive and well.
I count each day till it’s time to come home
And be with my love and never alone.

Love You
Your Marine


FREEDOM

In their new uniforms
The young march off
Not knowing who shall return.
With a proud devotion
They brandish their flag
Leaving loved ones to wonder and yearn.

May we all be buried
By all of our children
Is an ancient tribal prayer.
They’re so easy to lose
But so hard to forget
Such a burden for a parent to bear.

Oh, the taste of victory
Shall soon be forgotten
But, never that which was lost.
For those rows of white headstones
In peaceful green fields
Make it easy to tally the cost.

America has survived all attempts to destroy
Knowing the cruelty of war
And, we who remain
Must help keep her free
For those who can march no more!


OUR FLAG


Our flag is fabric wove of thread
Carried by heroes live and dead.
She stands for justice and courage too
With her colors; red, white and blue.

For all who serve her, there’ll be cheers
For any who die, there’ll be tears.
For all who love her, life is swell
For those who harm her, war is hell.

How many moms have cried before
As they sent their children to war.
How many dads have not returned
Because our freedom must be earned.

Wars were waged where brave men died
As patriots fought side by side.
Our flag is still the pearl of earth
Because of those who prove her worth.


LOVE OF COUNTRY


I dedicate this poem from inside my tent
As the desert winds keep it’s silhouette bent.
My love of country is at full boil now
I’d like to describe it but it’s hard to know how.

Tomorrow I’ll hunt those who enjoy our death
Cursed by their hatred and foulness of breath.
I don’t care if it’s another God they serve
For their crime’s retribution is what they deserve.

Their horde survives by a different set of rules,
Though soon they’ll learn the fate of murderous fools.
Proudly I serve my homeland and president
Who I’ve sworn to defend one hundred percent.

While haunted by visions of what I must do
I fight for justice, and the red, white, and blue.


VETERAN’S DAY


The cost of freedom is sometimes high
Extremely more when our loved one’s die.
Men and women pledged to fight and serve
And it’s our support that they deserve.

Mankind itself is the one to blame
That all through history, the story’s the same.
Peace, like love, can be hard to acquire
Subject always to enemy fire.

Some how the righteous tend to prevail
Over the miss-guided, prone to fail.
No wonder we fear the tongues that lie
As mankind squabbles beneath God’s sky.

The danger our solders face is real
So lets let them know just how we feel.
Put forth your flag and show them your heart
As those we love from us depart.


THE BATTLE FOR BAGHDAD


Determined though scared, I walk my beat
On the deadly streets of Baghdad.
Searching for any who plot our harm
Or by our death are joyous and glad.

Standing in shadows caused by the moon
I’m reminded of my nights back home.
I wonder if the woman I love
Is growing tired of sleeping alone?

I feel remorse for all who live here
For this place is a madman’s hell.
And those who wish to keep it that way
Must be killed or locked away in jail.

My greatest fear is not my death
But that I’ll end up in a wheelchair.
Disabled for the rest of my life,
Depending on others for my care.

My wife, she prays for my safe return
As night and day more GI’s are killed.
She knows quite well, whatever it takes
The oath I’ve given will be fulfilled.


SADDAM


The king of Baghdad has fallen
Never to dictate again.
Man shall sentence him for this crimes
And heaven shun him for his sin.

For his tyranny, he was famous
In every capital on earth.
Till apprehended in his spider hole
Completely stripped of his worth.

He is guilty of rape and genocide
While he ruled without remorse.
His power and prestige were toppled
Once George Bush set his course.

Though it may seem that the wicked triumph
And have conquered by their brutality of hand,
Through the power of faith they are defeated
By the seed of goodness in man.


FORMIDABLE FOE


America is the birthday cake of earth
As the ants march from every direction.
Thank God for all who have sworn to defend her
Serving with love, honor, pride, and affection.

Since the first day George Washington marched off to war
There have been those who have wished our demise.
Their hatred, fueled by jealousy and greed
Was defeated by our brave and the wise.

Once again, we must face a formidable foe
Who have pledged by their God to destroy us all
Misusing their faith as an excuse to kill
As for a worldwide jihad, their leaders call.

Some say we should try to appease them
For if we resist, they’ll hate us even more.
But the David’s among us shall cast our stones
Defeating them, as it was done before.


SHOULD TOMORROW START WITHOUT ME


Should tomorrow start without me
Remember I love you.
Looking down from up above
Seeing everything you do.

If I become a casualty
I pray you will love again
Whom ever makes you happy
I’ll consider my friend.

Should tomorrow start without me
Remind our boys, God loves all who care.
And when life seems too harsh and cruel
With “Him” they must share their prayer.

I have proven I’m not a coward
Who breaks and runs to survive.
Always fearing death will kiss me
As the streets of Baghdad I drive.

Should tomorrow start without me
Be proud I choose to serve.
Our faith and our patriotism
Earn the freedom we deserve.

I miss home more than ever
It breaks my heart to stay away
I can’t help but want to hold you
And whisper what I say.


AMERICAN SOLDIER


Our soldiers line up to be remembered
As the best of the best at their job.
They wish to be needed and depended on
To save all we love from the mob.

They risk their life and limb for liberty
Standing firm against evil unwilling to break.
To be part of something greater than themselves
They are willing to sacrifice whatever it will take.


THANK HEAVEN FOR HEROES


Thank heaven for the heroes of life
Who lead us to overcome those who are not.
The wise are grateful for all God’s blessings
Where fools never realize what they’ve got.

America is the grain train of earth
Whose people exercise rule by their vote.
All have a chance to partake and prosper
As they arrive by foot, plane or boat.

Our freedom relies on the law of the land
Our future depends on our grit.
Our past has known both good and bad
And our mistakes we are willing to admit.

The grim of heart hate America
And choose to put her wonders to shame
The devotion of most who love and live here
Rise up to defeat the soldiers of blame.


THE LONELINESS OF WAR


I know I’m still here so far, far away
As I fight for what I believe is right.
I wonder about you and your mom
Every moment of every day and night.

The loneliness of war can drive you insane
If you don’t get letters of concern from home.
Left, right, behind and ahead,
Death awaits leaving love ones alone.

We pray to God that we will be saved
To return home or live the here after.
Bloody, dirt-covered men, we see everyday
As we yearn for those times of laughter.

The far off stare of a fallen comrade
As you stay by his side till his end.
No mother ever carried her infant child
More carefully, than we do a friend.

Many have their own personal diaries
To help keep their faculties together.
Watching hot steel crash into human flesh
Always makes home seem far away and better.

I’ve become an expert at dodging, weaving and diving
So try not to worry too much about me.
Just help your mom and stand up from the ground
And while I’m gone be all you can be.


SACRIFICE,TRANSFORMATION,AND UNRESTRICTED WARFARE


The Japanese hadn’t lost a war since 1598
Each man carried 400 rounds of ammunition
(twice as many as an American infantryman)
With five days rations and fearless determination.

The men in the badly wrapped brown uniforms
Since their early childhood had been taught
That to die for the emperor and one’s country
Was the greatest of all glories to be sought.

Moreover, the hardware backing them was awesome
As sharpshooters they were accurate up to a thousand yards and more.
Their ships were faster, their guns bigger, Their torpedoes better
And their planes matchless in quality, aerobatics and score.

Only by sacrifice, transformation, and unrestricted warfare
Was America able to overcome and prevail.
Again America must stand firm to survive
As we face a new monster from Hell.


VIETNAM


SOLDIER IN THE RAIN


I’m just a soldier who stands in the rain
My memories of home are what keep me sane.
Back home is a land of milk and honey
Ruled by lust and love of money.

But, what can I say, when I serve her true
For I volunteered to see this war through.
Now, that I’m here, it’s hard to believe
We’re just the victims of those who deceive.

As darkness falls on the rice fields of Nam
Scared men with rifles walk the shadows of the calm.
It’s thousands of miles to the steps of my church
With its stained glass, steeples and lost souls who search.

Off in the distance I see an arc light
Bombs being dropped on children at night.
I’ve seen that evil they call the yellow rain
And how life withers when it’s sprayed by a plane.

All of my buddies have been taken away
No more touch football will they ever play.
Zipped in their body bags for the long trip home
Are some of the bravest, I’ve ever known.

War is a hell, devised by man
There’s death in the sea, the sky and the land.
Lord, I can’t help but wish I were home
Back with my love, whom I hope is alone?


DADS AT WAR


Where would I be without you dad
My hero of night and day
I’m so glad you love my mother
And take time for us each day.

The last time we played baseball
You reached for me with your hand.
I looked at you, then made a wish
That I might be just half the man.

I love my father of this earth
And I love my father of heaven.
It’s a lot for me to love, you know
For I’m only eleven.

Mom and I sure miss you
Since you left to defend our flag.
When others ask, where is your dad
I can’t help but boast and brag.


BULLETS AND BARBWIRE


We awoke to the crack of rifle fire
With mortar rounds hitting the ground near by.
The flying shrapnel was absorbed by sand bags
Which saved lots of us who wished not to die.

The hot spent shell casings fell to the ground
As the VC charged our fortified hill.
We killed so many the stench made us sick
While we fought to live and not for a thrill.

Barbwire, bullets and clay-mores took their toll
As red and green tracers lit up the sky.
Before long I was the last GI left
When napalm caused my enemy to fry.

Fleeing the sound of our choppers gunfire
The enemy retreated to the caves and trees.
Then I cried, “thank you ” to heaven above
As I checked out my buddies on my knees.

Somehow I managed to survive the day
Though many I’ve served with names I have read
Carved in the shinny black stone of The Wall
Are my comrades of war, among the dead.


KOREA 1950


UN soldiers fought and were forced to retreat
Behind sandbags protected by barbwire hoops.
Many GI’s died as they held off attacks
By 810,000 Communist troops.

Our guys used phosphorus, flame-throwers and napalm
For without these weapons they could not survive.
The Communist charges led by buglers
Till the UN could start it’s offensive drive.

On the battlefield of death and misery
Many froze with their hands still stuck to their guns.
While others hobbled with their boots wrapped in rags
City boys, farmers, students, fathers and sons.

With a million and a half dead or wounded
Both sides singed a truce before generals involved.
July 27th, 1953
And though thousands were orphaned, nothing was solved.


WORLD WAR II


WAR


As war is fought it takes charge
And events spin out of control.
The madness of men can alter the soil
Which nourishes the roots of their soul.

Many things will forever change
Far more then wished to be.
As the wrath of war starts to destroy
Those things we fight to keep free.

War is the greatest plague of man
Religion, state, and sanity.
Any scourge is more preferred
Than the one which disables humanity.

When war breaks out, boundaries change
And all who die are a token
Of the rage that must run it’s course
Before words of peace are spoken.


TROOP SHIP


Our ship had sailed before the dawn
Surrounded by the thickest of fog
Still ignorant of our destination
Or what was written in the captain’s log.

It didn’t take long for me to see
Our cruise was not for fun
An experience of a lifetime
With nowhere for us to run.

Twenty knots per hour we cruised
As the white caps passed us by
Ten thousand young Americans
Off to Europe to die.

A sailor told us not to worry
Someday we’d get our mail.
Uncle Sam would make sure
No matter how far we sail.

Thirty feet deep I tried to sleep
Beneath our ship’s waterline
Just the place for claustrophobia
To enter into my mind.

My favorite vest was my May West
Which I wore all the time
Just in case of German U-boats
Or an underwater mine.

Thirty-three days we were at sea
We crossed the equator twice.
Many years have passed since then
Those years of sacrifice.


BRAVERY


Many brave souls lived before now
Unwept and unknown by their face.
Lost somewhere in the distant night
Till a poet chronicles their grace.

True bravery is shown by performing
Without witness, what one might be
Capable of before the world
Without any or all to see.

How great the brave who rest in peace
All blessings from heaven to earth.
They gave our country but their best
Those destined to be brave from birth.


PEARL HARBOR


Sunday, December the seventh
In the year of 1941,
While most of Hawaii still slept
Came the planes of the Rising Sun.

Waves of bombers and fighters flew
From the decks of the Japanese ships.
While our planes were still on the ground
“Banzai” was spoken from their lips.

The winds of war had been blowing
Across the oceans of our earth
Though not till Pearl had been bombed
Did we realize what freedom’s worth.

Wars are fought and won on two fronts
At home and on the battle line.
Both are equally important
When war consumes our heart and mind.

The attack brought us World War II
With death, pain and separation.
All who had served were well aware
Of their sacrifice for nation.


CONFLICT


The harder the conflict we sometimes face
The far more glorious is the victory.
Tyranny like hell is tough to defeat
When it raises its head throughout history.

War never leaves a country as it was
When neutrality is a word disregarded.
As the murderous hands of man himself
Are to blame for all who have departed.


D-DAY THE WALL


Over two hundred rangers scaled “The Wall”
A stone cliff over one hundred feet tall.
Some of them made it all the way to the top
While others fell and perished from their drop.

Those who climbed over, had answered God’s call
For men to stop evil once and for all.
They fought the Germans and destroyed their guns
To save the lives of our fathers and sons.

So many years have passed since then
When our world’s future was saved by brave men.
We cannot forget the hell they went through
Before the skies, again turned blue.


D-DAY


D-Day raised the curtain on the conflict
That fore shadowed the end of Hitler’s dream.
The largest joint combat landing ever
Though the blood from both sides flowed like a stream.

When their boats hit the sand, their ramps went down
And all within paid a visit to hell.
They jumped out to do good for their country
And to kill the enemy without fail.

They fought the Germans, tides, winds and the waves
In conditions not easily foreseen.
By night the battle was in our favor
With bravery, valor, death, and men who scream.

The corpses littered the beach for five miles
Though heroism had carried the day.
With literally thousands dead or wounded
Those who were left were determined to stay.

They faced great odds and chose not to protest
And won the war that put evil to shame.
Most came home, married and raised their babies
But those who could not we recall with pain.


MIDWAY


It was June the 4th 1942
As I was floating in the ocean alone
The ship I had sailed on, sank to the bottom
And I thought I would never again, see home.

The Japanese fleet had steamed in from the east
With the intentions of capturing Midway.
Though they were stopped by American war ships
Whose guns, bombs and torpedoes planes saved the day.

All night long, I watched the fireworks of war
And on the second day we turned up the heat.
As big bombers from Hawaii dropped their loads
On Japanese ships who soon chose to retreat.

An imperial pilot came floating close by
Who had been chewed on by the beasts of the sea.
I couldn’t help but feel passion for this is man
Who had answered his call just like me.

When it was over, I was plucked from the deep
By men in a lifeboat just after the dawn.
For two days I had watched the battle for, Midway
Now it’s quiet and the enemy has gone.


SURVIVAL


I drifted all night and was loosing my hope
Before by the moon’s light I saw dry land.
I floated over and through its reefs to the beach
Where I quickly smoothed out my tracks in the sand.

All I had was my dagger and a canteen
And it was May 4th of 43.
Just me alone on an enemy island
Wasn’t a safe place for a sailor to be.

I felt I could kill in less than a heartbeat
If that’s what it took for me to survive.
I’d already said thanks so many times
For” God” was the reason I was alive.

Off in the dark, I herd two men’s voices
Laughing and talking in a language not mine.
Inch by inch I crept to their campsite
Where on what they were eating, I would soon dine.

I stabbed them both and took their fish, rice and wine
Then ran my way back to the raft by the beach.
Soon I was floating in the ocean again
And far enough out where bullets couldn’t reach.

The next day I was picked up by a seaplane
Whose crew spotted my sail from the air.
Once inside and safe, I cried like a child
For the dead whom would forever be there.

It was hard to believe heaven let me live
A farm boy from Kansas, in high school last year.
My girlfriend is blond and she hates it I ‘m gone
Though I’m a veteran of battle, death, and fear.


OKINAWA


Okinawa was to be our last stop
Before we invaded Japan.
The largest landing of the Pacific war
As our soldiers ran across the sand.

At first our marines were scarcely opposed
But on the fifth day hell they found.
A solid wall of human resistance
Firing their weapons from caves in the ground.

Air power and big guns had little affect
On their cliff forts carved deep in the limestone.
It took man against man to root them out
As flying bullets pierced flesh and bone.

Kamikaze pilots crashed their planes
Knocking out transports and war ships.
As the Imperial air force struck our fleet
Cries of fear and hate spewed from lips.

One hundred, ten thousand Japanese
By the end of the battle were killed.
Over twelve thousand Americans died,
Before, just our flag flew over the field.


BATTLE OF THE ATLANTIC


After the fall of France in 1940
The Germans soon began their own blockade
With most their efforts in the Atlantic
Hoping to cut Britain’s flow of war trade.

With fast surface raiders like the Bismarck
Merchant ships caught at sea, had little chance.
The German’s small navy sank ship after ship
Till the British Navy destroyed war’s romance.

Shipping losses from German U-boats increased
And the battle of the Atlantic seemed lost.
But soon America would enter the war
To defeat freedom’s enemies at all cost.

Multitudes would die and their families cry
Before World War II would be fought to its end.
What a waste of mankind, which had lost its mind
Though now, our enemy is our friend.


PARTING


The truest words, which portray my love
I speak to you from within my heart.
May we always recall how we feel
Though through conflict we’re forced to part.

No one can say how long they will last
For life is not everlasting.
Yet most hope to be blessed by love
By he who does our casting.

As the fear of battle bites my flesh
My thoughts of home help keep me sane.
There’s no guarantee that I’ll survive
But either way, I’ll serve without shame.

Should the cold hands of death reach for me
I pray my soul will awake from sleep.
To the voice of God assuring me
That my spirit, he’s chosen to keep.

So try to remember while I’m gone
That the person I need most is you.
I’ll fight like hell to stay alive
To return home to the love I knew.


P.O.W.


When you become a P.O.W.
You find you’ve lost your liberty and more
The guy with the gun tells you what to do
As you yearn for freedoms you had before.

Your will to serve helps keep you alive
Though sometimes you wish you were dead.
Tortures far beyond any normal mind
And there’s no safety, even in your bed.

Bullets, barbwire, searchlights and sharp teeth
Keep you in a place you don’t wish to be.
The food is quite awful and sometimes it moves
And you’ve no choice of what you hear or see.

The lucky are released and return home
Though in their dreams their fate is unsure.
War may be hell, but confinement is worse
Cause afterwards you’re never as you were.


GENERAL QUARTERS


General quarters, general quarters
All hands man your battle station!
Sunday morning, December the 7th
As war confronted our nation.

We soon found out it wasn’t a drill
But instead it was war for real.
As you watch the death of friends and shipmates
It’s more anger than fear you feel.

Japanese warplanes came flying in low
As I took aim with my gun sight.
From the deck of a ship anchored at Pearl
Damaged, though crew still eager to fight.

I saw the face of a pilot, who crashed
Surrounded by black smoke and fire.
Some of my bullets must have found their mark.
For his death was but my desire!

Two thousand, three hundred and twenty-three killed
In a battle less than two hours.
With the heart of our Pacific fleet gone
Japan had flexed their naval powers.

The bombing and strafing of ships and troops
Caused our congress to declare full war.
Where many a man laid down his life
Fighting for flag, country and more.


KENNEDY= THE WAR YEARS
PT-109


After the attack on Pearl Harbor
He applied for sea duty in the war.
Where Lieutenant John F. Kennedy
Became known for his bravery and more.

In the dark hours before dawn
On August 2, of 43.
Kennedy commanded a torpedo boat
Through the blackness of night at sea.

PT 109, was on Solomon’s patrol
With a 12-man crew in a plywood craft.
A Japanese destroyer plowed through the night
Ramming and cutting Kennedy’s boat in half.

Two of the crew just disappeared
A third was badly burned.
Kennedy himself was thrown to the deck
Where in pain his leadership he earned.

Some of his men had never learned to swim
As he gathered them on the bobbing bow.
The hours passed tell it seemed it would sink
So they made for an island and here’s how.

He ordered those who could to swim
The others were to hang on to a beam.
Kennedy grabbed the injured sailor
And off they tread through the ocean stream.

With his teeth clenched on the burnt man’s vest straps
Skipper Kennedy swam 3 miles.
5 hours later they all made it
Despite their hardships, sharks, and trials.

The next problem was how to summon up help
Without arousing the enemy all around.
After several attempts swimming to other islands
Eventually two natives in a canoe were found.

Kennedy scratch a note on a coconut
To be delivered to a base 38 miles away.
The message made it and they were saved
And their courage still lives us today.


WORLD WAR I


FLY-BOYS


World War I gave us the fly-boys
Who flew by the seat of their pants.
Many would never return from war
While others survived by chance.

Their planes were mostly canvas and wood
Gasoline, bullets, bombs and poison gas.
Every pilot carried his own pistol
Wearing leathers, scarf and goggles of glass.

Aviators had no Parachutes
To escape their burning plane.
Many were forced to jump to their death
Or self inflect a bullet to the brain.

Blimps where known as battleships of the sky
The roar of their engines gave reason for fear.
They flew so high they were hard to shoot down
Hiding above clouds till their targets drew near.

Tracer bullets for the first time were used
In the guns of airplanes to set blimps a fire.
The skies became man’s highway of death
With duty and honor their driving desire.

How many Fly-boys have we lost since then
Those days of the Great War and more?
Where do we get such brave souls of chance
Who rise from the rest in the battles of war?

THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR


In 1860 life was good
Till its simpleness ceased one day.
The North wished to save the Union
While the South chose to break away.

America was torn apart
As six hundred thousand died.
Throughout four years of total war
Women without husbands cried.

The sad fact of the Civil War
Is what was left at its end.
Too many times, men’s evil acts
Destroyed both foe and friend.

The problem was, once it began
There was no peace or compromise.
Total victory must be proclaimed
Before rage would leave men’s eyes.

Destroy all that helps the enemy
Was the cry of either side.
Anything to obtain victory
As death on horseback did ride.

Black men dressed in old uniforms
Became the Union’s reserve.
They fought and died for their freedom
And their rights they earned and deserve.

Lifestyles would forever change
For all who survived the war.
It had ended as it began
With sadness, misery and more.

Both sides prayed to the same God
And spoke words from the Bible.
The prayers of both were not answered
For all involved were liable.


THE KANSAS FRONTIER


Coronado, in his search to find gold for Spain
Was the first European on the green Kansas plane.
Explorers and traders were arriving from France.
They saw the buffalo and the Indians who danced.

At the mouth of the Kaw were campfires in the dark
Two men by the river named Lewis and Clark.
Large numbers of Indians, forced out from the East
Resettled to Kansas where the buffalo feast.

So, many a cowboy decided to stay
It wasn’t very long and most Indians were forced away.
When Missouri joined the Union; the slave states equaled the free.
Which way would Kansas vote, congress was anxious to see?

The Heart-Landers were bleeding; their towns were on fire
As raiders from the slave states tried to force their desire.
The settlement of Lawrence was sacked by a mob
In revenge came John Brown, who would murder and rob.

Kansas joined the Union as the Civil War began.
After four long years of tragedy, many women lost their man.
Cattle trails met the railroads as they pushed across the state.
Farmers planted corn and wheat as the buffalo awaited their fate.

Those frontier days have long since gone, though the sunflower is still here
My childhood home of Kansas where the buffalo roam with the deer.


BLACK POWDER BRIDGE


A courier rider hands his papers to me
They are instructions from Robert E. Lee.
I am advised now is the time
To stop the troop movement on the Rock Island line.

I muster my men and they load up the boats
We powder our pistols and darken our coats.
Traveling the currents, the sun slips from sight
As brave men with a purpose have gathered to fight.

We capture a bridge before the moonrise
The Yankees who are here shall soon feed the flies.
The evil of war feeds on my brain
As I light the fuse to destroy a train.

Above us a trestle of timber and tar
As we pull our oars for a willowed sandbar.
From the banks of the river; we watch it approach
There’s shadows of soldiers, in the windows of a coach.

With a burst of bright yellow and a roar in my ear
I hear them scream as they ‘re falling in fear.
The river is boiling in steam, steel and stems
Back home their families shall soon sing funeral hymns.

The one lone survivor was a red stallion stud
I lassoed his neck, and freed him from the mud.
As I ride in his saddle beneath the stars that shine
I pray for forgiveness and some peace of mind.

War is a lesson we re eager to learn
When man has that fever to murder and burn.
Lord, please forgive me for what I have done
For all those I’ve silenced were some mother’s son.


THE FEVER OF FEAR


Cannons are bursting hot metal from the ground.
Soldiers are looting and burning our town.
The fever of fear rushes through my veins
As too many Bluecoats jump from troop trains.

Smoke from hot barrels is swirling around
As four thousand muskets volley their sound.
All of my comrades have stopped a lead ball
Most cry out, then stumble and fall.

Even the young lad who carried our flag
Now he lies dead as he clings to that rag.
Wagons with the wounded trail blood on the ground
Death and destruction are easily found.

The Generals are crying ‘cause they can’t stand defeat
But it’s always the soldier who dies on his feet.
Horse hooves are pounding on a bridge made of boards
As the sunlight reflects from the blades of their swords.

Quickly I hide out in the roots of a tree
Where the dirt has eroded and there’s just room for me.
After dark I sneak out with the cover of fog
Then float down the river, as I cling to a log.

Songs of their victory, ring out through the night
While from the cold, muddy water, I see their firelight.
It makes me remember my old country church
Where the preacher spoke God’s word from his holy perch.

That the seed of all conflict began in a cave
When man, like the wild wolf had to prove he was brave.


THUNDER IN THE GROUND


Cannons are bellowing from a ridge far away
The battle lines are forming and there’s little time to pray.
Musket balls are pelting like hailstones from the sky
I’m so full of fear cause I don ‘t want to die.

From beyond yonder hill comes a terrifying sound
It’s the music of the buglers and there’s thunder in the ground.
The fast-riding troopers have all drawn out their swords.
They ‘re shouting and screaming as they charge up the gorge.

It’s hard to believe how many make it through
As they’re hacking and shooting at the boys dressed in blue.
Then come the soldier men who run upon their feet
Every time I drop one, my heart skips a beat.

There’s a storm on the ground made of death, dust and smoke
My throat is so dry, I can ‘t help but choke.
The fury of the battle is bound to settle down
When most of the fighters lie dead on the ground.

After dark, the stretcher-bearers are afraid to search around
The wild hogs eat the wounded and I can ‘t stand the sound.
Come dawn, we dig ditches for all the brave, lifeless men
Then quote words from our Bible praying heaven lets them in.


SLAVERY


When you chain the neck of a slave
The other end fastens to you.
Your heart and soul become corrupt
And all which is evil you’ll do.

No government shall exist for long
Who’s people are not really free.
Though around the world there are those
Who stay blind to how life should be.

Any who must enslave others
Will dwell in their own living hell
After death, they’ll join their master
In that place from heaven he fell.

But till then we’ll fight and resist
Making them put their chains away.
And those of us who may die first
From heaven shall watch and pray


BROTHER AGAINST BROTHER


In the course of becoming officers
The young men of West Point bonded like brothers.
Till roomers of Civil War transformed friend to foe
As many cadets chose to serve others.

Fifty-five of sixty major battles fought
Were lead by graduates of the long gray line.
Yankees and Rebels ravaged one another
For to kill and plunder were virtues of the time.

Over six hundred thousand soldiers were consumed
Not counting multitudes of population.
Cities, farms and the countryside were laid to waste
Before our Union was restored to a nation.


THE LITTLEST SOLDIER


Nine year old Johnny Clem who stood just four feet tall
Ran away from Ohio to answer his country’s call.
He joined up with the Union and became a drummer boy
Soon to prove the gun he wore was far more than a toy.

Armed with a sawed-off musket, cut down to just fit him
He shot a Rebel horseman who tried to do him in.
Awarded his sergeant’s stripes and the silver medal
His comrades offered him hot coffee from their kettle.

The newspapers of the North, gladly published his story
Telling of the nine year old who earned his country’s glory.


THE BATTLE


The moon is sky high
And perfectly round
As it highlights the beauty
Of disputed ground.

Life is a journey
Where the passage is free.
After, there’s judgment
By the living and Thee.

Tomorrow’s carnage
We’ll survive if we can.
Death and dismemberment
By the hand of man.

Some will stumble
With absence of breath.
While others charge
Into the face of death.

We’ll race toward the battle
And pray for the best
Hoping somehow
We pass God’s test.


BUGLES


Their red and blue, ragtag flag stood out
Against their dust covered uniforms of gray.
Savagely we fought to kill our enemy
As the battle raged on in the heat of the day

Volley after volley we put forth our blaze
With thousands of led balls snapping flesh and bone.
Blistering sweat rolled down every face
As the tunes of war by bugles were blown.

There was a clanking sound of ramrods in barrels
As each new minieball was loaded and fired.
Some shot aimlessly into the smoke
While others took aim at the worn and tired.

Bullets were popping like the fourth of July
Yet our enemy kept surging ahead.
All at once they broke and ran off in groups
Scattering as for the forest they fled.

From behind the protection of a stacked-stone wall
The victorious cheered or just sat starring
At all the bodies of friend and foe
While for the wounded the surgeons were caring.

Soon the war was over and I survived
Despite it’s brutality on trampled ground.
From boy to man I was transformed
Though, still in the night I hear its sound.


LEAF ON THE WATER


America’s East Coast was settled by the Brits
As the Indians rule began to recede.
After many a battle, they lost their land
Giving into the white man’s power and greed.

In years to come like a leaf on the water
The Indians were swept away by the white man.
As trappers and pioneers pushing westward
Brought death and disease to the land.

With the white settlements came the fur traders
Followed by soldiers, forts, whiskey and form tools.
None of which helped the Indians to survive
Who chose to wage war, and break the white man’s rules.

Many treaties were made, just to be broken
By those eager for land, timber, furs and gold.
Prospectors arrived to plunder the land
And to be farmers, the Indians were told.

The combat raged on, to the western prairie
Over mountains and down through the desert sand.
Indians proved to be formidable foe
As both sides fought from afar and hand-to-hand.

Lieutenant Colonel Custer, led his cavalry
In search of fame and tribal disgrace.
But instead he and his men were butchered
By hostile Indians with paint on their face.

Around the campfires of Rosebud and Pine Ridge
Singing warriors danced till Sitting Bull’s death.
Most were forced to surrender at Wounded Knee
Where many sad Indian would draw their last breath.

With their fighting spirit completely broken
And their ancient tribal ways forever gone.
Proud Indians were moved to reservations
Where their once great history in song lives on.


THE HINGE OF HISTORY


The hinge of history swings in all directions
As the happenings of the past are written down.
Out of all that has occurred since man’s beginnings
Less has been recorded than waits to be found.

Babylonians kept chronicles of history
Hebrews wrote the past as a dramatic story.
Greeks had no faith in the future at all
Believing mans repeated errors doom his glory.

Christians added a new dimension to history
Looking forward to Christ’s return to earth.
An on going drama involving man and God
Believing all are created of equal worth.

Some have asked why must we study history
It just encourages us to live in the past.
When we forget history we repeat its mistakes
As the outcome of humanity is cast.


THE ALAMO


The leaves of the cottonwoods hung motionless
As outside the walls Santa Anna’s horde closed in.
A small band of Texans watched and waited
Preoccupied by combat and how life would end.

The battle raged from building to building
Till the old mission’s chapel was the last to fall.
Over 180 Texans died fighting to the man
Never to yield, surrender or crawl.

Six weeks later Sam Houston rallied his forces
With “Remember the Alamo” as their battle cry.
Attacking and defeating Santa Anna’s army
To win independence for Texas or die.

The Spanish word for “cottonwood” is “Alamo”
The long time popular name for the mission.
Today the stout-walled old chapel still stands
Preserved as a shrine of sacrifice and tradition.


GENERAL WASHINGTON


Once in command, he boxed in the British
At Boston where he captured Dorchester Heights
Overlooking the Brits at his mercy
As his men took aim with their cannon sites.

The British commander had but one choice
To sail to New York to renew the fight.
Where the English had much greater forces
Who soon chased Washington’s men in full flight.

They continued on to Pennsylvania
After crossing the Hudson in retreat
With the British forces in hot pursuit
It looked as though George was doomed to defeat.

When winter seemed to have stopped the fighting
That’s when Washington crossed the Delaware.
On that Christmas night he captured Trenton
Where Hessians were surprised and unaware.

He whipped the British at Princeton
Where in victory his men began to sing.
Washington then wintered at Morristown
Training his troops for the combat of spring.

Washington fought bravely at Brandywine
And again at a place called Germantown
But the British were the victorious ones
As the dead of both sides covered the ground

Americans were blessed early that spring
When the French entered the war on their side.
Though most suffered frostbite at Valley Forge
With the help of the French they marched in stride.

The battles raged on, in the North and South
As the King’s soldiers laid waste to the land.
Washington himself was in great despair
Pleading for aid for his weakened command.

His prayers were answered by 5000 troops
And a French fleet who took Chesapeake Bay.
They bottled up Cornwallis at Yorktown
Who surrendered to victory drums at play.

Yorktown was really the end of the war
Though not many quite realized that fact yet.
But the British soon grew tired of the fight
And the terms for its end were signed and set.

Washington yearned to retire at home
But his country chose him first president.
Cheering crowds waved flags of love and support
For they believed that “he,” by God, was sent.


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Tom Zart
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Posted by: Tom Zart at September 12, 2008 11:14 PM
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