Immigration: Reid Drives into the Ditch

How about this immigration plan? 1) Secure the border 2) Require illegal aliens already here to register. They would get tamper proof IDs, giving them the right to work temporarily. 3) Any business that hires illegal workers w/o that ID card faces fines and possible prison time for executives. 4) Each illegal alien would have his case reviewed by federal authorities. They would decide who stays - no blanket amnesty.

Those of you who liked it might now consider the source.

Meanwhile, Harry Reid has gone off the tracks and into the PC ditch. The PC crowd long ago objected to the accurate term illegal aliens, substituting the nebulous and inaccurate undocumented worker. Now Harry Reid has climbed the crazy hill, calling the illegal aliens undocumented Americans. I suppose if he means people from the Western Hemisphere he is right about at least some of them, but if he means Americans in the sense of United States citizens he is just slingin' manure.

Reid does not want to spoil the politics of the issue with something as inconvenient as American citizenship.

Posted by Jack at June 11, 2007 9:28 PM
Comments
Comment #222877

Jack, Jack, Jack…

This is a non-issue.
Rather large entities such as DR Horton Homes and Centex are actually INVESTED in the status quo. This issue is a distractor issue.

These entities give enough money in political contributions to get their way regardless of party.

They currently contribute largely to the Republicans, but if necessary, they can and will switch and support those who will stagnate this issue. It isn’t about pary.

NOTHING will be done about immigration.
Watch.

Posted by: RGF at June 11, 2007 10:21 PM
Comment #222894

That’s a good solution to secure the border and punish businesses; however, Reid is completely hopeless on this issue and so is the President. The people (of this Nation) spoke up and put the heat on congress; my only concern (now) is that Bush doesn’t authorize an executive order and pass this bill into law.

Posted by: rahdigly at June 11, 2007 11:25 PM
Comment #222912

I like parts one thru three of your suggestion.

Posted by: Richard Rhodes at June 12, 2007 12:14 AM
Comment #222919

NOTHING will be done about immigration.
Watch.

Until something blows up and we can prove the perpitrators came over the border illegally. Would they be undocumented working terrorists?

Posted by: Chef Phil at June 12, 2007 12:23 AM
Comment #222938

Richard

Not my suggestions. Bill O’Reilly’s.

Posted by: Jack at June 12, 2007 7:09 AM
Comment #222941

rahdigly,
I know people seem to think the president is a king and can “make law” but he isn’t and he can’t.
Article I, Section 1, U.S. Constitution

Jack,
Here are my suggestions for dealing with illegal immigration
1)Secure the border
2)Impose draconian penalties for hiring illegals
3)Deport the ones we can catch

I know nothing even remotely like this will be done since it goes against the goals of the internationalists running this country and protects American sovereignty.

Posted by: traveller at June 12, 2007 9:17 AM
Comment #222948

Jack, all in all the 4 points you made are good ones. 2 Problems I see:

1) There is no such things as a “Tamper Proof ID” card. There will be forgeries and fakes, and we’ll have to figure out how to handle that. For example, if a business hires an illegal with a fake “Tamper Proof Card” how is that handled?
2) If we cut off the Southern Border, terrorists will simply come in through Canada. NOT to say we should not protect the Southern border, just that if you plug one hole, another opens up.

Still, enacting these 4 points is a good start…and from the folks I know on both sides of the political spectrum, there is widespread agreement. Thus it will NEVER happen. LOL….When was the last time our leaders, Red or Blue, passed legislation that the masses wanted?

Posted by: Steve K at June 12, 2007 9:48 AM
Comment #222950

I have to agree that this is a reasonably good plan. I personally would place the bulk of responsibility and accountability on the business owners who so willingly hire and pay the illegals substandard wages to do our dirty work. I am not in agreement with placing 10,000 national guard on our borders. Why not just hire an adequate amount of border patrol to do the job. Also I do not feel a seven hundred mile fence is necesary. I have to believe that with todays technology and an adequate amount of people our nieghboring borders can be properly secured. This plus a simplified procedure to account for and register all illegals combined with serious enforced penalties for employers who do not comply with the law should do the trick.

I think that unfortunately what is happening is that special interests are once again complicating the issues and of course demanding loopholes and special considerations for certain groups of people. Once again it is the power of wealth and greed which is gumming up the process and making a joke out of what should be a fairly simple process. But then nothing seems to be simple in todays government. By the time a bill is amended to please all the special interest groups it rarely resembles the original and often does little to appease the problem, sometimes even complicating and making the situation worse than it was before. I fully expect that whatever bill is finally passed to be so bloated with loopholes and require so much complicated procedure that in the end little will change to improve our situation. Once again greed induced corruption will be the downfall of a bill that in the end should be better for us and our nieghbors by finally setting up a viable system to let our nieghbors work here legally and reasonably secure our borders against threat.

Posted by: ILdem at June 12, 2007 9:57 AM
Comment #222957

Getting a “tamper” proof ID card sounds like a good idea; however, our Federal Gov’t officials are having a hard time granting passports for thousands of people, I’m not sure they can handle 12 million plus.

Posted by: rahdigly at June 12, 2007 10:36 AM
Comment #222975

Good plan Jack.
Just don’t ask for accountability for the ones who vote against such measures.

Posted by: kctim at June 12, 2007 12:45 PM
Comment #222979

Jack-
Don’t blame Reid. Most of your people voted against getting the bill through. Talk to them.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 12, 2007 1:10 PM
Comment #222980

Jack, are you for or against Bush’s plan? I don’t quite get it. If you’re against it, you’re on Harry Reid’s side, since he refuses to bring it to the table. If you’re for it, you’re advocating a road to amnesty. Which is it?

Posted by: Jon Rice at June 12, 2007 1:21 PM
Comment #222981

BTW Jack, much as I hate the tone of O’Reilly’s post, I agree with much of the content. If only he could sound a little more dispassionate and a little less hateful, he’d have greater credibility.

Posted by: Jon Rice at June 12, 2007 1:25 PM
Comment #222988

Jon, Reid has stood on the Senate floor and called the illegals “undocumented Americans”; now, as much as I cannot stand the President’s position on this issue, he has not even gone as far as calling them “undocumented Americans”. It is clear that Reid is against the President no matter what.

Posted by: rahdigly at June 12, 2007 3:24 PM
Comment #222989

Jack,

The fact that you are focusing on Reid shows your partisan leanings. Like the bill or not, it’s Bush’s bill, Bush’s car, and Bush’s ditch.

And Bush likes using the term “undocumented” too. So does McCain. But you don’t want to pick on them because they are your heroes.

Posted by: Woody Mena at June 12, 2007 3:32 PM
Comment #223000

Jack,
Sorry to say this to you, but you, like Bush have it all wrong on this immigration nonsense. I was one of the conservatives that called and called and called and called and faxxed and wrote 3 letters.

All hail the democratic process for killing this thing before it killed us.

Here’s the glaring problem - making new laws and new policies does not an immigration problem fix.

I don’t mean to imply you aren’t intelligent, but do you understand that simple truth?

We have laws on the books now which not only are not enforced, but are actively handicapped in their enforcement - do a google search on instances where police cannot inquire of someones citizenship. What kind of craziness is this?

Creating legislation does not mean solving problems - and it certainly creates new ones. This country can’t keep up with the need for schools and education and health care as it is now, so how the heck will we do it in 2040 when the US has 440 million people?

Bush has completely abandoned conservative principles in every way but cutting taxes - which is the ONLY thing that has kept the small favor he now affords in the rapidly shrinking portion of the Republican Party that has their blinders on.

Don’t get me wrong, if Kerry were running the show, my kids would be in the ridiculously pathetic public school system with some liberal bufoon pushing their personal politics down their throats, and my taxes would be more insane than they already are, and many other things would be much worse socially (especially immigration) but the lesser of two evils IS STILL EVIL! I don’t think Bush is doing a good job on almost any front.

Side Note - It’s interesting that all the Dems on this site think McCain is who we should all be supporting on the right - laughable - because they know McCain is the only one Hilary has a chance to beat.

Posted by: Yukon Jake at June 12, 2007 4:54 PM
Comment #223002

Here’s that link correctly -

It’s 7 minutes, but it’s very worth watching.

watch it

Posted by: Yukon Jake at June 12, 2007 4:56 PM
Comment #223007

Because there are moneyed interests who contribute heavily to political campaigning in this country who quite literally INVESTED in the status quo…

NOTHING will happen. There will be no significant change.

We can expect something silly, like a wall, to placate those who think it has any value beyond psychological.

The Cubans and Haitians are SWIMMING here through shark laden Carribean waters!

The Mexicans have ALREADY demonstarted how foolish a waste of time money and effor the wall built by those misguided fools the Minutemen was…They buitl a berm on their side!
They could have ignored the fence and walked around. The minutemen only managed to build a couple hundred yards of fence. I believe they were driving a point home: No barrier will ever ever accomplish anything! It’s a foolish waste of time!

The whole issue is nothing but a political distration, anyway. Ask yourself: What is happeneing that the public eye is NOT noticing when the immigration issue is being energized and invested in?

NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN! The most that could happen is some sort of effort to placate the nervous, paranoid and misunderstanding general populace of voters in this country by some pointless project like a partial (and totally ineffectual) fence or wall.

Don’t believe me?
Just watch!

Posted by: RGF at June 12, 2007 5:18 PM
Comment #223018

How ‘bout this for an immigration plan:

Since the single greatest factor driving the flow of undocumented immigrants into this country is economic disparity and the single greates contributing factor to that disparity is the illegal drug traffic entering this country, let’s LEGALIZE drugs and TAX them! We would thus remove the profit incentive, create revenue and be able to document and control the trade!

Still BETTER: Let’s ALL STOP USING ILLEGAL DRUGS!

The sooner the disparity between quality of life for us and the quality of life attainable for poor Mexicans in Mexico narrows, so too will the flow of illegal immigration.

Ultimately, it is the only control we can exert that will have ANY effect on this issue as things stand. The powers that be in this country are too well invested in maintaining the status quo.

Posted by: RGF at June 12, 2007 7:37 PM
Comment #223023

Jack et al


Nature does not respect politcal lines. The migration from the South is a natural occurance due to the steep gradient of population demographics.This is amplified by economic disparity.much which is being fueled by the same demograpics. It is no more possible to stop than tree pollin or bird migration without useing means unlikely to be acceptable to a democratic ,civilized nation not at war with mexico For example,kill zones,minefields,summary executions,sinking of passenger ships and the like. For those sickos out there that think the latter are great ideas,just who’s army are we going to use. Ours is a little tied up right now fighting real enemies.
Using the term “illegal” to describe a person is gramatiacally incorrect.Illegal describes an act not a being. That term is current at this time as a step toward de-humanizing a set of individuals,a necessary process on they way for a society to commence a pogram.
The proposed immigration law would not solve the question of undocumented Americans. Some of the provisions are too onerious. These people would just remain in the shadows. The fines and background checks would be acceptable but the requirement for re-patriation and waiting means that few if any would take advantage of it and the problem would remain the same which,bottom line,is where business wants it. The bills failure is a victory for the status quo.

Posted by: BillS at June 12, 2007 9:27 PM
Comment #223168

Jack,

Each illegal alien would have his case reviewed by federal authorities.

One of the biggest problems I have with the ‘New Plan’ is simply how the heck do you think federal authorities will be able to do this job?
I see some rather difficult problems in this part alone.

1. Where do these federal authorities come from?
Are they going to be Located in each and very little town across the nation?

2. What type of criteria will be used in the hiring and training of these persons?

3. Will there be restrictions placed on these people? As in, must they be able to speak the languages necessary so the immigrants they are “judging” can actually understand and be understood? ie. Spanish. They of course would have to be trained to understand the cultural lifestyle of most of the immigrants. Those are just a few of the questions that I can come up with. I am sure there are thousands of others.

4. Just how will one get all the immigrants to actually check in with these persons? If it were me, frankly once I was here, I certainly wouldn’t want to show up at some predestined site and find out I have to go home. That would be stupid on my part, don’t you think?

5. How do you propose to finance this entire project? Hiring hundreds of new employees to work in this field would be a plus as far as un-employment goes, but how would we pay a decent wage? Where would that money come from? Plus the training would cost a tremendous amount of money.

I’ll end here. I think I’ve shown some of the problems I have with this idea.

Posted by: Linda H. at June 14, 2007 4:31 AM
Comment #223169

Jack,
BTW-
Why don’t they simply enforce the laws of 1987 (I believe it was 1987) which amount to the same the same ideas you expressed. If the government had actually followed the laws passed we might not be in the mess we are end now.

This is not merely a party problem, unless one wants to remember that the republicans were the ones in charge during most of that time period. ( I just couldn’t help reminding you of that, Jack! Sorry)

Posted by: Linda H. at June 14, 2007 4:45 AM
Comment #223273

MEXICANS ARE GOOD PEOPLE

It is very important to remember that unlike Black Americans, bigotry against Mexican Americans is still not being fully addressed.

Amnesty should continue to be part of our approach when attempting to solve our immigration problems with Mexico. The contributions hard-working Mexican Americans make to our society easily wipe out any so-called “free benefits” legal or non-legal immigrants may obtain through local, state, and federal programs.

Unlike some other Americans, many Mexican Americans are good people who possess a deep faith in Almighty God. Therefore they deserve to be treated with compassion & respect. In addition, we should double or triple the number of immigrants allowed on an annual basis with our friends from Mexico.

We must not forget that it is only with great difficulty & through hard work at low-paying jobs few other Americans want that many Mexicans eventually become citizens of the United States. It truly a blessing that so many Mexicans seek the opportunities the USA offers, & we should be honored to receive them in greater numbers into our country.

Vincent Bemowski
Website: Catholic Messages USA

Posted by: Vincent Bemowski at June 16, 2007 3:00 AM
Comment #223735

Hi Jack, remember me?

As I see it, plans often sound good until you get to the process of implementation. The Devil is in the details.

In order to even catalogue the 30% of the illegals who would voluntarily identify themselves, we would need an efficient bureaucracy (possibly the first since Hitler ran Germany). They would have to create a down and dirty system of categorizing applicants as eligible for temporary and possibly permanent residence and that means that some would be excluded by the process. At that point we would be right back at the beginning. And that is before we even begin to deal with illegals who are identified against their will.

If I was in charge, a frightening and exhausting prospect, I would start constructing barriers at the border, return first time illegals to the far side of Mexico putting a desert between them and the US border, incarcerate returning illegals for at least 2 years, and push for altering the Constitution to eliminate the provision of citizenship for those to people who born to persons who are in the county illegally.

There’s the stick, here’s the carrot. Increase the worker visa program and ensure that immigrant labor receives market wages and benefits, ease the citizenship application process and change the quota system to reflect the labor needs of the US, not the country of origin.

There are a plethora of problems with that agenda too and it fails to address the disposition of the 12 million immigrants residing criminally in the country now.

If it was easy, it would have already been fixed.

Posted by: goodkingned at June 22, 2007 4:41 AM
Comment #224317

The news today confirms what I have been saying all along.

There are too many and too much money invested in the status-quo for anything to change.

The immigration bill died today.
It was, predictably, all hype.

Now ask yourself:
What happened while so much of the nation’s attention was distracted with this BS?

Posted by: RGF at June 28, 2007 4:23 PM
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