Parisian Political Parallel

Barack Obama’s rise sounds a lot like France’s Socialist presidential candidate Segolene Royal.

From this weekend's Wall Street Journal:

Ms. Royal has come this far by tossing ideology out the window and by selling her personality instead of her beliefs, a phenomenon rarely seen in continental Europe. An attractive brunette who favors white shirt-suits made by French designer Paule Ka, Ms. Royal often has dodged policy debates. Asked during the car ride to discuss her record as current president of France's Poitou-Charentes region, Ms. Royal snapped: "Haven't you talked to my chief of staff about that?"

A trend in Western politics?

Posted by Mike Tate at February 12, 2007 8:39 AM
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Comment #207686

Mike,

No doubt Obama’s personality has much to do with the buzz around him. But selling out his ideology? I don’t even know how to respond to that; do you know enough about his ideology to say he is selling it out?

I personally think Obama needs more experience, but I also think that his speeches address his “vision” and the issues of the day — at least as much as other candidates.

This wouldn’t just be an attempt to associate a candidate from a party you don’t like with socialism, would it?

Posted by: Trent at February 12, 2007 8:48 AM
Comment #207690

Mike Tate,

While Obama is charismatic, I don’t think he is running on his personality. Even though the first primary is a year away, he does have some specific policy proposals. For example, he has a very clear plan to leave Iraq. You would probably disagree with him, but you can’t say he has dodged the issue.


Posted by: Woody Mena at February 12, 2007 9:36 AM
Comment #207694

I have heard it said that Obama is the first clean, african-american candidate. I suppose the rest all have been dirty n**s.
Jesse Jackson a former (and future?) candidate said that was all fine. The media thinks this is no big deal. Maybe it was just a poorly delivered joke.

Posted by: JoeRWC at February 12, 2007 10:27 AM
Comment #207696

Did you know O’Bama sounds like Osama? Also, it sounds foreign. Also, he only published his ideas in a book and on his website, which I can’t be bothered to look at. Also, he doesn’t have the experience of a Cheney or Rumsfeld.

Come on. People are smarter than that.

Posted by: Max at February 12, 2007 10:43 AM
Comment #207697

I personally find him much more straightforward on the issues, and much more politically savvy than the other candidates (who have more experience). He called the Iraq war back when everyone else was afraid to, saying he was for military intervention when necessary, but against a “dumb war, a rash war”. I like that he calls his plan to leave Iraq a “timetable”. When everyone else seems so full of it, this guy is like a breath of fresh air. Don’t know if he’ll make it, but I like what I hear.

Posted by: Max at February 12, 2007 10:50 AM
Comment #207705

Ah politics.

Everyone bashes the very idea of being a politician. It is almost a dirty word. That is, until it becomes convenient to call someone “inexperienced”. Then, suddenly, the high and mighty outsider perspective is crap on the shoes of someone with “political experience”.

Ooooh. Ahhhhh. I’m just bedazzled by experience. I want more of the same.

C’mon people. We can’t all have our cake (complaining about the culture of deception and corruption in Washington) and eat it too (bash candidates for not having enough experience in Washington politics). It’s just silly.

Maybe we should focus on his actual message? Maybe?

Posted by: Kevin23 at February 12, 2007 11:50 AM
Comment #207708

People like what they hear, even though it is the same thing others are saying. Kinda like a breath of fresh air. Well, to some people perfumed fecies is a breath of fresh air even thugh it is still called manure.

Posted by: tomh at February 12, 2007 11:59 AM
Comment #207712

Rudy Giuliani’s rise sounds a lot like France’s Socialist presidential candidate Segolene Royal.

I won’t offer any evidence for this assertion, or even any arguments. It’s just fun to compare him to someone French…

Posted by: Woody Mena at February 12, 2007 12:25 PM
Comment #207719
People like what they hear, even though it is the same thing others are saying.

Who else is saying that we should leave Iraq by a specific date? Who else is clearly proposing this commonsense idea?

Posted by: Max at February 12, 2007 12:57 PM
Comment #207741

Don’t know enough about the man yet. But her’s what I would like to see done pass the fair tax cut the bugetby 5% from what we spent last year don’t hire or replace any of the Federal Goverments employs for at least five years and stop pussy fotting around with terriosts and there backers just kill them and be done with it .Now that would be a good start.

Posted by: Steve at February 12, 2007 4:59 PM
Comment #207742

“Who else is saying that we should leave Iraq by a specific date? Who else is clearly proposing this commonsense idea?”
Posted by: Max at February 12, 2007 12:57 PM

Max, may I paraphrase your “commonsense”? Mr./Mrs. Terrorist, if you don’t lay down your arms and surrender by (fill in the date) we’re going to just leave and then you’ll be sorry.

Posted by: Jim at February 12, 2007 5:06 PM
Comment #207745

yeah Max…didn’t you realize that we were fighting a war against the evil nation of Terroristia, which has clear territorial boundaries, uniformed soldiers, and a highly visible and express hatred for Americans especially when face to face with them. Deadlines never work for anyone. They never achieve results. Iraqis are entitled to unlimited and unending support. Otherwise, we might as well just have our general surrender right now to their general, right on the battlefield.

As a matter of fact, we should eliminate all deadlines from all private and government workplaces. We should make a new federal department that oversees this. And all assistance programs from now forward should contain no deadlines, and no mandated obligations whatsoever. This goes for all private loans as well.

Now theirs a grand plan for the future. Don’t worry, WE don’t have to raise taxes and pay for it. Let the next generations deal with it. They’ll just thank us for toppling Saddam. You’ll see.

Posted by: Kevin23 at February 12, 2007 5:49 PM
Comment #207753

Here is the main reason the dims are so whoosy and gushy over BHO. If they don’t jump on his bandwagon, then they will further alienate the black base in the dim party. They saw the opposition party grabbing some of that black vote they so badly need. When the noise quiets down BHO will be one of the has beens for 2008.

Posted by: tomh at February 12, 2007 6:33 PM
Comment #207778

Steve
If we do not replace any federal employees for five years where will we get the people to kill all the terrorist and their supporters? *05 of the military would be gone. The 80% that may actually do the fighting.

tomh
nonsense

Posted by: BillS at February 12, 2007 8:47 PM
Comment #207779


tohm: You are so right. If the Democrats don’t jump on the Obama band wagon, the Republicans might get 12% of the black vote instead of 11%. When Lieberman switches to the Republican party, it might get 13% of the Jewish vote instead of 12%. By the way, the Republicans are loosing the Hispanics in droves. I wonder why?

Posted by: jlw at February 12, 2007 8:54 PM
Comment #207796

Kevin23 thats an excellent neoconish kind of idea,I was kinda wondering if it applies to April 15 and taxes?

Posted by: j2t2 at February 12, 2007 10:47 PM
Comment #207806

j2t2-

From what I gather, all you need to do to make it so is keep repeating it over and over again.

Posted by: Kevin23 at February 13, 2007 12:21 AM
Comment #207825

Tohm, By federal I mean the ones not connected with national security, let’s face our goverment is so bloated now it’s a joke. We really need some hard simple things done if we want our children to live in a republic not larger version of say oh France were the goverment takes so much from the people they strangle freedom. I believe the things I’ve said in my other comment would go a long way in righting many of the problems. If you throw in a serious crackdown on border control and a few other nagging problems this could be accomplished .

Posted by: Steve at February 13, 2007 9:11 AM
Comment #207866

Mike

(a) Obama is not a socialist.
(b) Rove would have done a much better job at trying to make it sound like he was
(c) Socialists aren’t that bad. In fact, they’re a hell of a lot better than many Republicans I know.

Posted by: Dave1-20-2009 at February 13, 2007 2:08 PM
Comment #207879

Dave1-20-2009

If he is not a socialist, he is nothing. He worked as an aide to Paul Simon from IL who belonged to a variety of socialist organizations. When he advocates any program it is in line with socialism, as other dims are.

My favorite citation is that when LBJ was president, Norman Thomas was head of the Socialist Party. He said that the democrats had out socialized the socialists. They have not changed since then, and the republicans have moved the same direction.

Posted by: tomh at February 13, 2007 3:08 PM
Comment #207899

tomh-

as usual…logic completely escapes you.

Posted by: Kevin23 at February 13, 2007 4:50 PM
Comment #207908

Kevin23

Birds of a feather flock together. Those politicians who are leftist surely don’t grow their teeth working with the JBS. They work where their allies are. The same with those on the right. It is logic. I certainly don’t know what you have reference to as far as lack of logic. I thought I was pretty straight forward. But, simplicity escapes some people. Some people have to read something into everyting they read or disagree with. That is illogical. When someone says “sit”, they don’t mean get up and walk, at least the people I know are that way, both left and right. So if your response is as above, I guarantee I will not read anything into it.

Posted by: tomh at February 13, 2007 5:38 PM
Comment #207920

Tomh-

huh? You make no sense. I have no idea what you are getting at with sitting v. walking.

Slow down and try to build your point like a house. Foundation first, then walls, roof, and THEN furniture.

I notice you throw out labels a lot, but you don’t seem to have any basis for doing so. And if it is so “simple” then why can’t you explain it without assuming or attacking?

Its a simple point I’m making Tomh…if you just can’t make a logically consistent statement, at least be honest and call it your belief. Otherwise, back it up with something more than the “no, you prove something first!” defense. We’re not children here to be easily amused and influenced by a light show and strong sentiments.

Posted by: Kevin23 at February 13, 2007 6:46 PM
Comment #207926
If he is not a socialist, he is nothing…Posted by: tomh at February 13, 2007 03:08 PM
No it doesn’t. It means he’s not a socialist. Like Bush, your approach is Manichaeistic. Posted by: Dave1-20-2009 at February 13, 2007 7:03 PM
Comment #207955

Kevin23

In your opinion what did I assume or who did I attack. I was not attacking Obama. I was stating a simplicity, that he was educated in the political real life by a former US Senator named Paul Simon who has a solid track record of being a socialist. What he has advocated so far is just like many a republican and democrat and those are socialist ideals. That is not an attack. That is stating a fact.

Posted by: tomh at February 13, 2007 9:14 PM
Comment #207959

Fact? Wow. Well, now we’ve come full circle. Seriously, you don’t see that you might have forgotten to connect a few dots?

Posted by: Kevin23 at February 13, 2007 9:55 PM
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