One People; One Country; One Dem Leader

We know how the ACLU treats dissention in it ranks. There is a lot of overlap in their membership and methods with Dems. “We are entering an era where when the speaker instructs you what to do, you do it.” “Some of the freshmen who came in with some naivete are understanding the meaning” of Ms. Pelosi’s endorsement, said Democrat James Moran. If they don’t, “they’ll screw themselves for the rest of their lives.” Hail victory.

One more quote (you can find them in Washington Post, BTW). "We have a pretty good idea" who the miscreants are. It remains to be seen if their wished-for committee assignments will be fulfilled." Nice to be liberal

Dems, to their credit, chose Steny Hoyer over the ethically challenged Jack Murtha anyway. Nancy Pelosi is not as strong as she (Moran and Murtha) thought. Maybe they will be more moderate than Pelsosi, Murtha and Moran think, as Nancy was saying to Horst, I mean Jim . . .

Posted by Jack at November 18, 2006 1:55 PM
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Comment #195587

Pelosi gets the best of both worlds with the ascention of Hoyer to the majority leader post.

1. By getting behind Murtha, she retains his loyalty and the loyalty of his supporters (thus maintaining her Iraq war cred. among those who think it’s going piss-poorly and Bush is running it the same way - read: the MAJORITY of voters). (She may very well have known Murtha would lose the vote…I would be surprised if she didn’t.)

2. Since Murtha lost, we’ll be spared the “ethically challenged” tag storylines running daily in the papers whenever the Dem leadership is discussed.

3. If Pelosi’s support of Murtha was a ruse, Hoyer may well have known this as well - and encouraged it based on item 1 above.

From a purely political view, Pelosi emerges BETTER off than if she had simply supported Hoyer. Even Fred Barnes thinks so…

What James Moran says hardly matters. Republicans should appreciate an attempt to “frighten the voters.” It’s exactly what they tried to do for the last three elections.

Posted by: Jeff Seltzer at November 18, 2006 2:28 PM
Comment #195591

When Democrats were in the minority, it made very little sense to oppose Pelosi. Now that we’re in the majority, it makes very little sense to simply follow her lead without question. We no longer need her to be the glue holding things together. Now she has to deal with the varied interests of her party, especially with the moderate liberals of the new incoming class.

The Media’s too used to the way things were done under DeLay and the other members of the Republican leadership. They squashed dissent with an iron bootheel. Democrats don’t typically stand for being bullied like that.

If Pelosi fails to lead effectively, we’ll get another speaker, one who the party can gather around. We aren’t so shy about showing the inner workings of our Democracy. This is what a working Democracy is: a messy work in progress. You only make it messier by trying to hide the seams.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 18, 2006 2:50 PM
Comment #195594

Jeff and Stephen

I do not really hold it against the Dems. What annoys me (and why I bring it up) is the idea that some Dems like to pretend to some sort of moral superiority.

I particularly like your remark, Jeff. It is like the kids when one kicks the other and then claims he “learned it” from the recipient of the kick.

Clearly, Dems have nothing more to learn about nasty politics.

I wrote before the election that the up side of a Dem win was the material I would have to write about. So far that is working out. When Dems call for budget cuts, I can now just say “sure, what will YOU cut” and when they complain about nastyness, I can just quote some of their leading members.

Blue writer have had it easy up till now. Welcome to the world of having to defend real, instead of hypothetical policies.

J

Posted by: Jack at November 18, 2006 3:07 PM
Comment #195602

I’ll start to worry when they start a war by lying, promote the use of torture, discard of the right to privacy, and install theodrcatic bigots like Scalia and Roberts into SCOTUS. Until then, we still need to undo the evils of BushCo and it will take a united front. And, Stephen and Jeff make very good points.

On the other hand, nothing you wrote seriously challenges the Democrats and Murtha was never charged with anything in ABSCAM, he was the only person who said “No thanks” to the $50k they put on the table in front of his face. I would say bringing this up it’s very hypocritical of you given the evil doings of Abramoff and DeLay and your defense of the GOPers.

Posted by: Dave1-20-2009 at November 18, 2006 7:19 PM
Comment #195604

Bombs sure are easy to throw aren’t they Dave1-20-09.

“theocratic bigots”

Scalia and Roberts don’t fit that description. And Scalia is one of the most brilliant justices of all time. How far to the left do you describe yourself? If you need help the parking lot beyond left field might be good for starters.

Posted by: tomh at November 18, 2006 7:34 PM
Comment #195605

Jack-
The thing is, I’m not defending Pelosi’s actions or those of Moran. That’s the important distinction.

Democrats aren’t perfect, aren’t immune to these issues. But we see more self interest in questioning our leaders than the Republicans have. We see questioning them as essential to geting what we want out of our government.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 18, 2006 7:57 PM
Comment #195607

Stephen

“If Pelosi fails to lead effectively, we’ll get another speaker, one who the party can gather around. We aren’t so shy about showing the inner workings of our Democracy. This is what a working Democracy is: a messy work in progress. You only make it messier by trying to hide the seams.”

What state and district do you represent in congress?

Posted by: Keith at November 18, 2006 8:16 PM
Comment #195608


Jack: So you say it is your sides turn to attack the Democrats policies in Congress. Turn about is fair play and all. Does this mean that we can defend them the way your side has been defending the Administration and the corrupt Republican Congress? Does this mean that it is our turn to call your side traitors?

One thing though, we still have two more years for President Bush, so your side isn’t going to have a free ride or have you all given up on Bush?

Posted by: jlw at November 18, 2006 8:23 PM
Comment #195613

jlw

You can call Republicans what you want.

I never detected much restraint before and do not expect much now.

It will just now be a bit harder to blame Republicans for everything. Dems control the budget. Anything spending they do not approve doesn’t get authorized. Dems control the confirmation process. They can vote down any justice they want and no longer have any excuse to bottle them up in committees.

Lots of promises have been made. Let’s see how fast things get “better.”

Posted by: Jack at November 18, 2006 9:10 PM
Comment #195620

Keith-
I represent the state of Texas, in the first and last district of me. :-)

Good heavens, do I have to be a member of Congress to speak in first person plural about my party? I speak for myself, and what I think my fellow party members believe. How many times in this last election did the Republicans claim to speak for what the people would choose? I at least keep my finger on the political pulse of my party. I’m not stating what I am uninformed about what my fellow party members think.

Jack-
Of course it will become harder. As will it become harder for Bush to avoid responsiblity on his decisions. I suspect he’s going to face a lot of potential vetoes down the road, and those vetoes are going to define him and his party the way that our legislation defines us.

I will not sit still for my party to screw this up, let me tell you. Trust me: the Democrats are under pressure to perform. Is the president going to be under the same pressure? Or are you folks going to just let him stubbornly continue his policy failures?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 18, 2006 9:55 PM
Comment #195621


Jack: when the Democrats pass legislation that I agree with, I will praise them. If they pass legislation that I don’t agree with, I will give them hell. I thay stand on the alter and marry themselves off to the corporations the way the Republicans have, I will disown them.

Posted by: jlw at November 18, 2006 10:08 PM
Comment #195623

Stephen

I can say with certainty that I will not be voting for Bush again in 2008.

I hope Dems can do a decent job. I have some hope for the more moderate ones that came in the last election. I will tell you plain that I do not like Pelosi or Murtha, but you probably know that. I have always liked Steny Hoyer. He is a hard worker and he dresses well. I even like Rangle. He is a pragmatist. But then you have Conyers and Waxman. We will see.


jlw

The Dems are already married to corporations, sometimes even the same ones. Poligamy is allowed among politicians. The business or America is business after all.

My guess is that you are more likely to be seriously disappointed by the Dems than I am.

Posted by: Jack at November 18, 2006 10:29 PM
Comment #195638

Dave1,

Since you brought up the Supreme Court, I have a question. When Scalia retires or dies, will all of those Democratic senators who were calling for “balance” demand an equally conservative judge to replace him?

Posted by: 1LT B at November 19, 2006 2:52 AM
Comment #195667

1lt
Balance???
by putting in yet ONE MORE conservative judge??
When there have already been TWO put in to replace moderate judges before them???
What a joke

Posted by: Russ at November 19, 2006 11:04 AM
Comment #195673

Democrats are trying to put lipstick on the pig of a loss that Nancy had handed to her.

She went as far as threatening incoming democratic freshmen that she would punish them with loss of committee seats if they didn’t vote FOR Murtha.

I believe the only reason Nancy lost was because it was a secret ballot. All that much trumpeted diversity of opinion and willingness to stand up will disappear when the votes are out in the open for real bills. Then they will bow down to their great leader or be punished. Which is exactly how the left wants it. The radical left (of whom Pelosi is one) Punish people like Lieberman, they do not reward them.

Posted by: Stephen at November 19, 2006 11:47 AM
Comment #195674

Russ,

Judges who assign to themselves the power that our founders gave only to our legislature…the power to write and rewrite the constitution are not moderate.

Posted by: Stephen at November 19, 2006 11:49 AM
Comment #195681

Stephen-
You talk of judicial activism and legislating from the bench. Is that anything more than decision you don’t like?

The judges are supposed to have power over the law. Judicial review and interpretation of what the law means are part and parcel of their job.

So the question to you and other Republicans is where they departed from the law? From my point of view, these quibbles are just talk, just a difference of politics and philosophy. So far, the appointment of conservative justices has done little to stem the tide of what you conservatives call judicial activism and legislating from the bench. If this is the case, then it’s much more likely that the law and the constitution are the basis for these decisions, and that all this talk is only demagoguery that needlessly subverts people’s respect for the law.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 19, 2006 12:34 PM
Comment #195793

After all the democrates critisism of the republicans it is time to see how the perfect party will perform.

Posted by: Dolan at November 19, 2006 11:44 PM
Comment #195926

Dolan-
We already saw how the party that thought it was perfect performed. It will indeed be important that Democrats like us not underestimate the challenges in front of us, nor make the mistake of becoming rote apologists for our party.

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