Politics No Longer Political?

We are becoming more motivated by apolitical developments in politics than by political ones.

It wasn't his take on immigration, gay marriage, or some other political controversy that plummeted Senator George Allen, once thought to be a landslider in Virginia's Senate Race, to a now virtual tie against Democratic challenger James Webb -- but his 'macaca' comment.

Now Senator Allen is trying to gain the ground he lost: blasting explicit sex scenes in fiction novels Webb wrote years ago. The Washington Post reports, "Conservative groups seized on the news, with one calling for Webb to withdraw for writing "Triple X" novels." Ridiculous.

And then there was the Foley scandal so many are upset about with the Republican leadership in the Congress -- not some other hot domestic political issue. Terence Samuel, writing in The American Prospect, claims "it is Mark Foley who will play a larger-than-anticipated role in his party's demise." Samuel then calls the Foley scandal "a nail in the GOP coffin." So it's the Foley scandal enraging so many voters not the hottest domestic issue this year: immigration -- which the Republican leadership has not delivered on. The 700-mile border fence that President Bush signed into law last week has no set start date or money appropriated. Where's the outrage? Foley's scenario was even a clashable topic in Missouri between Democratic challenger Clair McCaskill and Republican Senator Jim Talent during a previous NBC "Meet the Press." Foley's scandal could even help edge Democratic Senator Robert Menendez a few points against challenger Republican Tom Kean in New Jersey's tight race. A recent CNN poll shows that the Mark Foley scandal will be "extremely important" for only a quarter of Americans. Even though the issue ranks lower on people's scales than does terrorism or the economy, the fact that this scandal is even considered an issue to be polled on par with these other serious issues says a lot. Foley is amazingly political ammo.

Enter Barack Obama. His fame and political celebrity attributed not to his brilliance as a statesmen producing awesome legislation or governing ability but to his charisma and oratorical skills. Ezra Klein writing in the Los Angeles Times points out, "Indeed, Obama is that oddest of all creatures: a leader who's never led. There are no courageous, lonely crusades to his name, or supremely unlikely electoral battles beneath his belt. He won election running basically unopposed, and then refused to open himself to attack by making a controversial but correct issue his own." Let Obama prove his capability as an apt and able administer before allotting him the presidential nomination.

Last month when George Allen made another stir claiming his mother was Jewish, it took media precedence over the serious story of James Webb proposing solutions for Iraq after visiting his son battling there. Joe Klein wrote in Time, "we remain a nation befogged by affluence and voyeurism, where the story of George Allen's mother is far more compelling than that of Jim Webb's son." Especially at a time when Iraq could burst apart along cultural lines or become a lawless, Islamist state, Klein claims, "It should be the centerpiece of a serious national debate." But it's not.

"Shame on us," Klein concluded.

Posted by Mike Tate at October 31, 2006 11:55 PM
Comments
Comment #192110

Too much politics is “playing a game”. It’s astonishing to me that Democrats may win because of Foley, as opposed to the corruption and failure of the current congress to address our debt, Iraq, etc. However, there are shades of gray here. For instance, I consider the whole immigration issue to be a political play, crafted by Republicans to emotionally enrage their base.

Consider these links:

How Tony Snow really feels about immigration
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/03/how_about_a_little_common_sens.html

The skinny on the fence
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/30/opinion/30mon1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Not only is no real money allocated to the fence (because its a dumb idea), but the Democrats proposal was tougher on immigration than Bush’s legislation. Go figure.

Anyway, immigration is at least an issue that’s worth discussing, even if my real feeling is that the administration is not really approaching the issue honestly. The media focus on scandals to do with sex and bribes rather than issues in general is stupid. Probably the worst of it were the hundred million dollar investigations into Clinton’s sex life.

You know legally politicians are not even held to the basic standards of truth in advertising that say cereal manufacturers are. They can say anything they want.

Posted by: Max at November 1, 2006 5:09 AM
Comment #192112

Myy Name Is Roger

This all reminds me of a old song, from way back in the sixties.

O the games people play now
every night and every day now
never meaning what they say now
and never saying what they mean

Roger A Conservative Christian Republican

Posted by: ROGER at November 1, 2006 6:10 AM
Comment #192113

U.S. Senator George Allan is in trouble because of George Allan. He is a do nothing Senator who has done nothing except toe the line for right wing agenda and President Bush’s Administration, which has managed to screw up every attempt to change the United States laws and international policy.
He’s a disgrace to Virginia, and the United States. George Allan has an able opponent in James Webb a war veteran and experienced government administrator. Senator George Allan hopefully, will lose his seat in the Senate in the next week.

Posted by: john at November 1, 2006 6:23 AM
Comment #192148

Good post, Mike. But when you think about it, it’s very hard for anyone in the GOP these days to run on their accomplishments, because there are so few of them. So people like Allen are trying to use dispicable, personal tactics to disgrace their opponents for writing lurid scenes in a novel or two. Ridiculous, indeed. Almsot as ridiculous as the media giving personal attacks more attention than real policy issues to satisfy this country’s insatiable thirst for tabloid news instead of real news.

Posted by: Darth Independent at November 1, 2006 9:10 AM
Comment #192186

Webb wrote a novel with graphic porn. Do you want somebody writing legislation who writes porn?

And the reference to graphic porn is a description of a father kissing his sons penis. That is only one. There is so much more.

Posted by: tomh at November 1, 2006 10:34 AM
Comment #192227

To much focus on bribes and sex? Too much attention on illegal bribes for gaining influence. To much attention for allowing a pedophile republican to continue breaking the law, endangering youth. How horrible that politicians have unpleasant media coverage of their illegal activities. Yes illegal activities. If republicans don’t want that kind of media coverage, STOP BREAKING THE LAW.

Posted by: sassyathiest at November 1, 2006 12:00 PM
Comment #192232

Mike-

I liked the article. You are indeed correct. However this is not a new occurrence. Name calling and gossip have always played a large role in our politics.

tomh-

Please stop parroting the words of Hanity, Limbaugh, and O’reily like you know what you are talking about. Clearly you have never read any of his books. Jim Webb’s writings have been praised by John McCain, and by the Commandant of the United States Marine Corps, who has recommended Webb’s books on vietnam to our troops. Some portions may make you uncomfortable; they are designed to. However, it is certainly not porn.

You, tomh, have made Mike’s point for him.

Posted by: jrb at November 1, 2006 12:10 PM
Comment #192242

Try this on for size, what does our political “discourse” teach our children? My thoughts are here.

I had a soccer coach once tell me, never do anything that would embarass your mother, your father or your grandparents. I wonder how today’s candidates would measure up under such a test?

Posted by: Matt Johnston at November 1, 2006 12:29 PM
Comment #192250

matt-

good rule to live by

Posted by: jrb at November 1, 2006 12:39 PM
Comment #192258

Just read (somewhere) that negative ads are outpacing positive ads by 10 to 1.

Sad commentary about American politics.

Posted by: Jim T at November 1, 2006 12:53 PM
Comment #192259

“becoming”?

The connection of establishing policy based on politics is Bush’s and GOP’s MO. It’s taken a while, but the people and the Dems have caught on to it and figured out what to do with it. It’s time to throw the MF’in GOPers out with the slime they brought in with them.

Posted by: Dave1-20-09 at November 1, 2006 12:55 PM
Comment #192268

sassy -
“To much attention for allowing a pedophile republican to continue breaking the law, endangering youth.”

Not accurate. 1) Pedophiles target pre-pubescent youths. 2) No criminal charges have been filed on Foley yet. 3) Foley may not have even broken any law. 4) It is not even clear yet whether Foley broke any congressional rules. 5) Since there are no reported instances of Foley acting out his fantasies with youths, it is arguable that he endangered no one. 6) A few years ago a Democrat admitted to engaging in homosexual acts with a paige who was 1 year older than one of the paiges to whom Foley sent messages. He was allowed to continue his term in Congress. Facts are funny like that.

That being said, I’m glad he’s gone.

Posted by: Don at November 1, 2006 1:05 PM
Comment #192397

Jim T - Yep, $160 M vs $17 M

Very sad.

Christine


Posted by: Christine at November 1, 2006 5:30 PM
Comment #192512

We have no one to blame but ourselves. As long as these ads work, we’ll keep seeing ‘em.

Posted by: Trent at November 1, 2006 9:29 PM
Comment #192536

Politics is and has always been important and the Dims must have that something extra. Although they keep whinning about low voter turnout, it is a proven fact that dead people show up to vote for the dims. sometimes twice.

what a bunch of dumb asses. they might be deaf also. Kerry proved they are dumb.

Posted by: lm at November 1, 2006 10:20 PM
Comment #192623

To the dims all is fair in love and politics.

Remember wellstone? Ted Kennedy took him for a plane ride. Remember Chappaquiddick? Ted gave Mary Jo a ride home.

Remember Foley? Remember Stoddard? Funny he pulled a Wellstone just when the page scandal broke. Boy, Kerry better not take a ride home with Teddy, he might end up deady.

Remember when JFK got all those dead votes from Daley and Company to push him over the edge in Chicago.

I guess you can vote Republican when you are alive but when you die you are more likely to vote Dim.

Posted by: lm at November 2, 2006 8:23 AM
Comment #192677

Im-

All of this talk about your superiority over “dims”. I wonder if you are even able to correctly articulate a democratic position? I have seen zero evidence so far that you’d pass that test. As a matter of fact, I have yet to see you articulate anything without first setting up a strawman. And I’d love to see you prove any one of your claims of voter fraud by democrats…law enforcement could not, yet somehow you know better? So just who is “dimmer”?

I’m not even a democrat, I just find it insulting when someone who has provided zero insight on even their own party’s positions, keeps attacking people by calling them stupid.

I do not intend to feed a troll here (and I will not), but only to express the very frustration that will be the driving force behind the statement that will be made on Nov. 7th.

Posted by: Kevin23 at November 2, 2006 11:37 AM
Comment #192846

well kevin you have dated yourself. I am sorry you are so out of touch with reality but you need only mark all doors exit to affect the dim vote.

I see where the terrorist have put their nod in for the dims as they stated they can get the dims to cut and run like always. It only cost a couple of bombs and some CNN headline news reels.

Kevin you should get some anger management and vote GOP or get your guns ready for the coming attractions at a mall near you. You might want to sell your stocks and buy CD’s when Pulosi and company raise taxes and inflation takes off like a Dixie Chics concert in Maryland.

I lived throuh many years of the Democratic mind set and saw defeat dragged kicking and screaming from the jaws of victory. Looks like groundhog day. The dims are for free everything, higher minimum wage and taxes on everything. They want your guns and they want you in jail.

Now there might be some moderates who think different but these are not in power.

grab hold of your positions when it happens and see who can negotiate with terrorist.

Iran is now warming up to whack Isreal as they are certain that the dims will take control of both houses of congress and the iranians know they will not have the resolve to stop them.

film at eleven.

Posted by: lm at November 2, 2006 4:59 PM
Comment #192847

Kevin wrote,

I’m not even a democrat, I just find it insulting when someone who has provided zero insight on even their own party’s positions, keeps attacking people by calling them stupid.

I bet you are relly mad at John Kerry.

I would never insult you by asking what party you belong to, if you’re not a dim I would not want to insult you but if you are you will jump right in there and tell me how important minimum wage is worth, free medical, schooling, and food stamps. You could tell me how you are for the little man and how I should be able to have free drugs and how I am just a victim of my environment. How important it is to protect our wild life and habitat from big oil while you let china drill off our coast and take control of the panama canal. Not to mention the Bahama port.

I bet China can do a much better job of protecting our coast from oil related problems and environmental impact.

I know dim positions as Carter the great was their best spokesman, then clinton who gave us all the unabashed definitions on sex and what is is.

Nope I know most of your positions and they suck.

Posted by: lm at November 2, 2006 5:09 PM
Comment #192877

Kevin23, that is either your age or IQ.

Here is the Dims platform;

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State “income” taxes. We call it “paying your fair share”.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public “law” 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of “terrorists” and those who speak out or write against the “government” (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc…).

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver’s licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read “controlled or subsidized” rather than “owned”… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two “income” family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920’s, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public “law” 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call ‘public’ schools, but are actually “government force-tax-funded schools ” Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based “Education” . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like “majority rules”, and “pay your fair share”. WHERE are the words “fair share” in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is “fair share” even suggested !! The philosophical concept of “fair share” comes from the Communist maxim, “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. … America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC … Teaching ourselves and others how to “fish” to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be “needy”… Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.

Do changing words, change the end result? … By using different words, is it all of a sudden OK to ignore or violate the provisions or intent of the Constitution of the united States of America?????

The people (politicians) who believe in the SOCIALISTIC and COMMUNISTIC concepts, especially those who pass more and more laws implementing these slavery ideas, are traitors to their oath of office and to the Constitution of the united States of America… KNOW YOUR ENEMY …Remove the enemy from within and from among us.

In Clinton’s administration we had a census where total footage, bathrooms, and income were questions asked. In each statement from Clinton we heard a lot about redistribution of wealth. We heard him talk about a radical bill of rights from a radical bunch of guys for a radical society and we should not be so involved in protecting the rights of common citizens.

The catch phrase for the dims today is ” the common good.”

Social Security and other socialist minded programs were started by dims to keep the black man, poor man, and those seeking help to owe the government and keep them down. You will notice that you are not eligable for government benifits if you own property, or should I say are paying taxes to live on the government land, house, ect.

What party started Social Security?
What party gave away the panama canal?
what party gave away rocket technology and the means to build long range silkworm missiles to China.
which party gave China the GPS technology and the means to launch their own.
Which party set up north korea with a million man army and the Nuclear Bomb they are now testing.
which party bombed an Orthodox Christian nation’s infra structure, light plants, water systems, bus loads of civilians ect. in defence of the same terrorist we are now fighting in Iraq?

film at eleven:

Posted by: lm at November 2, 2006 6:16 PM
Comment #192878

lm-

I knew there were wackos around here, but …

can I have your picture for the dictionary I’m making?

Posted by: jrb at November 2, 2006 6:16 PM
Comment #192940

I can give you some pictures of your wife if you want.

Posted by: lm at November 2, 2006 8:44 PM
Comment #192996

lm,

Funny :^) Thanks for the laugh.

I still think you’re nuts.

Have a good day!

Posted by: jrb at November 3, 2006 1:42 AM
Comment #193054

have a good one. I am nuts.

Posted by: lm at November 3, 2006 10:25 AM
Comment #193120

Breaking news: 10,000 dead registered voters in the show me state. I bet they are dims. they must be absentee voters wanting some of that stem cell.

Posted by: lm at November 3, 2006 2:46 PM
Comment #193159

Im-

That’s the dem platform, huh? Did you get that from the Hugo Chavez’s website? Or did you read an entire book about socialism first? Look, I don’t think your as bad a guy as you want to appear. Buried in all that crap up above are a few nuggets of constructive critisism. But nothing resembling an ability or a genuine desire to really understand where liberalism in America is derived from. And that is what commands people’s respect.

Anyway, thanks for proving my point. I love being right.

Posted by: Kevin23 at November 3, 2006 5:11 PM
Comment #193230

I am glad you have been validated. I know how big a deal that is with dims.

Posted by: lm at November 3, 2006 10:48 PM
Comment #193233

Breaking News:

Democrats: ‘No comment’
on terrorists’ endorsement
DNC, Clinton, Pelosi, Kennedy decline
to discuss jihadists’ vote of confidence

this right off the press from www.worldnetdaily.com See for yourselves and then be proud to be the party of jihad.

now that is a self esteem builder!

Posted by: lm at November 3, 2006 11:00 PM
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